From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 4 22:02:23 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A31631065674 for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2012 22:02:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pfg@freebsd.org) Received: from nm28-vm1.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm28-vm1.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.235]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 734EC8FC1D for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2012 22:02:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.139.91.64] by nm28.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jul 2012 22:02:23 -0000 Received: from [72.30.22.202] by tm4.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jul 2012 22:02:23 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1064.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jul 2012 22:02:23 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-5 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 425407.21598.bm@omp1064.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 61744 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Jul 2012 22:02:23 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1341439343; bh=XxlaZ9hKX2+ulaUpmzdfrrtfzzKqpHp+RE77SNMfzAk=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-RocketYMMF:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=w2jKBWqSO2DkmtVCILtz4ETJAn45nT/cbv6Iopk1b0RhTFL4Fm+laF3zCTFg4SmEFfyCYcutXJ1ENui8hDiS0Q/fFlHU5zIJBw5eBSlKGmGzndYM6z/vxnZtB0Fwph1Ba2D3DhGZZXqBemaTRqGrtfo63fVF2n7gh+HlYOAGdr8= X-YMail-OSG: S3XOaAkVM1loBiAijK8Q5ARQj8SdaYMNZR0d2OY4p3ws02I cwLL5_U16PAgBSP2SW2ezEblHq4G75CPNb3EDnLCOemWsnAI.lewgn6z8p2W BV2M353xZ9arkjzCjH4NJAHiaJ1gBFZ2ElqV0XzFbTmrendsY0HJxc.6kfyi 9htidrrBiZa0d7KO7llUS3UwcBRm.IG48QeX16Zq0OwXRkAY5Mr8MZpNZw9N a_VHzsy3XE2Is9ATtlGJb1t1C8usCl3XKhT3YiK72lRF7hn6h07pM5wGtXcC M4EpthpPDh90isen70AhTQv40S65FouFiMlaoj8Uq4qgfEdlBuYlghhjMysB A_7Lidq42EOXlqjzVd8PGTyQr7fAI94UMSEnad4L3l0iYYlboZQ1QHhcgVZG zcmLVjufJCKzK6rn5I.TgZekU7ri8RX8vTmgLc3cRRNAiL98I6_H9XpgDt1y sf55U Received: from [200.118.157.7] by web113503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 04 Jul 2012 15:02:22 PDT X-RocketYMMF: giffunip X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.8 YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 Message-ID: <1341439342.60791.YahooMailClassic@web113503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2012 15:02:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Pedro Giffuni To: Baptiste Daroussin , Doug Barton In-Reply-To: <4FF4B427.1010808@FreeBSD.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Sayetsky Anton , FreeBSD Current , " O.Hartmann" Subject: Re: Why NOT using FreeBSD? Re: ports/169581: editors/libreoffice: X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pfg@freebsd.org List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2012 22:02:23 -0000 Just IMHO;=0A=0A--- Mer 4/7/12, Doug Barton ha scritto:= =0A...=0A> >>=0A> >> This is not what I expect from quality securing! It=0A= > >> is simply a mess and definitely another reason=0A> >> and point for th= e thread "Why NOT using FreeBSD".=0A> >=0A> > sure libreoffice is so easy t= o port...=0A> > =0A> > /me officially gives up with that libreoffice port,= =0A> > open for new volunteers =0A> =0A> If you don't have time to work on = the port, then don't,=0A> that's not a problem. But throwing a hissy fit he= re=0A> doesn't help at all.=0A=0AEven on paid jobs, people always have the = right to quit.=0A=0AThe thing, as I see it, is that people have to understa= nd=0Athis is a volunteer project and if people don't do things=0Aby themsel= ves they really can't demand someone else to=0Ado it for them.=0A=0A=0A> It= 's a plain fact that a working office suite is a basic=0A> requirement for = most desktop users. If _we_ can't provide=0A> that (note, not you, personal= ly, we, as a=0A> project), it's a valid reason for users to avoid FreeBSD f= or=0A> desktop use.=0A> =0A=0AThe system is as strong as it's weakest link.= There=0Aare perfectly good office suites for FreeBSD and even=0Athen for s= ome of us that is not enough to use FreeBSD=0A(or linux) as a desktop.=0A= =0A> If we're ever going to make progress in this area we=0A> have to be wi= lling to examine and absorb facts; and=0A> then act accordingly.=0A>=0A=0AI= f people think a particular office suite is critical=0Athen *they* have to = spend time on it. If no one has=0Athe time or skills then maybe it's not th= at important=0Aat all.=0A=0A=0APedro.