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Date:      Tue, 3 Nov 1998 09:44:35 +1030
From:      Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.com>
To:        "Foster, Jim" <JFOSTER@CSKAUTO.COM>, "'freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG'" <freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG>
Subject:   Re: Desperately trying to get X to work...
Message-ID:  <19981103094435.B354@freebie.lemis.com>
In-Reply-To: <BF4A830F5207D2119420006008A1DB14DDC3B7@v128041.vandenberg.af.mil>; from Foster, Jim on Mon, Nov 02, 1998 at 09:34:33AM -0700
References:  <BF4A830F5207D2119420006008A1DB14DDC3B7@v128041.vandenberg.af.mil>

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On Monday,  2 November 1998 at  9:34:33 -0700, Foster, Jim wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I am trying to get X to work on my computer, but I am not having much luck.
> I have read the book (The Complete FreeBSD), I have read the errata, I have
> downloaded and used the new chapter 8 of the book, I have looked at past
> list archives....All with no luck.
>
> Basically what happens is when I configure and run X, I hear my monitor
> click and then go black.  I stays that way until I kill X, and cycle my
> monitor off and on.

This is an indication that X is trying to drive the monitor out of
spec.  It's turning off to avoid burning out.

> I have an IBM ValuePoint computer (i486/66 DX2) with built-in S3 video.
> SuperProbe reports:
> First video: Super-VGA
> 	Chipset: S3 86C805, C-step (Port Probed)
> 	Memory:  1024 Kbytes
> 	RAMDAC:  AT&T 20C490 15/16/24-bit DAC
> 		 (with 6-bit wide lookup tables (or in 6-bit mode))
> 		 (programmable for 6/8-bit wide lookup tables)
>
> For what it is worth, Win 95 reports that I have S3 video and that the
> chipset is 801/805 Rev E.  (Sidebar: In windows I can regularly use 800x600
> and 16-bit color with no problems).
>
> I have verified on the monitor manufacturer's web site what the horizontal
> and vertical refresh rates are, so that part should be OK (it's not in the
> monitors database).

What are they?

> When I configured X, it only presents me with three chipset options for S3.
> Those are mmio_928, newmmio, and s3_generic.  No 86C805!  Because of all of
> the "deadly warnings" about frying monitors AND chipsets, I have only
> selected s3_generic so far. 

You're unlikely to fry that monitor.  The "click and go black" is a
good sign.  And s3_generic should do it.

> I have configured the memory for 1MB, and the RAMDAC (whatever that
> is...) to att20c490, but I am not sure about the rest of the stuff
> that SuperProbe spit out, like ...15/16/24-bit DAC... and the stuff
> about lookup tables.  I assume it has to do with color depth.
> Finally, I also did not choose any clock chip support since
> SuperProbe did not tell me any thing about clock chips.

That should all be OK.

> I had the config script run X -probeonly to put the clock lines into the
> configuration.

You should be able to leave out the clock lines.  If X -probeonly
finds them, it'll find them at startup too.

> When I run startx, my monitor clicks, and goes black.
>
> As an experiment, I reconfigured X to use the SVGA server instead of S3 and
> I can get that to work in 8-bit color mode only (looks _real_ ugly).  As
> soon as I try and use the SVGA configuration with something more than 8-bit
> color...you guessed it, click-and-black.
>
> Am I suppose to use mmio_928 or newmmio?  How do I know which one?  Will it
> hurt my computer if I try and it is wrong? What else do I need to look at?

The first thing you need to look at is the information that X prints
out when it starts.  Since you have The Book, look at page 229, which
shows you how to start X and capture this information.  In particular,
check the information that it outputs about horizontal frequencies.

Greg
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