Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2018 11:26:37 -0600 From: Ian Lepore <ian@freebsd.org> To: Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com>, michelle@sorbs.net Cc: FreeBSD-STABLE Mailing List <freebsd-stable@freebsd.org>, FreeBSD Net <freebsd-net@freebsd.org>, "freebsd-arch@freebsd.org" <freebsd-arch@freebsd.org>, freebsd-fcp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FCP-0101: Deprecating most 10/100 Ethernet drivers Message-ID: <1538673997.14264.9.camel@freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <CANCZdfrMbD1U0u-3WQJYnoyyZitJKQo5CnBTeZVbZ2ONjt20pQ@mail.gmail.com> References: <20181003210516.GA71565@spindle.one-eyed-alien.net> <55a44e73-60ab-e386-360a-b0a0198a0e71@zyxst.net> <8878cac1-d5d2-4224-6aa5-85516db23c14@sorbs.net> <CANCZdfrMbD1U0u-3WQJYnoyyZitJKQo5CnBTeZVbZ2ONjt20pQ@mail.gmail.com>
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On Thu, 2018-10-04 at 10:21 -0600, Warner Losh wrote: > On Thu, Oct 4, 2018 at 10:15 AM Michelle Sullivan <michelle@sorbs.net> > wrote: > > > > > tech-lists wrote: > > > > > > > > > I'm astonished you're considering removing rl given how common it is. > > > > > I'll second that comment - though no disrespect to Brooks. Brooks as > > far as I can see is just the messenger. > > > Absent good data, one has to make one's best guesses. I guessed wrong here > in my comments to Brooks about which ones were must keeps. I knew it was > popular back in the day (~2000), but had thought it's popularity had waned > much more than it apparently has. I last deployed systems with rl in them > around 2007, and at the time it was trailing edge gear (the SBCs we used at > Timing Solutions tended to use popular, but ~5-year-old technology because > that market segment wanted longevity of spare availability...). > > Warner 11 years later, we (Timing Solutions, now a division of Microchip) are still using SBCs with rl(4) hardware and still shipping software updates with that driver built into the kernel. We build systems with a lifespan in the field of 20 years or more, and the stability and compatibility across OS upgrades over that kind of span is a BIG reason to use freebsd rather than linux for such things. -- Ian
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