From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Feb 4 11:11:14 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A558C37B401 for ; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 11:11:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from papagena.rockefeller.edu (papagena.rockefeller.edu [129.85.41.71]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D423F43E4A for ; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 11:11:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rsidd@papagena.rockefeller.edu) Received: (from rsidd@localhost) by papagena.rockefeller.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h14Ipx504913; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 13:51:59 -0500 Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 13:51:58 -0500 From: Rahul Siddharthan To: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Project status Message-ID: <20030204135158.D4487@papagena.rockefeller.edu> Mail-Followup-To: Dag-Erling Smorgrav , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: X-Operating-System: Linux 2.4.9-12smp i686 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > Since you're asking, I'll try to briefly describe some of the new > subsystems we're working on in -CURRENT (for appropriate values of > "we") Very interesting and useful, but I had something a bit more detailed in mind. Something like that could have been released with 5.0 and should probably be released with 5.1 (or whatever the first "general users" release is), to excite wider interest. Maybe this should really go on -advocacy and/or -doc. DEVFS -- I agree it's very elegant and useful. No argument there. > - devd is a daemon that uses features of DEVFS to detect the creation > or destruction of devices and apply various operations to these > devices (e.g. automatically run dhclient when you insert a NIC into > a pccard slot). I believe it's mostly there to replace pccardd, > which NEWCARD obsoleted. Actually NEWCARD hasn't (yet?) obsoleted much, only added support for new stuff. My hardware, and a lot of other existing hardware I believe, works only with OLDCARD. I don't know whether devd would work with oldcard -- I use pccardd still. GEOM - I like your description, but probably some unix-knowledgeable newcomers would like something more detailed. It sounds elegant. It hasn't been non-controversial (PHK alludes to the opposition in his "GEOM is being merged" mail, and at least one senior developer has made it known he isn't happy with it). As you suggest, maybe some of PHK's papers can be linked from the main pages (I didn't find much on google, 'Poul-Henning Kamp GEOM Paper' yields only 12 hits and the eurobsdcon link is broken). KSE - since it's a work in progress, and right now (I believe) of limited interest to end-users, I guess the level of detail you supply is fair enough. > Any more subsystems you're curious about? Since you ask, I was planning to learn about the PAM thing (I guess you're the right guy)... I never learned what its benefits are, and maybe I got biased by a broken linux machine which would let me log in without a password. The other major 5.0 feature I noticed was ACPI. Apparently a work in progress, so maybe not good to make loud noises about it. Any good documents on that, other than the manpages? I had problems with suspend (or rather, standby), so I switched back to APM but I'm willing to experiment. - Rahul To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message