Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 08:11:21 -0500 From: John Baldwin <jhb@freebsd.org> To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Cc: Takeo Hashimoto <takeo@ss.jip.co.jp> Subject: Re: advocacy/89731: TOO MANY SPAMs on jp.freebsd.org's mailing list Message-ID: <200511300811.22458.jhb@freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <051130150754.M0701416@emifuku.ss.jip.co.jp> References: <051130150754.M0701416@emifuku.ss.jip.co.jp>
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On Wednesday 30 November 2005 01:07 am, Takeo Hashimoto wrote: > Currently every subscriber has to spend their time > wading through the spam to pick up the ones which are not spam. > (Of course it is dissipation of resources.) Yes, I use spamassassin personally. Also, I should note that FreeBSD.org's= =20 mail server employs some aggressive spam filtering which stops a lot of it= =20 from showing up on FreeBSD lists. Perhaps the jp folks could setup some sp= am=20 filtering on their mail server as well to cut down on the load. Note that= =20 only a couple of FreeBSD.org lists are restrict_post, most are open. > > This means that someone new to FreeBSD > > will likely have their questions lost because the e-mail will never > > make it to the list (e.g. freebsd-questions) and would make it that > > much harder for new people to get help getting started with FreeBSD. > > It is not difficult to subscribe ML > even if they are new to FreeBSD. I think you overestimate the skill of some newbies. The other problem is t= hat=20 some ML, like questions@, get a large number of e-mails a day. I'm not sur= e=20 it's fair to require a user to wade through a hundred or more non-spams jus= t=20 so they can ask a question. > > Adding restrict_post actually is a lot of work on the admins since > > someone has to handle all the bounced e-mails. > > I think we can simply ignore them (>/dev/null). > > If you have better idea to stop deliver spam, > please let me know. Most of the FreeBSD developers when we have had discussions on spam recentl= y=20 have concluded that the spam problem is so large and extent, that the only= =20 real solution is for the receiver to block spam. For example, since you've= =20 submitted a PR, you'll probably now get just as much spam from that and thi= s=20 e-mail exchange as you would by being on a jp list. The actual advocacy@=20 list might not get as much spam sent to it, but your personal e-mail addres= s=20 will be flooded, so you're going to need to setup some filtering on your=20 receiving end no matter what. You can see more responses about that if you= =20 look at the recent thread on cvs-all about the commit to query-pr.cgi to=20 sort-of hide e-mail addresses. =2D-=20 John Baldwin <jhb@FreeBSD.org> =A0<>< =A0http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ "Power Users Use the Power to Serve" =A0=3D =A0http://www.FreeBSD.org
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