From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 3 00:27:53 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA27825 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 00:27:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from spooky.eis.net.au (spooky.eis.net.au [203.12.171.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA27818 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 00:27:48 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ernie@localhost) by spooky.eis.net.au (8.7.4/8.6.12) id SAA01557 for hackers@freebsd.org; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 18:38:54 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <199603030838.SAA01557@spooky.eis.net.au> Subject: ext2fs To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 18:38:53 +1000 (EST) From: "Ernie Elu" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 ME8b] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I was wondering what is the correct syntax for mounting a Linux ext2fs file system? I tried mount -t ext2fs /dev/sd1 /mnt and it gave:- Wrong magic number: 8867 (expected ef53 for EXT2FS) The patition I am trying to mount is on a 540MB SCSI driver set to SCSI ID=2 and the drive contains 1 partition that is formatted under linux. - Ernie. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 3 02:59:00 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA10105 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 02:59:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from iaehv.IAEhv.nl (root@iaehv.IAEhv.nl [192.87.208.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA10098 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 02:58:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by iaehv.IAEhv.nl (8.6.13/1.63) id LAA07800; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 11:58:50 +0100 X-Disclaimer: iaehv.nl is a public access UNIX system and cannot be held responsible for the opinions of its individual users. Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nietzsche.bowtie.nl (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA08436 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 11:48:32 +0100 Message-Id: <199603031048.LAA08436@nietzsche.bowtie.nl> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.1 5/23/95 To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Problem implementing a general faxpopup for FreeBSD Date: Sun, 03 Mar 1996 11:48:30 +0100 From: Marc van Kempen Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I got fed up with the lack of user-friendly faxsoftware for FreeBSD and decided to implement a faxpopup. The idea is to print to a 'fax' printer, which has this faxpopup as its inputfilter. It reads the postscript (or whatever stream your faxspool program supports) and lets you choose from a list of numbers, as an added extra, also lets you generate a frontpage at your leisure, and then feeds the pages to your faxspool program. I'm using mgetty+sendfax for this right now, but it could be any fax package, as long as it has the possibility to spool the fax with a command line utility. The problem however is that the DISPLAY environment variable does not seem to get passed to the faxpopup, but I need to know that to be able to support users working on a remote display. Does anyone have a good idea how to solve this? If I can make this work, it would be a very nice utility IMHO. I will also work on a console version, but the X-version has priority right now. Regards, Marc. ---------------------------------------------------- Marc van Kempen BowTie Technology Email: marc@bowtie.nl WWW & Databases tel. +31 40 2 43 20 65 fax. +31 40 2 44 21 86 http://www.bowtie.nl ---------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 3 04:00:30 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA18474 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 04:00:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay3.jaring.my (relay3.jaring.my [192.228.128.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA18460 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 04:00:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from hyh.UUCP (root@localhost) by relay3.jaring.my (8.7.1/8.7.1) with UUCP id TAA14129 for hackers@FreeBSD.org; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 19:53:46 +0800 (MYT) Received: by pc.my!hyh; Sun, 03 Mar 1996 02:19:38 X-Mailer: WinNET Plus, v3.0 Message-ID: <149@hyh.pc.my> Reply-To: aho@hyh.pc.my (Anthony Ho) To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Date: Sun, 03 Mar 1996 02:19:38 Subject: FreeBSD or BSDI From: aho@hyh.pc.my (Anthony Ho) Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk We are thinking of setting up an Internet Server (for email and web, ftp). Should we use FreeBSD or BSDI. Please give reasons. Thks. --- Anthony Ho fax: (605)-255-1215 121 Jalan Kuala Kangsar tel: (605)-254-9690 30010 Ipoh, Malaysia. tlx: MA 44340 Internet: aho@hyh.pc.my From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 3 06:41:11 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA27990 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 06:41:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from s1.GANet.NET (s1.GANet.NET [199.18.201.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA27984 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 06:41:10 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ec0@localhost) by s1.GANet.NET (8.6.11/8.6.11) id JAA11005; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 09:39:52 -0500 Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 09:39:51 -0500 (EST) From: Eric Chet To: Brian Tao cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OK, so what would YOU like to see on that second CD? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > I'd like to see a 4-CD set. :) Keep the install and live FS > CD-ROM's, then add the uncompressed XFree86 source tree (with contrib, > games, everything), indexed mailing list archives, Greg's "Installing > and Running FreeBSD" book (if that's legal after it's in print) and > FAQ's for as many packages/ports possible. Documentation, documentation > and more documentation. The above should easily fill the 1.2GB on > discs 3 and 4. I second this, what would the cost be for four cdroms? ejc > -- > Brian Tao (BT300, taob@io.org) > Systems Administrator, Internex Online Inc. > "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" > > From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 3 07:14:19 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA29061 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 07:14:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from hood.cbn.net.id (hood.cbn.net.id [202.158.3.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA29056 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 07:14:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from ip121.cbn.net.id by hood.cbn.net.id (NTMail 3.01.03) id wa033250; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 22:14:01 +0000 X-Sender: subzoner@hood.cbn.net.id X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: hackers@freebsd.org From: Okto Suryadi Lie Subject: re : first joint Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 22:14:01 +0000 Message-Id: <15140106403177@cbn.net.id> Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I would like to know about FreeBSD. Could you send me any matter about this? Thanks From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 3 08:42:30 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA02482 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 08:42:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from masternet.it (root@masternet.it [194.184.65.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA02477 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 08:42:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from ts1port3d.masternet.it (ts1port3d.masternet.it [194.184.65.25]) by masternet.it (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA04762 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 17:40:41 +0100 Message-Id: <199603031640.RAA04762@masternet.it> X-Sender: monboso@masternet.it X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 03 Mar 1996 17:42:47 +0100 To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org From: Amedeo Beck Peccoz Subject: xfs not working properly Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I'm the sysadmin of our 7 PCs Ethernet LAN and I decided to switch from Novell Netware to FreeBSD 2.1, so I put xfs 1.91 as a TCP client on the PCs side, but unforunately I had to observe the following: 1) the FreeBSD server is much slower as now I can only get an average speed (Norton SYSINFO) of 87 K/s in readings and ONLY 10K/s in writings!!! while I used to run at 250K/s with the Novell one. Is this a problem in xfs or in FreeBSD? Note that at present some applications (e.g. Excel) are really unusable!! :-( I've also noted that nfsstat on the server reports an execessively high value in the "Server Cache Stats: Misses" value. Is this correct? How can I configure nfs caches? I haven't found any help in the mans! Here is a tipical server cache line from nfsstat after 2 day the servers has being working: Server Cache Stats: Inprog Idem Non-idem Misses 1 30 0 611022 2) I have to set to rwxrwxrwx (777) the rights of all the files in the exported dirs to let the clients see them, and for the same reason a line exists in my /etc/crontab file that executes a "chmod -R 777 /export" every 10 minutes, otherwise the newly created files are not accessibles by other users. Is this a problem in the FreeBSD rpc.pcnfsd daemon or maybe in the nfsd daemon or is there something wrong with xfs? I made some experiments and found out that the clients can properly see a directory if its group is the login group of the user, but if the group of the dir is another group the user belongs to, he (or she) cannot enter the dir if I set its rights to rwxrwx--- (770) Thanks in advance to anyone helping me solving this problem! From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 3 09:24:02 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA03650 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 09:24:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from jolt.eng.umd.edu (jolt.eng.umd.edu [129.2.102.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA03629 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 09:23:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from skipper.eng.umd.edu (skipper.eng.umd.edu [129.2.98.208]) by jolt.eng.umd.edu (8.7.3/8.7) with ESMTP id MAA24415; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 12:23:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (from chuckr@localhost) by skipper.eng.umd.edu (8.7.4/8.7) id MAA10377; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 12:23:51 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 12:23:51 -0500 (EST) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@skipper.eng.umd.edu To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: OK, so what would YOU like to see on that second CD? In-Reply-To: <22180.825839101@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Sat, 2 Mar 1996, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > On Mon, 26 Feb 1996, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > > > > Just what would you folks like to see? :-) > > Besides the CVS tree, which would give me visibility I now lack, hmm, there's one thing that I'd kinda like, me and maybe other folks who have C++ classes to work into: a port of gcc-2.7.2. Not replacing the 2.6.3, but able to work along side it. Maybe some folks would want the pentium version, but I have a pair of 486DX66's, so I wouldn't. A copy of the last src-cur -A file. It's too damn big to download conveniently for those of us with university accounts and limited disk areas. I don't like the idea of this being more than 1 cd, this was supposed to be a bargain basement special for hackers, not a replacement for the main subscription. > > Jordan > ========================================================================== Chuck Robey chuckr@eng.umd.edu, I run FreeBSD-current on n3lxx + Journey2 Three Accounts for the Super-users in the sky, Seven for the Operators in their halls of fame, Nine for Ordinary Users doomed to crie, One for the Illegal Cracker with his evil game In the Domains of Internet where the data lie. One Account to rule them all, One Account to watch them, One Account to make them all and in the network bind them. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 3 10:30:53 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA06168 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 10:30:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA06159 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 10:30:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.4/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA26357; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 10:30:39 -0800 (PST) To: aho@hyh.pc.my (Anthony Ho) cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD or BSDI In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 03 Mar 1996 02:19:38." <149@hyh.pc.my> Date: Sun, 03 Mar 1996 10:30:39 -0800 Message-ID: <26355.825877839@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Evaluate them both and see what you think. Sorry, but our position on this is that we won't make "use xxx over yyy" statements given that it's impossible to even answer this question correctly for any given query. Different people have different needs, and whereas FreeBSD might be the clear choice for one, BSDI may be a clear choice for another. In other words, we're not going to give you a canned answer, nor will we attempt to cite "reasons" which may or may not even be relevant to your situation. Get whichever OS the person who will be *maintaining* your system is most comfortable with. Regards, Jordan > We are thinking of setting up an Internet Server (for email and web, > ftp). > > Should we use FreeBSD or BSDI. Please give reasons. > > Thks. > > --- > Anthony Ho fax: (605)-255-1215 > 121 Jalan Kuala Kangsar tel: (605)-254-9690 > 30010 Ipoh, Malaysia. tlx: MA 44340 > Internet: aho@hyh.pc.my From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 3 10:35:08 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA06391 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 10:35:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from schizo.cdsnet.net (schizo.cdsnet.net [204.118.244.32]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA06384 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 10:35:02 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mrcpu@localhost) by schizo.cdsnet.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id HAA04254; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 07:47:02 -0800 Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 07:47:02 -0800 (PST) From: Jaye Mathisen To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Following config file kills network, why? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Thanks to all those who pointed out that the default rule for IPFW had changed to deny rather than accept. Like most of these problem, in retrospect, it should've been obvious... I will admit that I liked the old way of being able to set the policy, rather than have it set for me, but I can re-write my rules. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 3 11:24:18 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA08595 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 11:24:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA08585 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 11:24:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.4/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA26847; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 11:24:05 -0800 (PST) To: Chuck Robey cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: OK, so what would YOU like to see on that second CD? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 03 Mar 1996 12:23:51 EST." Date: Sun, 03 Mar 1996 11:24:05 -0800 Message-ID: <26845.825881045@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > A copy of the last src-cur -A file. It's too damn big to download > conveniently for those of us with university accounts and limited disk > areas. I wanted to use this also, but unfortunately I've been unable to *find* the CTM deltas! The first SNAP CD will therefore go out without this on it, I'm afraid. I've included the CVS tree, however, Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 3 11:31:29 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA08976 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 11:31:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from jolt.eng.umd.edu (jolt.eng.umd.edu [129.2.102.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA08970 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 11:31:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from skipper.eng.umd.edu (skipper.eng.umd.edu [129.2.98.208]) by jolt.eng.umd.edu (8.7.3/8.7) with ESMTP id OAA25832; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 14:31:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (from chuckr@localhost) by skipper.eng.umd.edu (8.7.4/8.7) id OAA10842; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 14:31:20 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 14:31:20 -0500 (EST) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@skipper.eng.umd.edu To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: OK, so what would YOU like to see on that second CD? In-Reply-To: <26845.825881045@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Sun, 3 Mar 1996, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > A copy of the last src-cur -A file. It's too damn big to download > > conveniently for those of us with university accounts and limited disk > > areas. > > I wanted to use this also, but unfortunately I've been unable to > *find* the CTM deltas! Huh? At least for current (the one I track) the deltas are on Freefall in /pub/CTM/src-cur. at the same level, ports-cur tracks the ports tree. The big deltas are the ones with the letter "A" after the number, like src-cur.1500A.gz. There will be a src-cur.1500.gz, but that's just the normal incremental update, pretty small and not required here. Just look the the highest numbered "A" file, that's the latest complete update, and required for anyone wanting to get booted into the CTM method of keeping current. It's roughly 30 megs in size, so it's a pain to download, and it's not available anywhere broken up into any smaller chunks. > > The first SNAP CD will therefore go out without this on it, I'm > afraid. I've included the CVS tree, however, > > Jordan > ========================================================================== Chuck Robey chuckr@eng.umd.edu, I run FreeBSD-current on n3lxx + Journey2 Three Accounts for the Super-users in the sky, Seven for the Operators in their halls of fame, Nine for Ordinary Users doomed to crie, One for the Illegal Cracker with his evil game In the Domains of Internet where the data lie. One Account to rule them all, One Account to watch them, One Account to make them all and in the network bind them. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 3 11:37:36 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA09328 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 11:37:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA09323 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 11:37:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.4/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA29848; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 11:36:59 -0800 (PST) To: Chuck Robey cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: OK, so what would YOU like to see on that second CD? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 03 Mar 1996 14:31:20 EST." Date: Sun, 03 Mar 1996 11:36:59 -0800 Message-ID: <29846.825881819@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Huh? At least for current (the one I track) the deltas are on Freefall > in /pub/CTM/src-cur. at the same level, ports-cur tracks the ports Ahhhhh.. *freefall*, not wcarchive! Gotcha. Sorry, I was confused. Since I'm still building the CD as we speak, your reply made it in time (thanks!) for me to grab the CTM stuff over.. Done! Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 3 11:47:43 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA09768 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 11:47:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA09763 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 11:47:41 -0800 (PST) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id MAA04424; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 12:45:13 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199603031945.MAA04424@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: ext2fs To: ernie@spooky.eis.net.au (Ernie Elu) Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 12:45:13 -0700 (MST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199603030838.SAA01557@spooky.eis.net.au> from "Ernie Elu" at Mar 3, 96 06:38:53 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I was wondering what is the correct syntax for mounting a Linux ext2fs file > system? > > I tried mount -t ext2fs /dev/sd1 /mnt > > and it gave:- > > Wrong magic number: 8867 (expected ef53 for EXT2FS) > > The patition I am trying to mount is on a 540MB SCSI driver set to SCSI ID=2 > and the drive contains 1 partition that is formatted under linux. You are trying to mount the raw device (8867 is the DOS partition table); use the correct slice for the partition. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 3 11:48:48 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA09957 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 11:48:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA09938 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 11:48:42 -0800 (PST) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id MAA04438; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 12:46:23 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199603031946.MAA04438@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: Problem implementing a general faxpopup for FreeBSD To: marc@bowtie.nl (Marc van Kempen) Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 12:46:23 -0700 (MST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199603031048.LAA08436@nietzsche.bowtie.nl> from "Marc van Kempen" at Mar 3, 96 11:48:30 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > The problem however is that the DISPLAY environment variable > does not seem to get passed to the faxpopup, but I need to > know that to be able to support users working on a remote display. > > Does anyone have a good idea how to solve this? If I can make this > work, it would be a very nice utility IMHO. > > I will also work on a console version, but the X-version has priority > right now. Send them mail; biff will popup for you. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 3 12:03:29 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA10640 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 12:03:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA10632 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 12:03:27 -0800 (PST) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id NAA04482; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 13:01:41 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199603032001.NAA04482@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: xfs not working properly To: monboso@masternet.it (Amedeo Beck Peccoz) Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 13:01:41 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199603031640.RAA04762@masternet.it> from "Amedeo Beck Peccoz" at Mar 3, 96 05:42:47 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > I'm the sysadmin of our 7 PCs Ethernet LAN and I decided to switch from > Novell Netware to FreeBSD 2.1, so I put xfs 1.91 as a TCP client on the PCs > side, but unforunately I had to observe the following: > > 1) the FreeBSD server is much slower as now I can only get an average speed > (Norton SYSINFO) of 87 K/s in readings and ONLY 10K/s in writings!!! while I > used to run at 250K/s with the Novell one. Is this a problem in xfs or in > FreeBSD? Note that at present some applications (e.g. Excel) are really > unusable!! :-( I've also noted that nfsstat on the server reports an > execessively high value in the "Server Cache Stats: Misses" value. Is this > correct? How can I configure nfs caches? I haven't found any help in the mans! > Here is a tipical server cache line from nfsstat after 2 day the servers has > being working: > Server Cache Stats: > Inprog Idem Non-idem Misses > 1 30 0 611022 Where is this information coming from? In general, the NFS on the server does not, strictly speaking, have a cache. The FreeBSD VM system disassociates the vnode from the underlying inode when the last refrence goes away (since NFS is stateless, this is each time. This seriously impacts the NFS numbers; unfortunately, other than significantly changing the buffer cache (to use a device/offset rather than a vnode/offset block index and thus not invalidate cache pages for which there are not active vnodes), there's very little that can be easily done. This is not enough to account for your very low numbers, however, since NFS-to-NFS doesn't have numbers this bad in a pure BSD environment. I suspect it is the cache on the PC, not on the server itself, that is blowing out. Make sure you have configured it to be large enough. Make sure the XFS cache is keying off the invariant portion of the cookie; most modern NFS's vary the cookie as part of making valid cookies hard to guess. If the cache is keying off the whole thing, it will get an inordinate number of misses. My personal advice would be to go to SMB clients instead of XFS and run Samba (a LAN Manager compatible server available at no cost) on FreeBSD. > 2) I have to set to rwxrwxrwx (777) the rights of all the files in the > exported dirs to let the clients see them, and for the same reason a line > exists in my /etc/crontab file that executes a "chmod -R 777 /export" every > 10 minutes, otherwise the newly created files are not accessibles by other > users. Is this a problem in the FreeBSD rpc.pcnfsd daemon or maybe in the > nfsd daemon or is there something wrong with xfs? I made some experiments > and found out that the clients can properly see a directory if its group is > the login group of the user, but if the group of the dir is another group > the user belongs to, he (or she) cannot enter the dir if I set its rights to > rwxrwx--- (770) Group permissions are generally sent across the wire in the NFS case, since the machine at the other end is assumed to be a trusted host. For PCNFS (ie: xfs), there is an authentication daemon that does the cookie generation on name lookup, and the xfs client is expected to authenticate to that. You should look at the default umask and the GID for the client program; in general, the need to open things up wide like this is a reflection of not having set up the client to authenticate correctly to the server. Hope this helps. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 3 12:57:55 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA12775 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 12:57:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from masternet.it (root@masternet.it [194.184.65.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA12768 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 12:57:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from ts1port12d.masternet.it (ts1port12d.masternet.it [194.184.65.34]) by masternet.it (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA05615 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 21:56:01 +0100 Message-Id: <199603032056.VAA05615@masternet.it> X-Sender: monboso@masternet.it X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 03 Mar 1996 21:58:05 +0100 To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org From: Amedeo Beck Peccoz Subject: can't compile the kernel... Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Tried to compile my kernel, but got the following: kern_sysctl.o: Undefined symbol '_hw_float' referenced from text segment Any idea? Ciao! Ciao! //\medeo From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 3 14:23:12 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA17731 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 14:23:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from schizo.cdsnet.net (schizo.cdsnet.net [204.118.244.32]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA17726 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 14:23:07 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mrcpu@localhost) by schizo.cdsnet.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA06486; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 14:24:28 -0800 Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 14:24:28 -0800 (PST) From: Jaye Mathisen To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Multiple deliver of SIGALRM? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I have noticed that in my pop server (Qualcomm) under FreeBSD that in the function tgets in popper.c, if I put a quick check in there to log everytime it gets SIGALARM, occasionally that I will get several in a row. However, alarm is only set once. I don't think this is normal. Does anybody have a better "tgets" implementation, or fixes for this? OR maybe a good setitimer solution? I suppose it could be a bad interaction between alarm and setjmp/longjmp if that's possible. In any case, it no workee. Heck, I'd be willing to pay somebody to fix it. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 3 16:23:56 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA22266 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 16:23:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA22260 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 16:23:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.4/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA01244 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 16:23:50 -0800 (PST) To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Jason Thorpe: Re. ISA "userconfig" Date: Sun, 03 Mar 1996 16:23:50 -0800 Message-ID: <1242.825899030@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hmmmm, now here's a different approach! His scheme does have one advantage, which is that a newbie doesn't have to remember to boot with `-c', you could simply have an option flag which goes in GENERIC and turns on the "ask me please!" feature he's sort of got below. It's always interesting to see how different groups approach the same problems! :-) Jordan ------- Forwarded Message From: Jason Thorpe Date: Sun, 03 Mar 1996 12:57:01 -0800 Sender: owner-port-i386@NetBSD.ORG Precedence: list X-Loop: port-i386@NetBSD.ORG Well, after the little thread last week about this, I grew kind of tired of the arguing about it, and decided to implement a proof-of-concept, MI ISA "userconfig" thing...it's pretty rough, and needs to be made bus-independent, but it's a start, anyhow. In any case, this took about 20 minutes to write, so doing it isn't that hard...maybe next week I'll work on the bus-independent version... If anyone has suggestions about what they'd like to see (within reason) in a NetBSD "userconfig", go ahead and let me know...No, I don't want to put menus in the kernel :-) - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jason R. Thorpe thorpej@nas.nasa.gov NASA Ames Research Center Home: 408.866.1912 NAS: M/S 258-6 Work: 415.604.0935 Moffett Field, CA 94035 Pager: 415.428.6939 - ----- snip ----- NetBSD 1.1A (ANTIE) #434: Sat Mar 2 18:12:02 PST 1996 thorpej@antie:/work/netbsd/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/ANTIE CPU: i486DX (486-class CPU) real mem = 16384000 avail mem = 13885440 using 225 buffers containing 921600 bytes of memory isa0 (root) isa0: enter userconfig mode? y/[n] yes isa config: locators for device `ed0 at isa0': port=0x280 iomem=0xd0000 irq=9 drq= isa config: probe for device `ed0 at isa0'? y/[n] yes isa config: edit locators for device `ed0 at isa0'? y/[n] yes isa config: enter new locator values, for no change isa config: ed0 at isa0: port=0x280 ? 0x300 isa config: ed0 at isa0: iomem=0xd0000 ? isa config: ed0 at isa0: irq=9 ? isa config: ed0 at isa0: drq= ? isa config: locators for device `ed0 at isa0': port=0x300 iomem=0xd0000 irq=9 drq= isa config: probe for device `ed0 at isa0'? y/[n] yes isa config: edit locators for device `ed0 at isa0'? y/[n] yes isa config: enter new locator values, for no change isa config: ed0 at isa0: port=0x300 ? 280 isa config: ed0 at isa0: iomem=0xd0000 ? isa config: ed0 at isa0: irq=9 ? isa config: ed0 at isa0: drq= ? isa config: locators for device `ed0 at isa0': port=0x280 iomem=0xd0000 irq=9 drq= isa config: probe for device `ed0 at isa0'? y/[n] yes isa config: edit locators for device `ed0 at isa0'? y/[n] no ed0 at isa0 port 0x280-0x29f iomem 0xd0000-0xd3fff irq 9: address 00:00:c0:94:f6:72, type WD8013WC (16-bit) aui isa config: locators for device `npx0 at isa0': port=0xf0 iomem= irq=13 drq= isa config: probe for device `npx0 at isa0'? y/[n] yes isa config: edit locators for device `npx0 at isa0'? y/[n] no npx0 at isa0 port 0xf0-0xff: using exception 16 isa config: locators for device `vt0 at isa0': port=0x60 iomem= irq=1 drq= isa config: probe for device `vt0 at isa0'? y/[n] yes isa config: edit locators for device `vt0 at isa0'? y/[n] no vt0 at isa0 port 0x60-0x6f irq 1: generic, 80 col, color, 8 scr, mf2-kbd, [R3.32] isa config: locators for device `lms0 at isa0': port=0x23c iomem= irq=5 drq= isa config: probe for device `lms0 at isa0'? y/[n] yes isa config: edit locators for device `lms0 at isa0'? y/[n] no lms0 at isa0 port 0x23c-0x23f irq 5 isa config: locators for device `fdc0 at isa0': port=0x3f0 iomem= irq=6 drq=2 isa config: probe for device `fdc0 at isa0'? y/[n] yes isa config: edit locators for device `fdc0 at isa0'? y/[n] no fdc0 at isa0 port 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 eisa0 (root) ahb0 at eisa0 slot 1 irq 11: Adaptec AHA-1742A scsibus0 at ahb0 sd0 at scsibus0 targ 0 lun 0: SCSI2 0/direct fixed sd0: 1169MB, 2448 cyl, 14 head, 69 sec, 512 bytes/sec sd1 at scsibus0 targ 1 lun 0: SCSI2 0/direct fixed sd1: 1169MB, 2448 cyl, 14 head, 69 sec, 512 bytes/sec sd2 at scsibus0 targ 2 lun 0: SCSI2 0/direct fixed sd2: 859MB, 1980 cyl, 11 head, 80 sec, 512 bytes/sec sd3 at scsibus0 targ 3 lun 0: SCSI2 0/direct fixed sd3: 859MB, 1980 cyl, 11 head, 80 sec, 512 bytes/sec biomask 840 netmask a40 ttymask a62 changing root device to sd0a ------- End of Forwarded Message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 3 16:29:34 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA22444 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 16:29:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA22439 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 16:29:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA09216; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 11:03:30 +1030 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199603040033.LAA09216@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: xfs not working properly To: monboso@masternet.it (Amedeo Beck Peccoz) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 11:03:29 +1030 (CST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199603031640.RAA04762@masternet.it> from "Amedeo Beck Peccoz" at Mar 3, 96 05:42:47 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Amedeo Beck Peccoz stands accused of saying: > > I'm the sysadmin of our 7 PCs Ethernet LAN and I decided to switch from > Novell Netware to FreeBSD 2.1, so I put xfs 1.91 as a TCP client on the PCs > side, but unforunately I had to observe the following: > > 1) the FreeBSD server is much slower as now I can only get an average speed > (Norton SYSINFO) of 87 K/s in readings and ONLY 10K/s in writings!!! while I > used to run at 250K/s with the Novell one. Is this a problem in xfs or in > FreeBSD? Note that at present some applications (e.g. Excel) are really > unusable!! :-( I've also noted that nfsstat on the server reports an > execessively high value in the "Server Cache Stats: Misses" value. Is this > correct? How can I configure nfs caches? I haven't found any help in the mans! Please get your facts straight here. The FreeBSD NFS server is not "much slower", the problem is that the _DOS_clients_ are "much slower". The bottom line is that DOS and NFS _do_not_mix_. NFS is designed for systems that perform I/O like Unix systems. DOS performs I/O like a bootstrap loader (which it is), and interacts with NFS very poorly. What you should be doing is using a protocol that interacts well with DOS. In this case, the clear winner is the SMB protocol, as used by Microsoft Windows, and more importantly in your case also by the _free_ Microsoft Lan Client (available from ftp.microsoft.com). The server for this protocol is part of the 'samba' package distributed with FreeBSD. We use this combination extensively, and have seen performance well over 300K/sec using 8-bit ethernet cards. -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 3 17:08:09 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA24051 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 17:08:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from eldorado.net-tel.co.uk (eldorado.net-tel.co.uk [193.122.171.253]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA24046 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 17:08:03 -0800 (PST) From: Andrew.Gordon@net-tel.co.uk Received: (from root@localhost) by eldorado.net-tel.co.uk (8.6.12/8.6.10) id BAA22116 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 01:07:30 GMT X400-Received: by mta "eldorado" in "/PRMD=net-tel/ADMD=gold 400/C=gb/"; Relayed; Mon, 4 Mar 96 1:06:59 +0000 X400-Received: by mta "net-tel cambridge" in "/PRMD=net-tel/ADMD=gold 400/C=gb/"; Relayed; Mon, 4 Mar 96 1:06:55 +0000 X400-Received: by "/PRMD=NET-TEL/ADMD=Gold 400/C=GB/"; Relayed; Mon, 4 Mar 96 1:06:55 +0000 X400-MTS-Identifier: ["/PRMD=NET-TEL/ADMD=Gold 400/C=GB/";hst:28291-960304010655-6D77] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) X400-Originator: Andrew.Gordon@net-tel.co.uk Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text X400-Recipients: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 4 Mar 96 1:06:55 +0000 Content-Identifier: Bug in Crynwr/Li Message-Id: <"439-960304010943-27C4*/G=Andrew/S=Gordon/O=Net-Tel Computer Systems Ltd/PRMD=Net-Tel/ADMD=Gold 400/C=GB/"@MHS> To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Bug in Crynwr/Linux mode of lp driver MIME-Version: 1.0 (Generated by NET-TEL X.400 Rfcgate Version 2.2.0) Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; boundary="E439-960304010943-27C4s/G=Andrew/S=Gordon/O=Net-.b0ndr1y.nested_0" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk --E439-960304010943-27C4s/G=Andrew/S=Gordon/O=Net-.b0ndr1y.nested_0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The new Linux/Crynwr-compatible mode of the lp (IP over parallel port) driver has at least one bug that causes panics if oversize packets are received. 