Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2014 15:28:30 +0300 From: Daniel Braniss <danny@cs.huji.ac.il> To: Daniel Kalchev <daniel@digsys.bg>, Michelle Sullivan <michelle@sorbs.net> Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [HEADSUP] pkg(8) is now the only package management tool Message-ID: <C4EC1A3A-6EB1-4EE1-ACEA-12C8E203991C@cs.huji.ac.il> In-Reply-To: <5406F00C.6090504@digsys.bg> References: <20140901195520.GB77917@ivaldir.etoilebsd.net> <54050D07.4010404@sorbs.net> <CAOFF%2BZ1MOr9-rYbwHYWqBKjMvRPwUnew4jThEoJ_WkoTmwyNsQ@mail.gmail.com> <540522A3.9050506@sorbs.net> <54052891.5000104@my.hennepintech.edu> <54052DFA.4030808@freebsd.org> <54053372.6020009@my.hennepintech.edu> <5405890F.8080804@freebsd.org> <CAF-3MvNBWSEWF-HarwF0xcXQgo=7-dO%2BtvLMO1maELPY0RVhQQ@mail.gmail.com> <20140902125256.Horde.uv31ztwymThxUZ-OYPQoBw1@webmail.df.eu> <5405AE54.60809@sorbs.net> <1D2B4A91-E76C-43A0-BE75-D926357EF1AF@gmail.com> <5405E4F5.4090902@sorbs.net> <5406BD65.705@digsys.bg> <5406ED34.7090301@sorbs.net> <5406F00C.6090504@digsys.bg>
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On Sep 3, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Daniel Kalchev <daniel@digsys.bg> wrote: >=20 > On 03.09.14 13:28, Michelle Sullivan wrote: >>=20 >>> We will have to live with it. WhateverHat is not better. >> I can't comment on that - the entire org runs *Hat, I've spent the = last >> 3 years showing the benefits of *BSD and now I feel completely = betrayed >> because there is no chance of them changing, "You see it's not an >> Enterprise OS"... >=20 > FreeBSD is a toolkit, not a "product" (ok, it's a product if you look = for toolkit). It is an very good toolkit to build UNIX-like systems and = many enterprises use it. Some do wonders with it, some, disasters. As = with any good toolkit, there is an entire ecosystem for support built = around it. FreeBSD also works out of the box but we are clearly not = discussing this here. >=20 > I understand your effort and frustration -- everyone who has dealt = with BSD UNIX has come to face it -- the media was instructed to = praise/blame Linux (out of topic why) and the mainstream "me too" crowd = is embracing it easier.. When most of the people who come to interviews = answer "I know Windows or Linux" your management does not have much = choice. > Back in their days of glory, Cisco had very interesting marketing = strategy: "Never compete with anyone head to head -- the other party can = always optimize for the bench case. Instead, work with the user to build = and list of their requirements... and at the end see your product is the = only one that matches". Helps :) hi all, sorry to barge in :-), but since I have been trying to upgrade my = /usr/local now for a few days,=20 and counting, I tend to understand Michelle=92s frustration, I also = understand that managing a ports distribution is not for the weak hearted.=20 Here is my story: before I updated the ports via portsnap, I made sure the tree was clean, = i.e., ran=20 pkg check -Ba and portmaster -dvga and all was ok. upgraded ports, ran portmaster ports-mgmt/pkg, and now, since that day I am running portmaster -dvga and hand fixing issues. all this in a non production environment - learned from past = experiences. btw, we have several hundred computers, most of them desktops running = Linux, but all the servers run FreeBSD. Basically, I dread the day I run portsnap fetch update don=92t get me wrong, I am all in favour of progress, iI really hate to = see lines like #ifdef EUNICE my 2cents danny
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