From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Feb 4 11:22:10 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEBC537B401 for ; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 11:22:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.soaustin.net (mail.soaustin.net [207.200.4.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2927843FC7 for ; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 11:22:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: from lonesome.lonesome.com (cs2876-77.austin.rr.com [24.28.76.77]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.soaustin.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 084F81431D for ; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 12:51:14 -0600 (CST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Mark Linimon Organization: Lonesome Dove Computing Services To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: dillon@'s commit bit: I object Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 12:53:41 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200302041253.41042.linimon@lonesome.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20030204095218.02748660@localhost> [apologies if the In-Reply-To gets munged by KMail] On Tue, 04 Feb 2003 09:55:19 -0700, Brett Glass wrote: > One of the reasons I do not hack on FreeBSD more is due to > the nastiness of the politics. I could understand this sentiment. But you'll have to understand that for someone on the sidelines, like me, it's hard to reconcile this with some of the things you've said over the past 24 hours in -chat. Specifically: > [in response to Greg] Written by perhaps the most elitist member > of -core. and > But there appears to have been a disturbing sea change in > -core, in which more Core Team members seem to be acting > out longstanding grudges. and > Very recently, a small group of -core members also attempted to=20 > invent reasons to remove me from all of the FreeBSD mailing lists=20 > due to personal vendettas. and > >This is the kind of attitude that generates forks. > > And knives. I think if you reread the above statements, you'd have to see why someone might think they were highly charged, or even political, statements. Yes, they are divorced of their immediate surrounding contexts, but even so, I don't see how it's so easy to reconcile the latter statements with the one at the top of this posting. Me? I have no opinion on the commit-bit fiasco except that it could/should have been handled better. I've been on both sides of the coin, asking someone to leave a volunteer project and being asked to leave, and I can't say I handled either with much grace myself. Nevertheless, you might consider my comments food for thought. Mark To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message