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Date:      Mon, 26 Nov 2018 13:43:30 -0600
From:      Karl Denninger <karl@denninger.net>
To:        freebsd-arm@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: Raspberry PI 2B/3 and USB audio
Message-ID:  <1418f261-9f56-7931-d23f-85059fdda077@denninger.net>
In-Reply-To: <87lg5fhcgz.wl-herbert@gojira.at>
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This one works fine on my Pi2.... (and it was dirt cheap too)

uaudio0 on uhub1
uaudio0: <C-Media Electronics Inc. USB Audio Device, class 0/0, rev
1.10/1.00, addr 6> on usbus0
uaudio0: Play: 48000 Hz, 2 ch, 16-bit S-LE PCM format, 2x8ms buffer.
uaudio0: Play: 44100 Hz, 2 ch, 16-bit S-LE PCM format, 2x8ms buffer.
uaudio0: Record: 48000 Hz, 1 ch, 16-bit S-LE PCM format, 2x8ms buffer.
uaudio0: Record: 44100 Hz, 1 ch, 16-bit S-LE PCM format, 2x8ms buffer.
uaudio0: No MIDI sequencer.
pcm1: <USB audio> on uaudio0
uaudio0: HID volume keys found.

It was a no-name, and is a "full speed"....

ugen0.6: <C-Media Electronics Inc. USB Audio Device> at usbus0, cfg=3D0
md=3DHOST spd=3DFULL (12Mbps) pwr=3DON (100mA)

FreeBSD 11.0-STABLE #1 r313159M: Wed Feb 15 13:36:01 CST 2017=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0
freebsd@NewFS.denninger.net:/pics/Crochet-work/obj/arm.armv6/pics/CrossBu=
ild/src/sys/RPI2

Older kernel and OS, but working fine.=C2=A0 I use it to play synthesized=

voice and MP3s.


On 11/26/2018 13:21, Herbert J. Skuhra wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Nov 2018 20:46:13 +0100, "Herbert J. Skuhra" wrote:
>> On Sun, 11 Nov 2018 13:52:14 +0100, Hans Petter Selasky wrote:
>>> On 11/10/18 12:24 PM, Herbert J. Skuhra wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> if you use an USB sound card on your Raspberry PI 2B/3, can you plea=
se
>>>> answer the following questions:
>>>>
>>>> - which USB sound card?
>>>> - do you have bad audio on current or stable/12 after r339388?
>>>>
>>>> My "Creative Technology Ltd Sound Blaster Play 2" device sounds very=

>>>> bad. Meanwhile more changes were commited but they don't fix audio
>>>> completly.
>>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Some background:
>>>
>>> The USB controller in Raspberry PI is running HIGH-speed USB. Many US=
B
>>> audio device are FULL-speed USB. In order for a FULL-speed USB device=

>>> to work in a HIGH-speed USB environment all data transfers need to go=

>>> through a so-called transaction translator. This transaction
>>> translator operate on chunks of data, 171 bytes maximum. That means i=
f
>>> a USB audio stream generates 1000 packets per second, then suddenly a=

>>> bunch of smaller packets will be needed. This puts some stress on the=

>>> DWC OTG driver and there might be some room for improvement in this
>>> area too, but the basic sympthom is that the DWC OTG driver in FreeBS=
D
>>> is not always able to keep up with the timing required for these
>>> so-called split transactions. One idea is to move all DWC OTG IRQ
>>> handling away from CPU-0. I'm not sure if cpuset supports this yet on=

>>> armv7 // arm64. Might have to be done in the driver.
>>>
>>> Further some audio device use non-adaptive clocks, which means the
>>> recording channel must be active along with the playback channel else=

>>> jitter will occur.
>>>
>>> The recommendation for RPI is a HIGH-speed USB audio device (should b=
e
>>> clearly marked in the specification). Using a HIGH-speed USB audio
>>> device will reduce the number of interrupts significantly.
>> Well, the sound card worked perfectly fine so far... both on FreeBSD
>> and Arch Linux ARM... no luck with NetBSD. Never mind! I am obviously
>> the only user affected by this "fix" (r339388).
> Unfortunally I've purchased another full-speed usb audio device:
>
> uaudio0 on uhub1
> uaudio0: <Creative Technology Ltd Sound Blaster Play 3, class 0/0, rev =
2.00/1.06, addr 4> on usbus0
> uaudio0: Play: 96000 Hz, 2 ch, 24-bit S-LE PCM format, 2x8ms buffer.
> uaudio0: Play: 88200 Hz, 2 ch, 24-bit S-LE PCM format, 2x8ms buffer.
> uaudio0: Play: 48000 Hz, 2 ch, 24-bit S-LE PCM format, 2x8ms buffer.
> uaudio0: Play: 44100 Hz, 2 ch, 24-bit S-LE PCM format, 2x8ms buffer.
> uaudio0: Record: 48000 Hz, 2 ch, 24-bit S-LE PCM format, 2x8ms buffer.
> uaudio0: Record: 44100 Hz, 2 ch, 24-bit S-LE PCM format, 2x8ms buffer.
> uaudio0: No MIDI sequencer.
> pcm0: <USB audio> on uaudio0
> uaudio0: HID volume keys found.
>
> While it works fine under Linux (pulse), MacOS and Windows, it
> produces only bad noise under FreeBSD (Raspberry PI3B)! :-(
>
> How can I get it working? Can anyone recommend an USB audio device for
> FreeBSD? Should DACs from Pro-Ject work?
>
> Thanks.
>
> --
> Herbert
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