From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Apr 19 22:30:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA05573 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 19 Apr 1997 22:30:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.konnections.com (mail.konnections.com [192.41.71.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA05568 for ; Sat, 19 Apr 1997 22:30:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from castle (root@ip204.konnections.com [192.41.71.204]) by mail.konnections.com (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id XAA23511; Sat, 19 Apr 1997 23:29:12 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <335B07EA.50E5B450@konnections.com> Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 23:23:38 -0700 From: mike allison Organization: Publisher -- Burning Eagle Book Company X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; Linux 2.0.0 i486) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Smith CC: joelh@gnu.ai.mit.edu, scrappy@hub.org, jkh@time.cdrom.com, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Commercial, Non-Hacker CD Distribution - A thought References: <199704200517.OAA02863@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Michael Smith wrote: > Well, if you're an ISV, and we haven't spoken to you about it, then > shit Mike, I'm sorry. International phone calls in the middle of the > night still cost me money. Still, do you actually have any problems > running this application on FreeBSD? Have I, or any of the other > ABI-interested people seen any mail from you on the subject? > > > If there are problems with applications running under the emulation(s) > we support, then we want to know about them. We're not telepathic, > and we don't have the financial resources to test everything, so we > depend on the support and encouragement of the user community to get > us by. You don't, actually, sound very supportive to me, Mike. You > sound greedy and insistent; although I would love to be wrong about > that. > > > Er, which is what I, and other ISV contacts _do_. About a week ago, > we had a volunteer collecting the names of people working with ISV's > in order to formalise and coordinate things a little better; I was > impressed with the initiative. Actually Mike, Jordan was asked about 2 weeks ago what Free BSD does to support the vendors, I think this is when much of this came up. And I suggested Free BSD start a list to keep the vendors informed. You know, I can site here all night (day for you) and listen to you call me stupid, selfish, greedy, etcetera. I'd like to know where you get your information about me. Let's see, I have said today: Vendors should keep track of their own stuff and not rely on RedHat, Caldera, or Free BSD. That Vendors shouldn't feel that anyone will ask for their code. That I'd be willing to pay top dollar for good apps (i.e. I didn't expect packages to be free of cost) Gee Mike, where do you get greedy from? Have I asked for money? Did I say I expected people to call me and inform me of every move? NO... I said there are PERCEPTIONS Mike..... Just normal, everyday folk that don't necessarily want to port their stuff to Unix, who think Free anything is a crock of techy bull shite and as unstable as Charles Manson. But AGAIN.... this was just our discussion. You know what, I reserve the right to be wrong and for everyone else to be wrong. I think you can stop attacking me now, though. If you had a little more self confidence maybe you could focus on the argument at hand... Thanks for your input. I apologise if we said anything today which damaged the official reputation of Free BSD or any of your efforts to improve the situation. It was unintended. I also apologise if we offended your sensibilities, that was not our intent. We could have used your input and insight earlier as a number of ideas which we are not experts in arose which you claim expertise on. I would have enjoyed your input, I think. I hope in the future you can limit your abuse to the points made and not the person holding the pointer. Those things are sharp.... -Mike