1) The major difference of this protocol over the old is that the packet length is transmitted in front of the data. Unfortunately, the code trusts the supplied value, and will overrun a buffer if the sending implementation sends a packet that is too big. This bug did not apply to the old mode (with implicit length) as the length was checked. Patch attached. 2) It looks to me as if there is still a race where buffer overruns can occur in either protocol as the MTU is changing - either if the MTU is decreasing and a packet arrives of the old MTU in length, or in the more obscure case where malloc fails to supply a buffer of the desired new size (code in lpioctl(), manipulating sc->sc_ifbuf and sc->sc_if.if_mtu). Maybe lpioctl() is called at a suitable spl that this can't happen? Perhaps someone more knowledgeable would care to comment. [By way of amusement, the implementation provoking bug 1 was on an Acorn BBC Micro, in a mix of 6502 assembler and basic] --E439-960304010943-27C4s/G=Andrew/S=Gordon/O=Net-.b0ndr1y.nested_0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Patch to src/sys/i386/isa/lpt.c I was working with FreeBSD-stable as of CTM patch no. 46, but the same problem applies to -current. *** lpt.c-stable-ctm46 Mon Mar 4 00:41:30 1996 --- lpt.c Mon Mar 4 00:44:56 1996 *************** *** 1078,1083 **** --- 1078,1085 ---- if (j == -1) goto err; len = len + (j << 8); + if (len > sc->sc_if.if_mtu + MLPIPHDRLEN) + goto err; bp = sc->sc_ifbuf; --E439-960304010943-27C4s/G=Andrew/S=Gordon/O=Net-.b0ndr1y.nested_0-- From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 3 17:30:16 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA24656 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 17:30:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from ccslinux.dlsu.edu.ph (humprey@linux1.dlsu.edu.ph [165.220.8.15]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA24645 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 17:30:09 -0800 (PST) Received: (from humprey@localhost) by ccslinux.dlsu.edu.ph (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA06108; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 09:33:19 +0800 Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 09:33:19 +0800 (GMT+0800) From: "Humprey C. Sy" To: Amedeo Beck Peccoz cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: can't compile the kernel... In-Reply-To: <199603032056.VAA05615@masternet.it> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Sun, 3 Mar 1996, Amedeo Beck Peccoz wrote: > Tried to compile my kernel, but got the following: > kern_sysctl.o: Undefined symbol '_hw_float' referenced from text segment You'll need to include the npx0 in your kernel. - Humprey - From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 3 18:15:05 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA25988 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 18:15:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from masternet.it (root@masternet.it [194.184.65.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA25982 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 18:15:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from ts1port5d.masternet.it (ts1port5d.masternet.it [194.184.65.27]) by masternet.it (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id DAA06392 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 03:13:18 +0100 Message-Id: <199603040213.DAA06392@masternet.it> X-Sender: monboso@masternet.it X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 04 Mar 1996 03:15:20 +0100 To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org From: Amedeo Beck Peccoz Subject: I'd like Samba Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I'm trying to let my FreeBSD server serve DOS clients using MS Network Client 3.0 and after reading tons of mans on the unix side and the poor docs coming with the MS Network Client 3.0 distribution I have no idea of the steps I have to take to let the net run. Has someone got a checklist or something useful to start? Lack of clear documentatio seems to be the main problem. I've configured almost easily Netware, nfs server/client, xfs, wfs and pc-nfs, but this is really misterious! :-( In particular: 1) do I have to modify the /smb.conf file in the unix machine? If yes HOW? 2) do I have to run the unix machine as a nfs server? 3) how do I specify the exported dirs from the unix side? In the /etc/exports file or somewhere else? 4) how do I configure the clients? The SETUP.EXE is just copying the files in the C:\NET dir and configuring the ethernet card, nothing more; 5) will I ever come out of this? Thanks to all of you who'll help me!! Ciao! //\medeo From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 3 18:53:24 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA27448 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 18:53:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from rk.ios.com ([198.4.75.55]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA27443 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 18:53:21 -0800 (PST) Received: (from rashid@localhost) by rk.ios.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id VAA07580 for hackers@freebsd.org; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 21:53:17 -0500 From: Rashid Karimov Message-Id: <199603040253.VAA07580@rk.ios.com> Subject: pwd_mkdb - really slow :( To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 21:53:17 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk HI there ppl, I have quite afew systems here with ~10.00 accounts on ea ... and pwd_mkdb is _very slow now ... Takes 2+ minutes to rebuild the damn databases every time. I'm not concerned with passwd command , even though as I understand it doesn;t do one-point update so far and rebuilds everything from a scratch, but I'm trying to somehow speed up the pwd_mkdb itself. So they're a few ways I can see looking at the source code . For example it does two passes on a master password file it's fed as a parameter - once for unsecure and once for secure databases - so this could be made only once and we can write in to db's in parallel, Secondly may be I'll be able to reuse at least parts of the structure used for db->put for secure and usecure db's. And aslo - does any of programs actually use pwd info indexed by line number ? Do we really need this pass ( there're actually two passes) ? I want to check the the thing using profiler , just to see what eats most time in the program ( I do have a feeling already that it's all those dp->put's ). Rashid. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 3 19:43:19 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA29680 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 19:43:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from schwing.ginsu.com ([205.210.24.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA29673 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 19:43:10 -0800 (PST) Received: (from geoff@localhost) by schwing.ginsu.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id WAA12703; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 22:39:12 -0500 Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 22:39:11 -0500 (EST) From: Geoff Wells To: Amedeo Beck Peccoz cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I'd like Samba In-Reply-To: <199603040213.DAA06392@masternet.it> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I agree. I've been having problems as well and the documentation doesn't seem to be up to par. Although I don't think this is the place for the discussion (but I don't know where the right place is either ;). I've been trying to get my system working as well ( WFW 3.11 client with FreeBSD 2.1 server) I can mount any publicly available drive but something like /home just doesn't work. I can't seem to get the password authentication working. Something I did notice is that public drives get mounted as noboby ( ie GID, UID = 65535, 65535 ). This might explain why I can never get the right password. Another thing I can't get right is the name service. I just can't seem to manage a browsable network. All I get it "Network unavailable". :( If this discussion belongs in another group please tell me the list. If you have any idea what is going on, even better. Thanks for listening to me rant. Later, Geoff. On Mon, 4 Mar 1996, Amedeo Beck Peccoz wrote: > I'm trying to let my FreeBSD server serve DOS clients using MS Network > Client 3.0 and after reading tons of mans on the unix side and the poor docs > coming with the MS Network Client 3.0 distribution I have no idea of the > steps I have to take to let the net run. Has someone got a checklist or > something useful to start? Lack of clear documentatio seems to be the main > problem. I've configured almost easily Netware, nfs server/client, xfs, wfs > and pc-nfs, but this is really misterious! :-( > In particular: > 1) do I have to modify the /smb.conf file in the unix machine? If yes HOW? > 2) do I have to run the unix machine as a nfs server? > 3) how do I specify the exported dirs from the unix side? In the > /etc/exports file or somewhere else? > 4) how do I configure the clients? The SETUP.EXE is just copying the files > in the C:\NET dir and configuring the ethernet card, nothing more; > 5) will I ever come out of this? > > Thanks to all of you who'll help me!! > > Ciao! > //\medeo > > From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 3 19:43:21 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA29692 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 19:43:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA29679 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 19:43:17 -0800 (PST) Received: (from julian@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.7.3/8.6.9) id TAA27629; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 19:41:43 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199603040341.TAA27629@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: pwd_mkdb - really slow :( To: rashid@rk.ios.com (Rashid Karimov) Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 19:41:43 -0800 (PST) From: "JULIAN Elischer" Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199603040253.VAA07580@rk.ios.com> from "Rashid Karimov" at Mar 3, 96 09:53:17 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 ME8b] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > HI there ppl, > > As I understand it, changes were made to do single-point changes, and to speed all this up in the 'passwd' case. to speed up mkpwd you would need a 'diff' file of before and after' and do the changes as a set of single-point changes. This requires that you trust the passwd.master and the database files to be correctly in sync. > > > I have quite afew systems here with ~10.00 accounts > on ea ... and pwd_mkdb is _very slow now ... Takes > 2+ minutes to rebuild the damn databases every time. > > I'm not concerned with passwd command , even though > as I understand it doesn;t do one-point update so far > and rebuilds everything from a scratch, but I'm trying > to somehow speed up the pwd_mkdb itself. > > So they're a few ways I can see looking at the source code . > For example it does two passes on a master password file > it's fed as a parameter - once for unsecure and once > for secure databases - so this could be made only once > and we can write in to db's in parallel, Secondly may > be I'll be able to reuse at least parts of the structure > used for db->put for secure and usecure db's. > And aslo - does any of programs actually use pwd info > indexed by line number ? Do we really need this pass > ( there're actually two passes) ? > > I want to check the the thing using profiler , just > to see what eats most time in the program ( I do have > a feeling already that it's all those dp->put's ). these might of course speed things up.. it might also be quicker to build the entire databse in ram and bang it out to disk as a single write.. :) > > > Rashid. > From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 3 19:56:50 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA00448 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 19:56:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from freebsd.netcom.com ([198.211.79.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA00442 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 19:56:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by freebsd.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1) id WAA00183; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 22:00:46 -0600 From: bugs@freebsd.netcom.com (Mark Hittinger) Message-Id: <199603040400.WAA00183@freebsd.netcom.com> Subject: re: pwd_mkdb - really slow :( To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 22:00:45 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > From: Rashid Karimov > I have quite afew systems here with ~10.00 accounts > on ea ... and pwd_mkdb is _very slow now ... Takes > 2+ minutes to rebuild the damn databases every time. > I had some systems with over 15,000 accounts in the databases and the performance was terrible! :-) Guido van Rooij wrote some patches for pwd_mkdb that do "update-in-place" of the password database. These patches made a tremendous difference for me. If the record doesn't already exist, it is added without a rebuild of the entire set of files. Perhaps Guido can post the latest version of his adjustments. The process of changing a password on vanilla FreeBSD is an amazing one! We modify a record in /etc/master.passwd, we then build pwd.db, spwd.db, and passwd! We have a lot of redundant records laying around. Any site that has a large number of users or is considering having a large number of users should search the archives for Guido's patches. Regards, Mark Hittinger Netcom/Dallas bugs@freebsd.netcom.com From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 3 23:13:37 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA08537 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 23:13:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de ([141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA08516 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 23:13:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id IAA02596; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 08:13:10 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id IAA03392; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 08:13:16 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.4/8.6.9) id QAA02712; Sat, 2 Mar 1996 16:51:54 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199603021551.QAA02712@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: FIFO question To: MAX@mics.msu.su (Mad Phantom) Date: Sat, 2 Mar 1996 16:51:54 +0100 (MET) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <1DF27873BE4@mics.msu.su> from "Mad Phantom" at Feb 27, 96 08:17:03 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Mad Phantom wrote: > I have problems with config. my fifo io card (startech 16650A). > If I type "cat /dev/cuaa1" (on other cu* cat write "operation not > permitted"..or something like it) and calling modem, I see only trash on > screen. "cat /dev/ttyd1" looks like big hole - nothing write back. > Does anyone know how can I config my FIFO? I don't fully understand your question, sorry. (Perhaps you should write it in a private mail to me in Russian.) Using `cat' to talk to a modem is most likely not very efficient. Use a ``modem utility'' instead, for example `cu' or `tip' (both part of the base distribution, but both require some configuration work), or `kermit' (you can configure everything on the fly, but it's not in the base system). You have to care for speed, modem control lines etc. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 3 23:18:35 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA08757 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 23:18:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de ([141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA08752 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 23:18:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id IAA03074; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 08:18:27 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id IAA03437; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 08:18:38 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.4/8.6.9) id QAA01773; Sat, 2 Mar 1996 16:37:22 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199603021537.QAA01773@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Dell Dimension P75t vs. 2.1.0-RELEASE To: mrami@minerva.cis.yale.edu Date: Sat, 2 Mar 1996 16:37:22 +0100 (MET) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Marc Ramirez" at Feb 29, 96 03:17:47 am X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk As Marc Ramirez wrote: > Main symptom: data corruption to and from hard disk (Quantum Fireball > 1GB, EIDE) > > The disk is on a wdc on the motherboard (the motherboard has two, > actually; the disk is on the primary one). The problem seems to appear > during burst activity of two or three seconds of data transfer. Copying > the bindist from the Win95 partition to the FreeBSD one results in a > bunch of corrupt files, if it completes, or a filesystem panic. Does it only happen when a ms-dog file system is involved? -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 3 23:24:32 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA09062 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 23:24:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz401.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz401.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA09055 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 23:24:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz401.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id IAA04939; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 08:24:08 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id IAA03648; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 08:24:19 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.4/8.6.9) id RAA05097; Sat, 2 Mar 1996 17:29:57 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199603021629.RAA05097@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Multisession CD-R To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Sat, 2 Mar 1996 17:29:57 +0100 (MET) Cc: hernanw@fsl.orst.edu In-Reply-To: from "Wayne Hernandez" at Feb 27, 96 09:11:59 am X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Wayne Hernandez wrote: > > FreeBSD-current supports CD-Writers, ... > Is this support in the stable branch? No, and it's unlikely to go there. -stable is not supposed to inherit new features, and the CD-R driver is considered alpha to beta quality right now anyway. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 3 23:25:28 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA09116 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 23:25:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz401.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz401.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA09108 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 23:25:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz401.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id IAA04953; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 08:24:30 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id IAA03657; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 08:24:32 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.4/8.6.9) id RAA05310; Sat, 2 Mar 1996 17:33:45 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199603021633.RAA05310@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Need 2.0.5 fixit floppy To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Sat, 2 Mar 1996 17:33:44 +0100 (MET) Cc: fergal@odyssey.ucc.ie In-Reply-To: <9602281035.AA25266@odyssey.ucc.ie> from "Fergal Lane" at Feb 28, 96 10:35:05 am X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Fergal Lane wrote: > I badly need a fixit floppy that will work with FreeBSD 2.0.5. > Is there a fixit floppy available specifically for FreeBSD 2.0.5? Use the boot/fixit floppy pair from 2.1. You should be able to fix a 2.0.5 system with it as well. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 3 23:44:24 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA09825 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 23:44:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mramirez.sy.yale.edu ([130.132.57.207]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA09820 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 1996 23:44:19 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mrami@localhost) by mramirez.sy.yale.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id CAA12668; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 02:43:55 -0500 Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 02:43:54 -0500 (EST) From: Marc Ramirez Reply-To: mrami@minerva.cis.yale.edu To: J Wunsch cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Dell Dimension P75t vs. 2.1.0-RELEASE In-Reply-To: <199603021537.QAA01773@uriah.heep.sax.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Sat, 2 Mar 1996, J Wunsch wrote: > As Marc Ramirez wrote: > > > Main symptom: data corruption to and from hard disk (Quantum Fireball > > 1GB, EIDE) > > Does it only happen when a ms-dog file system is involved? Nope. I thought of that possibility, then I tried this from the holographic shell: $ cp /dos/fbsd/bin/* . [data is corrupt but system seems to be happy] $ cat * > /dev/null [churns for a bit, then I get a panic due to some fs structure being corrupt, different every time] The BIOS doesn't seem to have too many knobs for me to frob... I've rounded up another small disk and I am trying to find an old cheap IDE controller. I'll mess around a bit and try to confirm my suspicion that the on-board IDE and FBSD don't get along. Unfortunately, the computer has to be enlisted into real work soon, so I don't have much time to play around with it. Ideally, FBSD will work in some manner, and I can play around with the driver later. Marc. -- There has been as great a proliferation of lawyers in the past 20 years as there has been a proliferation of computers, and unlike computers, lawyers do not get twice as intelligent and half as expensive every two years. -- E. Burns, "S.F. Bay Guardian" From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 4 00:21:31 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA11468 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 00:21:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz401.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz401.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA11458 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 00:21:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz401.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id JAA06686; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 09:20:40 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id JAA03920; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 09:20:37 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.4/8.6.9) id IAA09702; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 08:55:14 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199603040755.IAA09702@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: your mail To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 08:55:14 +0100 (MET) Cc: joluca@mbox1.ufsc.br Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199603012158.RAA09866@mbox1> from "joluca@mbox1.ufsc.br" at Mar 1, 96 06:45:30 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > I would like in DOSEMU for FreeBSD. I have much dos binaries files and I interessed in this program. There's a `pcemu' in the port. It's a software emulation of an 8086, and a BIOS emulation for text mode. It runs almost all text-mode DOS applications. `dosemu' is more complicated, it requires a VM86 mode. Nobody seems to have done it by now. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 4 00:52:02 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA12979 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 00:52:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz401.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz401.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA12935 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 00:51:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz401.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id JAA08229; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 09:50:55 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id JAA04167; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 09:50:54 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.4/8.6.9) id JAA10105; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 09:37:06 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199603040837.JAA10105@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: cgi script To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 09:37:06 +0100 (MET) Cc: narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199603021618.SAA22791@grumble.grondar.za> from "Mark Murray" at Mar 2, 96 06:18:07 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Mark Murray wrote: > > > I have writen some code that simplifies writing cgi scripts in C... I am > > > wondering if FreeBSD would in interested in include the library with > > > FreeBSD's source... > This is a great gesture! I am sure all of us are pleased! I think this should be made a `port'. We could put the distfile on freefall easily. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 4 01:25:32 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA15368 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 01:25:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA15079 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 01:21:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id KAA07949; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 10:20:57 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id KAA04344; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 10:20:57 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.4/8.6.9) id JAA10537; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 09:59:41 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199603040859.JAA10537@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: FreeBSD installation problems To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 09:59:41 +0100 (MET) Cc: philh@cdngateway.pe.ca (Phil Holmstrom Technician) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <313784DC.274C@cdngateway.pe.ca> from "Phil Holmstrom Technician" at Mar 1, 96 03:14:36 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Phil Holmstrom Technician wrote: > When I pick the connection device lp0 it is not able > to reset it and the installation dies from that point. We are using a > pent 100 and our ethernet card is an Intel Pro Ethernet Express 100 b > card with all the factory default settings. :-) lp0 is the ``PLIP'' device, using a laplink cable on your printer port. The Intel EtherExpress Pro ain't supported in the 2.1 distribution, though there is a driver available in -current (and i think it went into the -stable branch recently). -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 4 01:30:43 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA15707 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 01:30:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA15075 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 01:21:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id KAA07940 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 10:20:55 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id KAA04338; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 10:20:38 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.4/8.6.9) id JAA10489; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 09:53:23 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199603040853.JAA10489@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: re : first joint To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 09:53:23 +0100 (MET) Cc: subzoner@cbn.net.id (Okto Suryadi Lie) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <15140106403177@cbn.net.id> from "Okto Suryadi Lie" at Mar 3, 96 10:14:01 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Okto Suryadi Lie wrote: > Hi, I would like to know about FreeBSD. > Could you send me any matter about this? Do you have full Internet access? If so, you might wanna try the World Wide Web at http://www.freebsd.org/ -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 4 01:56:13 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA17196 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 01:56:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA17184 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 01:56:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id UAA12563; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 20:25:27 +1030 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199603040955.UAA12563@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: FIFO question To: j@uriah.heep.sax.de (J Wunsch) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 20:25:26 +1030 (CST) Cc: MAX@mics.msu.su, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199603021551.QAA02712@uriah.heep.sax.de> from "J Wunsch" at Mar 2, 96 04:51:54 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk J Wunsch stands accused of saying: > > As Mad Phantom wrote: > > > I have problems with config. my fifo io card (startech 16650A). The 16650 may or may not work. I would expect it to be detected as a 16550. > > If I type "cat /dev/cuaa1" (on other cu* cat write "operation not > > permitted"..or something like it) and calling modem, I see only trash on > > screen. "cat /dev/ttyd1" looks like big hole - nothing write back. > > Does anyone know how can I config my FIFO? > > I don't fully understand your question, sorry. (Perhaps you should > write it in a private mail to me in Russian.) > > Using `cat' to talk to a modem is most likely not very efficient. Use > a ``modem utility'' instead, for example `cu' or `tip' (both part of > the base distribution, but both require some configuration work), or > `kermit' (you can configure everything on the fly, but it's not in the > base system). 'cu' requires no configuration work (hooray for Taylor!). You can say cu -s 38400 -l /dev/cuaa1 and expect to be connected to your modem. Type ~. to exit, but be prepared to wait 10 seconds or longer before getting your prompt back. > You have to care for speed, modem control lines etc. The 'sio' driver tries very hard to do the Right Thing with control lines. > cheers, J"org -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 4 02:01:19 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA17755 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 02:01:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA17485 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 01:59:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id KAA09086 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 10:54:25 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id KAA04511 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 10:54:24 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.4/8.6.9) id KAA00456 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 10:46:55 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199603040946.KAA00456@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: using ddb to debug a double-panic? To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 10:46:55 +0100 (MET) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199603020859.AAA13750@Root.COM> from "David Greenman" at Mar 2, 96 00:59:04 am X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As David Greenman wrote: > >Is there a simple sequence I can type into ddb to switch stack > pointers and >frames so I can do a "where" to see where I was when > the first panic occured? > I thought about writing some extensions to "trace" to allow it to > apply a (operator supplied) 'stack offset' that would be used to > adjust the pushed FPs (for precisely the purpose of what you're > requesting above). What's wrong with the ``dyadic frame specification''? (``frame new-fp new-pc'') -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 4 02:07:59 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA18045 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 02:07:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA18040 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 02:07:54 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id VAA05866; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 21:02:38 +1100 Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 21:02:38 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199603041002.VAA05866@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: julian@ref.tfs.com, rashid@rk.ios.com Subject: Re: pwd_mkdb - really slow :( Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >> I have quite afew systems here with ~10.00 accounts >> on ea ... and pwd_mkdb is _very slow now ... Takes >> 2+ minutes to rebuild the damn databases every time. I have only 14 accounts (12 distribution ones, bde and ftp), so I created dummy master.passwd files with thousands of accounts named "nobodyNNNNN" (NNNN = 0-29999) to test this. A real password file may take longer. On a P133, for 15014 accounts, `pwd_mkd -d /usr/tmp /usr/tmp/dummy_passwd' took about 39 seconds real, 3 user, 4 sys. For 30014 accounts, it took about 234 seconds real, 7 user, 16 sys. The main problem is obviously that the disk cache doesn't really work. ufs writes full blocks as soon as possible. This gives very poor performance for random writes if the same block is written many times. db often does this. I think it can be programmed to do more buffering in memory, but often isn't. kvm_mkdb was speeded up by a factor of about 5 by rewriting it to use mmap and more buffering; now it is only about twice as slow as the old version would be with a working disk cache ;-). >it might also be quicker to build the entire databse in ram >and bang it out to disk as a single write.. :) Not much, if write() is suitably buffered. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 4 03:07:18 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA21090 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 03:07:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from fgwmail.fujitsu.co.jp (fgwmail.fujitsu.co.jp [164.71.1.133]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA21084 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 03:07:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from fdmmail.fujitsu.co.jp by fgwmail.fujitsu.co.jp (8.7.4+2.6Wbeta6/3.3W5-MX960213-Fujitsu Mail Gateway) id UAA05359; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 20:07:06 +0900 (JST) Received: from sphinx.sysrap.cs.fujitsu.co.jp by fdmmail.fujitsu.co.jp (8.6.12+2.5Wb4/3.3W5-MX960229-Fujitsu Domain Mail Master) id UAA27352; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 20:06:34 +0900 Received: (from seki@localhost) by sphinx.sysrap.cs.fujitsu.co.jp (8.6.12+2.5Wb7/3.4W-) id UAA11650; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 20:03:11 +0900 Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 20:03:11 +0900 From: Masahiro SEKIGUCHI Message-Id: <199603041103.UAA11650@sphinx.sysrap.cs.fujitsu.co.jp> To: FreeBSD-core@FreeBSD.ORG, FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: h-kimura@tokyo.se.fujitsu.co.jp Subject: Updated fe Ethernet driver for 960226 SNAP Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Dear FreeBSD core team and hackers, I just put the updated version of my fe driver on freefall, as: ftp://freefall.cdrom.com/incoming/fe-960303.tar.gz This is a revised fe, Ethernet driver for MB8696x based adapters. This version is based on and tested with 960226 SNAP. I want someone in the core team to replace the fe driver in the latest kernel source tree with this new one. Updated files are: /usr/src/sys/i386/isa/if_fe.c /usr/src/sys/i386/isa/if_fereg.h /usr/share/man/man4/fe.4.gz I also want to see the "device fe0" line in the GENERIC kernel config file. I believe it's worth to do so; the driver is surely stable after one year experience, and, as you know, availability of a network adapter driver in the system install floppy is critical for easy installation. Suggested config line for fe is: device fe0 at isa? port 0x300 net irq ? vector feintr Major changes from 960226 SNAP: More adapter models are supported: Fujitsu FMV-183/184 and some older models of Allied-Telesis AT1700 are added. Preliminary support for PC cards: Fujitsu MBH10302 PCMCIA Ethernet adapter now works on FreeBSD. More reliable adapter probe. Fixes of some (mostly small) bugs. Please contact M. Sekiguchi for any questions and/or bug reports. Have fun, From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 4 03:09:01 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA21259 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 03:09:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from colin.muc.de (root@colin.muc.de [193.174.4.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA21251 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 03:08:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from [193.174.4.22] ([193.174.4.22]) by colin.muc.de with SMTP id <86026-2>; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 12:07:58 +0100 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 11:07:18 +0100 To: marc@bowtie.nl From: Lutz Albers Subject: Re: Problem implementing a general faxpopup for FreeBSD Cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk In article <199603031048.LAA08436@nietzsche.bowtie.nl>, Marc van Kempen writes: -The problem however is that the DISPLAY environment variable -does not seem to get passed to the faxpopup, but I need to -know that to be able to support users working on a remote display. I think you'll have some problems here. The filters are started by lpd and run therefore euid to the id of lpd (which is root or daemon). So, unless you're using xhost (which is NOT recomended!), you don't have authorization to use the DISPLAY (at least under R6 and xauth). I don't thing that it is good idea to provide a daemon with an user interface. ciao lutz --------------------------------------------------------------------- Lutz Albers | What's good ? Luederitzstr. 