From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 25 14:49:53 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA34216A4F1 for ; Mon, 25 Apr 2005 14:49:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pooker.samsco.org (pooker.samsco.org [168.103.85.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AFC143D46 for ; Mon, 25 Apr 2005 14:49:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from scottl@samsco.org) Received: from [192.168.254.11] (junior-wifi.samsco.home [192.168.254.11]) (authenticated bits=0) by pooker.samsco.org (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j3PEsY2A004227; Mon, 25 Apr 2005 08:54:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from scottl@samsco.org) Message-ID: <426D02C0.1030708@samsco.org> Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 08:46:24 -0600 From: Scott Long User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20050218 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kirill Ponomarew References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050424204611.072105a0@64.7.153.2> <20050425010242.GA44110@xor.obsecurity.org> <6.2.1.2.0.20050424210422.03d22990@64.7.153.2> <20050425014453.GA59981@xor.obsecurity.org> <426C6B1D.3040704@elischer.org> <20050425061459.GA33247@xor.obsecurity.org> <20050425062106.GB91852@voodoo.oberon.net> <426CF3DE.4000409@samsco.org> <20050425160146.4795fe1b.flynn@energyhq.es.eu.org> <426CF91A.8060907@samsco.org> <20050425144259.GL91852@voodoo.oberon.net> In-Reply-To: <20050425144259.GL91852@voodoo.oberon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.8 required=3.8 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=failed version=3.0.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on pooker.samsco.org cc: current@freebsd.org cc: mike@sentex.net cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org cc: julian@elischer.org cc: kris@obsecurity.org Subject: Re: GCC 4.0 [Re: FreeBSD 6 is coming too fast] X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 14:49:54 -0000 Kirill Ponomarew wrote: > On Mon, Apr 25, 2005 at 08:05:14AM -0600, Scott Long wrote: > >>Well, I'd caution against jumping into GCC 4.0 just because of the >>claims of 25% speed improvement. That's about the single worst reason >>to do it. But if you're interested in moving the technology forward, >>I'd happily encourage you. The changed language constructs are the big >>problem (extern struct foo bar[]; is no longer valid) since you not only >>need to sweep the FreeBSD tree for them, you also need to sweep the >>ports tree. I have mixed feeling on the value of GCC making sloppy >>language extentions available for years and then suddenly revoking them, >>and I know others that have been affected by 4.0 aren't terribly happy >>either. > > > Well. if we're going to import it, it should be tested on pointyhat > first. IIRC Kris already run tests for some pre 4.0 versions. > > -Kirill Yes, that is a step, one of many, in porting a new compiler. So, if people want it done, there needs to be less hand-waving and more typing. Scott