Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 14:22:42 +0300 From: Yuri Pankov <yuripv@yuripv.dev> To: Don Wilde <dwilde1@gmail.com>, Polytropon <freebsd@edvax.de> Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: URGENT: Microsoft overwrites boot loader! Message-ID: <49db33f8-3d2d-d8e4-80e8-8226d5a8b717@yuripv.dev> In-Reply-To: <8158aa31-493c-d316-9dbe-fcf35f569baf@gmail.com> References: <140a6398-f8ad-ecd6-2a6f-5ca28f570a64@gmail.com> <20200717085305.ffd5191c.freebsd@edvax.de> <8158aa31-493c-d316-9dbe-fcf35f569baf@gmail.com>
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Don Wilde wrote: > > On 7/16/20 11:53 PM, Polytropon wrote: >> On Thu, 16 Jul 2020 13:19:51 -0700, Don Wilde wrote: >>> The [deleted] ones in Redmond have done it again. My multi-OS GRUB2 boot >>> loader is gone, and in its place is a 500M partition called 'Windows >>> boot loader'. >> They do this all the time. The consensus here is to install >> "Windows" first, always, restricted to the designated disk >> space, and _then_ install Linux, FreeBSD, GRUB, or anything >> else non-"Windows", in order to avoid the exact problem you >> are describing. Even older versions of "Windows" were known >> to destroy things like the FreeBSD boot manager when they >> are installed as a 2nd choice. MICROS~1 always wants you to >> treat it first class, with golden feet and glockenspiel. >> >> However, is my interpretation correct? Did this happen when >> you _installed_ "Windows" on that machine for the first time, >> or did it happen after you _booted_ an already installed >> instance of "Windows", which then did attack "foreign data" >> on the disk? > This machine still maintains the original Windows installation, first > with W7, and then (finally, bad mistake) upgraded to W10. >>> The purpose is to force us to look at MS' new version of Edge. All my >>> old boot files are gone. >> Something like that should never happen. It's absolutely >> normal that "Windows" installs software without user consent, >> and then presents it prominently in user-configured areas >> such as the desktop, the "Start" menu, or the bottom bar >> (pun absolutely intended), but it should never exceed its >> authority beyong the border of the "Windows" partition, >> which clearly means: "Hands off of Grub partition!" > > Yes. The bastards also screwed up my 128GB backup drive -- again without > asking -- when I left it plugged in during a Doze boot. Y'all must have the special edition of Win10 handed as a punishment to those who likes to hijack questions@ (and now stable@) with "the grass was greener" threads :-) I have never seen it do anything with removable media I have attached, be it FreeBSD, illumos installation usb sticks or hard drives, or simply some data disks. >> >> Especially with "Windows 10", the PC is no longer a PC, >> not a _personal_ computer belonging to the user; it's rather >> a system remotely controlled by MICROS~1, and having installed >> "Windows" and therefore agreed to the terms of usage (EULA), >> there is probably nothing "wrong" with it, because you have >> agreed that they can do whatever they want, and if something >> goes wrong, it's your fault. Legal business as usual. > Yes, agreed. They far outstrip the robber barons of the 1800s in their > greed. Even Carnegie finally discovered a heart beating inside of > himself, and gave us libraries and Napoleon Hill! >> >> Many years (or let's say, decades) I had a similar problem >> with an OS/2 installation: It messed up the system's partition >> table, a system where DOS (not that DOS, the other one) was >> installed, and there was a data loss: Partition D: became C:, >> E: became D:, F: became E:, and C: along with its content >> seemed to be gone. But in the overall "disk space calculation" >> it must still have been on disk, so I used the Norton Disk Editor >> (DISKEDIT.EXE from Norton Utilities, a great product at that >> time!), a handheld calculator and pen & paper to re-calculate >> the correct values for the partition table, entered them, >> rebooted, prayed unto the holy bringer of peace, Alpha-Omega, >> and tadaa, C: was there again, with the correct content. > > I never had that wonderful luxury of being saddled with a "real" IBM > machine or OS/2. One would note that they, too (along with MS, > eventually), are being relegated to the dustbin of history where they > belong. > > [snip] > >>> That's the last time I will allow this, and I'm calling those [deleted]s >>> tomorrow to give them a piece of my mind. After that I will erase every >>> vestige of that obscene OS from my disk. >> They don't mind. They already have your money. And maybe they >> even have your name, address, phone number, credit card number >> or other banking information... > I have a few last resort technologies they *don't* know about, though > they are not worth any more of my time or psychic energy. :D >
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