14, 81929-Muenchen, Germany | Life's good - email:lutz@muc.de ph: +49-89-93940364 | But not fair at all http://www.muc.de/~lutz fax:+49-89-93940365 | (Lou Reed) Do not take life too seriously, you will never get out of it alive. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 4 03:56:32 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA24654 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 03:56:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail1.digital.com ([204.123.2.50]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA24649 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 03:56:30 -0800 (PST) From: garyj@frt.dec.com Received: from cssmuc.frt.dec.com by mail1.digital.com (5.65 EXP 4/12/95 for V3.2/1.0/WV) id AA13201; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 03:52:13 -0800 Received: from localhost by cssmuc.frt.dec.com; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/14Nov95-0232PM) id AA25459; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 12:51:47 +0100 Message-Id: <9603041151.AA25459@cssmuc.frt.dec.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.4 10/10/95 To: hackers%freebsd.org@inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com In-Reply-To: Message from J Wunsch of Mon, 04 Mar 96 10:46:55 +0100. Reply-To: gjennejohn@frt.dec.com Subject: Re: using ddb to debug a double-panic? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 04 Mar 96 12:51:47 +0100 X-Mts: smtp Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk j@uriah.heep.sax.de writes: > As David Greenman wrote: > > I thought about writing some extensions to "trace" to allow it to > > apply a (operator supplied) 'stack offset' that would be used to > > adjust the pushed FPs (for precisely the purpose of what you're > > requesting above). > > What's wrong with the ``dyadic frame specification''? > > (``frame new-fp new-pc'') > does that work in ddb (I haven't used it enough to know :-) ? --- Gary Jennejohn (work) gjennejohn@frt.dec.com (home) Gary.Jennejohn@munich.netsurf.de (play) gj@freebsd.org From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 4 04:24:14 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA26676 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 04:24:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from dyson.iquest.net ([198.70.144.127]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA26671 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 04:24:11 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by dyson.iquest.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) id HAA01155; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 07:19:31 GMT From: "John S. Dyson" Message-Id: <199603040719.HAA01155@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Re: pwd_mkdb - really slow :( To: bde@zeta.org.au (Bruce Evans) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 07:19:30 +0000 () Cc: julian@ref.tfs.com, rashid@rk.ios.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199603041002.VAA05866@godzilla.zeta.org.au> from "Bruce Evans" at Mar 4, 96 09:02:38 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > same block is written many times. db often does this. I think it can > be programmed to do more buffering in memory, but often isn't. kvm_mkdb > was speeded up by a factor of about 5 by rewriting it to use mmap and > more buffering; now it is only about twice as slow as the old version > would be with a working disk cache ;-). > > >it might also be quicker to build the entire databse in ram > >and bang it out to disk as a single write.. :) > > Not much, if write() is suitably buffered. > Ahh... Come on, you know that the disk cache works, it simply does not write-behind as much as you would like. It read-caches very nicely. John From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 4 04:28:03 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA26839 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 04:28:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from max3 ([192.115.74.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA26802 Mon, 4 Mar 1996 04:27:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from pituach.ta.ladpc.gov.il (pituach.ta.ladpc.gov.il [147.236.1.13]) by max3 (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA08855; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 14:20:29 +0200 Received: from jmpc01 (jmpc00.ta.ladpc.gov.il [147.236.200.100]) by pituach.ta.ladpc.gov.il (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA34561; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 14:30:40 -0600 Message-Id: <199603042030.OAA34561@pituach.ta.ladpc.gov.il> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: yonib@ladpc.gov.il To: FREEBSD-HACKERS@FreeBSD.ORG, FREEBSD-QUESTIONS@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 14:21:35 +0000 Subject: token-ring, windoze, etc.. Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk hi, all I sent this mail yesterday to the FREEBSD_QUESTIONS so i'm sorry if someone has to read it again. I've installed freebsd on my pentium 90 and am having fun. I have 3 questions that will help me kick out my windows partition and not touch it unless i have to. a) is there freebsd support for token ring (i have olicom token ring card). my windows & netscape work with winsock.dll b) is there support for novell disks (over the same token ring) c) what's the latest on WINE (is it stable? what can be run on it?) thanks. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ..Without C we'd probably be programming in Basi and Pasal ..Screw the prime directive, release windows on the borg. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Yoni Bar-Lavie Israel local authorities data processing center - JLM E-Address: yonib@ladpc.gov.il Voice: 972-2-296869 Fax: 972-2-297040 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 4 06:12:05 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA02438 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 06:12:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA02387 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 06:12:01 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id BAA16147; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 01:10:14 +1100 Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 01:10:14 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199603041410.BAA16147@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: bde@zeta.org.au, toor@dyson.iquest.net Subject: Re: pwd_mkdb - really slow :( Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, julian@ref.tfs.com, rashid@rk.ios.com Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >> >it might also be quicker to build the entire databse in ram >> >and bang it out to disk as a single write.. :) >> >> Not much, if write() is suitably buffered. >> >Ahh... Come on, you know that the disk cache works, it simply does not >write-behind as much as you would like. It read-caches very nicely. It has esentially no write-behind. This is harmful for more than highly random writes: $ du -ks /sys/ 15238 $ time tar cf /dev/null /sys/ 10.25 real 0.15 user 1.18 sys $ expr 15328 \* 100 / 1025 1495 # K/s read, not great $ time tar cf /dev/null /sys/ 2.98 real 0.11 user 1.04 sys $ expr 15328 \* 100 / 298 5143 # K/s read, good (?) (I think the previous step cached all data or all metadata, not sure which) $ cd /c/tmp # /c is mounted with -o async and is on same disk as /sys/ $ time cp -pR /sys/ . 39.63 real 0.10 user 3.02 sys $ expr 15238 / 59 386 # K/s read+write, caching was ineffective $ iozone 256 8192 # iozone 16 would move about the same amount of data, but caches too effectively to be accurate 4623837 bytes/second for writing the file 5087316 bytes/second for writing the file $ expr 386 \* 1024 \* 2 \* 100 \( 4623837 + 5087316 \) 8 # % efficiency BTW, for 30000 password entries, pwd.db and spwd.db were 9.5MB each. Keeping them all in real memory, either in user space or in the disk cache, would at best have barely worked on the 32MB system that I tested on. A system 32MB of memory, especially one with only one disk, probably shouldn't allow anywhere near 18MB of pending writes even if there is currently RAM to spare, because it would take too long to satisfy future RAM requirements. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 4 06:36:57 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA03542 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 06:36:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA03532 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 06:36:54 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id BAA17035; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 01:35:44 +1100 Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 01:35:44 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199603041435.BAA17035@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: bde@zeta.org.au, toor@dyson.iquest.net Subject: Re: pwd_mkdb - really slow :( Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, julian@ref.tfs.com, rashid@rk.ios.com Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I wrote: > $ expr 386 \* 1024 \* 2 \* 100 \( 4623837 + 5087316 \) > 8 # % efficiency This should be $ expr 386 \* 1024 \* 2 \* 100 / \( 4623837 + 5087316 \) \* 2 16 # % efficiency Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 4 06:53:32 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA05247 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 06:53:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA05233 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 06:53:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id PAA06583 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 15:51:00 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id PAA07236 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 15:51:00 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.4/8.6.9) id PAA01491 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 15:39:42 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199603041439.PAA01491@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: using ddb to debug a double-panic? To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 15:39:41 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <9603041151.AA25459@cssmuc.frt.dec.com> from "garyj@frt.dec.com" at Mar 4, 96 12:51:47 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As garyj@frt.dec.com wrote: > > What's wrong with the ``dyadic frame specification''? > > > > (``frame new-fp new-pc'') > does that work in ddb (I haven't used it enough to know :-) ? Aaaaieeh. Somebody should gimme the conical hat! <:) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 4 07:33:53 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA08256 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 07:33:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from tfs.com (tfs.com [140.145.250.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA08251 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 07:33:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from critter.tfs.com by tfs.com (smail3.1.28.1) with SMTP id m0ttbfo-0003w1C; Mon, 4 Mar 96 06:55 PST Received: from localhost.tfs.com (localhost.tfs.com [127.0.0.1]) by critter.tfs.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA14932; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 14:33:11 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: critter.tfs.com: Host localhost.tfs.com didn't use HELO protocol To: J Wunsch cc: MAX@mics.msu.su (Mad Phantom), hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FIFO question In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 02 Mar 1996 16:51:54 +0100." <199603021551.QAA02712@uriah.heep.sax.de> Date: Mon, 04 Mar 1996 14:33:10 +0000 Message-ID: <14930.825949990@critter.tfs.com> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > As Mad Phantom wrote: > > > I have problems with config. my fifo io card (startech 16650A). The 16650 works OK for me fyi. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | phk@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD Core-team. http://www.freebsd.org/~phk | phk@login.dknet.dk Private mailbox. whois: [PHK] | phk@ref.tfs.com TRW Financial Systems, Inc. Future will arrive by its own means, progress not so. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 4 07:35:27 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA08427 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 07:35:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns.cdngateway.pe.ca (cdngateway.pe.ca [205.151.204.66]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA08400 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 07:35:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from by ns.cdngateway.pe.ca with SMTP (IPAD 0.9.8) id 3436100 ; Mon, 04 Mar 96 11:34:42 UTC Message-ID: <313B4505.3088@cdngateway.pe.ca> Date: Mon, 04 Mar 1996 11:31:17 -0800 From: Phil Holmstrom Technician Organization: Canadian Gateway Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: installation for a system with an Intel EthernetExpress 100b card Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Anyone happen to have a boot disk for freebsd with the driver for the Intel 100b ethernet card? If so could you email me some info on where I can possible get it. Thanks Phil Holmstrom From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 4 09:47:11 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA16583 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 09:47:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA16508 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 09:44:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id SAA12756 ; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 18:41:49 +0100 Received: from (uucp@localhost) by blaise.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with UUCP id SAA04384 ; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 18:41:48 +0100 Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.7.3/keltia-uucp-2.7) id IAA17378; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 08:53:28 +0100 (MET) From: Ollivier Robert Message-Id: <199603040753.IAA17378@keltia.freenix.fr> Subject: Re: can't compile the kernel... To: monboso@masternet.it (Amedeo Beck Peccoz) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 08:53:28 +0100 (MET) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199603032056.VAA05615@masternet.it> from Amedeo Beck Peccoz at "Mar 3, 96 09:58:05 pm" X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT ctm#1729 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL11 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk It seems that Amedeo Beck Peccoz said: > Tried to compile my kernel, but got the following: > kern_sysctl.o: Undefined symbol '_hw_float' referenced from text segment As written in the LINT file, the npx0 line is NOT optionnal. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@keltia.frmug.fr.net FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 2.2-CURRENT #1: Tue Feb 20 01:16:51 MET 1996 From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 4 10:11:29 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA17441 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 10:11:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA17412 Mon, 4 Mar 1996 10:11:19 -0800 (PST) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA06209; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 11:08:11 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199603041808.LAA06209@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: token-ring, windoze, etc.. To: yonib@ladpc.gov.il Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 11:08:11 -0700 (MST) Cc: FREEBSD-HACKERS@FreeBSD.ORG, FREEBSD-QUESTIONS@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199603042030.OAA34561@pituach.ta.ladpc.gov.il> from "yonib@ladpc.gov.il" at Mar 4, 96 02:21:35 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > I sent this mail yesterday to the FREEBSD_QUESTIONS so i'm sorry if > someone has to read it again. Few of us read/respond to mail on Sunday. I didn't respond because the answers are FAQ's or the questions don't make sense. > I've installed freebsd on my pentium 90 and am having fun. > I have 3 questions that will help me kick out my windows partition > and not touch it unless i have to. > > a) is there freebsd support for token ring (i have olicom token ring > card). my windows & netscape work with winsock.dll Token Ring isn't supported. No one who wants a driver and has a test bed has so far been willing to write the necessary code. Those who do have test beds are trying to get rid of token ring at their site and don't need yet another instance of a legacy system. > b) is there support for novell disks (over the same token ring) Do you mean mounting the disks as local file systems? No, this is not supported; it is unlikely to be supported, since the NetWare FS relies on having a lot of crap in memory for trustee (~1M of RAM per 100M of disk) and directory hash and other calculation. It has no concept of cache locality. Do you mean FreeBSD as a client? There is a Linux client FS on the Samba FS site. Because of the difference in authentication model between UNIX systems (user authenticates, many users possible) and NetWare (connection authenticates; one connection per machine), it is difficult to resolve the multiple user question. When I was at Novell, it took us ~18 man years to resolve the problem (6 engineers over 3 years) and it was never resolved satisfactorily. The Linux SMBFS and NetWare Client FS are both unsatisfactory. Do you mean FreeBSD as a server? Contact "Puzzle Systems"; they sell source code and precompiled servers for a lot of platforms; you could ask for a port, or use an x86 UNIX version under an ABI (this would probably require work on the ABI). Note that the "login" and "slist" and "nlist" programs are all part of the server distribution from Novell, so Puzzle can't provide these. You have to have at least one *real* NetWare server to have legal copies of these programs. Note also that the Puzzle code does not support NDS; it can only handle bindery requests (so it's a 3.x server, not a 4.x), and as such, it can not be used in a pure 4.x installation -- so SAP traffic is still a real problem. > c) what's the latest on WINE (is it stable? what can be run on it?) You should read the WINE FAQ. Look for it at ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/ WINE still can't run most code, and still reports false statistics for interface coverage by using (N/(N+1)) to get the percentage of covered interfaces (ie: it always counts only one failure for N successes, since it stops after the first failure). TWIN (the program from Willows) is reported to be sufficiently ported to run Microsoft Excel and most other Windows programs, so you should probably use that instead until WINE improves. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 4 10:22:31 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA18105 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 10:22:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA18100 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 10:22:29 -0800 (PST) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA06257; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 11:19:00 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199603041819.LAA06257@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: xfs not working properly To: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Smith) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 11:19:00 -0700 (MST) Cc: monboso@masternet.it, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199603040033.LAA09216@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> from "Michael Smith" at Mar 4, 96 11:03:29 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk [ ... re: using xfs ... ] > Please get your facts straight here. The FreeBSD NFS server is not "much > slower", the problem is that the _DOS_clients_ are "much slower". The DOS clients are generally broken, unless they have local cache, but the FreeBSD NFS server is also "much slower". As I pointed out in my previous posting, since the protocol is stateless, effectively the vnode is looked up and freed on each reference. Since the cache in FreeBSD is vnode/extent based, not device/extent based, this results in basically *zero* cache hits. There are several lame ways around this that really break FreeBSD. I won't go into them because I don't want to see them implemented. There is a lame side effect of a correct change that would mask the problem somewhat (if the name cache lookup were moved out of the per FS code, as it should be, and cache entries were treated as vnode reference instances, then the vnode would stay in cache). And there is the real fix (go to device/extent based caching and clean up most of vfs_subr.c, especially the vclean crap), which introduces a 2G limit on logical device size instead of just a 2G limit on open file size. Unless we eat the additional overhead for 64 bit offsets in the VM systems. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 4 10:25:37 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA18189 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 10:25:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA18178 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 10:25:34 -0800 (PST) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA06269; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 11:21:45 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199603041821.LAA06269@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: pwd_mkdb - really slow :( To: julian@ref.tfs.com (JULIAN Elischer) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 11:21:44 -0700 (MST) Cc: rashid@rk.ios.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199603040341.TAA27629@ref.tfs.com> from "JULIAN Elischer" at Mar 3, 96 07:41:43 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > As I understand it, changes were made to do single-point > changes, and to speed all this up in the 'passwd' case. As I understand it, these changes were never committed. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 4 10:26:07 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA18233 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 10:26:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA18228 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 10:26:04 -0800 (PST) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA06283; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 11:23:03 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199603041823.LAA06283@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: can't compile the kernel... To: roberto@keltia.freenix.fr (Ollivier Robert) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 11:23:03 -0700 (MST) Cc: monboso@masternet.it, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199603040753.IAA17378@keltia.freenix.fr> from "Ollivier Robert" at Mar 4, 96 08:53:28 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > It seems that Amedeo Beck Peccoz said: > > Tried to compile my kernel, but got the following: > > kern_sysctl.o: Undefined symbol '_hw_float' referenced from text segment > > As written in the LINT file, the npx0 line is NOT optionnal. This is stupid. Why is it still in files.i386 as optional? Why is an option used to include it or not include it? This is a data problem, not a documentation problem. Change the files.i386 data. PLEASE. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 4 10:39:33 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA18921 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 10:39:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from bacall.lodgenet.com ([205.138.147.242]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA18915 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 10:39:28 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by bacall.lodgenet.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA09382 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 12:33:50 -0600 Received: from tserv.lodgenet.com(204.124.120.10) by bacall via smap (V1.3) id sma009340; Mon Mar 4 12:33:50 1996 Received: from jake.lodgenet.com (jake.lodgenet.com [204.124.120.30]) by tserv.lodgenet.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA04915 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 12:00:43 -0600 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jake.lodgenet.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA09741 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 12:12:54 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199603041812.MAA09741@jake.lodgenet.com> X-Authentication-Warning: jake.lodgenet.com: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.2 7/18/95 To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: C++ and wierd symbols Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 04 Mar 1996 12:12:53 -0600 From: "Eric L. Hernes" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk howdy, I'm trying to compile some c++ stuff and I'm getting wierd link errors, like c++ is trying to overload some functions. does anyone have a clue as what's wrong? here's the source that makes the call: from `editor.c' ... picture = pnm_readpnm(in_pipe,&cols,&rows,&maxval,&format); if(picture==NULL) ... the reference to pnm_readpnm() somehow gets translated into _pnm_readpnm__FP7__sFILEPiT1PUsT1(), 'cause the link line reports: editor.o: Undefined symbol `_pnm_readpnm__FP7__sFILEPiT1PUsT1' referenced from text segment editor.o: Undefined symbol `_pnm_promoteformat__FPP5pixeliiUsiUsi' referenced from text segment editor.o: Undefined symbol `_pnm_promoteformat__FPP5pixeliiUsiUsi' referenced from text segment editor.o: Undefined symbol `_pnm_promoteformat__FPP5pixeliiUsiUsi' referenced from text segment editor.o: Undefined symbol `_pm_freearray__FPPci' referenced from text segment editor.o: Undefined symbol `_pm_allocarray__Fiii' referenced from text segment editor.o: Undefined symbol `_ppm_writeppm__FP7__sFILEPP5pixeliiUsi' referenced from text segment editor.o: Undefined symbol `_pm_freearray__FPPci' referenced from text segment *** Error code 1 help. eric. -- erich@lodgenet.com erich@rrnet.com From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 4 11:19:36 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA20873 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 11:19:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov (fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.131.171]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA20868 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 11:19:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA14026; Mon, 4 Mar 96 13:19:30 -0600 Received: by emu.fsl.noaa.gov (1.38.193.4/SMI-4.1 (1.38.193.4)) id AA00471; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 12:19:29 -0700 Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 12:19:29 -0700 Message-Id: <9603041919.AA00471@emu.fsl.noaa.gov> From: Sean Kelly To: erich@lodgenet.com Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199603041812.MAA09741@jake.lodgenet.com> (erich@lodgenet.com) Subject: Re: C++ and wierd symbols Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> "Eric" == "Eric L Hernes" writes: Eric> I'm trying to compile some c++ stuff and I'm getting wierd Eric> link errors, like c++ is trying to overload some functions. Eric> does anyone have a clue as what's wrong? Yep. You need extern "C" { void pnm_readpnm(whatever, whatever, ...); // Other functions declarations. } somewhere in editor.c. When you use C++, the symbols that are generated include type information. This process is called name mangling. Since pnm_readpnm() comes from a C, NOT a C++ file, then the type information isn't included, which is why you get undefined symbols. The extern "C" declaration above tells the C++ compiler to not mangle the names of the given functions. -- Sean Kelly NOAA Forecast Systems Laboratory kelly@fsl.noaa.gov Boulder Colorado USA http://www-sdd.fsl.noaa.gov/~kelly/ From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 4 11:22:22 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA21027 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 11:22:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA21022 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 11:22:20 -0800 (PST) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id MAA06380; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 12:15:55 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199603041915.MAA06380@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: I'd like Samba To: geoff@ginsu.com (Geoff Wells) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 12:15:55 -0700 (MST) Cc: monboso@masternet.it, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Geoff Wells" at Mar 3, 96 10:39:11 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > I agree. I've been having problems as well and the documentation doesn't > seem to be up to par. Although I don't think this is the place for the > discussion (but I don't know where the right place is either ;). > > I've been trying to get my system working as well ( WFW 3.11 client with > FreeBSD 2.1 server) I can mount any publicly available drive but > something like /home just doesn't work. I can't seem to get the password > authentication working. Something I did notice is that public drives get > mounted as noboby ( ie GID, UID = 65535, 65535 ). This might explain why > I can never get the right password. > > Another thing I can't get right is the name service. I just can't seem > to manage a browsable network. All I get it "Network unavailable". :( > > If this discussion belongs in another group please tell me the list. If > you have any idea what is going on, even better. This discussion is probably better suited to the Samba mailing list. Samba could use a good "administrative walk-through" program for configuration or reconfiguration of Samba. Personally, I'd prefer a flat top-down grammar, but it isn't quite suitable for the way they handle their config files. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 4 11:32:39 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA21686 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 11:32:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from covina.lightside.com (covina.lightside.com [198.81.209.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA21681 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 11:32:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by covina.lightside.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ttfzF-0004ITC; Mon, 4 Mar 96 11:32 PST Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 11:32:01 -0800 (PST) From: Jake Hamby To: Ollivier Robert cc: Amedeo Beck Peccoz , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: can't compile the kernel... In-Reply-To: <199603040753.IAA17378@keltia.freenix.fr> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 4 Mar 1996, Ollivier Robert wrote: > It seems that Amedeo Beck Peccoz said: > > Tried to compile my kernel, but got the following: > > kern_sysctl.o: Undefined symbol '_hw_float' referenced from text segment > > As written in the LINT file, the npx0 line is NOT optionnal. Oops! Then that is a bug in my chapter of the FreeBSD handbook.. :-( I wrote that npx0 was optional if you didn't have an FPU. But I see that somebody has already fixed it in the copy on the WWW page (Section 5.3.4). I think I did a pretty decent job with that chapter, but I did make five or six dumb mistakes. Thanks for fixing them, and I guess the next version of the CD-ROM will have the corrected version... ---Jake From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 4 12:08:25 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA23850 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 12:08:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from gvr.win.tue.nl (root@gvr.win.tue.nl [131.155.210.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA23814 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 12:07:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by gvr.win.tue.nl (8.6.12/1.53) id VAA14023; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 21:06:59 +0100 From: guido@gvr.win.tue.nl (Guido van Rooij) Message-Id: <199603042006.VAA14023@gvr.win.tue.nl> Subject: Re: pwd_mkdb - really slow :( To: julian@ref.tfs.com (JULIAN Elischer) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 21:06:59 +0100 (MET) Cc: rashid@rk.ios.com, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199603040341.TAA27629@ref.tfs.com> from "JULIAN Elischer" at Mar 3, 96 07:41:43 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > As I understand it, changes were made to do single-point > changes, and to speed all this up in the 'passwd' case. > yep. That's what I did. It is still hanging around here, but I want to commit it soon, possible protected with an #ifdef. I made patches for every command that changes a single user at a time, chpass and friends, passwd, yppasswdd, pwd_mkdb. I did not do adduser (yet). Things are harder for vipw, as: > to speed up mkpwd you would need a 'diff' file of > before and after' and do the changes as a set of single-point changes. > This requires that you trust the passwd.master and the database > files to be correctly in sync. > And you should calculate a turnaround point where it is more wise to completely rebuild the databases. > > > > > > > I have quite afew systems here with ~10.00 accounts > > on ea ... and pwd_mkdb is _very slow now ... Takes > > 2+ minutes to rebuild the damn databases every time. This should go back to a few seconds, depending on the size of your *pwd.db files. -Guido From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 4 12:28:38 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA24643 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 12:28:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA24638 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 12:28:32 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id HAA27955; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 07:26:00 +1100 Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 07:26:00 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199603042026.HAA27955@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: roberto@keltia.freenix.fr, terry@lambert.org Subject: Re: can't compile the kernel... Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, monboso@masternet.it Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >> As written in the LINT file, the npx0 line is NOT optionnal. >This is stupid. >Why is it still in files.i386 as optional? Why is an option used >to include it or not include it? It's almost optional in -current. The link problem went away several months ago when some sysctl stuff was improved. The driver can probably be left out on a stripped down system without any npx hardware or math emulators. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 4 14:09:18 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA02610 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 14:09:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from jolt.eng.umd.edu (jolt.eng.umd.edu [129.2.102.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA02602 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 14:08:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from skipper.eng.umd.edu (skipper.eng.umd.edu [129.2.98.208]) by jolt.eng.umd.edu (8.7.3/8.7) with ESMTP id RAA19125; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 17:08:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (from chuckr@localhost) by skipper.eng.umd.edu (8.7.4/8.7) id RAA13837; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 17:08:47 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 17:08:47 -0500 (EST) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@skipper.eng.umd.edu To: "Eric L. Hernes" cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: C++ and wierd symbols In-Reply-To: <199603041812.MAA09741@jake.lodgenet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 4 Mar 1996, Eric L. Hernes wrote: > > howdy, > > I'm trying to compile some c++ stuff and I'm getting wierd > link errors, like c++ is trying to overload some functions. > does anyone have a clue as what's wrong? > > here's the source that makes the call: > > from `editor.c' > ... > picture = pnm_readpnm(in_pipe,&cols,&rows,&maxval,&format); > if(picture==NULL) > ... > > the reference to pnm_readpnm() somehow gets translated into > _pnm_readpnm__FP7__sFILEPiT1PUsT1(), 'cause the link line > reports: > editor.o: Undefined symbol `_pnm_readpnm__FP7__sFILEPiT1PUsT1' referenced from > text segment > editor.o: Undefined symbol `_pnm_promoteformat__FPP5pixeliiUsiUsi' referenced Eric, in C++ the function call some_func(int) is completely different than the call some_func(double) or some_func(char). The string of types being returned, and the class of the function, are encoded in the name that you see from the linker, and you have to be able to convert. There are two ways to do this. You can get the Annotated C++ Reference Manual (often called the ARM) and look up the rules in there. A second way, if you're using the gcc compiler, is to use a tool called c++filt. You just pipe any listing you have with those funny characters into it, and out spits fully qualified function names. Great for debugging. For gcc 2.6.3, you have to get the gnu binutils, its one of the utilities that get built. If you try that, about half of the binutils won't build, and that's perfectly all right, because c++filt will build. Alternatively, mail me and I'll send you the binary; WARNING, my binary was built using current, and wants the 2.2 libc. > from text segment > editor.o: Undefined symbol `_pnm_promoteformat__FPP5pixeliiUsiUsi' referenced > from text segment > editor.o: Undefined symbol `_pnm_promoteformat__FPP5pixeliiUsiUsi' referenced > from text segment > editor.o: Undefined symbol `_pm_freearray__FPPci' referenced from text segment > editor.o: Undefined symbol `_pm_allocarray__Fiii' referenced from text segment > editor.o: Undefined symbol `_ppm_writeppm__FP7__sFILEPP5pixeliiUsi' referenced > from text segment > editor.o: Undefined symbol `_pm_freearray__FPPci' referenced from text segment > *** Error code 1 > > > help. > > eric. > > -- > erich@lodgenet.com > erich@rrnet.com > > ========================================================================== Chuck Robey chuckr@eng.umd.edu, I run FreeBSD-current on n3lxx + Journey2 Three Accounts for the Super-users in the sky, Seven for the Operators in their halls of fame, Nine for Ordinary Users doomed to crie, One for the Illegal Cracker with his evil game In the Domains of Internet where the data lie. One Account to rule them all, One Account to watch them, One Account to make them all and in the network bind them. