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Date:      Fri, 26 Jul 2002 22:18:29 -0400
From:      Miroslav Pendev <shadow@CPE0004761ac738-CM00109515bc65.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com>
To:        Peter Leftwich <Hostmaster@Video2Video.Com>
Cc:        questions@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: Peter heads back to M$FT WinBloze
Message-ID:  <20020727021829.GA465@CPE0004761ac738-CM00109515bc65.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com>
In-Reply-To: <20020726195011.N18019-100000@earl-grey.cloud9.net>
References:  <20020726195011.N18019-100000@earl-grey.cloud9.net>

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On Fri, Jul 26, 2002 at 08:06:27PM -0400, Peter Leftwich wrote:
> Dear List, I've been reading some compelling posts lately about people
> giving up on FreeBSD, and may soon -- sadly -- join their ranks!

Hi Peter!

What OS you like is your matter. I just don't care! If you want to learn
and move from 'click next... click next... click finish' bullshits you 
must keep trying and reading and asking... questions instead of complaining!

Let me tell you something... My wife started using FreeBSD [because of me]
just few months ago - may be year... Now she is WORKING on the FreeBSD
the hole day and I can't get her to boot into Win2K... for nothing.
She is able te recompile the hole X and KDE 3 with support for god know what
and she is asking me questions that I do not have an idea what the heck is
answer...!

Otherwise, she is doing computer anymation - 3D Studio MAX, Maya, Adobe 
Premiere ... blah blah... for Win.

Now she loves UNIX because you are FREE to do whatever you wish with the OS.
So, how the FreeBSD works for you depends on HOW you want it to work!!!


About the multimedia support - I am helping on one friend of mine to
privide remote videomonitoring - NetCams are uploading  into FreeBSD ftp server
and with transcode and shell scripts we are doing .avi files every 
10 minutes in DivX compresion!!! for Win- users! We have tens of cams and
the somputer is on the floor of my dressroom ;-))) and it works without reboot
from months...there is no way to see this with Windows - the computer was
locking every two hours in Win2000.

You can look at BMRT tools for rendering - The movie THE MATRIX is rendered
on what you thing !!!! FreeBSD!!!!

You had some problems with partitions - that's OK why don't you read first
some info about this, then ask somebody, make some test with old HDD and then
go with your REAL system... it is not hard...

About the programs for .DOC, .PDF and etc... FreeBSD have nothing to do
with these!!! Please, make sure you are making the difference between OS
and 'user land' applications. Ask Adobe why they do not provide AcroReader
for FreeBSD, although the one under Linux comp. works OK. Ask M$ why there
is no M$ DOC reader - but do not ask nobody here... Why dont you write one
multimedia player! Go grab some books and 'voila...'

XP! Instead of bying 'Step By Step with XP' why don't you read FreeBSD
handbook, first, or go byu Greg's 'The Complete FreeBSD....' anyways...

I did notice something VERY intresting about XP 'user protected memory'.
If one of the other users is not logged out and you log in in the same PC
you can access other's user network shares in the LAN just as he can! 
That's about Windows XP, Notworking... and multi user logons.

I personly will pray for FreeBSD to never become 'a GUI'. I would like it
to stay Operating system, instead!

I don't thing the 'GUI DOS' - WinDOS is a OS at all - it is a game station.


Well, boy... go grab some nice books, or read few web pages and docs about
unix... I am sure you will become guru if you only wish so...
To say 'I can''t' is always easy.

Sory, I didn't mean to write 'a book' about your letter - but... ;-))))

That is just my opinion... FreeBSD team have nothing to do with it.

Good luck with your choice...

--Miro

> 
> (There was the guy who posted about FreeBSD being great for servers
> (surely) but falling short in the desktop/workstation/laptop AND
> ease-of-use category.  Now there's the thread about Dan wanting his xp
> back.  I can relate!)
> 
> I gave up on Win98 SR1 (1 38gb partition on a 40gb HD) back in Feb 2002
> when I installed a Firewire card and Windows got super flakey on me.
> Didn't like me for that move.  I'd often abuse IE (browser) for hours until
> it brought the stupid 16bit DOS-based OS down with it.  Well, after
> deciding "that's it" and some PartitionMagic four-ways, I blew the dust off
> my FreeBSD 4.3 CDROMs and installed them by the seat of my pants, but could
> never get XFree86 3.3.6 working - blank screen!
> 
> Well at some point recently I ran `boot0cfg /dev/ad0s2` which wiped my MBR
> completely (I just wanted to boot straight into FreeBSD but still keep the
> DOS slice around as mountable).  So now I'm on an old 8.4gb HD that I
> booted to absolutely $FREE$ :) floppies and put 4.6 onto, however, XFree86
> 4.2.0 now suddenly works as does KDE and a very "krashy" Konqueror browser (sigh).
> 
> Realizing that plugins are impossible (Flash), and the hassle of getting
> sound players working and my Canon scanner and webcam and PDF readers and
> *.DOC readers, I think I may be out of the FreeBSD workstation game.
> 
> Finally going from UNIX user (since 1992) to sysadmin was a terrific
> learning experience, but a "learning XP" seems more attractive for now
> especially as XP is built on (sort of) NT and is 32bit and uses protected
> memory ... until FreeBSD is 34,523,455% more of an OUT-OF-THE-BOX-GUI OS. :(
> 
> Comments?  Admonitions?  Saving graces?
> 
> --
> Peter Leftwich
> President & Founder
> Video2Video Services
> Box 13692, La Jolla, CA, 92039 USA
> +1-413-403-9555
> 
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