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Date:      Fri, 26 Jul 2002 22:35:23 -0400
From:      "sagacious" <>
To:        <>
Subject:   RE: Peter heads back to M$FT WinBloze [integrate X]
Message-ID:  <000001c23516$42466ee0$0a01a8c0@MIKESBOX>
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When you decide to stay in FreeBSD world and not running to never never
land with bill, and actually contributing to the documents section for
freebsd do let us know. In the meantime stop complaining. They are doing
the best they can for something you buy for "FREE" by the way.. The
documentation as it is right now is not scarce. _at all_ Every one else
is doing just fine. No one is going to hold your hand, or anyone else's.
As far as a DESKTOP goes. Even I don't see FreeBSD being a desktop.
Because it is not. I have a windows box for my desktop. BSD is a server,
and some savvy hackers do like it for a desktop, and they do fine also.
I occasionally like to startx. But I cannot live in it. When Redhat
linux came out it wasn't so bad. Then they added all this crap in it for
the pinheads. Now look at it. It's a POS. I hope FreeBSD doesn't make it
any easier. That's all we need is a corrupted userbase like linux. 

sagacious (Mike)
Network administrator
The unixhideout network

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG
[mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG] On Behalf Of Peter Leftwich
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 10:27 PM
To: Dan Nelson
Cc: Michael Wells; FreeBSD LIST
Subject: Re: Peter heads back to M$FT WinBloze [integrate X]

On Fri, 26 Jul 2002, Dan Nelson wrote:
> Peter> Will FreeBSD's core of developers ever leap into integrating X
*and* a window manager (something similar to Windows)?  I surely hope
> If you mean pulling X into the FreeBSD CVS tree and deciding on a
> single window manager, definitely not.  Although if you call having an

Maybe as a default, or just *having* a default window manager is not a
idea.  CVS-savvy and code-savvy FreeBSD users could easily over-ride.

> XFree86-Server package, and over a dozen window manager packages,
> selectable by sysinstall during the install process, integration, we
> already have it, and have for years.
> --
> Dan Nelson -

The packages offered by the sysinstall process are usually behind by a
weeks.  When I installed 4.3 from CDROMs, it wasn't clear how to install
and/or upgrade over FTP.  At the time (Feb 2002), XFree86 3.3.6 was the
only GUI available and from sysinstall, the process of choosing a
manager was confusing.

Perhaps in the future we'll have a NoviceWM or BeginnerWM or the like.
This would be similar to how UNIX ISPs offer a UNIX shell known as
or learning unix shell -- the employees may jokingly call this
loser-user-shell because it is a menu'ed way to explore a limited set of
UNIX commands.

Perhaps sysinstall will feature much better FAQ's and HOWTO documents
detailing video drivers, X, and windows managers one day...

Peter Leftwich
President & Founder
Video2Video Services
Box 13692, La Jolla, CA, 92039 USA

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