From owner-freebsd-current Mon Nov 25 16:52:16 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A5C637B401 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 16:52:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from eos.telenet-ops.be (eos.telenet-ops.be [195.130.132.40]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38E7743E88 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 16:52:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from philip@paeps.cx) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by eos.telenet-ops.be (Postfix) with SMTP id 0FF0220664 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 01:52:02 +0100 (CET) Received: from fortuna.home.paeps.cx (D5768746.kabel.telenet.be [213.118.135.70]) by eos.telenet-ops.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBA9520606 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 01:52:01 +0100 (CET) Received: from juno.home.paeps.cx (juno [10.0.0.2]) by fortuna.home.paeps.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7D58802 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 01:52:01 +0100 (CET) Received: by juno.home.paeps.cx (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 6D5A5B5; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 01:51:58 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 01:51:55 +0100 From: Philip Paeps To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I'm impressed, but ... Message-ID: <20021126005155.GA648@juno.home.paeps.cx> Mail-Followup-To: current@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20021125004934.GA604@juno.home.paeps.cx> <20021125194122.GA17986@angelica.unixdaemons.com> <20021125202755.GA633@juno.home.paeps.cx> <3DE2A4FB.8E51F525@mindspring.com> <20021125233109.GA615@juno.home.paeps.cx> <3DE2B9B4.ABC49BB2@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3DE2B9B4.ABC49BB2@mindspring.com> X-PGP-Fingerprint: FA74 3C27 91A6 79D5 F6D3 FC53 BF4B D0E6 049D B879 X-Message-Flag: Get yourself a real mail client. Try Mutt: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 2002-11-25 16:00:52 (-0800), Terry Lambert wrote: > Philip Paeps wrote: > > > The "maildirs issue", I won't comment on, at this time. > > > > I hope I can provide enough information for someone to solve it though :-) > > It would be nice to be able to read my mail 'reliably' :-) > > The problem is not the amount, but the type of information. > > You need to characterize the problem well enough that you can write a little > program that can repeat it on someone else's machine, without them having to > create an installation identical to yours on a scratch box ...particularly > when it looks like if they tried that, it would work for them. That sounds like the first law of debugging to me :-) > Right now, there are other people using the same software that can't repeat > the problem. > > Without knowing whether or not you are both/neither/or-or-the-other using > NFS, etc., it's really impossible to even point you in the right direction > (NFS is my hunch, in this case; it's a common reason for use of "maildirs", > to try and side-step locking issues). I was also starting to think in the NFS direction. It's one of the reasons I use Maildirs. My setup is a bit convoluted too. This machine (the one now running -current and hanging) plays NFS server. The mailserver mounts the maildir and writes mail into it. Now, the 'hangs' appear to be somewhat random, I can open a few mailfolders without issues, then suddenly I get a hang if I try another one. Also, I notice that when I send a mail when I'm in a folder which is set up to save mails in itself (what a ridiculous sentence), they don't get saved until a while later. I'm going to fiddle a bit with my setup and see if I can reliably reproduce hangs. 'Random' is very difficult to debug, I know :-/ > You probably need to get together with the other person who said they were > *not* having a problem, and do a detailed compare on system configuration, > if all other things are equal. So who is this mysterious other person? :-) I'll get back with some more concrete information as soon as I have some. It's an intriguing challenge. - Philip -- Philip Paeps Please don't CC me, I am philip@paeps.cx subscribed to the list. BOFH Excuse #2: solar flares To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message