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 4 14:51:03 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA05518 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 14:51:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from gvr.win.tue.nl (root@gvr.win.tue.nl [131.155.210.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA05343 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 14:49:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by gvr.win.tue.nl (8.6.12/1.53) id XAA14460; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 23:48:57 +0100 From: guido@gvr.win.tue.nl (Guido van Rooij) Message-Id: <199603042248.XAA14460@gvr.win.tue.nl> Subject: Re: pwd_mkdb - really slow :( To: terry@lambert.org (Terry Lambert) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 23:48:57 +0100 (MET) Cc: julian@ref.tfs.com, rashid@rk.ios.com, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199603041821.LAA06269@phaeton.artisoft.com> from "Terry Lambert" at Mar 4, 96 11:21:44 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Terry Lambert wrote: > > > As I understand it, changes were made to do single-point > > changes, and to speed all this up in the 'passwd' case. > > As I understand it, these changes were never committed. Patience, patience. -Guido From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 4 14:55:36 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA05886 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 14:55:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA05875 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 14:55:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA14402; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 09:29:32 +1030 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199603042259.JAA14402@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Linux IDL running under -current! To: nate@sri.MT.net (Nate Williams) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 09:29:31 +1030 (CST) Cc: handy@sag.space.lockheed.com, nate@sri.MT.net, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199603020355.UAA16736@rocky.sri.MT.net> from "Nate Williams" at Mar 1, 96 08:55:07 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Nate Williams stands accused of saying: > > > How should we coordinate things as far as 'combined pressure' is > > involved? > > I would mention that you announced something on the FreeBSD lists > regarding IDL, and some folks from Lockheed and SRI were *very* > interested in getting versions of IDL which ran under FreeBSD as well. Well, having had a _very_ short and satisfying conversation with RSI's technical support people, I'm extremely pleased to announce that the Linux version of RSI's IDL (Interactive Data Language) is working properly under FreeBSD-current. Until Peter's recent changes, the demo worked, but the license manager refused to accept valid keys. This is no longer the case. Hats off to Peter and Soren; looks like I owe a few beers around the place! (If you're after more info on IDL, http://www.rsinc.com ) -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 4 15:05:43 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA06975 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 15:05:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from sag.space.lockheed.com (sag.space.lockheed.com [192.68.162.134]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA06970 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 15:05:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by sag.space.lockheed.com; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/21Nov95-0423PM) id AA23235; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 15:05:17 -0800 Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 15:05:16 -0800 (PST) From: "Brian N. Handy" To: Michael Smith Cc: Nate Williams , hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Linux IDL running under -current! In-Reply-To: <199603042259.JAA14402@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Well, having had a _very_ short and satisfying conversation with RSI's > technical support people, I'm extremely pleased to announce that > the Linux version of RSI's IDL (Interactive Data Language) is working > properly under FreeBSD-current. Whoa! Will have I have to make any changes to anythings (I remember uname being mentioned once) to get this working, or is this now a box stock "Install -current and the Linuxulator and go"? Congratulations! I want in! Brian From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 4 15:16:55 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA08049 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 15:16:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA08044 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 15:16:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA14544; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 09:50:03 +1030 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199603042320.JAA14544@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Linux IDL running under -current! To: handy@sag.space.lockheed.com (Brian N. Handy) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 09:50:02 +1030 (CST) Cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, nate@sri.MT.net, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Brian N. Handy" at Mar 4, 96 03:05:16 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Brian N. Handy stands accused of saying: > > > Well, having had a _very_ short and satisfying conversation with RSI's > > technical support people, I'm extremely pleased to announce that > > the Linux version of RSI's IDL (Interactive Data Language) is working > > properly under FreeBSD-current. > > Whoa! Will have I have to make any changes to anythings (I remember > uname being mentioned once) to get this working, or is this now a box > stock "Install -current and the Linuxulator and go"? This machine was installed as : - Install 2.1R (bin,manpages,info,dict) and XFree86. - rdist -current source tree - make world, kernel with 'options LINUX' - reboot - install linux lib stuff (genver wants these) - install IDL. Edit all scripts in /usr/local/rsi/idl/bin and add a case for "FreeBSD" next to the "Linux" cases. - run genver, get key from RSI - create Linux-style /compat/linux/etc/host.conf, reads "order hosts,bind" - run IDL The 'uname' hack isn't so great, as the IDL scripts are run by your normal sh, so unless you alias-wrap everything, you still lose. A small hack to the shellscripts is much more civil. > Brian -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 4 15:41:42 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA09566 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 15:41:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov (fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.131.171]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA09560 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 15:41:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA16954; Mon, 4 Mar 96 17:41:36 -0600 Received: by emu.fsl.noaa.gov (1.38.193.4/SMI-4.1 (1.38.193.4)) id AA01847; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 16:41:34 -0700 Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 16:41:34 -0700 Message-Id: <9603042341.AA01847@emu.fsl.noaa.gov> From: Sean Kelly To: chuckr@glue.umd.edu Cc: erich@lodgenet.com, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: (message from Chuck Robey on Mon, 4 Mar 1996 17:08:47 -0500 (EST)) Subject: Re: C++ and wierd symbols Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> "Chuck" == Chuck Robey writes: Chuck> ... a tool called c++filt. Is there any chance we can get this into the base FreeBSD distribution ... /usr/bin/c++filt? -- Sean Kelly NOAA Forecast Systems Laboratory kelly@fsl.noaa.gov Boulder Colorado USA http://www-sdd.fsl.noaa.gov/~kelly/ From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 4 15:52:26 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA10117 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 15:52:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA10111 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 15:52:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Root.COM (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id PAA18830; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 15:50:41 -0800 Message-Id: <199603042350.PAA18830@Root.COM> X-Authentication-Warning: implode.Root.COM: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Terry Lambert cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Smith), monboso@masternet.it, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: xfs not working properly In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 04 Mar 1996 11:19:00 MST." <199603041819.LAA06257@phaeton.artisoft.com> From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Mon, 04 Mar 1996 15:50:41 -0800 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >And there is the real fix (go to device/extent based caching and I don't agree with this. I prefer the existing model. >clean up most of vfs_subr.c, especially the vclean crap), which >introduces a 2G limit on logical device size instead of just a >2G limit on open file size. Unless we eat the additional overhead >for 64 bit offsets in the VM systems. The file size limit is currently 1TB in FreeBSD. I have no interest in going backwards. -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 4 15:58:25 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA10264 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 15:58:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA10256 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 15:58:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA14958; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 10:32:04 +1030 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199603050002.KAA14958@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: xfs not working properly To: terry@lambert.org (Terry Lambert) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 10:32:03 +1030 (CST) Cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, monboso@masternet.it, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199603041819.LAA06257@phaeton.artisoft.com> from "Terry Lambert" at Mar 4, 96 11:19:00 am MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Terry Lambert stands accused of saying: > > [ ... re: using xfs ... ] > > > Please get your facts straight here. The FreeBSD NFS server is not "much > > slower", the problem is that the _DOS_clients_ are "much slower". > > The DOS clients are generally broken, unless they have local cache, > but the FreeBSD NFS server is also "much slower". Hmm. I'll agree that NFS servers are, in general, not so snappy, but the FreeBSD server does a pretty good job, really. It's certainly not responsible for the atrocious performance the original poster was complaining about. > Terry Lambert -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 4 16:08:26 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA10779 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 16:08:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA10774 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 16:08:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.4/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA24411; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 16:07:58 -0800 (PST) To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers), joluca@mbox1.ufsc.br Subject: Re: your mail In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 04 Mar 1996 08:55:14 +0100." <199603040755.IAA09702@uriah.heep.sax.de> Date: Mon, 04 Mar 1996 16:07:57 -0800 Message-ID: <24409.825984477@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > I would like in DOSEMU for FreeBSD. I have much dos binaries files > and I interessed in this program. > > There's a `pcemu' in the port. It's a software emulation of an 8086, > and a BIOS emulation for text mode. It runs almost all text-mode DOS > applications. > > `dosemu' is more complicated, it requires a VM86 mode. Nobody seems > to have done it by now. But there's still hope that other deals may come together.. :) Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 4 16:16:08 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA11240 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 16:16:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA11234 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 16:16:05 -0800 (PST) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id RAA06970; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 17:11:51 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199603050011.RAA06970@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: xfs not working properly To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 17:11:51 -0700 (MST) Cc: terry@lambert.org, msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, monboso@masternet.it, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199603042350.PAA18830@Root.COM> from "David Greenman" at Mar 4, 96 03:50:41 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > >And there is the real fix (go to device/extent based caching and > > I don't agree with this. I prefer the existing model. The vnode/inode "dissociation" code is broken (remember the "free vnode isn't" panic?). My kludge around the problem is only a kludge. The big mess is really the seperation of lock state into routines that must be correctly duplicated for each and every file system (one of the failures of the MSDOSFS is that this duplication is not correct in the MSDOSFS case). It's a common function, it shoukd take place in common code. I'd be happy to discuss the bogosities in the UFS ihash code in detail with you. > >clean up most of vfs_subr.c, especially the vclean crap), which > >introduces a 2G limit on logical device size instead of just a > >2G limit on open file size. Unless we eat the additional overhead > >for 64 bit offsets in the VM systems. > > The file size limit is currently 1TB in FreeBSD. I have no interest in going > backwards. What is the logical device size limit? Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 4 16:19:25 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA11368 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 16:19:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA11358 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 16:19:15 -0800 (PST) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id RAA07009; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 17:15:20 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199603050015.RAA07009@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: pwd_mkdb - really slow :( To: guido@gvr.win.tue.nl (Guido van Rooij) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 17:15:19 -0700 (MST) Cc: terry@lambert.org, julian@ref.tfs.com, rashid@rk.ios.com, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199603042248.XAA14460@gvr.win.tue.nl> from "Guido van Rooij" at Mar 4, 96 11:48:57 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > > As I understand it, changes were made to do single-point > > > changes, and to speed all this up in the 'passwd' case. > > > > As I understand it, these changes were never committed. > > Patience, patience. 8-). If it's taking long enough for a totally new set of users to rediscover the problem, it's probably taking too long... Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 4 16:24:55 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA11788 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 16:24:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA11780 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 16:24:46 -0800 (PST) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id RAA07035; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 17:19:20 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199603050019.RAA07035@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: xfs not working properly To: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Smith) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 17:19:19 -0700 (MST) Cc: terry@lambert.org, msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, monboso@masternet.it, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199603050002.KAA14958@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> from "Michael Smith" at Mar 5, 96 10:32:03 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > The DOS clients are generally broken, unless they have local cache, > > but the FreeBSD NFS server is also "much slower". > > Hmm. I'll agree that NFS servers are, in general, not so snappy, but the > FreeBSD server does a pretty good job, really. It's certainly not responsible > for the atrocious performance the original poster was complaining about. Wasn't my point. My point is that there is room for improvement. I'd like to see variant LRU insertion order as well, FWIW, based on a per vnode working set quota to prevent mmap'ing and sequentially accessing an mmap'ed file (ie: "cp") from thrashing the cache. When you hit the quota, you steal from your vnode instead of from the global LRU (need to use a bit, like VEXEC, to defeat this behaviour for shared pages, though...). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 4 16:53:37 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA13269 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 16:53:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from dilbert.oasysinc.com ([199.165.197.21]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA13262 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 16:53:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from zeki.oasysinc.com ([199.165.197.104]) by dilbert.oasysinc.com (post.office MTA v1.9.1 evaluation license) with SMTP id AAA421 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 16:49:02 -0800 Received: by zeki.oasysinc.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BB09EC.AAEB4DA0@zeki.oasysinc.com>; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 17:04:36 -0800 Message-ID: <01BB09EC.AAEB4DA0@zeki.oasysinc.com> From: Zeki@Dilbert.Oasysinc.com (Zeki Basbuyuk) To: "'Hackers'" Subject: Kernel Hacking help Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 17:04:25 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hi,=20 I am writing some low level ip code (Of course under FREEBSD :-)). I = need some help on hacking the kernel, understanding memory management, = allocating / deallocating memory blocks, command line interface to = configure the program. I started dissecting IPFW to learn the internals of the kernel, ip stuff = and I'm lost!. Is there any more documentation on the implementation of = IPFW? From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 4 17:01:19 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA13797 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 17:01:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA13787 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 17:01:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Root.COM (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id QAA19055; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 16:55:35 -0800 Message-Id: <199603050055.QAA19055@Root.COM> X-Authentication-Warning: implode.Root.COM: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Terry Lambert cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, monboso@masternet.it, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: xfs not working properly In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 04 Mar 1996 17:11:51 MST." <199603050011.RAA06970@phaeton.artisoft.com> From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Mon, 04 Mar 1996 16:55:35 -0800 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >> The file size limit is currently 1TB in FreeBSD. I have no interest in going >> backwards. > >What is the logical device size limit? 8TB. -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 4 17:01:30 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA13828 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 17:01:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA13814 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 17:01:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Root.COM (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id RAA19104; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 17:01:03 -0800 Message-Id: <199603050101.RAA19104@Root.COM> X-Authentication-Warning: implode.Root.COM: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Terry Lambert cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Smith), monboso@masternet.it, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: xfs not working properly In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 04 Mar 1996 17:19:19 MST." <199603050019.RAA07035@phaeton.artisoft.com> From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Mon, 04 Mar 1996 17:01:03 -0800 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >> > The DOS clients are generally broken, unless they have local cache, >> > but the FreeBSD NFS server is also "much slower". >> >> Hmm. I'll agree that NFS servers are, in general, not so snappy, but the >> FreeBSD server does a pretty good job, really. It's certainly not responsible >> for the atrocious performance the original poster was complaining about. > >Wasn't my point. My point is that there is room for improvement. > >I'd like to see variant LRU insertion order as well, FWIW, based on >a per vnode working set quota to prevent mmap'ing and sequentially >accessing an mmap'ed file (ie: "cp") from thrashing the cache. When >you hit the quota, you steal from your vnode instead of from the >global LRU (need to use a bit, like VEXEC, to defeat this behaviour >for shared pages, though...). John and I have discussed this before. Basically, use vadvise(sequential) to inform the kernel that operations are primarily sequential, and then use some sort of per-vnode working set quota to throttle the memory consumption. ...but right now, we've got lot's of serious bugs to fix so projects like this only get worked on when we're looking for a break (e.g. low priority). -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 4 17:32:22 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA15865 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 17:32:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from spooky.rwwa.com (rwwa.com [198.115.177.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA15856 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 17:32:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.rwwa.com (localhost.rwwa.com [127.0.0.1]) by spooky.rwwa.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA04525 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 20:03:28 -0500 Message-Id: <199603050103.UAA04525@spooky.rwwa.com> X-Authentication-Warning: spooky.rwwa.com: Host localhost.rwwa.com didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Gremlins changing [cm]time on files? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 01 Mar 1996 13:14:12 EST." <9603011814.AA04520@sobeco.sobeco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 04 Mar 1996 20:03:27 -0500 From: Robert Withrow Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > The ctime and mtime of some files are changing. It has happened twice > now. I've seen this happen too, with suid files that show up in the daily security log. On the particular system there is no net connection and I'm the only user. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Robert Withrow, Tel: +1 617 592 8935, Net: witr@rwwa.COM From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 4 17:39:14 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA16356 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 17:39:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA16341 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 17:38:55 -0800 (PST) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id SAA07284; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 18:34:09 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199603050134.SAA07284@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: xfs not working properly To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 18:34:09 -0700 (MST) Cc: terry@lambert.org, msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, monboso@masternet.it, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199603050101.RAA19104@Root.COM> from "David Greenman" at Mar 4, 96 05:01:03 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > John and I have discussed this before. Basically, use vadvise(sequential) > to inform the kernel that operations are primarily sequential, and then use > some sort of per-vnode working set quota to throttle the memory consumption. > ...but right now, we've got lot's of serious bugs to fix so projects like > this only get worked on when we're looking for a break (e.g. low priority). For what it's worth, BTW, an madvise type approach will fail to fix the problem if I'm running the SVR4/UnixWare developement environment under an ABI. The same is pretty much true of any commercial product, and commercial products for Linux are in the same boat. Short of that, I think we can determine advise for random I/O in terms of pageable images that are mapped executable, which should adequately handle the shared library and executable image problems, as well as swap store (since we control our own swap, us being the kernel and all 8-)). The default behaviour ought to be to quota-restrict the working set for a given vnode. It's possible to do the same thing on a per process basis, but that's a lot of work (it means indirect referencing ad summing the working set for shared files, which isn't really realistic). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 4 19:39:42 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA25166 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 19:39:42 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA25127 Mon, 4 Mar 1996 19:39:25 -0800 (PST) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199603050339.TAA25127@freefall.freebsd.org> Subject: Archive Anconda Tape drive 1.35GB To: freebsd-scsi Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 19:39:25 -0800 (PST) Cc: freebsd-hardware, freebsd-hackers X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk here is a summary of my experiences with an Archive Anaconda scsi-2 1.35 GB QIC tape drive. many thanks to Stefan Esser who has once again worked miracles with the ncr scsi controller. jmb -- Jonathan M. Bresler FreeBSD Postmaster jmb@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD--4.4BSD Unix for PC clones, source included. http://www.freebsd.org/ Archive Anaconda 1.35 GB SCSI tape drive (summary) CSC (www.corpsys.com) sells a 1.3 GB QIC SCSI-2 tape drive for $200. its the Archive Anaconda now relabeled as a Connor (the pc board says Archive). The drive has been discontinued. I have not been able to locate a Connor advertisement for one. Spoke to sales and tech support at Connor today (960219). Archive was bought by Connor. Connor was bought by Seagate. The Anaconda has been discontinued. The unit was last shipped about a year ago. The recommended tape is the 3M Magnus DC-9135. Tech support recommends that the SCSI controller be configured for 5 MB/s operation, SYNC disabled, SCSI disconnect=no, and jumper jp6 open. (the jumper information is wrong. jp6 open == SCSI-1, jp6 shorted == SCSI-2) The tech doc is available from Connor's fax-back service: 1-408-456-4903 (?) document 2206 (?) (no fax machine here, i will verify this tomorrow) I bought one 2 weeks ago as an alternative to either 4mm DAT or 8mm Exabyte style drives. The drive did not work "out of the box" with FreeBSD 2.1. with the help of Stefan Esser (se@se@zpr.uni-koeln.de) I am now able to use the drive. The drive is advertised as a SCSI-2 drive. FreeBSD reports the drive as SCSI-1. Installing jumper jp6 causes FreeBSD to report the drive as SCSI-2. When operating as a SCSI-1 device (jp6 open) the drive does not conform to SCSI-1. The drive "locks" the scsi bus during at least some mt operations (eg fsf, rewind, rewoffl). When operating as a SCSI-2 device (jp6 shorted) the drive does not lock the scsi bus during the operations listed above. However to get the ncr working with /sbin/dump, the ncr requires a patch extending the latetime from 10 secs to a larger value. presently i am using 20 minutes. ;( but it works and its fast! it does not lock the bus while the dump is being written to tape. But the drive is fast :) dumping at over 370kB/s. I used "/sbin/dump 0unBbf 1200000 10 /dev/rst0 /dev/sd1f" Okay, now the details: Known: Normal SCSI-2 device (does NOT lock bus on fsf, rewind, rewoffl, or erase) Quasi-SCSI-1 device--locks scsi bus on some mt operations (fsf, rewind, rewoffl, erase, there may be others) The drive does NOT lock the bus during a dump to /dev/nrst0, so you can dump disks on the same scsi bus as the tape drive The unit has front panel eject button. this button does NOT lock the scsi bus. 56kB buffer on drive. (128kB see chip list below) One 8-1/2" x 11" double sided xeroxed page is all the technical documentation that comes with the drive. Uses QIC-1350 tapes aka DC-9135, which may not be easy to find (3 local stores do not stock them ;(( details from mail order below under "Media") Reads QIC-150 No hardware compression 350kB/s sustained tranfer rate. Rate varies with the media rate is the same for SCSI-1 and SCSI-2 operation QIC-150: 25288 tape blocks in 263 seconds (96kB/s) QIC-1350: 25288 tape blocks in 144 seconds (175kB/s) (note: these speeds are low. My root partition only has 25 MB of data on it. the setup time that dump requires skews the results.) QIC-1350: 212215 tape blocks in 583 seconds (364kB/s) QIC-1350: 572707 tape blocks in 1648 seconds (347kB/s) The unit does not have a front panel slider put the heads against the tape, rather the unit pulls the tape deep inside then pushes it forward (to open the gate) and finally slides the tape sideways to engage the heads. Drive is half-height, 5 1/4" wide. The scsi connector (on the rear of the drive) is mounted upside down (compared to my hard drives). (note: the 128kB buffer is probably used as 2-56kB buffers when writing to tape: the drive reads from one and writes to tape while the other is being filled from the scsi bus. when reading from tape, read to one buffer from the tape while writing to the scsi bus from the opther) Possible: May read QIC-525 (i dont have any) May write QIC-150, QIC-120, QIC-525, etc. (i dont have another drive to read the tapes that i create with the Anaconda) Media: Corporate Systems 1-408-734-3475 (same place i got the drive from) Verbatim $24.00 Connor Express 1-800-531-0968 9135 3M $49.00 each 8 in stock Media Source 1-800-241-8857 (andrew) 9135 1 5 10 Verbatim 28.29 26.94 26.94 no stock Sony 29.15 28.10 27.44 21 in stock Exxus 1-800-557-1000 (tory) 9135 3M 34.00 Sony 30.00 Maxell 29.00 Diskette Connection 1-800-654-4058 (randy) 9135 3M 32.10 Verbatim 28.95 dmesg output: when configured as SCSI-2: (ncr1:4:0): "ARCHIVE ANCDA 2750 28077 -003" type 1 removable SCSI 2 st0(ncr1:4:0): Sequential-Access st0(ncr1:4:0): 200ns (5 Mb/sec) offset 8. density code 0x0, drive empty when configured as SCSI-1: (ncr1:4:0): "ARCHIVE ANCDA 2750 28077 -003" type 1 removable SCSI 1 st0(ncr1:4:0): Sequential-Access density code 0x12, drive empty Technical Specifications: Archive Ananconda Model 2750S Formatted capacity: 1.35 Gigabyte with 9135 tape Track format: 15 or 18 track erpentine [sic] (QIC-1350 standard says 30 tracks) Flux density: 12,500 ftpi [sic] (QIC-1350: 38,750 ftpi) Data density: 10,000 bpi [sic] (QIC-1350: 51,667 bpi) Data transfer rate: 112.5 KB/sec [sic] (testing shows 350 kBps) 10,000 bpi [sic] (QIC-1350: 51,667 bpi) Data transfer rate: 112.5 KB/sec [sic] (testing shows 350 kBps) Recording format: QIC [sic] (QIC-1350: NRZ1) SCSI burst data transfer rate: 1.88 MB/s Data buffer size: 56 KB (see chip list below) Tape speed: 90 ips Speed variations: short term +/- 4% long term +/- 7% Start/Stop time: 300 mSec (maximum) Head configuration: two-track, read-after-write (1 track in each direction) separate full-width erase Recording code: GCR (0,2) Run length limited [sic] Recording format: QIC [sic] (QIC-1350 RLL 1,7 with ECC) (QIC-1350 RLL 1,7 with Reed Solomon ECC) (note: the unit write two tracks at one time and erase's the entire tape in one pass. ) Jumpers: jp1-3: scsi id jp4: reserved (open) jp5: parity check enable (default disabled, open) (note: scsi-2 spec requires parity to be enabled) jp6: reserved (open) (scsi-1 open; scsi-2 shorted) jp7: terminator power enable (default disabled, open) 3 on-board sockets for passive terminators Chip list: 1 NCR 53c90B scsi protocol controller 1 AMD 80c186-16 embedded controller 4 KM44c256CJ-7 70ns, 4bit wide, 256kbit dram 2 KM41c256J-8 80 ns 1bit wide, 256kbit dram Other notes: drive frame is cast metal (pot metal). front panel is plastic. unit has a swinging door, hinged along its top side, that covers the tape slot. when there is a tape in the drive, the door is held up (open), when the tape is removed the door swings down and closes the slot. there is a spring holding the door closed. pc board is on top! there are 3 pieces of pc board material soldered to the pc board. each on is ~6mm high and several cm long. the scsi connector is mount upside down. pin 1 is most distant from the power connector. the cut out in the connector faces downward rather than upward. tapes are inserted with the metal backing plate down and the manufacturers label upward. during reset the heads are stepped down to the limited and then upward several tracks. the unit will over-step the heads, producing a chattering, if heads are already close to maximum depression. the metal backing plate of a QIC cartridge is warm after a backup. not hot, not a problem, but warm. feels good in the winter. ;) the pc board says "Archive copyright 1992" and "anaconda main pcb 81422- rev 001" (the 001 is hand written). also hand written is the number 631. the drive motor is "Lot 9348" 48th week of 1993 System data: ASUS SP3G, AMD486-66DX2, 256 kB L2 cache configured write-back, 16 MB, chipset is Saturn II (82424ZX). 2 SCSI busses: first bus is the on-board NCR53c810 SCSI-II controller and 2 disks: "DEC DSP3053LS X442" (id 0), "FUJITSU M1606S-512 6220" (id 1); second SCSI bus is an NCR SC-200 PCI card controller (also an NCR NCR53c810 SCSI-II) one cdrom changer "NRC MBR-7 110" (id 0), one disk "FUJITSU M1606S-512 6220" (id6), and the "ARCHIVE ANCDA 2750 28077 -003 (id 4)" Required kernel source patches: (the first one is already part of -current, the second accomodates the drive locking the SCSI bus) /src/sys/pci/ncr.c *************** *** 4441,4447 **** OUTB (nc_ctest4, 0x08 ); /* enable master parity checking */ OUTB (nc_stest2, EXT ); /* Extended Sreq/Sack filtering */ OUTB (nc_stest3, TE ); /* TolerANT enable */ ! OUTB (nc_stime0, 0xfb ); /* HTH = 1.6sec STO = 0.1 sec. */ /* ** Reinitialize usrsync. --- 4441,4447 ---- OUTB (nc_ctest4, 0x08 ); /* enable master parity checking */ OUTB (nc_stest2, EXT ); /* Extended Sreq/Sack filtering */ OUTB (nc_stest3, TE ); /* TolerANT enable */ ! OUTB (nc_stime0, 0x0b ); /* HTH = disabled, STO = 0.1 sec. */ /* ** Reinitialize usrsync. *************** *** 4832,4836 **** }; ! if (np->latetime>4) { /* ** Although we tried to wake it up, --- 4832,4836 ---- }; ! if (np->latetime>1200) { /* ** Although we tried to wake it up, From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 4 20:47:23 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA00500 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 20:47:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from distortion.eng.umd.edu (distortion.eng.umd.edu [129.2.98.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA00486 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 20:47:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from maryann.eng.umd.edu (maryann.eng.umd.edu [129.2.98.209]) by distortion.eng.umd.edu (8.7.4/8.7) with ESMTP id XAA07828; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 23:46:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (from chuckr@localhost) by maryann.eng.umd.edu (8.7.4/8.7) id XAA22688; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 23:46:47 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 23:46:47 -0500 (EST) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@maryann.eng.umd.edu To: Sean Kelly cc: erich@lodgenet.com, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: C++ and wierd symbols In-Reply-To: <9603042341.AA01847@emu.fsl.noaa.gov> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 4 Mar 1996, Sean Kelly wrote: > >>>>> "Chuck" == Chuck Robey writes: > > Chuck> ... a tool called c++filt. > > Is there any chance we can get this into the base FreeBSD > distribution ... /usr/bin/c++filt? The only way I know how to build it is to build binutils, and it's one of the few things in binutils that FreeBSD doesn't hack into pieces, so it works fine. I understand for gcc-2.7.2, they tossed it into the compiler package (where it clearly belonged). I don't know the legality of busting up the binutils code, so I could excerpt the c++filt stuff. I asked on the list about a year ago when I first found it, but got no straight answers. I am uneasy about that monstrous GPL license, I'm no lawyer and I don't want folks unhappy with me legally. I NEEDED c++filt for a beginning c++ class at the university. What a lifesaver! Anyone who codes in c++ is simply crazy not to have it. That is, of course, unless they never make a mistake ..... ========================================================================== Chuck Robey chuckr@eng.umd.edu, I run FreeBSD-current on n3lxx + Journey2 Three Accounts for the Super-users in the sky, Seven for the Operators in their halls of fame, Nine for Ordinary Users doomed to crie, One for the Illegal Cracker with his evil game In the Domains of Internet where the data lie. One Account to rule them all, One Account to watch them, One Account to make them all and in the network bind them. