Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 23:21:57 -0800 From: Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> To: The Babbler <bts@babbleon.org> Cc: freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org Subject: Re: vm Message-ID: <E14h4qb-000Cd2-00@rip.psg.com> References: <E14gZx7-0005RV-00@roam.psg.com> <200103240357.f2O3v0c27492@ptavv.es.net> <E14gswf-000Pz7-00@rip.psg.com> <3ABD9782.21A8BED1@babbleon.org>
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o from vmware's web page, it appears that one may be able to use the original windoze install partition if one buys the workstation version o i kinda understand virtual machines in general, as they have not changed much since i started using them in the late '60s when ibm invented them </sarcasm> (the manchester atlas machines actually predated ibm's braggadocio by a number of years, but i did not use them). but i have a suspicious nature, and we're talkin' windoze here. so excuse me if i am not confident that winfax pro is gonna get to a laptop winmodem through vmware under freebsd. if i does, i will be impressed as well as thankful. o i would REALLY like to - start with a brand new windoze laptop - squeeze or move the windoze partition, without damaging it (i have pqm) - install freebsd -stable - install vmware - run windoze as the secondary os under vmware o the list name seems to be freebsd-emulation, not freebsd-emulators. but thanks for the pointer. randy >>> http://www.freebsdzine.org/200102/vmware2.php3 >> >> thanks! so i buy a new windoze laptop and want to install while saving all >> the pre-installed windoze cruft. >> - do i want to run freebsd inside windows or vice versa? i hear that >> the former gives one a slightly ill freebsd (clock lag etc) > > Yout want to run your secondary O/S inside your primary O/S. However > fast vmware may be _for_an_emulator_, it's never going to work as well > as booting native. > > Then again, I don't believe that Win 98/Me can host vmware, only Win > NT/2000. You should double-check against the the vmware web site and > your laptop, but you may not have the option anyway. > > So figure out what you *can* run and what environment you want to be in > most of the time. All else being equal, Linux is surely the best host. > It's a Unix system (better suited to the task) which is directly > supported by the company. If you really treat all O/Ss equally you'd > probably be best to run Linux and run *both* as guests. > >> - do i buy vmware express or workstation? note that >> <http://www.vmware.com/products/desktop/exp_faqs.html>; says that only >> workstation has freebsd, but i suspect that is within a vm > > express means that you get vmware + one guest as a package. You can't, > as I understand it, install any other guest if you get express. This is > all based on the doc, though; I've had vmware since long before vmware > express existed. > >> - do the normal freebsd partmagic hacks work > > Clarify the query? Once you are running vmware, it provides a virtual > machine with its own disk, which can be mapped to a physical disk or > not. > >> - or do i backup/restore the windows universe >> - or do i not care about the dell-specific drivers etc > > No, no, no. It's an *application* that runs on (say) FreeBSD the > provides a *virtual* i386 PC clone. Once it's up, you install an O/S on > it by putting in the install disk and installing just as if you were on > a real machine. When it comes up, you get BIO messages inside the > vmware window just like you were talking to a computer--but you're not > talking to a computer at all. You aren't talking to *your* BIOS, you > are talking to the VMware BIOS, and it isn't running on your physical > devices at all, it's running the VMware virtual devices, which could be > coincidentally similar to your physical devices for very dissimilar. > You might have SCSI drivees, but your virtual machine machine have IDE > drives. You might have a 3com ethernet card but your virtual machine > might have a Family Ethernet card. All the devices are fixed--installed > in the virtual machine by VMware and they have nothing to do with your > real devices installed in your physical machine by Dell. > > So you'd install Windows like normal and then you could do a restore > from Windows backup media. You can also get it to use your existing > Windows partition as part of its virtual disk system. This is awkware > under FreeBSD, but works nicely once it's set up. > > >> >> and lastly, what is the more appropriate freebsd mailing list where i should >> be asking all this? > > freebsd-emulators To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-emulation" in the body of the message
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