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 4 21:14:33 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA02330 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 21:14:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from chaph.usc.edu (chaph.usc.edu [128.125.253.133]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA02325 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 21:14:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from nunki.usc.edu (dahanaya@nunki.usc.edu [128.125.253.160]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.7.2/8.7.2/usc) with ESMTP id VAA20992; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 21:14:20 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dahanaya@localhost) by nunki.usc.edu (8.7.2/8.7.2/usc) id VAA01340; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 21:14:19 -0800 (PST) From: Diyamanthi Dahanayake Message-Id: <199603050514.VAA01340@nunki.usc.edu> Subject: Re: Kernel Hacking help To: Zeki@Dilbert.Oasysinc.com (Zeki Basbuyuk) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 21:14:18 -0800 (PST) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <01BB09EC.AAEB4DA0@zeki.oasysinc.com> from "Zeki Basbuyuk" at Mar 4, 96 05:04:25 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > Hi,=20 > > I am writing some low level ip code (Of course under FREEBSD :-)). I = > need some help on hacking the kernel, understanding memory management, = > allocating / deallocating memory blocks, command line interface to = > configure the program. Get the book on TCP/IP Illustrated vol.II by Gary R. Wright and W. Richard Stevens. This should suffice to get a start, but should not expect it to be upto date. But will, nevertheless be a good reference. It covers (almost complete) kernel level networking and should be able to proceed to the other kernel modules without much ado. > > I started dissecting IPFW to learn the internals of the kernel, ip stuff = > and I'm lost!. Is there any more documentation on the implementation of = > IPFW? > > Regards, DCD From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 4 21:16:52 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA02449 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 21:16:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from Glock.COM (root@glock.com [198.82.228.165]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA02444 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 21:16:50 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mmead@localhost) by Glock.COM (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA07075 for hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 00:16:46 -0500 (EST) From: "matthew c. mead" Message-Id: <199603050516.AAA07075@Glock.COM> Subject: backing up to removable media To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 00:16:45 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Does anyone on this list use a Zip Drive, Jaz Drive, or some other form of removeable media for doing backups? I recently purchased a SyQuest EZ135 Drive and I want to do backups to it using it as a raw character device (in this case /dev/rsd3). Anyhow, when I backup something that's smaller than the size of a cartridge, or do a multiple cartridge dump, I end up with only a portion of the last cartridge used (both under dump's scheme, and tar -M's scheme). Is there any way to get either of these programs to seek past a specifiable number of bytes before writing, and to output the number of bytes offset of the dump just completed before exiting? If you have an alternate scheme, please let me know. Thanks in advance! -matt -- Matthew C. Mead mmead@Glock.COM http://www.Glock.COM/~mmead/ From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 4 22:33:18 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA13754 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 22:33:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from pacman.symnet.net (www.rayner.com [199.44.6.33]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA13733 Mon, 4 Mar 1996 22:33:11 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dnelson@localhost) by pacman.symnet.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA08002; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 01:35:49 -0500 Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 01:35:48 -0500 (EST) From: Dru Nelson To: questions@freebsd.org cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: FIX: resolver, named, sendmail problem (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk My previous email was sent out through sendmail with an incorect masquerade setting. ------------------ Hello, Inside: a description of the problem and a question on where this should be documented I just installed Freebsd 2.1.0 from the Infomagic CD-ROM last week. It was easy :-). When I setup my system, I setup 'hostname' to be pacman.symnet.net. I also made that system a secondary DNS server. Another system was the MX host for symnet.net. SymNet is a class C network. According to the man pages, that is sufficient setup for this system's resolver setup. Everything looked fine until I noticed that mail going to any other machine on symnet.net wasn't working. The /var/log/maillogs indicated that it couldn't resolve core or digdug. I became very confused. I checked with nslookup. When it started, it would pick up pacman as the server and begin working. It had some problems (lock up) resolving names. Stated 'couldn't find server' after several minutes. I believe it worked right off the bat, but if I said server pacman, then lookups would bomb/lockup (early morning memory disorder) I tried a simple fix of using resolv.conf and set up my domain and primary DNS. Of course, this fixed all, but the idea of not understanding why something wasn't working made me look further. I noticed that when nslookup came up it stated its address as 0.0.0.0. This was related to the problem. I checked the sources in the resolver lib. I only got as far as the header because it described the solution. The resolver is compiled to not use the Loopback interface so it will use INADDR_ANY which will bind to the first ifconfig'd interface. This happens to be my loopback. It wasn't really stressed anywhere that the interfaces must be placed first in /etc/sysconfig's network_interfaces variables or anywhere else. It is really easy to just put the ether as the second interface to be setup. For my solution, I just made a resolv.conf with the info in order and the first nameserver as 127.0.0.1 . Any recognition of this email to know that it has gotten into the right mailbox would be humbly appreciated. dru dnelson@symnet.net From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 4 22:41:44 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA15497 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 22:41:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA15476 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 22:41:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id HAA20540 ; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 07:41:36 +0100 Received: from (uucp@localhost) by blaise.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with UUCP id HAA06737 ; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 07:41:35 +0100 Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.7.3/keltia-uucp-2.7) id AAA23789; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 00:06:56 +0100 (MET) From: Ollivier Robert Message-Id: <199603042306.AAA23789@keltia.freenix.fr> Subject: Re: can't compile the kernel... To: bde@zeta.org.au (Bruce Evans) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 00:06:56 +0100 (MET) Cc: terry@lambert.org, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, monboso@masternet.it In-Reply-To: <199603042026.HAA27955@godzilla.zeta.org.au> from Bruce Evans at "Mar 5, 96 07:26:00 am" X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT ctm#1729 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL11 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk It seems that Bruce Evans said: > It's almost optional in -current. The link problem went away several > months ago when some sysctl stuff was improved. The driver can > probably be left out on a stripped down system without any npx > hardware or math emulators. I think we can "play it safe" and make npx0 mandatory. It would spare us these questions (even if the answer is in the FAQ)... -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@keltia.frmug.fr.net FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 2.2-CURRENT #1: Tue Feb 20 01:16:51 MET 1996 From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 4 23:34:28 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA25090 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 23:34:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from toplink1.toplink.net (toplink1.toplink.net [194.163.120.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA25059 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 1996 23:34:20 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ck@localhost) by toplink1.toplink.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id IAA07584 for hackers@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 08:35:27 +0100 From: Christian Kratzer Message-Id: <199603050735.IAA07584@toplink1.toplink.net> Subject: Limti of processes per user To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 08:35:27 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hi is there a hardcoded limit on the number of simultaneous processes or shells for a user. I often run into "cannot fork" errors when I work with several xterms on multiple desktops on FreeBSD 2.0r and 2.1r. I have checked sysctl -a but could not find anything that would be appropriate. Do I have to recompile the kernel to raise the limit or is there some other way (perhaps on a per user basis) ? Greetings Christian -- TopLink GbR, Internet Services info@toplink.net Christian Kratzer http://www.toplink.net/ Phone: +49 7452 87174 Fax: +49 7452 87175 FreeBSD spoken here! From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 5 00:43:37 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA09250 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 00:43:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailhub.aros.net (mailhub.aros.net [205.164.111.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA09234 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 00:43:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from terra.aros.net (terra.aros.net [205.164.111.10]) by mailhub.aros.net (8.6.12/Unknown) with ESMTP id BAA16089; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 01:47:52 -0700 Received: (from angio@localhost) by terra.aros.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA08594; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 01:43:32 -0700 From: Dave Andersen Message-Id: <199603050843.BAA08594@terra.aros.net> Subject: Re: Limti of processes per user To: ck@toplink.net (Christian Kratzer) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 01:43:32 -0700 (MST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199603050735.IAA07584@toplink1.toplink.net> from "Christian Kratzer" at Mar 5, 96 08:35:27 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk options "CHILD_MAX=##" Also might want to check the 'maxusers' setting in your kernel config file, if it's set particularly low. or, since you asked about sysctl: kern.maxproc kern.maxprocperuid (from man sysctl) I'm actually not sure if these work, though. :-) Either that, or the shell sets the values lower when it starts. Lo and behold, Christian Kratzer once said: > > Hi > > is there a hardcoded limit on the number of simultaneous processes > or shells for a user. I often run into "cannot fork" errors when I > work with several xterms on multiple desktops on FreeBSD 2.0r and 2.1r. > > I have checked sysctl -a but could not find anything that would be > appropriate. > > Do I have to recompile the kernel to raise the limit or is there some > other way (perhaps on a per user basis) ? > > Greetings > Christian > > -- > TopLink GbR, Internet Services info@toplink.net > Christian Kratzer http://www.toplink.net/ > Phone: +49 7452 87174 > Fax: +49 7452 87175 FreeBSD spoken here! > -- angio@aros.net Complete virtual hosting and business-oriented system administration Internet services. (WWW, FTP, email) http://www.aros.net/ http://www.aros.net/about/virtual/ "There are only two industries that refer to thier customers as 'users'." From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 5 00:55:36 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA11471 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 00:55:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [192.216.222.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA11466 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 00:55:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id AAA05174 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 00:55:22 -0800 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id JAA14943 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 09:50:52 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id JAA23701 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 09:50:51 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.4/8.6.9) id JAA04828 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 09:39:30 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199603050839.JAA04828@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Archive Anconda Tape drive 1.35GB To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 09:39:30 +0100 (MET) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199603050339.TAA25127@freefall.freebsd.org> from "Jonathan M. Bresler" at Mar 4, 96 07:39:25 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: > > here is a summary of my experiences with an Archive Anaconda scsi-2 > 1.35 GB QIC tape drive. many thanks to Stefan Esser who has once again > worked miracles with the ncr scsi controller. [Long and excellent summary deleted] I think this would best go to the FAQ. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 5 01:10:24 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA12655 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 01:10:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from vulture.dmem.strath.ac.uk (vulture.dmem.strath.ac.uk [130.159.232.158]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA12597 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 01:09:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vulture.dmem.strath.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA11394; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 09:09:00 GMT Message-Id: <199603050909.JAA11394@vulture.dmem.strath.ac.uk> X-Authentication-Warning: vulture.dmem.strath.ac.uk: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Christian Kratzer cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Limti of processes per user In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 05 Mar 1996 08:35:27 +0100." <199603050735.IAA07584@toplink1.toplink.net> Date: Tue, 05 Mar 1996 09:08:57 +0000 From: Neil Brendan Clark Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Christian Kratzer writes: > >is there a hardcoded limit on the number of simultaneous processes >or shells for a user. I often run into "cannot fork" errors when I >work with several xterms on multiple desktops on FreeBSD 2.0r and 2.1r. I found a similar problem - if you are using csh or tcsh, it's easy to resolve. It seems that the default maximum number of processes allowed by csh is 40 - type "limit" and see the csh man page for more details. Something along the lines of "limit maxproc 100" in your or the system wide .cshrc should solve your woes. >Do I have to recompile the kernel to raise the limit or is there some >other way (perhaps on a per user basis) ? The above should work, but if you have a heavily loaded system you may still run into problems. In this case, increase the value of "maxusers" in the kernel config file and you'll be sorted. Check out the FreeBSD handbook to see the exact effect this has on the number of allowed processes (I can't remember the formula). -------- Neil Clark Transparent Telepresence Group http://telepresence.dmem.strath.ac.uk/ From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 5 01:22:33 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA13263 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 01:22:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from toplink1.toplink.net (toplink1.toplink.net [194.163.120.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA13248 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 01:22:28 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ck@localhost) by toplink1.toplink.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id KAA10349; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 10:22:28 +0100 From: Christian Kratzer Message-Id: <199603050922.KAA10349@toplink1.toplink.net> Subject: Re: Limti of processes per user To: nbc@vulture.dmem.strath.ac.uk (Neil Brendan Clark) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 10:22:28 +0100 (MET) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199603050909.JAA11394@vulture.dmem.strath.ac.uk> from "Neil Brendan Clark" at Mar 5, 96 09:08:57 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi > > Christian Kratzer writes: > > > >is there a hardcoded limit on the number of simultaneous processes > >or shells for a user. I often run into "cannot fork" errors when I > >work with several xterms on multiple desktops on FreeBSD 2.0r and 2.1r. > > I found a similar problem - if you are using csh or tcsh, it's easy to > resolve. It seems that the default maximum number of processes allowed > by csh is 40 - type "limit" and see the csh man page for more details. > Something along the lines of "limit maxproc 100" in your or the system wide > .cshrc should solve your woes. thanks! "set limitmaxproc 100" did the trick. Greetings Christian -- TopLink GbR, Internet Services info@toplink.net Christian Kratzer http://www.toplink.net/ Phone: +49 7452 87174 Fax: +49 7452 87175 FreeBSD spoken here! From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 5 01:22:59 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA13327 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 01:22:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA13241 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 01:22:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id KAA15848; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 10:20:37 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id KAA23784; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 10:20:36 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.4/8.6.9) id JAA05040; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 09:59:13 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199603050859.JAA05040@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Limti of processes per user To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 09:59:13 +0100 (MET) Cc: ck@toplink.net, angio@aros.net (Dave Andersen) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199603050843.BAA08594@terra.aros.net> from "Dave Andersen" at Mar 5, 96 01:43:32 am X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Dave Andersen wrote: > > options "CHILD_MAX=##" This is a last-resort hack. > Also might want to check the 'maxusers' setting in your kernel config > file, if it's set particularly low. This doesn't influence the maximal number of simultaneous processes. The official way is to use the csh builtin `limit', or the Bourne- alike shell builtin `ulimit' to increase this number. Alas, our /bin/sh in previous releases didn't grok `ulimit', so the above hack was about your only chance. For a recent system, simply put ulimit -S -u 100 for example on top of your .xsession file (this is perhaps one thing where you would love it most). The setting is inherited to the children, and the xsession shell is the grandfather of all your processes under X11. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 5 01:31:46 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA13886 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 01:31:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from nixpbe.pdb.sni.de (mail.sni.de [192.109.2.33]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA13880 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 01:31:37 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nerv@localhost) by nixpbe.pdb.sni.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA05015 for hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 10:31:14 +0100 Message-Id: <199603050931.KAA05015@nixpbe.pdb.sni.de> Subject: Re: OK, so what would YOU like to see on that second CD? To: taob@io.org (Brian Tao) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 96 10:27:35 MET From: Greg Lehey Cc: hackers@freebsd.org (Hackers; FreeBSD) In-Reply-To: ; from "Brian Tao" at Mar 3, 96 2:29 am X-Mailer: xmail 2.4 (based on ELM 2.2 PL16) Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > On Mon, 26 Feb 1996, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > > Just what would you folks like to see? :-) > > I'd like to see a 4-CD set. :) Keep the install and live FS > CD-ROM's, then add the uncompressed XFree86 source tree (with contrib, > games, everything), indexed mailing list archives, Greg's "Installing > and Running FreeBSD" book (if that's legal after it's in print) This is a "good news, bad news" situation. The bad news ist that it's not legal. The good news is, the book will come free with the CD-ROM. Greg From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 5 02:30:03 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA17528 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 02:30:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from nixpbe.pdb.sni.de (mail.sni.de [192.109.2.33]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA17461 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 02:29:54 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nerv@localhost) by nixpbe.pdb.sni.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA09328 for hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 11:29:33 +0100 Message-Id: <199603051029.LAA09328@nixpbe.pdb.sni.de> Subject: Re: twin activities, where do they take place? To: kuku@gilberto.physik.RWTH-Aachen.DE (Christoph P. Kukulies) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 96 11:25:53 MET From: Greg Lehey Cc: hackers@freebsd.org (Hackers; FreeBSD) In-Reply-To: <199603011812.TAA09297@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de>; from "Christoph P. Kukulies" at Mar 1, 96 7:12 pm X-Mailer: xmail 2.4 (based on ELM 2.2 PL16) Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Christoph P. U. Kukulies enquired: > > Where are the TWIN (Willows) activities going on? I suppose that depends on which Willows activities you're talking about. I seem to recall a request a while back to dissociate Willows from hackers. I signed up for a private license with majordomo@www.willows.com. Here's an extract from the welcome message: + This is the mailing list for the TWIN XPDK from Willows Software. + + To request general information about Willows Software and the TWIN XPDK, + please send mail to: + + info@willows.com + + For support questions regarding the TWIN XPDK, send mail to: + + support@willows.com The volume of traffic won't kill you--I've had about 8 messages in a week. Greg From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 5 02:46:52 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA18380 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 02:46:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from schizo.cdsnet.net (schizo.cdsnet.net [204.118.244.32]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA18375 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 02:46:50 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mrcpu@localhost) by schizo.cdsnet.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id CAA18563; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 02:48:19 -0800 Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 02:48:19 -0800 (PST) From: Jaye Mathisen To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: # of sem undo structs? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk While working with INN1.4-unoff3 and some patches, it makes mention of some limitations under HPUX 8.0 that the number of semaphores that can have undo structs associated with them is 30 or so. Is there a similar limit under -current? If so, what option changes it? From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 5 03:41:15 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA21669 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 03:41:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns.cdngateway.pe.ca (cdngateway.pe.ca [205.151.204.66]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA21664 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 03:41:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from by ns.cdngateway.pe.ca with SMTP (IPAD 0.9.8) id 3694900 ; Tue, 05 Mar 96 07:40:12 UTC Message-ID: <313C6012.3376@cdngateway.pe.ca> Date: Tue, 05 Mar 1996 07:38:58 -0800 From: Phil Holmstrom Technician Organization: Canadian Gateway Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: re: Intel Ethernet Express Pro 100b and installing Freebsd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Does anyone have or know where I can obtain a boot disk for Freebsd with the Intel EthernetExpress Pro 100b card? I would like to install via ftp, however I need to somehow get the stupid driver onto the floppy. Any help is greatly appreciated. Phil From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 5 04:30:31 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA23966 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 04:30:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from sequent.kiae.su (sequent.kiae.su [144.206.136.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA23958 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 04:30:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by sequent.kiae.su id AA14783 (5.65.kiae-2 ); Tue, 5 Mar 1996 15:25:32 +0300 Received: by sequent.KIAE.su (UUMAIL/2.0); Tue, 5 Mar 96 15:25:32 +0300 Received: (from ache@localhost) by ache.dialup.ru (8.7.4/8.7.3) id PAA01715; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 15:12:27 +0300 (MSK) Message-Id: <199603051212.PAA01715@ache.dialup.ru> Subject: Re: pwd_mkdb - really slow :( To: guido@gvr.win.tue.nl (Guido van Rooij) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 15:12:27 +0300 (MSK) Cc: julian@ref.tfs.com, rashid@rk.ios.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199603042006.VAA14023@gvr.win.tue.nl> from "Guido van Rooij" at "Mar 4, 96 09:06:59 pm" From: =?KOI8-R?Q?=E1=CE=C4=D2=C5=CA_=FE=C5=D2=CE=CF=D7?= (aka Andrey A. Chernov, Black Mage) X-Class: Fast X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL11 (25)] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > > As I understand it, changes were made to do single-point > > changes, and to speed all this up in the 'passwd' case. > > > > yep. That's what I did. It is still hanging around here, but I want > to commit it soon, possible protected with an #ifdef. > > I made patches for every command that changes a single user at a time, > chpass and friends, passwd, yppasswdd, pwd_mkdb. I did not do adduser (yet). > Do you solve order problems with different login names per same uid? -- Andrey A. Chernov : And I rest so composedly, /Now, in my bed, ache@astral.msk.su : That any beholder /Might fancy me dead - http://dt.demos.su/~ache : Might start at beholding me, /Thinking me dead. RELCOM Team,FreeBSD Team : E.A.Poe From "For Annie" 1849 From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 5 05:08:55 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA25169 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 05:08:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from schizo.cdsnet.net (schizo.cdsnet.net [204.118.244.32]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA25164 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 05:08:53 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mrcpu@localhost) by schizo.cdsnet.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id FAA19434; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 05:10:27 -0800 Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 05:10:27 -0800 (PST) From: Jaye Mathisen To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: 3/4 -current thingie. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I hate this date problem... My clock is set right, how come FreeBSD can't figure it out? root 79 0.0 0.2 160 128 ?? Ss 30Apr62 0:00.44 rwhod root 88 0.0 0.0 196 144 ?? IWs 30Apr62 0:00.25 inetd root 95 0.0 0.0 236 180 ?? IWs 2May62 0:00.24 cron root 97 0.0 0.0 192 132 ?? IWs 30Apr62 0:00.03 lpd root 100 0.0 0.0 484 284 ?? IWs 3May62 0:00.04 sendmail: acce root 140 0.0 0.0 156 124 v0 IWs+ 29Apr62 0:00.02 /usr/libexec/g root 141 0.0 0.0 156 124 v1 IWs+ 3May62 0:00.02 /usr/libexec/g root 142 0.0 0.0 156 124 v2 IWs+ 30Apr62 0:00.02 /usr/libexec/g root 146 0.0 0.0 220 244 ?? IWs 3May62 0:01.42 telnetd mrcpu 147 0.0 0.0 448 220 p0 IWs 2May62 0:00.13 -csh (csh) root 152 0.0 0.0 464 260 p0 IW+ 4May62 0:00.44 -su (csh) From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 5 05:59:49 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA26594 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 05:59:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from gatekeeper.ctron.com (ctron.com [134.141.197.25]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA26588 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 05:59:46 -0800 (PST) Received: (from news@localhost) by gatekeeper.ctron.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA04667 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 08:59:42 -0500 Received: from stealth.ctron.com(134.141.5.107) by gatekeeper via smap (V1.3mjr) id sma004651; Tue Mar 5 08:59:40 1996 Received: from shadowfax.ctron.com by stealth.ctron.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA08369; Tue, 5 Mar 96 08:53:18 EST Received: from thoth (thoth.ctron.com [134.141.65.91]) by shadowfax.ctron.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA16825 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 08:59:38 -0500 Received: from localhost by thoth (4.1/4.7) id AA12165; Tue, 5 Mar 96 08:59:59 EST Message-Id: <9603051359.AA12165@thoth> To: hackers@freefall.freebsd.org Subject: SIOCxARP Organization: Cabletron Systems, Inc. Date: Tue, 05 Mar 1996 08:59:59 EST From: Alexander Seth Jones Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Does FreeBSD define ioctl's for manipulating the arp cache? I found the "struct arpreq" structure, but I can't find any ioctl's to pass. Can someone tell me where they are located, or if they are supported? Gracias. Alex Jones From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 5 06:38:29 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA28637 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 06:38:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA28607 Tue, 5 Mar 1996 06:38:24 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199603051438.GAA28607@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: Host localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: jmb cc: freebsd-scsi, freebsd-hardware, freebsd-hackers Subject: Re: Archive Anconda Tape drive 1.35GB In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 04 Mar 1996 19:39:25 PST." <199603050339.TAA25127@freefall.freebsd.org> Date: Tue, 05 Mar 1996 06:38:23 -0800 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >The recommended tape is the 3M Magnus DC-9135. Tech support >recommends that the SCSI controller be configured for 5 MB/s >operation, SYNC disabled, SCSI disconnect=no, and jumper jp6 open. >(the jumper information is wrong. jp6 open == SCSI-1, jp6 shorted >== SCSI-2) The tech doc is available from Connor's fax-back service: >1-408-456-4903 (?) document 2206 (?) (no fax machine here, i will >verify this tomorrow) I think the tech people are off in space. Async maxes out at ~3MB/s, so it doesn't matter what the controller's sync rate is set to. You also want to have disconnection enabled for the driver or it will hand up the SCSI bus for other devices while its doing things like rewinding. Ughh. >When operating as a SCSI-1 device (jp6 open) the drive does not >conform to SCSI-1. The drive "locks" the scsi bus during at least >some mt operations (eg fsf, rewind, rewoffl). This is because it doesn't disconnect correct? >When operating as a SCSI-2 device (jp6 shorted) the drive does not >lock the scsi bus during the operations listed above. However to >get the ncr working with /sbin/dump, the ncr requires a patch >extending the latetime from 10 secs to a larger value. presently >i am using 20 minutes. ;( but it works and its fast! it does >not lock the bus while the dump is being written to tape. What does the latetime value affect? -- Justin T. Gibbs =========================================== FreeBSD: Turning PCs into workstations =========================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 5 08:30:12 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA05886 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 08:30:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from nomad.osmre.gov (nomad.osmre.gov [192.243.129.244]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA05869 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 08:30:06 -0800 (PST) Received: (from gfoster@localhost) by nomad.osmre.gov (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA15581; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 11:28:59 -0500 Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 11:28:59 -0500 From: Glen Foster Message-Id: <199603051628.LAA15581@nomad.osmre.gov> To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Q: install updated 2940 driver in 2.1-R? Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I am seeing the "silent reboot" problem in a machine with a 2940. Is it possible to install the new driver for this board in 2.1-R? If so, what files do I need and do I have to do anything besides replace the old files and re-build the kernel? TIA, Glen Foster From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 5 08:50:26 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA07581 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 08:50:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA07558 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 08:50:23 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id KAA10842 for hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 10:49:46 -0600 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199603051649.KAA10842@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Cogent Quartet Quad PCI Ethernet To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 10:49:45 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Does anybody have any experience with the Cogent Quartet EM964? (see http://www.cogentdata.com/products/em964.html) I'm looking for a quad port PCI Ethernet card that's supported by FreeBSD.. :-) Thanks, ... JG From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 5 09:29:37 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA09890 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 09:29:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from Sysiphos (Sysiphos.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.212.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA09879 Tue, 5 Mar 1996 09:29:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by Sysiphos id AA00074 (5.67b/IDA-1.5); Tue, 5 Mar 1996 18:28:40 +0100 Message-Id: <199603051728.AA00074@Sysiphos> From: se@zpr.uni-koeln.de (Stefan Esser) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 18:28:39 +0100 In-Reply-To: "Justin T. Gibbs" "Re: Archive Anconda Tape drive 1.35GB" (Mar 5, 6:38) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.6 alpha(2) 7/9/95) To: "Justin T. Gibbs" Subject: Re: Archive Anconda Tape drive 1.35GB Cc: freebsd-scsi@freefall.freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freefall.freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers@freefall.freebsd.org Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Mar 5, 6:38, "Justin T. Gibbs" wrote: } Subject: Re: Archive Anconda Tape drive 1.35GB } >When operating as a SCSI-2 device (jp6 shorted) the drive does not } >lock the scsi bus during the operations listed above. However to } >get the ncr working with /sbin/dump, the ncr requires a patch } >extending the latetime from 10 secs to a larger value. presently } >i am using 20 minutes. ;( but it works and its fast! it does } >not lock the bus while the dump is being written to tape. } } What does the latetime value affect? The NCR updates a time variable whenever it passes a certain point in its main program loop. Once per second the driver checks the last update time of this variable, and issues a NCR start, if it hasn't been updated for more than a few seconds (this restart doesn't affect normal operation, it is a NOP if the controller is connected to some device). If the watchdog code finds the time variable has not been updated for "latetime" seconds, it assumes a severe fault and tries to reinitialize the NCR chip and the driver. This leads to much confusion, if the SCSI bus was locked for many minutes because of a tape not disconnecting on rewind ... I might remove this watchdog timer, since it seems to cause more problems than it solves (i.e. I don't know, whether it ever was triggered for its designed purpose) ... Regards, STefan -- Stefan Esser, Zentrum fuer Paralleles Rechnen Tel: +49 221 4706021 Universitaet zu Koeln, Weyertal 80, 50931 Koeln FAX: +49 221 4705160 ============================================================================== http://www.zpr.uni-koeln.de/~se From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 5 09:34:22 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA10345 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 09:34:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from etinc.com (etinc.com [204.141.244.98]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA10334 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 09:34:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from dialup-usr11.etinc.com (dialup-usr11.etinc.com [204.141.95.132]) by etinc.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA08012; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 12:37:09 -0500 Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 12:37:09 -0500 Message-Id: <199603051737.MAA08012@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Terry Lambert From: dennis@etinc.com (dennis) Subject: Re: I'd like Samba Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >> I agree. I've been having problems as well and the documentation doesn't >> seem to be up to par. Although I don't think this is the place for the >> discussion (but I don't know where the right place is either ;). >> >> I've been trying to get my system working as well ( WFW 3.11 client with >> FreeBSD 2.1 server) I can mount any publicly available drive but >> something like /home just doesn't work. I can't seem to get the password >> authentication working. Something I did notice is that public drives get >> mounted as noboby ( ie GID, UID = 65535, 65535 ). This might explain why >> I can never get the right password. Passwords are a pain...and not well documented. We use the user = herb for each drive to override the "scanning" mechanism. Plus if you log in to a novell net it seems to want to use the same login name as you used for your primary login server. "user = " seemed to solve the problems. force user will change the permissions after login, so you can user "force user" and "force group" to set those as well. Obviously there is a security issue, but you can define the same mount point to different services...so you could implement security that way. Dennis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Emerging Technologies, Inc. http://www.etinc.com Synchronous Communications Cards and Routers For Discriminating Tastes. 56k to T1 and beyond. Frame Relay, PPP, HDLC, and X.25 for BSD/OS, FreeBSD and LINUX From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 5 09:59:32 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA11465 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 09:59:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from etinc.com (etinc.com [204.141.244.98]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA11460 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 09:59:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from dialup-usr11.etinc.com (dialup-usr11.etinc.com [204.141.95.132]) by etinc.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA08077; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 13:01:57 -0500 Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 13:01:57 -0500 Message-Id: <199603051801.NAA08077@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: aho@hyh.pc.my (Anthony Ho) From: dennis@etinc.com (dennis) Subject: Re: FreeBSD or BSDI Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk jkh writes... >Evaluate them both and see what you think. > >Sorry, but our position on this is that we won't make "use xxx over >yyy" statements given that it's impossible to even answer this >question correctly for any given query. Different people have >different needs, and whereas FreeBSD might be the clear choice for >one, BSDI may be a clear choice for another. > >In other words, we're not going to give you a canned answer, nor will >we attempt to cite "reasons" which may or may not even be relevant to >your situation. Get whichever OS the person who will be *maintaining* >your system is most comfortable with. > >Regards, > > Jordan > > >> We are thinking of setting up an Internet Server (for email and web, >> ftp). >> >> Should we use FreeBSD or BSDI. Please give reasons. >> >> Thks. >> >> --- Well, we DO make recommendations. Its pretty hard to evaluate a product in a live environment when it takes so much work to get it set up and running. They're both substantially similar...there is no "stability" advantage of one over the other. BSDI's support of dial-in cards is better (for now), but it lags behind several months in features. The only good reason to pay for it is if you are a newbie and need telephone support, which is not nearly as good as it was 18months ago. If you have to put up multiple servers, BSDI can get pretty expensive without much advantage. Dennis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Emerging Technologies, Inc. http://www.etinc.com Synchronous Communications Cards and Routers For Discriminating Tastes. 56k to T1 and beyond. Frame Relay, PPP, HDLC, and X.25 for BSD/OS, FreeBSD and LINUX From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 5 10:17:08 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA12526 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 10:17:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA12521 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 10:17:06 -0800 (PST) Received: (from julian@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.7.3/8.6.9) id KAA00862; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 10:14:45 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199603051814.KAA00862@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: Cogent Quartet Quad PCI Ethernet To: jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com (Joe Greco) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 10:14:45 -0800 (PST) From: "JULIAN Elischer" Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199603051649.KAA10842@brasil.moneng.mei.com> from "Joe Greco" at Mar 5, 96 10:49:45 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 ME8b] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk look at the Z'NYX ZX314 it also has 4 of the DEC chips on it and will 'Probably' work.. if not, I'm about to start hacking on one so it'll work soon if it doesn't already. looks to be a VERY similar board > > > Does anybody have any experience with the Cogent Quartet EM964? (see > http://www.cogentdata.com/products/em964.html) > > I'm looking for a quad port PCI Ethernet card that's supported by FreeBSD.. > :-) > > Thanks, > > ... JG > From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 5 10:31:43 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA13441 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 10:31:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA13435 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 10:31:40 -0800 (PST) Received: (from julian@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.7.3/8.6.9) id KAA00913; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 10:30:42 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199603051830.KAA00913@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: FreeBSD or BSDI To: dennis@etinc.com (dennis) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 10:30:42 -0800 (PST) From: "JULIAN Elischer" Cc: aho@hyh.pc.my, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199603051801.NAA08077@etinc.com> from "dennis" at Mar 5, 96 01:01:57 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 ME8b] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk jkh writes... >Evaluate them both and see what you think. > >Sorry, but our position on this is that we won't make "use xxx over >yyy" statements given that it's impossible to even answer this >question correctly for any given query. Different people have >different needs, and whereas FreeBSD might be the clear choice for >one, BSDI may be a clear choice for another. > >In other words, we're not going to give you a canned answer, nor will >we attempt to cite "reasons" which may or may not even be relevant to >your situation. Get whichever OS the person who will be *maintaining* >your system is most comfortable with. > >Regards, > > Jordan > > My personal idea woudl be, "As FreeBSD is Free, you lose nothing by trying it out, and if you don't like it you can then pay for BSDI. Most of what you learned on FreeBSD will be relevant for FeeBSD^H^H^H^H^H^H BSDI. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 5 11:03:59 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA15536 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 11:03:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from etinc.com (etinc.com [204.141.244.98]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA15510 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 11:03:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from dialup-usr11.etinc.com (dialup-usr11.etinc.com [204.141.95.132]) by etinc.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA08237; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 14:06:38 -0500 Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 14:06:38 -0500 Message-Id: <199603051906.OAA08237@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "JULIAN Elischer" From: dennis@etinc.com (dennis) Subject: Re: FreeBSD or BSDI Cc: aho@hyh.pc.my, hackers@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Julian Elischer writes... > > jkh writes... > > >Evaluate them both and see what you think. > > > >Sorry, but our position on this is that we won't make "use xxx over > >yyy" statements given that it's impossible to even answer this > >question correctly for any given query. Different people have > >different needs, and whereas FreeBSD might be the clear choice for > >one, BSDI may be a clear choice for another. > > > >In other words, we're not going to give you a canned answer, nor will > >we attempt to cite "reasons" which may or may not even be relevant to > >your situation. Get whichever OS the person who will be *maintaining* > >your system is most comfortable with. > > > >Regards, > > > > Jordan > > > > > My personal idea woudl be, "As FreeBSD is Free, you lose nothing by trying > it out, and if you don't like it you can then pay for BSDI. Most of what you > learned on FreeBSD will be relevant for FeeBSD^H^H^H^H^H^H BSDI. Only the code is free. The installation costs money. The use of the serial line while your trying it costs money. The time it takes to learn how to set up and go through the unavoidable setup problems costs money. The cost of time exceeds the cost of the software by a factor of 10 for BSDI. Its very expensive to chose the wrong product even if its free initially. Dennis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Emerging Technologies, Inc. http://www.etinc.com Synchronous Communications Cards and Routers For Discriminating Tastes. 56k to T1 and beyond. Frame Relay, PPP, HDLC, and X.25 for BSD/OS, FreeBSD and LINUX From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 5 11:35:34 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA17922 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 11:35:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from tellab5.lisle.tellabs.com (tellab5.lisle.tellabs.com [138.111.243.28]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA17886 Tue, 5 Mar 1996 11:35:21 -0800 (PST) From: mikebo@tellabs.com Received: from sunc210.tellabs.com by tellab5.lisle.tellabs.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #4) id m0tu2VQ-000jCbC; Tue, 5 Mar 96 13:34 CST Received: by sunc210.tellabs.com (SMI-8.6/1.9) id NAA02303; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 13:34:39 -0600 Message-Id: <199603051934.NAA02303@sunc210.tellabs.com> Subject: Triton-II support... when? To: questions@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 13:34:38 -0600 (CST) Cc: mikebo (Mike Borowiec) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Greetings - I understand that the new Triton-II chipset will be making its debut on system boards around the end of March. I've heard it will provide for an ~5% memory access speed gain, plus concurrent access to PCI and ISA busses (whatever that buys me). Perhaps someone else can explain these things better than I, and put the purported benefits of Triton-II into perspective for us non-chipset-savvy buyers. I was about to upgrade a 486/50 to a 133Mhz Endevour. My questions are: o What will Triton-II really buy me? o Is it worth a 4-6 week wait for Triton-II main boards to arrive? o Will FreeBSD 2.1-RELEASE boot/run on Triton-II main boards as-is? o If not, how long will it be before Triton-II support is added to the FreeBSD kernel? Any comments welcome... Thanks! - Mike -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Borowiec - mikebo@tellabs.com - Tellabs Operations Inc. Senior Member of Technical Staff 4951 Indiana Avenue, MS 63 708-512-8211 FAX: 708-512-7099 Lisle, IL 60532 USA -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 5 11:38:13 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA18133 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 11:38:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from border.com (ns.borderware.com [199.71.190.98]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA18128 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 11:38:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by janus.border.com id <20483-1>; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 14:46:01 -0500 Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 14:35:09 -0500 From: Jerry Kendall To: FreeBSD Hackers Subject: SAMBA and WFW Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: <96Mar5.144601est.20483-1@janus.border.com> Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have been trying for about 3 weeks now to get WFW 3.11 to access my samba drives.... Can some nice sole send me their smb.conf files...... All I need at the moment is the ability to have WFW access my /home filesystem.... Nothing more... Please include all commands that are needed to start it up.. In case I am missing something . -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Any comments or opinions in this message are my own and may or may not reflect the comments or opinions of my present or previous employers. Jerry Kendall Border Network Technologies Inc. System Software Engineer Tel +1-416-368-7157 ext 303 jerry@border.com Fax +1-416-368-7178 From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 5 11:50:12 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA18686 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 11:50:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from zip.io.org (root@zip.io.org [198.133.36.80]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA18630 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 11:49:55 -0800 (PST) Received: (from taob@localhost) by zip.io.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA09737; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 13:50:26 -0500 Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 13:50:26 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Tao To: Greg Lehey cc: "Hackers; FreeBSD" Subject: Re: OK, so what would YOU like to see on that second CD? In-Reply-To: <199603050931.KAA05009@nixpbe.pdb.sni.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 5 Mar 1996, Greg Lehey wrote: > > This is a "good news, bad news" situation. The bad news ist that it's > not legal. The good news is, the book will come free with the CD-ROM. Excellent! Any word on pricing of the package (or is the book really being given away with each CD set purchase)? -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@io.org) Systems Administrator, Internex Online Inc. "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 5 12:16:29 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA20378 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 12:16:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from Sysiphos (Sysiphos.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.212.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA20363 Tue, 5 Mar 1996 12:16:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by Sysiphos id AA02226 (5.67b/IDA-1.5); Tue, 5 Mar 1996 21:13:29 +0100 Message-Id: <199603052013.AA02226@Sysiphos> From: se@zpr.uni-koeln.de (Stefan Esser) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 21:13:28 +0100 In-Reply-To: mikebo@tellabs.com "Triton-II support... when?" (Mar 5, 13:34) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.6 alpha(2) 7/9/95) To: mikebo@tellabs.com Subject: Re: Triton-II support... when? Cc: questions@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Mar 5, 13:34, mikebo@tellabs.com wrote: } Subject: Triton-II support... when? } Greetings - } I understand that the new Triton-II chipset will be making its debut } on system boards around the end of March. I've heard it will provide for } an ~5% memory access speed gain, plus concurrent access to PCI and ISA } busses (whatever that buys me). Perhaps someone else can explain these } things better than I, and put the purported benefits of Triton-II into } perspective for us non-chipset-savvy buyers. } } I was about to upgrade a 486/50 to a 133Mhz Endevour. My questions are: } o What will Triton-II really buy me? It should be a high performance chip set with support for ECC memory and multiple Pentium CPUs. } o Is it worth a 4-6 week wait for Triton-II main boards to arrive? How could we tell whether it's worth it for YOU ? } o Will FreeBSD 2.1-RELEASE boot/run on Triton-II main boards as-is? I expect it to run out of the box. Let me know, if it doesn't. } o If not, how long will it be before Triton-II support is added to } the FreeBSD kernel? Depends on the quality of the boot message logs I get sent: Hours, if they are OK :) Regards, STefan -- Stefan Esser, Zentrum fuer Paralleles Rechnen Tel: +49 221 4706021 Universitaet zu Koeln, Weyertal 80, 50931 Koeln FAX: +49 221 4705160 ============================================================================== http://www.zpr.uni-koeln.de/~se From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 5 12:29:19 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA21463 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 12:29:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from tellab5.lisle.tellabs.com (tellab5.lisle.tellabs.com [138.111.243.28]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA21457 Tue, 5 Mar 1996 12:29:16 -0800 (PST) From: mikebo@tellabs.com Received: from sunc210.tellabs.com by tellab5.lisle.tellabs.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #4) id m0tu3Lg-000jCFC; Tue, 5 Mar 96 14:28 CST Received: by sunc210.tellabs.com (SMI-8.6/1.9) id OAA02440; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 14:28:40 -0600 Message-Id: <199603052028.OAA02440@sunc210.tellabs.com> Subject: Re: Triton-II support... when? To: se@zpr.uni-koeln.de (Stefan Esser) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 14:28:39 -0600 (CST) Cc: mikebo (Mike Borowiec), questions@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199603052013.AA02226@Sysiphos> from "Stefan Esser" at Mar 5, 96 09:13:28 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Stephan - You wrote: > On Mar 5, 13:34, mikebo@tellabs.com wrote: > } o Is it worth a 4-6 week wait for Triton-II main boards to arrive? > > How could we tell whether it's worth it > for YOU ? > I guess I was looking for personal recommendations such as: Triton-II will make ordinary Triton main boards obsolete overnight! Only a FOOL would buy a Triton main board at this point because... (INSERT COMPELLING REASONS HERE!). Based on what you wrote, I would not realize much benefit from waiting. - Mike -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Borowiec - mikebo@tellabs.com - Tellabs Operations Inc. Senior Member of Technical Staff 4951 Indiana Avenue, MS 63 708-512-8211 FAX: 708-512-7099 Lisle, IL 60532 USA -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 5 12:40:49 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA22404 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 12:40:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail11.digital.com (mail11.digital.com [192.208.46.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA22399 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 12:40:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from muggsy.lkg.dec.com by mail11.digital.com (5.65v3.2/1.0/WV) id AA20762; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 15:25:43 -0500 Received: from whydos.lkg.dec.com by muggsy.lkg.dec.com (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) with SMTP id AA28706; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 15:25:39 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by whydos.lkg.dec.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA12219; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 20:28:12 GMT Message-Id: <199603052028.UAA12219@whydos.lkg.dec.com> X-Authentication-Warning: whydos.lkg.dec.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Joe Greco Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Cogent Quartet Quad PCI Ethernet In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 05 Mar 1996 10:49:45 CST." <199603051649.KAA10842@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Date: Tue, 05 Mar 1996 20:28:11 +0000 From: Matt Thomas Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Use the ZNYX ZX314. Cogent would never release the info to make their card work. Matt Thomas Internet: matt@3am-software.com 3am Software Foundry WWW URL: http://www.3am-software.com/bio/matt.html Westford, MA Disclaimer: I disavow all knowledge of this message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 5 12:43:04 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA22595 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 12:43:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from tellab5.lisle.tellabs.com (tellab5.lisle.tellabs.com [138.111.243.28]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA22575 Tue, 5 Mar 1996 12:42:58 -0800 (PST) From: mikebo@tellabs.com Received: from sunc210.tellabs.com by tellab5.lisle.tellabs.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #4) id m0tu3Yr-000jC3C; Tue, 5 Mar 96 14:42 CST Received: by sunc210.tellabs.com (SMI-8.6/1.9) id OAA02506; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 14:42:17 -0600 Message-Id: <199603052042.OAA02506@sunc210.tellabs.com> Subject: RSA REF 2.0: Anyone ported it to FBSD yet? To: questions@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 14:42:16 -0600 (CST) Cc: mikebo (Mike Borowiec) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I looked in the packages area, but didn't see this one... Anyone know of any RSAREF(TM) 2.0 port being done for FreeBSD? - Mike -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Borowiec - mikebo@tellabs.com - Tellabs Operations Inc. Senior Member of Technical Staff 4951 Indiana Avenue, MS 63 708-512-8211 FAX: 708-512-7099 Lisle, IL 60532 USA -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 5 12:50:08 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA23304 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 12:50:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA23269 Tue, 5 Mar 1996 12:49:57 -0800 (PST) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id NAA09028; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 13:47:33 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199603052047.NAA09028@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: Triton-II support... when? To: mikebo@tellabs.com Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 13:47:33 -0700 (MST) Cc: questions@FreeBSD.org, hackers@FreeBSD.org, mikebo@freefall.freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199603051934.NAA02303@sunc210.tellabs.com> from "mikebo@tellabs.com" at Mar 5, 96 01:34:38 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I understand that the new Triton-II chipset will be making its debut > on system boards around the end of March. I've heard it will provide for > an ~5% memory access speed gain, plus concurrent access to PCI and ISA > busses (whatever that buys me). Perhaps someone else can explain these > things better than I, and put the purported benefits of Triton-II into > perspective for us non-chipset-savvy buyers. > > I was about to upgrade a 486/50 to a 133Mhz Endevour. My questions are: > o What will Triton-II really buy me? It fixes the cache writeback bug in the Triton-I. > o Is it worth a 4-6 week wait for Triton-II main boards to arrive? Is working hardware better than broken hardware? 8-). > o Will FreeBSD 2.1-RELEASE boot/run on Triton-II main boards as-is? Will FreeBSD 2.1-RELEASE boot/run on a P5 without the floating point bug? The question is basically a non-sequitur -- there is no function difference in the chipsets except the Triton-II happens to work. > o If not, how long will it be before Triton-II support is added to > the FreeBSD kernel? FreeBSD supports the Triton chipset. Since the difference between the I and II is the cache bug is fixed in the II, I can't see where fixing a bug could make it not run. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 5 12:59:43 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA24064 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 12:59:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA24055 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 12:59:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA07914; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 12:57:50 -0800 Message-Id: <199603052057.MAA07914@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 To: dennis@etinc.com (dennis) cc: "JULIAN Elischer" , aho@hyh.pc.my, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD or BSDI In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 05 Mar 1996 14:06:38 EST." <199603051906.OAA08237@etinc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 05 Mar 1996 12:57:49 -0800 From: "Amancio Hasty Jr." Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Oh, I don't know I think that what the original poster meant to ask was if there was any inherent deficiency in FreeBSD or BSDI given that BSDI or FreeBSD from a user's perspective are about the same. I guess the dominating factor here is what does the systems programmer feel most confortable or if he has any peers that are running the same OS which he can benefit from their experiences. As for the cost of an installation and testing of a new OS in a ISP environment, you can't avoid the cost. I would test the environ for a while. Over the long term support has got to be biggest concern and then upgradibility as new releases are rolled out. Amancio >>> dennis said: > Julian Elischer writes... > > > > > jkh writes... > > > > >Evaluate them both and see what you think. > > > > > >Sorry, but our position on this is that we won't make "use xxx over > > >yyy" statements given that it's impossible to even answer this > > >question correctly for any given query. Different people have > > >different needs, and whereas FreeBSD might be the clear choice for > > >one, BSDI may be a clear choice for another. > > > > > >In other words, we're not going to give you a canned answer, nor will > > >we attempt to cite "reasons" which may or may not even be relevant to > > >your situation. Get whichever OS the person who will be *maintaining* > > >your system is most comfortable with. > > > > > >Regards, > > > > > > Jordan > > > > > > > > My personal idea woudl be, "As FreeBSD is Free, you lose nothing by trying > > it out, and if you don't like it you can then pay for BSDI. Most of what y ou > > learned on FreeBSD will be relevant for FeeBSD^H^H^H^H^H^H BSDI. > > Only the code is free. The installation costs money. The use of the serial > line while your trying it costs money. The time it takes to learn how to > set up and go through the unavoidable setup problems costs money. > The cost of time exceeds the cost of the software by a factor of 10 for > BSDI. Its very expensive to chose the wrong product even if its free > initially. > > Dennis > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Emerging Technologies, Inc. http://www.etinc.com > > Synchronous Communications Cards and Routers For > Discriminating Tastes. 56k to T1 and beyond. Frame > Relay, PPP, HDLC, and X.25 for BSD/OS, FreeBSD > and LINUX > > From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 5 13:35:47 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA26799 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 13:35:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from Sysiphos (Sysiphos.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.212.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA26781 Tue, 5 Mar 1996 13:35:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by Sysiphos id AA02585 (5.67b/IDA-1.5); Tue, 5 Mar 1996 22:30:25 +0100 Message-Id: <199603052130.AA02585@Sysiphos> From: se@zpr.uni-koeln.de (Stefan Esser) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 22:30:24 +0100 In-Reply-To: mikebo@tellabs.com "Re: Triton-II support... when?" (Mar 5, 14:28) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.6 alpha(2) 7/9/95) To: mikebo@tellabs.com Subject: Re: Triton-II support... when? Cc: questions@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Mar 5, 14:28, mikebo@tellabs.com wrote: } Subject: Re: Triton-II support... when? } Stephan - } You wrote: } > On Mar 5, 13:34, mikebo@tellabs.com wrote: } > } o Is it worth a 4-6 week wait for Triton-II main boards to arrive? } > } > How could we tell whether it's worth it } > for YOU ? } > } I guess I was looking for personal recommendations such as: } Triton-II will make ordinary Triton main boards obsolete overnight! } Only a FOOL would buy a Triton main board at this point because... } (INSERT COMPELLING REASONS HERE!). } } Based on what you wrote, I would not realize much benefit from waiting. Well, ECC would be enough of a reason for me! I really don't like the lack of parity on the Triton, though I'd rather use a Triton than a Neptun (that did support Parity) for performance reasons. Now you get even more than that. Very good for a heavily loaded server that has to stay up for months ... I wouldn't expect much performance benefit, and multi-processor is currently of no value for me (I hate multi-threaded programs ;-) Regards, STefan -- Stefan Esser, Zentrum fuer Paralleles Rechnen Tel: +49 221 4706021 Universitaet zu Koeln, Weyertal 80, 50931 Koeln FAX: +49 221 4705160 ============================================================================== http://www.zpr.uni-koeln.de/~se From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 5 13:44:45 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA27598 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 13:44:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from tellab5.lisle.tellabs.com (tellab5.lisle.tellabs.com [138.111.243.28]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA27592 Tue, 5 Mar 1996 13:44:42 -0800 (PST) From: mikebo@tellabs.com Received: from sunc210.tellabs.com by tellab5.lisle.tellabs.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #4) id m0tu4Wh-000jGLC; Tue, 5 Mar 96 15:44 CST Received: by sunc210.tellabs.com (SMI-8.6/1.9) id PAA02531; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 15:44:06 -0600 Message-Id: <199603052144.PAA02531@sunc210.tellabs.com> Subject: Re: Triton-II support... when? To: terry@lambert.org (Terry Lambert) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 15:44:06 -0600 (CST) Cc: mikebo (Mike Borowiec), questions@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199603052047.NAA09028@phaeton.artisoft.com> from "Terry Lambert" at Mar 5, 96 01:47:33 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Terry Lambert wrote: > > o Will FreeBSD 2.1-RELEASE boot/run on Triton-II main boards as-is? > > Will FreeBSD 2.1-RELEASE boot/run on a P5 without the floating point > bug? The question is basically a non-sequitur -- there is no function > difference in the chipsets except the Triton-II happens to work. > Are a lot of people running FreeBSD with their Level-2 caches off? > > FreeBSD supports the Triton chipset. Since the difference between the > I and II is the cache bug is fixed in the II, I can't see where fixing > a bug could make it not run. > As I understand it, there are much more profound changes than simply one bug fix. I've been told that Triton-II: o fixes a write-back cache bug o nominally speeds all memory accesses ~5% o adds support for concurrent PCI/ISA bus accesses o adds support for multi-processing o adds support for ECC memory Seems like a *lot* more functionality than can be accounted for by a simple bug fix, no? Perhaps Terry means Triton-II implements a superset of Triton-I functionality (plus the cache bug fix) so there's no reason existing kernel code would break? That's great... I thought perhaps there was more purpose to the chipset sensing code in /usr/src/sys/pci/pcisupport.c . - Mike -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Borowiec - mikebo@tellabs.com - Tellabs Operations Inc. Senior Member of Technical Staff 4951 Indiana Avenue, MS 63 708-512-8211 FAX: 708-512-7099 Lisle, IL 60532 USA -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 5 14:15:36 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA00149 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 14:15:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from linux4nn.gn.iaf.nl (root@linux4nn.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA00144 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 14:15:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from uni4nn.iaf.nl (root@uni4nn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.33]) by linux4nn.gn.iaf.nl (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA05925; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 23:15:44 +0100 Received: by uni4nn.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA05834 (5.67b/IDA-1.5); Tue, 5 Mar 1996 23:15:21 +0100 Received: by iafnl.es.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA04210 (5.67b/IDA-1.5); Tue, 5 Mar 1996 22:20:10 +0100 Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.6.12/8.6.6) id TAA00459; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 19:24:00 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199603051824.TAA00459@yedi.iaf.nl> X-Organisation: Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem - The Netherlands Subject: Re: 3/4 -current thingie. To: mrcpu@cdsnet.net (Jaye Mathisen) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 19:24:00 +0100 (MET) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Jaye Mathisen" at Mar 5, 96 05:10:27 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > I hate this date problem... My clock is set right, how come FreeBSD can't > figure it out? > > root 79 0.0 0.2 160 128 ?? Ss 30Apr62 0:00.44 rwhod > root 88 0.0 0.0 196 144 ?? IWs 30Apr62 0:00.25 inetd the 60's: free love, free operating systems ;-) _ __________________________________________________________________________ | / o / / _ Wilko Bulte email: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl |/|/ / / /( (_) Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem - The Netherlands -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 5 14:22:49 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA00921 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 14:22:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from desiree.teleport.com (desiree.teleport.com [192.108.254.21]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA00906 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 14:22:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from linda.teleport.com (mrl@linda.teleport.com [192.108.254.12]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA16239 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 14:22:21 -0800 From: Mostyn/Annabella Received: (mrl@localhost) by linda.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA04478 for hackers@FreeBSD.org; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 14:22:19 -0800 Message-Id: <199603052222.OAA04478@linda.teleport.com> Subject: When is 2.2 Estimated to be released? To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 14:22:19 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk The subject says it. Is there a goal for release? Mostyn Lewis From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 5 14:33:39 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA01904 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 14:33:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from schizo.cdsnet.net (schizo.cdsnet.net [204.118.244.32]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA01877 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 14:33:26 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mrcpu@localhost) by schizo.cdsnet.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA22355; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 14:34:58 -0800 Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 14:34:58 -0800 (PST) From: Jaye Mathisen To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: -current MMAP vs INN 1.4unoff3 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk It's still broken, exhibits the same behaviour as a 2.1-release box, where it has problems with the active file. It would be nice if this would eventually get fixed, even if just for correctness sake, as opposed to any measurable performance increase. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 5 15:03:34 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA04252 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 15:03:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail06.mail.aol.com (mail06.mail.aol.com [152.163.172.108]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA04247 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 15:03:30 -0800 (PST) From: NIMALIN@aol.com Received: by mail06.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA03288 for hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 18:02:59 -0500 Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 18:02:59 -0500 Message-ID: <960305180258_161026659@mail06.mail.aol.com> To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: which cdrom drives support F.BSD 2.1? Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk i am going to buy a new machine with an IDE cdrom drive to install freeBSD 2.1 as i heard it supports IDE cdrom interface;but i don't know exactley which are they! SO would you please be kind to tell me which IDE cdrom drives (brands) are supported by FreeBSD 2.1. thanks, send to:NIMALIN@aol.com From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 5 15:12:28 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA05032 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 15:12:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA05016 Tue, 5 Mar 1996 15:12:16 -0800 (PST) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id QAA09368; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 16:08:28 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199603052308.QAA09368@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: Triton-II support... when? To: mikebo@tellabs.com Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 16:08:28 -0700 (MST) Cc: terry@lambert.org, mikebo@eagle.safetynet.net, questions@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199603052144.PAA02531@sunc210.tellabs.com> from "mikebo@tellabs.com" at Mar 5, 96 03:44:06 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > > o Will FreeBSD 2.1-RELEASE boot/run on Triton-II main boards as-is? > > > > Will FreeBSD 2.1-RELEASE boot/run on a P5 without the floating point > > bug? The question is basically a non-sequitur -- there is no function > > difference in the chipsets except the Triton-II happens to work. > > > Are a lot of people running FreeBSD with their Level-2 caches off? Not "off"; with writeback disabled (pick "write through in BIOS CMOS, I believe). > As I understand it, there are much more profound changes than simply > one bug fix. I've been told that Triton-II: > o fixes a write-back cache bug > o nominally speeds all memory accesses ~5% These two ar the same thing. > o adds support for concurrent PCI/ISA bus accesses Who uses ISA cards? > o adds support for multi-processing Assuming it's an MP motherboard, Triton I ought to do the same thing. > o adds support for ECC memory Still no parity, eh? 8-). > Seems like a *lot* more functionality than can be accounted for by a > simple bug fix, no? Perhaps Terry means Triton-II implements a superset > of Triton-I functionality (plus the cache bug fix) so there's no reason > existing kernel code would break? That's great... I thought perhaps > there was more purpose to the chipset sensing code in > /usr/src/sys/pci/pcisupport.c . I don't think bridge chipsets are programmed-to anyway. It's not like it can't run ing SMP spec virtual wire mode or has its own APIC. The sensing code is there for timers for ISA controller emulation, so at most it's a single line change (and that code is mostly to make the console speaker driver happy, AFAICT). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 5 15:36:23 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA07120 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 15:36:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA07114 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 15:36:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.4/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA00365; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 15:36:12 -0800 (PST) To: Mostyn/Annabella cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: When is 2.2 Estimated to be released? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 05 Mar 1996 14:22:19 PST." <199603052222.OAA04478@linda.teleport.com> Date: Tue, 05 Mar 1996 15:36:12 -0800 Message-ID: <363.826068972@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Yes, but it's still somewhat unclear. Perhaps by the end of summer, though this could be moved ahead if we decide to punt on goals like devfs and PCCARD support. Jordan > The subject says it. Is there a goal for release? > > Mostyn Lewis From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 5 15:56:48 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA08867 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 15:56:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from dyson.iquest.net (dyson.iquest.net [198.70.144.127]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA08860 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 15:56:43 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by dyson.iquest.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) id SAA23664; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 18:52:36 GMT From: "John S. Dyson" Message-Id: <199603051852.SAA23664@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Re: -current MMAP vs INN 1.4unoff3 To: mrcpu@cdsnet.net (Jaye Mathisen) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 18:52:35 +0000 () Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Jaye Mathisen" at Mar 5, 96 02:34:58 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > > It's still broken, exhibits the same behaviour as a 2.1-release box, > where it has problems with the active file. > > It would be nice if this would eventually get fixed, even if just for > correctness sake, as opposed to any measurable performance increase. > > There have been significant bugfixes in -current mmap. I wish we had a good model as to what is going on with the mmap code. I am running with an mmaped active file, but only have a partial feed. I used to have problems, but they have gone away for me. How current are you running? John From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 5 16:54:01 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA12143 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 16:54:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from rocky.sri.MT.net (rocky.sri.MT.net [204.182.243.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA12137 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 16:53:56 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.sri.MT.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA25844; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 17:56:36 -0700 Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 17:56:36 -0700 From: Nate Williams Message-Id: <199603060056.RAA25844@rocky.sri.MT.net> To: Terry Lambert Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Triton-II support... when? In-Reply-To: <199603052308.QAA09368@phaeton.artisoft.com> References: <199603052144.PAA02531@sunc210.tellabs.com> <199603052308.QAA09368@phaeton.artisoft.com> Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Terry Lambert writes: > > o adds support for ECC memory > > Still no parity, eh? 8-). ECC memory is parity memory. Nate From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 5 16:55:51 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA12231 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 16:55:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from gate.gateway.net.hk (john@gateway.hk.linkage.net [202.76.7.50]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA12226 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 16:55:48 -0800 (PST) Received: (from john@localhost) by gate.gateway.net.hk (8.7.4/8.6.12) id IAA03035; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 08:52:32 +0800 (HKT) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 08:52:32 +0800 (HKT) From: John Beukema To: FreeBSD hackers Subject: double mail Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I seem to be getting every message from this list in duplicate. I could be a problem at my end. Does anyone else have the problem? jbeukema From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 5 17:53:09 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA16074 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 17:53:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from zip.io.org (root@zip.io.org [198.133.36.80]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA16069 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 17:53:06 -0800 (PST) Received: (from taob@localhost) by zip.io.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA22723; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 19:56:18 -0500 Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 19:56:17 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Tao To: Jon Loeliger cc: Joe Greco , hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Latest 2.1R panic. Hmm. In-Reply-To: <199602282134.PAA07301@chrome.jdl.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 28 Feb 1996, Jon Loeliger wrote: > > And, on the other hand, it's kinda cool NOT to too: > > This is command 8464 in one window: > chrome 8464 % ps auxwww | grep bin/emacs > jdl 405 0.0 9.8 5956 1380 v0 SN 4Feb96 29:03.22 /usr/ > local/bin/emacs -display :0 -geometry 80x50+675+0 -f server-start What sort of limits might we be running into with long-lived processes? The oldest one I have on our machines is our IRC server: # date Tue Mar 5 19:53:52 EST 1996 # ps aux | head -2 USER PID %CPU %MEM VSZ RSS TT STAT STARTED TIME COMMAND andrew 6069 1.7 26.9 18268 17068 ?? SN 7Feb96 2834:23.83 /usr/ircd/ircd I imagine the CPU time will eventually wrap around, but other than that, the other bits of information should remain valid indefinitely. That's almost 2 days' worth of CPU time. :) -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@io.org) Systems Administrator, Internex Online Inc. "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 5 18:06:20 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA17118 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 18:06:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from schizo.cdsnet.net (schizo.cdsnet.net [204.118.244.32]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA17111 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 18:06:17 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mrcpu@localhost) by schizo.cdsnet.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA23477; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 18:07:06 -0800 Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 18:07:05 -0800 (PST) From: Jaye Mathisen To: "John S. Dyson" cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: -current MMAP vs INN 1.4unoff3 In-Reply-To: <199603051852.SAA23664@dyson.iquest.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk 3/3 SNAP. Supped on 3/4 just for grins. On Tue, 5 Mar 1996, John S. Dyson wrote: > > > > > > It's still broken, exhibits the same behaviour as a 2.1-release box, > > where it has problems with the active file. > > > > It would be nice if this would eventually get fixed, even if just for > > correctness sake, as opposed to any measurable performance increase. > > > > > There have been significant bugfixes in -current mmap. I wish we had > a good model as to what is going on with the mmap code. I am running > with an mmaped active file, but only have a partial feed. I used to > have problems, but they have gone away for me. How current are you > running? > > John > From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 5 19:02:25 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA21610 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 19:02:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from rk.ios.com (rk.ios.com [198.4.75.55]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA21602 Tue, 5 Mar 1996 19:02:21 -0800 (PST) Received: (from rashid@localhost) by rk.ios.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id WAA14996; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 22:01:51 -0500 From: Rashid Karimov Message-Id: <199603060301.WAA14996@rk.ios.com> Subject: Re: RSA REF 2.0: Anyone ported it to FBSD yet? To: mikebo@tellabs.com Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 22:01:51 -0500 (EST) Cc: questions@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org, mikebo@freefall.freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199603052042.OAA02506@sunc210.tellabs.com> from "mikebo@tellabs.com" at Mar 5, 96 02:42:16 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi there folx, > > I looked in the packages area, but didn't see this one... > Anyone know of any RSAREF(TM) 2.0 port being done for FreeBSD? > - Mike I beleive it's part of Apache SSL server ( see www.c2.org) . At least it comes as an object module. Rashid From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 5 19:41:19 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA25394 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 19:41:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from csugrad.cs.vt.edu (cremeans@csugrad.cs.vt.edu [128.173.41.74]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA25383 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 19:41:13 -0800 (PST) Received: (cremeans@localhost) by csugrad.cs.vt.edu (8.6.12/8.6.4) id WAA10648; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 22:40:26 -0500 From: Lee Cremeans Message-Id: <199603060340.WAA10648@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> Subject: Re: Intel Atlantis problems To: terry@lambert.org (Terry Lambert) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 22:40:26 -0500 (EST) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199603051836.LAA08752@phaeton.artisoft.com> from "Terry Lambert" at Mar 5, 96 11:36:08 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk [about MACH 64s and port 0x2e8] > > Thanks. Isn't this something that should go in the FAQ ? Or perhaps, > > could we remove 0x2e8 from > > > > static Port_t likely_com_ports[] = { 0x3f8, 0x2f8, 0x3e8, 0x2e8, }; > > > > in /sys/i386/isa/sio.c ? > > That's the hack. > > As to your idea, no. We should identify the Mach cards, or we should > relax the invasiveness of the SIO probe code to prevent the problem. This could work, since ATI cards in general are REALLY easy to identify. ATI writes their own BIOS usually, and grepping it for ATI's magic number should work (if that isn't a Bad Thing under Unix). The number was a string, something like "761992..." I don't remember exactly, I'll look it up in the INterrupt Lists. THere's also another number that tells you what kind of card you're working with. Lee C at school From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 5 19:52:39 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA26767 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 19:52:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from mramirez.sy.yale.edu (mramirez.sy.yale.edu [130.132.57.207]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA26744 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 19:52:29 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mrami@localhost) by mramirez.sy.yale.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id WAA09293; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 22:52:39 -0500 Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 22:52:38 -0500 (EST) From: Marc Ramirez Reply-To: mrami@minerva.cis.yale.edu To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Dell Dimension Problem -> Quantum Fireball Problem Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I found out the following: on-board IDE known-working IDE +------------------------------------- Fireball | no work no work Old 80MB sucker | work work Therefore, I conclude that the Quantum FIREBALL 1080AT does not work with FreeBSD 2.1.0-RELEASE. Strange... Anybody know about this? Is anyone else using a FIREBALL 1080AT? For those that have forgotten, the problem was corrupted reads (perhas writes, too? I don't know...) from the drive with any moderate amount of activity. Marc. -- Excerpt from conversation between customer support person and customer working for a well-known military-affiliated research lab: "You're not our only customer, you know." "But we're one of the few with tactical nuclear weapons." From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 5 20:22:53 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA29722 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 20:22:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from tellab5.lisle.tellabs.com (tellab5.lisle.tellabs.com [138.111.243.28]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA29715 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 20:22:48 -0800 (PST) From: mikebo@tellabs.com Received: from sunc210.tellabs.com by tellab5.lisle.tellabs.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #4) id m0tuAjt-000jCFC; Tue, 5 Mar 96 22:22 CST Received: by sunc210.tellabs.com (SMI-8.6/1.9) id WAA05675; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 22:22:08 -0600 Message-Id: <199603060422.WAA05675@sunc210.tellabs.com> Subject: Re: Triton-II support... when? To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 22:22:08 -0600 (CST) Cc: mikebo (Mike Borowiec) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Nate Williams writes: Terry Lambert writes: > > > o adds support for ECC memory > > > > Still no parity, eh? 8-). > > ECC memory is parity memory. > > Nate ECC requires parity memory (SIMMs) but is much better. Unlike simple parity error detection schemes which, when an error is detected, generate an NMI and crash your machine, ECC can detect and correct single bit errors. Much nicer... I wonder how we get messages about this occuring to syslog/console? - Mike -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Borowiec - mikebo@tellabs.com - Tellabs Operations Inc. Senior Member of Technical Staff 4951 Indiana Avenue, MS 63 708-512-8211 FAX: 708-512-7099 Lisle, IL 60532 USA -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 5 20:48:45 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA03245 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 20:48:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA03233 Tue, 5 Mar 1996 20:48:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.4/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA00306; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 20:48:21 -0800 (PST) To: Masahiro SEKIGUCHI cc: FreeBSD-core@FreeBSD.ORG, FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, h-kimura@tokyo.se.fujitsu.co.jp Subject: Re: Updated fe Ethernet driver for 960226 SNAP In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 04 Mar 1996 20:03:11 +0900." <199603041103.UAA11650@sphinx.sysrap.cs.fujitsu.co.jp> Date: Tue, 05 Mar 1996 20:48:21 -0800 Message-ID: <304.826087701@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Dear FreeBSD core team and hackers, > > I just put the updated version of my fe driver on freefall, as: Anyone taking this one? Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 5 21:06:09 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA06013 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 21:06:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from rocky.sri.MT.net (rocky.sri.MT.net [204.182.243.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA06005 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 21:06:06 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.sri.MT.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id WAA26261; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 22:08:38 -0700 Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 22:08:38 -0700 From: Nate Williams Message-Id: <199603060508.WAA26261@rocky.sri.MT.net> To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: When is 2.2 Estimated to be released? In-Reply-To: <363.826068972@time.cdrom.com> References: <199603052222.OAA04478@linda.teleport.com> <363.826068972@time.cdrom.com> Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Jordan K. Hubbard writes: > Yes, but it's still somewhat unclear. Perhaps by the end of summer, > though this could be moved ahead if we decide to punt on goals like > devfs and PCCARD support. Quick update: I'm working on PC-CARD support now for work, and I just downloaded the new APM 1.2 spec from Intel and M$ this afternoon. APM is currently very broken, so I'm trying to make it work before tackling the rest of the PC-CARD stuff. Nate From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 5 21:08:48 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA06550 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 21:08:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA06248 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 21:07:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA23194; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 15:41:55 +1030 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199603060511.PAA23194@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Triton-II support... when? To: nate@sri.MT.net (Nate Williams) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 15:41:55 +1030 (CST) Cc: terry@lambert.org, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199603060056.RAA25844@rocky.sri.MT.net> from "Nate Williams" at Mar 5, 96 05:56:36 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Nate Williams stands accused of saying: > > Terry Lambert writes: > > > o adds support for ECC memory > > > > Still no parity, eh? 8-). > > ECC memory is parity memory. You mean Triton-II supports parity, and they're calling it ECC, or Triton-II supports ECC, and you're calling ECC parity? The latter is arguably incorrect, and is certainly incorrect in common usage. ECC setups usually use 39-bit stores for 32-bit words and Gray coding (or a variation theron) to provide single-bit correction and double- bit error detection. > Nate -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 5 21:14:12 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA07456 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 21:14:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA07448 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 21:14:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.4/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA01705; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 21:14:01 -0800 (PST) To: Nate Williams cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: When is 2.2 Estimated to be released? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 05 Mar 1996 22:08:38 MST." <199603060508.WAA26261@rocky.sri.MT.net> Date: Tue, 05 Mar 1996 21:14:01 -0800 Message-ID: <1699.826089241@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > I'm working on PC-CARD support now for work, and I just downloaded the > new APM 1.2 spec from Intel and M$ this afternoon. APM is currently > very broken, so I'm trying to make it work before tackling the rest of > the PC-CARD stuff. Great! I didn't mean to denigrate the importance of devfs or PCCARD development, simply to state that some of our wish-list items might have to go in the list for 2.3 or something if we don't want to risk 2.2 becoming a kitchen-sink release with no chance of seeing the light of day before '97.. :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 5 21:33:05 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA10193 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 21:33:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from gate.gateway.net.hk (john@gateway.hk.linkage.net [202.76.7.50]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA10186 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 21:33:02 -0800 (PST) Received: (from john@localhost) by gate.gateway.net.hk (8.7.4/8.6.12) id NAA01352; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 13:29:17 +0800 (HKT) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 13:29:17 +0800 (HKT) From: John Beukema To: Anthony Ho cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD or BSDI In-Reply-To: <149@hyh.pc.my> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk 1. Both are good, mature systems and work well. 2. If you can get up and running on FreeBSD great. The more you know, the more reasons to go FreeBSD. 3. BSDI supposedly has telephone support but it will not do you much good in this time zone. 4. the FreeBSD support groups are friendly, helpful and the documentation is getting better all the time. There are a lot of ISPs running FreeBSD. 5. Be careful with both systems that you get compatible equipment but FreeBSD has more drivers. Read the equipment FAQs 6. $995 is without source code. It is very handy to have source code when a problem arises and you cannot understand what is happening. 7. BSDI comes with more systems configured but all of the ISP packages are available as packages (self installing) or ports (nearly so). My recommendation would be to go FreeBSD but only RELEASES 2.1.0 and later 2.2R unless you realy know what you are doing. I started with BSDI at Gateway.net.hk as a newbie and then installed FreeBSD on a big busy news server for another HK ISP In any event you are on the right track -- they are very similar systems. jbeukema On Sun, 3 Mar 1996, Anthony Ho wrote: > We are thinking of setting up an Internet Server (for email and web, > ftp). > > Should we use FreeBSD or BSDI. Please give reasons. > > Thks. > > --- > Anthony Ho fax: (605)-255-1215 > 121 Jalan Kuala Kangsar tel: (605)-254-9690 > 30010 Ipoh, Malaysia. tlx: MA 44340 > Internet: aho@hyh.pc.my > From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 5 22:31:26 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA18973 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 22:31:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA18939 Tue, 5 Mar 1996 22:31:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id WAA02818; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 22:30:23 -0800 Message-Id: <199603060630.WAA02818@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 To: hackers@freebsd.org cc: Denis DeLaRoca 825-4580 (310) , multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: notebooks and FreeBSD Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 05 Mar 1996 22:30:22 -0800 From: "Amancio Hasty Jr." Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi, The context here is mbone tools for notebooks and the current state of FreeBSD support for notebooks. A few people have expressed interest in using notebooks for multimedia purposes. So if anybody knows of a cool pcmia video capture card which we can support please let us know. Cheers, Amancio ------- Forwarded Message Return-Path: CSP1DWD@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU Received: from MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (mvs.oac.ucla.edu [164.67.200.200]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA01355 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 1996 16:32:01 -0800 Message-Id: <199603060032.QAA01355@rah.star-gate.com> Received: from UCLAMVS.BITNET by MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (IBM MVS SMTP V2R2.1) with BSMTP id 7621; Tue, 05 Mar 96 16:33:27 PST Date: Tue, 05 Mar 96 16:33 PST To: "Amancio Hasty Jr." From: Denis DeLaRoca (310) 825-4580 Subject: Re: Re: Laptops in general On Tue, 05 Mar 1996 13:46:48 -0800, "Amancio Hasty Jr." said: > If a laptop has a parallel port then I don't see any reasons why a Quickcam wi > nv or vic will not work. > > Does anyone have a good pointer for pcmia video grabbers and of course a point > to how to program the pcimia grabber. But more basic, does FreeBSD run fine now on some of the latest SVGA notebooks with sound support and CD-ROMs... I understood that FreeBSD wasn't quite yet up to speed in regards PCMCIA and sleep/resume support. I'd be quite happy if I could merely use the MBONE tools in "receive" mode... - -- Denis ------- End of Forwarded Message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 6 00:22:57 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA10368 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 00:22:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from nixpbe.pdb.sni.de (mail.sni.de [192.109.2.33]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA10340 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 00:22:49 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nerv@localhost) by nixpbe.pdb.sni.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA17037 for hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 09:22:18 +0100 Message-Id: <199603060822.JAA17037@nixpbe.pdb.sni.de> Subject: Re: FreeBSD or BSDI To: dennis@etinc.com (dennis) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 96 9:18:49 MET From: Greg Lehey Cc: hackers@freebsd.org (Hackers; FreeBSD), aho@hyh.pc.my (Anthony Ho) In-Reply-To: <199603051906.OAA08237@etinc.com>; from "dennis" at Mar 5, 96 2:06 pm X-Mailer: xmail 2.4 (based on ELM 2.2 PL16) Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Julian Elischer writes... > >> >> jkh writes... >> >>> Evaluate them both and see what you think. >>> >> My personal idea woudl be, "As FreeBSD is Free, you lose nothing by trying >> it out, and if you don't like it you can then pay for BSDI. Most of what you >> learned on FreeBSD will be relevant for FeeBSD^H^H^H^H^H^H BSDI. > > Only the code is free. The installation costs money. The use of the serial > line while your trying it costs money. The time it takes to learn how to > set up and go through the unavoidable setup problems costs money. > The cost of time exceeds the cost of the software by a factor of 10 for > BSDI. Its very expensive to chose the wrong product even if its free > initially. Well, I understand your statements individually, and I agree with most of them (not, a priori, with the ten-to-1 relationship between time and money--how did you calculate that?), but I don't understand what you're trying to say. Does this relate specifically to F[r]eeBSD? Greg From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 6 00:38:03 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA14053 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 00:38:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de [137.226.31.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA13988 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 00:37:51 -0800 (PST) Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id JAA26925; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 09:43:03 +0100 From: "Christoph P. Kukulies" Message-Id: <199603060843.JAA26925@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> Subject: Re: SAMBA and WFW To: jerry@border.com (Jerry Kendall) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 09:43:02 +0100 (MET) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <96Mar5.144601est.20483-1@janus.border.com> from "Jerry Kendall" at Mar 5, 96 02:35:09 pm Reply-To: Christoph Kukulies X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 ME8b] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > > > I have been trying for about 3 weeks now to get WFW 3.11 to access my > samba drives.... > > Can some nice sole send me their smb.conf files...... Thanks for all the fish :-) Do you have TCP/IP installed under WfW 3.11 - You should, otherwise nogo. I start smbd/nmbd from /etc/rc.local: /usr/local/samba/bin/nmbd -B xxx.yyy.zzz.255 -G YOURGROUP /usr/local/samba/bin/smbd -D xxx.yyy.zzz stands for the network number portion of a class C net in this case. establish a guest and a pcguest account. Entry in /usr/local/samba/lib/smb.conf: [sample] path = /usr/kuku username = kuku printer name = lp0 print command = /usr/bin/lpr -h -P%p %s lpq command = /usr/bin/lpq -P%p printer name = lp0 read only = no writable = yes set directory = no > > All I need at the moment is the ability to have WFW access my > /home filesystem.... Nothing more... > > Please include all commands that are needed to start it up.. In case > I am missing something . > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Any comments or opinions in this message are my own and may or may not reflect > the comments or opinions of my present or previous employers. > > Jerry Kendall Border Network Technologies Inc. > System Software Engineer Tel +1-416-368-7157 ext 303 > jerry@border.com Fax +1-416-368-7178 > > > --Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 6 00:48:23 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA16937 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 00:48:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA16916 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 00:48:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id AAA03554; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 00:47:41 -0800 Message-Id: <199603060847.AAA03554@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 To: Nate Williams cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Triton-II support... when? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 05 Mar 1996 17:56:36 MST." <199603060056.RAA25844@rocky.sri.MT.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 06 Mar 1996 00:47:40 -0800 From: "Amancio Hasty Jr." Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I think that Triton II is supposed to have support for a high speed serial bus (I heard quotes of 12mbits/sec) which will be great to have 8) Enjoy, Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 6 00:56:42 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA18689 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 00:56:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from nixpbe.pdb.sni.de (mail.sni.de [192.109.2.33]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA18658 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 00:56:37 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nerv@localhost) by nixpbe.pdb.sni.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA19389 for hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 09:56:19 +0100 Message-Id: <199603060856.JAA19389@nixpbe.pdb.sni.de> Subject: Re: Triton-II support... when? To: terry@lambert.org (Terry Lambert) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 96 9:52:53 MET From: Greg Lehey Cc: hackers@freebsd.org (Hackers; FreeBSD) In-Reply-To: <199603052308.QAA09368@phaeton.artisoft.com>; from "Terry Lambert" at Mar 5, 96 4:08 pm X-Mailer: xmail 2.4 (based on ELM 2.2 PL16) Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >>> Will FreeBSD 2.1-RELEASE boot/run on a P5 without the floating point >>> bug? The question is basically a non-sequitur -- there is no function >>> difference in the chipsets except the Triton-II happens to work. >>> >> Are a lot of people running FreeBSD with their Level-2 caches off? > > Not "off"; with writeback disabled (pick "write through in BIOS CMOS, > I believe). > >> As I understand it, there are much more profound changes than simply >> one bug fix. I've been told that Triton-II: >> o adds support for concurrent PCI/ISA bus accesses > > Who uses ISA cards? How many people have really 0 ISA boards in their machine? Considering that ISA places such a load on the bus, it seems a good idea to me. >> o adds support for ECC memory > > Still no parity, eh? 8-). By itself? I don't know. If they have ECC, you'd think that they'd allow you to just use the parity bit. Greg From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 6 00:58:27 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA19138 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 00:58:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from inetnif.niftyserve.or.jp (uucp@inetnif.niftyserve.or.jp [192.47.24.129]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA19120 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 00:58:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by inetnif.niftyserve.or.jp (8.6.9+2.4W/3.3W8-950117-Mail-Gateway) id RAA06051; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 17:58:27 +0900 Message-Id: <199603060858.RAA06051@inetnif.niftyserve.or.jp> Date: Wed, 06 Mar 1996 17:50:00 +0900 From: "=?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCNFohIVp4GyhC?= " Subject: Help To: hackers@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Question Sheet Dun&Bradstreet Technology Asia Support Team Jun Matsui 1996/03/06 81[Japan]-3-3740-5451 Problem: We are trying to install 'FreeBSD' into our DOS/V machine ( IBM PC/AT compatib le machine ), but the problem below occurs. 1) After installing, we start X-window system by typing command 'startx'. 2) X-windows ( login window and one xterm window) and mouse pointer appear in the monitor. 3) Can type from keyboard but CAN'T move mouse pointer by moving mouse. The mouse can NOT work. Machine environment: Digital Equipment Celebris 90. Mouse connection : Mouse port. Not use COM port. Bios : Phonics Bios. Mouse port Bios set: PS/2 [Enable] IRQ 12 Boot message : mse0 wrong signature ff mse0 not found 0x23c No psm of boot message seen. The DOS/Windows system is also installed in the same machine. In DOS/Windows system,the mouse works correctly. We almost success the installing, so give us some information to solute this p roblem to the below address. If you need more detail information about it, please send what you need to the below address also. Our address is gfd01536@niftyserve.or.jp Sincerely. From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 6 01:36:21 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA00123 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 01:36:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA29986 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 01:36:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id BAA03960; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 01:35:26 -0800 Message-Id: <199603060935.BAA03960@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 To: Greg Lehey cc: terry@lambert.org (Terry Lambert), hackers@freebsd.org (Hackers; FreeBSD) Subject: Re: Triton-II support... when? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 06 Mar 1996 09:52:53 +0700." <199603060856.JAA19389@nixpbe.pdb.sni.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 06 Mar 1996 01:35:25 -0800 From: "Amancio Hasty Jr." Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >>> Greg Lehey said: > > Who uses ISA cards? > > How many people have really 0 ISA boards in their machine? > Considering that ISA places such a load on the bus, it seems a good > idea to me. > Oh, don't pay attention to Terry's complete dislike for ISA cards. Darn, I just figured out that with a Triton II chipset and USB Universal Serial Bus ( http://www.intel.com/IAL/pccomm/index.htm) the only thing that I would have on a ISA slot is my GUS PnP :( Enjoy, Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 6 01:39:47 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA01028 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 01:39:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from nixpbe.pdb.sni.de (mail.sni.de [192.109.2.33]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA01007 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 01:39:43 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nerv@localhost) by nixpbe.pdb.sni.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA22324 for hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 10:39:24 +0100 Message-Id: <199603060939.KAA22324@nixpbe.pdb.sni.de> Subject: Re: Triton-II support... when? To: hasty@rah.star-gate.com (Amancio Hasty Jr.) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 96 10:35:58 MET From: Greg Lehey Cc: hackers@freebsd.org (Hackers; FreeBSD) In-Reply-To: <199603060935.BAA03960@rah.star-gate.com>; from "Amancio Hasty Jr." at Mar 06, 96 1:35 am X-Mailer: xmail 2.4 (based on ELM 2.2 PL16) Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > >>>> Greg Lehey said: >> > Who uses ISA cards? >> >> How many people have really 0 ISA boards in their machine? >> Considering that ISA places such a load on the bus, it seems a good >> idea to me. >> > > Oh, don't pay attention to Terry's complete dislike for ISA cards. Well, I don't like them either. I was just curious about how many people had got round to running systems with none. I have a Triton on my BSDI box, and once I get the latest X server and a new SCSI controller, I'll be left with just an ISA Ethernet board, but I just can't see any reason to change that. > Darn, I just figured out that with a Triton II chipset and USB > Universal Serial Bus ( http://www.intel.com/IAL/pccomm/index.htm) > the only thing that I would have on a ISA slot is my GUS PnP :( There we go. Looks like ISA is not long for this Earth. Greg From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 6 02:52:45 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA10319 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 02:52:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA10314 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 02:52:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.4/8.6.9) with SMTP id CAA14870; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 02:52:33 -0800 (PST) To: "=?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCNFohIVp4GyhC?= " cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Help In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 06 Mar 1996 17:50:00 +0900." <199603060858.RAA06051@inetnif.niftyserve.or.jp> Date: Wed, 06 Mar 1996 02:52:32 -0800 Message-ID: <14868.826109552@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Problem: > We are trying to install 'FreeBSD' into our DOS/V machine ( IBM PC/AT compati This should actually go to questions@freebsd.org, just for future reference. > 1) After installing, we start X-window system by typing command 'startx'. > 2) X-windows ( login window and one xterm window) and mouse pointer appear in You have not configured your PS/2 mouse. Please see: http://www.jp.freebsd.org/www.freebsd.org/FAQ/freebsd-faq.html And look under section 2.7. Thank you. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 6 03:15:38 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA12269 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 03:15:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from isbalham (isbalham.ist.co.uk [192.31.26.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA12260 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 03:15:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from gid.co.uk (uucp@localhost) by isbalham (8.6.12/8.6.12) with UUCP id LAA16950; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 11:05:13 GMT Received: from [194.32.164.2] by seagoon.gid.co.uk; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 10:26:41 GMT X-Sender: rb@194.32.164.1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 10:28:21 +0000 To: Jerry Kendall From: rb@gid.co.uk (Bob Bishop) Subject: Re: SAMBA and WFW Cc: FreeBSD Hackers Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk At 2:35 pm 5/3/96, Jerry Kendall wrote: >I have been trying for about 3 weeks now to get WFW 3.11 to access my >samba drives.... > >Can some nice sole send me their smb.conf files...... Sounds fishy to me :-) >All I need at the moment is the ability to have WFW access my >/home filesystem.... Nothing more... > >Please include all commands that are needed to start it up.. In case >I am missing something . Here's the setup that works for me: In /etc/services (can't remember whether I had to add these): netbios-ns 137/tcp # NETBIOS Name Service netbios-ns 137/udp netbios-dgm 138/tcp # NETBIOS Datagram Service netbios-dgm 138/udp netbios-ssn 139/tcp # NETBIOS session service netbios-ssn 139/udp In /etc/inetd.conf: netbios-ssn stream tcp nowait root /usr/local/samba/smbd smbd -d1 netbios-ns dgram udp wait root /usr/local/samba/nmbd nmbd -d1 -G WORKGROUP Make the obvious change if your workgroup isn't called WORKGROUP. And my smb.conf: seagoon:rb > cat /usr/local/samba/lib/smb.conf [global] printing = bsd printcap name = /etc/printcap load printers = yes guest account = daemon [printers] comment = All Printers browseable = no printable = yes public = yes writable = no create mode = 0700 [homes] guest ok = no read only = no [fs7] comment = seagoon:/fs7 path = /fs7 ; public = yes writable = yes printable = no [cdrom] comment = seagoon:/cdrom path = /cdrom public = yes writable = no printable = no seagoon:rb > This gives access to all configured (in /etc/printcap) printers, home directories, and /fs7 [password required] and /cdrom [no password required] explicitly. If you just want homes, I think you only need the [global] and [homes] sections. At the WFW end, you must be running TCP/IP (which doesn't come as standard but is freely available). Also, I believe you have to have the LMHOSTS file set up (I usually populate both HOSTS and LMHOSTS because I can never remember which does what). -- Bob Bishop (01734) 774017 international code +44 1734 rb@gid.co.uk fax (01734) 894254 between 0800 and 1800 UK From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 6 04:13:23 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA15623 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 04:13:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA15616 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 04:13:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.4/8.6.9) with SMTP id EAA15188 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 04:13:16 -0800 (PST) To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Linux vs FreeBSD comparison - it's time, I think! Date: Wed, 06 Mar 1996 04:13:16 -0800 Message-ID: <15186.826114396@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk So many people ask me for comparative data on the two operating systems that I think it's time to give them what they want. As much as we generally dislike "taking positions" like that, I think we're only hurting ourselves at this point by hiding our light under a bushel, and the Linux advocates have never pulled their own punches here. It's time to blow our own trumpets a bit! We deserve it. In order to do this right (in some place in our WEB pages, I guess), we need to start collecting references to benchmark results, user testimonials and other "bullet point lists" of FreeBSD's principle strengths. If someone wants to take the point position on this, I'd also be very appreciative - I don't have as much time for these kinds of activities as I'd like. I'm also happy to offer a FreeBSD CD subscription as a bribe, if it'll help! :-) The resulting comparison should ideally be no more than a netscape-sized page long, and written in HTML. Thanks! Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 6 04:27:41 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA16732 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 04:27:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from wa3ymh.transsys.com (#6@wa3ymh.TransSys.COM [144.202.42.42]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA16727 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 04:27:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from wa3ymh.transsys.com (#6@localhost.TransSys.COM [127.0.0.1]) by wa3ymh.transsys.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA01394; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 07:25:25 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199603061225.HAA01394@wa3ymh.transsys.com> To: Greg Lehey cc: hasty@rah.star-gate.com (Amancio Hasty Jr.), hackers@freebsd.org (Hackers; FreeBSD) From: "Louis A. Mamakos" Subject: Re: Triton-II support... when? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 06 Mar 1996 10:35:58 +0700." <199603060939.KAA22324@nixpbe.pdb.sni.de> Date: Wed, 06 Mar 1996 07:25:24 -0500 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > > >>>> Greg Lehey said: > >> > Who uses ISA cards? > >> > >> How many people have really 0 ISA boards in their machine? > >> Considering that ISA places such a load on the bus, it seems a good > >> idea to me. > >> > > > > Oh, don't pay attention to Terry's complete dislike for ISA cards. > > Well, I don't like them either. I was just curious about how many > people had got round to running systems with none. I have a Triton on > my BSDI box, and once I get the latest X server and a new SCSI > controller, I'll be left with just an ISA Ethernet board, but I just > can't see any reason to change that. > > > Darn, I just figured out that with a Triton II chipset and USB > > Universal Serial Bus ( http://www.intel.com/IAL/pccomm/index.htm) > > the only thing that I would have on a ISA slot is my GUS PnP :( I'm in the same boat here too. The only thing on the ISA bus is the GUS sound board; 3 of 4 PCI slots have ethernet, video and SCSI controllers in therem. PCI is better plug-n-plan than ISA P-n-P is.. louie From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 6 04:48:53 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA18058 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 04:48:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from zed.ludd.luth.se (root@zed.ludd.luth.se [130.240.16.33]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA18052 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 04:48:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from father.ludd.luth.se (father.ludd.luth.se [130.240.16.18]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.7.2/8.7.2) with ESMTP id NAA26845; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 13:48:45 +0100 Received: (dot@localhost) by father.ludd.luth.se (8.6.11/8.6.11) id NAA03024; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 13:48:27 +0100 Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 13:48:23 +0100 (MET) From: Magnus Enbom To: mrami@minerva.cis.yale.edu cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Dell Dimension Problem -> Quantum Fireball Problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Tue, 5 Mar 1996, Marc Ramirez wrote: > I found out the following: > > on-board IDE known-working IDE > +------------------------------------- > Fireball | no work no work > Old 80MB sucker | work work > > Therefore, I conclude that the Quantum FIREBALL 1080AT does not work with > FreeBSD 2.1.0-RELEASE. Strange... > > Anybody know about this? Is anyone else using a FIREBALL 1080AT? I have installed two 2.1.0-RELEASE systems with IDE-fireballs , both works fine. /dot From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 6 04:59:05 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA18627 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 04:59:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from rd.zgik.zaporizhzhe.ua (rd.zgik.zaporizhzhe.ua [193.124.62.69]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA18613 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 04:58:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by rd.zgik.zaporizhzhe.ua id AA03103 (5.65c8/IDA-1.4.4 for hackers@freebsd.org); Wed, 6 Mar 1996 14:57:46 +0200 Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 14:57:42 +0200 (UKR) From: Yury Pshenychny To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Bug in serial line IP implementation Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi! 2.1.0R and, AFAIK, -current slip implementation buggy. Slip discipline ioctl SLIOCSUNIT not work properly. Code from 2.1.0R: (file /sys/net/if_sl.c, lines 371-373) case SLIOCSUNIT: sc->sc_if.if_unit = *(u_int *)data; break; This code is dangerous. This code change unit number of current slip interface. There absolutely no warranty, but if you running slattach -S 1 you may have two or more interfaces named sl1 in system. Some times this hangs all net-related activity, some times not. Any suggestions? Do not respond with 'not use slattach -S' please, fixed unit feature in slip implementation still important for me. -- Yura From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 6 05:51:39 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA20927 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 05:51:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from distortion.eng.umd.edu (distortion.eng.umd.edu [129.2.98.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA20920 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 05:51:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from gilligan.eng.umd.edu (gilligan.eng.umd.edu [129.2.98.205]) by distortion.eng.umd.edu (8.7.4/8.7) with ESMTP id IAA09082; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 08:51:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from chuckr@localhost) by gilligan.eng.umd.edu (8.7.4/8.7) id IAA22378; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 08:51:32 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 08:51:32 -0500 (EST) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@gilligan.eng.umd.edu To: Nate Williams cc: Terry Lambert , hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Triton-II support... when? In-Reply-To: <199603060056.RAA25844@rocky.sri.MT.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 5 Mar 1996, Nate Williams wrote: > Terry Lambert writes: > > > o adds support for ECC memory > > > > Still no parity, eh? 8-). > > ECC memory is parity memory. I thought ECC meant "Error Correcting Code", like a Hamming code. It really means parity? > > > > Nate > ========================================================================== Chuck Robey chuckr@eng.umd.edu, I run FreeBSD-current on n3lxx + Journey2 Three Accounts for the Super-users in the sky, Seven for the Operators in their halls of fame, Nine for Ordinary Users doomed to crie, One for the Illegal Cracker with his evil game In the Domains of Internet where the data lie. One Account to rule them all, One Account to watch them, One Account to make them all and in the network bind them. From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 6 05:56:31 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA21178 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 05:56:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from border.com (ns [199.71.190.98]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA21173 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 05:56:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by janus.border.com id <20481-1>; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 09:07:16 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 08:56:02 -0500 From: Jerry Kendall To: FreeBSD Hackers Subject: Re: FreeBSD or BSDI In-Reply-To: <199603052057.MAA07914@rah.star-gate.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: <96Mar6.090716est.20481-1@janus.border.com> Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 5 Mar 1996, Amancio Hasty Jr. wrote: > I guess the dominating factor here is what does the systems programmer > feel most confortable or if he has any peers that are running the > same OS which he can benefit from their experiences. I may be overstating the obvious here..... How many people are on the hackers/questions mailing lists???? If that is'nt 'peers that are running the same OS which he can benefit from their experiences'. I don't know what is... I have tried BSDI(I work with it), NetBSD(I work with that too), FreeBSD(at home and I work with it), and have worked with others such as AIX, Solaris(Also have that at home), and SCO. Don't forget Coherent. Of all the above(including Linux, yuk! yuk!) I feel FreeBSD is the best for ME... I would NOT impose this upon others because their needs are most likely to be different than mine... Just my $0.02 worth here... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Any comments or opinions in this message are my own and may or may not reflect the comments or opinions of my present or previous employers. Jerry Kendall Border Network Technologies Inc. System Software Engineer Tel +1-416-368-7157 ext 303 jerry@border.com Fax +1-416-368-7178 From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 6 06:30:04 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA23586 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 06:30:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from ra.dkuug.dk (ra.dkuug.dk [193.88.44.193]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA23537 Wed, 6 Mar 1996 06:29:55 -0800 (PST) Received: (from sos@localhost) by ra.dkuug.dk (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA04245; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 15:16:55 +0100 Message-Id: <199603061416.PAA04245@ra.dkuug.dk> Subject: Linux ELF newsflash !!! To: hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 15:16:54 +0100 (MET) Cc: peter@freebsd.org From: sos@freebsd.org Reply-to: sos@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Its come so far, I've run the first (ever) Linux ELF binary on my -current system: (sos@CatFish)[63]> pwd /usr/home/sos/import/ELF-linux/bin (sos@CatFish)[64]> file ls ls: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (sos@CatFish)[62]> ./ls ELF PT_PHDR section <8000034> ELF PT_INTERP section ELF PT_LOAD section .text <08000000,00007000> entry=08000d10 ELF PT_LOAD section bss size 6988 (1b4c) .data <08007000,00002000> ELF PT_DYNAMIC section ?? ELF(file) PT_LOAD section .text <10000000,00005000> entry=10000930 ELF(file) PT_LOAD section bss size 2232 (8b8) .data <10005000,00001000> ELF(file) PT_DYNAMIC section LINUX FIXUP chgrp cp dircolors ln mkdir mv touch chmod dd du ls mkfifo rm chown df ed ls.core mknod rmdir (sos@CatFish)[64]> And FreeBSD native ELF bins works out of the box... So know you know, (and NO quake doesn't run yet...) back to hacking.. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Soren Schmidt (sos@FreeBSD.org) FreeBSD Core Team So much code to hack -- so little time. From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 6 07:00:09 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA25554 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 07:00:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from terra.Sarnoff.COM (terra.sarnoff.com [130.33.11.203]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA25501 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 07:00:03 -0800 (PST) Received: (from rminnich@localhost) by terra.Sarnoff.COM (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA24572; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 09:56:10 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 09:56:09 -0500 (EST) From: "Ron G. Minnich" To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Linux vs FreeBSD comparison - it's time, I think! In-Reply-To: <15186.826114396@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Sounds fine to me, but I think we should make an effort to be absolutely fair and to show some integrity. All numbers should be verified with 2 or more people, and pointers to the results should be maintained. If we get a rep for playing fast and loose with the facts then we have a problem. If we get a rep for being honest and being willing to give linux its due (and it does have its good points) then we get to be an honest broker. ron Ron Minnich |" Microsoft Word: It does so little and it does rminnich@sarnoff.com | it so slowly" -- Maya Gokhale (609)-734-3120 | ftp://ftp.sarnoff.com/pub/mnfs/www/docs/cluster.html From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 6 07:17:21 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA26766 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 07:17:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from nightflight.com (nightflight.com [206.153.163.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA26761 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 07:17:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from DTIHOST.datatrek.com (gcrutcher.datatrek.com [204.33.82.254]) by nightflight.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA22312; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 07:23:58 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960306152135.00684040@nightflight.com> X-Sender: gcrutchr@nightflight.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 06 Mar 1996 07:21:35 -0800 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" From: Gary Crutcher Subject: Re: Linux vs FreeBSD comparison - it's time, I think! Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Having originally purchased and installed BSDI, it is really a no-brainer to install. Just answer the questions, and you are basically up and running. The caveat for me was this: sgl user license $ 995 16 user license 1995 (this may be 64 user license, don't remember) unlimited 2995 For an individual, or small business on a budget. This can be an issue. I also installed Linux, and did not like it. So...when I came across FreeBSD, I installed it, tried, and liked it very much. Other than minor gliches, it has worked flawlessly for me for over 6 months. One thing I did do BEFORE I PURCHASED ANY OF THE ABOVE OSes: Check hardware compaitbility for these products. Looking back, I still would have made the same decision. The only product I have found that would not work under FreeBSD is the EXCITE Search engine, and this is because they packed the BSDI version of perl in it and the makefile extracts it and uses it, which causes a coredump. Other than that, my Web site is working like a charm. The $39.95 I paid for the FreeBSD CD-ROMs have been well worth the money. I have suggested FreeBSD to others who have asked me about low-cost, high quality UNIX software for Web sites. Anyway, that's my 2 cents worth. Gary At 04:13 AM 3/6/96 -0800, you wrote: >So many people ask me for comparative data on the two operating >systems that I think it's time to give them what they want. > >As much as we generally dislike "taking positions" like that, I think >we're only hurting ourselves at this point by hiding our light under a >bushel, and the Linux advocates have never pulled their own punches >here. It's time to blow our own trumpets a bit! We deserve it. > >In order to do this right (in some place in our WEB pages, I guess), >we need to start collecting references to benchmark results, user >testimonials and other "bullet point lists" of FreeBSD's principle >strengths. > >If someone wants to take the point position on this, I'd also be very >appreciative - I don't have as much time for these kinds of activities >as I'd like. I'm also happy to offer a FreeBSD CD subscription as a >bribe, if it'll help! :-) > >The resulting comparison should ideally be no more than a >netscape-sized page long, and written in HTML. > >Thanks! > > Jordan > > ------------------------------------------------------------- Gary Crutcher E-mail: gcrutchr@nightflight.com Webmaster URL: http://www.nightflight.com Voice: 619-631-0666 ------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 6 07:20:37 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA26982 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 07:20:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA26971 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 07:20:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rover.village.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id IAA22625; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 08:19:56 -0700 Message-Id: <199603061519.IAA22625@rover.village.org> To: "Ron G. Minnich" Subject: Re: Linux vs FreeBSD comparison - it's time, I think! Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of Wed, 06 Mar 1996 09:56:09 EST Date: Wed, 06 Mar 1996 08:19:55 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk : Sounds fine to me, but I think we should make an effort to be absolutely : fair and to show some integrity. All numbers should be verified with : 2 or more people, and pointers to the results should be maintained. If we : get a rep for playing fast and loose with the facts then we have a : problem. If we get a rep for being honest and being willing to give linux : its due (and it does have its good points) then we get to be an honest : broker. Yes. I agree. We should also pick stable versions of Linux. Right now the 1.3.x series is going through a rough patch. We should likely compare 1.4.x to 2.1-stable. Later, we can compare 1.5.x to 2.2. Also, which distribution of Linux becomes a problem... Things that FreeBSD is good at, relative to older linuxes (and maybe current ones): *LARGE* numbers of FTP users *HUGE* routing tables *INSANE* HTTP performance Linux seems to be a little better at context switch time and low low level things like that, but doesn't scale well. That would be a good selling point. Just some thoughts. I know that the Linux folks are doing work in the performance areas as we speak... Warner From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 6 07:41:22 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA28583 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 07:41:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from rocky.sri.MT.net (rocky.sri.MT.net [204.182.243.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA28577 Wed, 6 Mar 1996 07:41:18 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.sri.MT.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id IAA27247; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 08:43:57 -0700 Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 08:43:57 -0700 From: Nate Williams Message-Id: <199603061543.IAA27247@rocky.sri.MT.net> To: "Amancio Hasty Jr." Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, Denis DeLaRoca 825-4580 (310) , multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: notebooks and FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <199603060630.WAA02818@rah.star-gate.com> References: <199603060630.WAA02818@rah.star-gate.com> Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > Does anyone have a good pointer for pcmia video grabbers and of > > course a point to how to program the pcimia grabber. Unless you get programming device from the manufacturer, you won't be able to program a grabber, but all the code for the PCMCIA stuff already exists in the current drivers. > But more basic, does FreeBSD run fine now on some of the latest SVGA > notebooks with sound support and CD-ROMs... Sound yes, CD-ROMS maybe. My NEC Versa P has an Ensonic Sound System on-board which runs in SB emulation under FreeBSD. If you can get the sound-drivers to work on a Sound-Blaster and/or get support for the ESS the new NECS will work. The built-in CD should work whenever we get generic EIDE support working on FreeBSD, but so far that's been hit and miss. > I understood that FreeBSD > wasn't quite yet up to speed in regards PCMCIA and sleep/resume support. I'm working on that now. > I'd be quite happy if I could merely use the MBONE tools in "receive" > mode... I think so. Nate From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 6 07:42:13 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA28696 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 07:42:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from etinc.com (etinc.com [204.141.244.98]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA28689 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 07:42:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from dialup-usr11.etinc.com (dialup-usr11.etinc.com [204.141.95.132]) by etinc.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA01428; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 10:44:15 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 10:44:15 -0500 Message-Id: <199603061544.KAA01428@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" From: dennis@etinc.com (dennis) Subject: Re: When is 2.2 Estimated to be released? Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >Yes, but it's still somewhat unclear. Perhaps by the end of summer, >though this could be moved ahead if we decide to punt on goals like >devfs and PCCARD support. > > Jordan > >> The subject says it. Is there a goal for release? >> >> Mostyn Lewis Jordan, Would it be possible to keep a .tgz image of sys/src for the releases and the snaps on the ftp site? It would be much easier to upgrade a system this way, particularly for those that need a feature occasionally but do not want to run -current (Not a bad idea for -current either). Dennis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Emerging Technologies, Inc. http://www.etinc.com Synchronous Communications Cards and Routers For Discriminating Tastes. 56k to T1 and beyond. Frame Relay, PPP, HDLC, and X.25 for BSD/OS, FreeBSD and LINUX From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 6 08:10:29 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA00615 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 08:10:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from nixpbe.pdb.sni.de (mail.sni.de [192.109.2.33]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA00589 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 08:10:17 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nerv@localhost) by nixpbe.pdb.sni.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA26366 for hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 17:09:54 +0100 Message-Id: <199603061609.RAA26366@nixpbe.pdb.sni.de> Subject: Re: FreeBSD or BSDI To: jerry@border.com (Jerry Kendall) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 96 17:06:28 MET From: Greg Lehey Cc: hackers@freebsd.org (Hackers; FreeBSD) In-Reply-To: <96Mar6.090716est.20481-1@janus.border.com>; from "Jerry Kendall" at Mar 6, 96 8:56 am X-Mailer: xmail 2.4 (based on ELM 2.2 PL16) Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > On Tue, 5 Mar 1996, Amancio Hasty Jr. wrote: > >> I guess the dominating factor here is what does the systems programmer >> feel most confortable or if he has any peers that are running the >> same OS which he can benefit from their experiences. > > I may be overstating the obvious here..... How many people are on the > hackers/questions mailing lists???? I'm not too sure I understand what you're saying here. If you're saying "maybe we should take this off the hackers list", I suppose we might find that's a good idea. For the moment, I'm assuming there's a certain interest. > If that is'nt 'peers that are running the same OS which he can benefit > from their experiences'. I don't know what is... > > I have tried BSDI(I work with it), NetBSD(I work with that too), > FreeBSD(at home and I work with it), and have worked with others such as > AIX, Solaris(Also have that at home), and SCO. Don't forget Coherent. > > Of all the above(including Linux, yuk! yuk!) I feel FreeBSD is the best > for ME... I would NOT impose this upon others because their needs are most > likely to be different than mine... I think that if your statement is to be of interest, you need to say why. In my case, I have used most of the systems you mention. I (still just barely) prefer BSD/OS, though I'm constantly revising my viewpoint. 4 years ago, there wasn't a competition. 18 months ago, I was astounded how good FreeBSD had become. Now I'm very impressed. I think BSDI should be scared, but instead they're pricing themselves out of our reaches. My reasons for BSDI: mainly stability and a more rounded system. As I say, that's changing. I don't know nearly enough about NetBSD to venture an opinion, but those of you who speak German should read Martin Cracauer's web pages about his personal choice between FreeBSD and NetBSD. The URL is http://www.leo.org/pub/comp/os/bsd/cracauer/. He speaks a few home truths, a few out-of-datisms and a few personal opinions which I do not share. He comes to the conclusion that he prefers NetBSD. Before you go flaming him, read the article. It's well put. Greg From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 6 08:21:08 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA01419 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 08:21:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from border.com (ns [199.71.190.98]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA01398 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 08:20:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by janus.border.com id <20487-1>; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 11:31:58 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 11:20:44 -0500 From: Jerry Kendall To: Greg Lehey Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD or BSDI In-Reply-To: <199603061609.RAA26372@nixpbe.pdb.sni.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: <96Mar6.113158est.20487-1@janus.border.com> Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk What was I saying?????? Well, There are a lot of users off FreeBSD on these lists. If some person needs help, he/she just askes for it and will get all the info they need... the is what I ment by the first statement. The second statement simply states that I use FreeBSD as my OS of choice.... Although I have used the other that were mentioned. That's all On Wed, 6 Mar 1996, Greg Lehey wrote: > > > On Tue, 5 Mar 1996, Amancio Hasty Jr. wrote: > > > >> I guess the dominating factor here is what does the systems programmer > >> feel most confortable or if he has any peers that are running the > >> same OS which he can benefit from their experiences. > > > > I may be overstating the obvious here..... How many people are on the > > hackers/questions mailing lists???? > > I'm not too sure I understand what you're saying here. If you're > saying "maybe we should take this off the hackers list", I suppose we > might find that's a good idea. For the moment, I'm assuming there's a > certain interest. > > > If that is'nt 'peers that are running the same OS which he can benefit > > from their experiences'. I don't know what is... > > > > I have tried BSDI(I work with it), NetBSD(I work with that too), > > FreeBSD(at home and I work with it), and have worked with others such as > > AIX, Solaris(Also have that at home), and SCO. Don't forget Coherent. > > > > Of all the above(including Linux, yuk! yuk!) I feel FreeBSD is the best > > for ME... I would NOT impose this upon others because their needs are most > > likely to be different than mine... > > I think that if your statement is to be of interest, you need to say > why. > > In my case, I have used most of the systems you mention. I (still > just barely) prefer BSD/OS, though I'm constantly revising my > viewpoint. 4 years ago, there wasn't a competition. 18 months ago, I > was astounded how good FreeBSD had become. Now I'm very impressed. I > think BSDI should be scared, but instead they're pricing themselves > out of our reaches. My reasons for BSDI: mainly stability and a more > rounded system. As I say, that's changing. > > I don't know nearly enough about NetBSD to venture an opinion, but > those of you who speak German should read Martin Cracauer's web pages > about his personal choice between FreeBSD and NetBSD. The URL is > http://www.leo.org/pub/comp/os/bsd/cracauer/. He speaks a few home > truths, a few out-of-datisms and a few personal opinions which I do > not share. He comes to the conclusion that he prefers NetBSD. Before > you go flaming him, read the article. It's well put. > > Greg > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Any comments or opinions in this message are my own and may or may not reflect the comments or opinions of my present or previous employers. Jerry Kendall Border Network Technologies Inc. System Software Engineer Tel +1-416-368-7157 ext 303 jerry@border.com Fax +1-416-368-7178 From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 6 09:04:41 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA04881 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 09:04:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from tombstone.sunrem.com (tombstone.sunrem.com [199.104.90.54]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA04876 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 09:04:39 -0800 (PST) Received: (from brandon@localhost) by tombstone.sunrem.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA03280; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 09:35:01 -0700 Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 09:35:01 -0700 (MST) From: Brandon Gillespie To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Linux vs FreeBSD comparison - it's time, I think! In-Reply-To: <199603061519.IAA22625@rover.village.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk As far as raw benchmarks go, I'd suggest anybody who is about to install FreeBSD install Linux first, run some benchmarks, record them (smile), and then install FreeBSD and do the same. That way we can get comparisons on the _SAME HARDWARE_. There is a stray IDE HD laying around my office, I may take that and do said experiment on my own workstation. Collecting this sort of comparison is what we need. Comparing 'nearly-the-same' computer just doesn't cut it--too much is left open for debate. -Brandon Gillespie- From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 6 09:10:52 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA05352 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 09:10:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from etinc.com (etinc.com [204.141.244.98]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA05341 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 09:10:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from dialup-usr11.etinc.com (dialup-usr11.etinc.com [204.141.95.132]) by etinc.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA01549; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 12:12:58 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 12:12:58 -0500 Message-Id: <199603061712.MAA01549@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: John Beukema From: dennis@etinc.com (dennis) Subject: Re: FreeBSD or BSDI Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >1. Both are good, mature systems and work well. >2. If you can get up and running on FreeBSD great. The more you know, the >more reasons to go FreeBSD. >3. BSDI supposedly has telephone support but it will not do you much good >in this time zone. >4. the FreeBSD support groups are friendly, helpful and the >documentation is getting better all the time. There are a lot of ISPs >running FreeBSD. >5. Be careful with both systems that you get compatible equipment but >FreeBSD has more drivers. Read the equipment FAQs >6. $995 is without source code. It is very handy to have source code >when a problem arises and you cannot understand what is happening. >7. BSDI comes with more systems configured but all of the ISP packages >are available as packages (self installing) or ports (nearly so). You missed one of the most important ones. With FreeBSD, you can tune your generic kernel to match your devices...with BSD/OS you have to match your devices to their generic kernel to boot initially. Dennis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Emerging Technologies, Inc. http://www.etinc.com Synchronous Communications Cards and Routers For Discriminating Tastes. 56k to T1 and beyond. Frame Relay, PPP, HDLC, and X.25 for BSD/OS, FreeBSD and LINUX From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 6 09:21:18 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA06065 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 09:21:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from etinc.com (etinc.com [204.141.244.98]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA06053 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 09:21:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from dialup-usr11.etinc.com (dialup-usr11.etinc.com [204.141.95.132]) by etinc.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA01570; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 12:23:12 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 12:23:12 -0500 Message-Id: <199603061723.MAA01570@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Greg Lehey From: dennis@etinc.com (dennis) Subject: Re: FreeBSD or BSDI Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >> Julian Elischer writes... >> >>> >>> jkh writes... >>> >>>> Evaluate them both and see what you think. >>>> >>> My personal idea woudl be, "As FreeBSD is Free, you lose nothing by trying >>> it out, and if you don't like it you can then pay for BSDI. Most of what you >>> learned on FreeBSD will be relevant for FeeBSD^H^H^H^H^H^H BSDI. >> >> Only the code is free. The installation costs money. The use of the serial >> line while your trying it costs money. The time it takes to learn how to >> set up and go through the unavoidable setup problems costs money. >> The cost of time exceeds the cost of the software by a factor of 10 for >> BSDI. Its very expensive to chose the wrong product even if its free >> initially. > >Well, I understand your statements individually, and I agree with most >of them (not, a priori, with the ten-to-1 relationship between time >and money--how did you calculate that?), but I don't understand what >you're trying to say. Does this relate specifically to F[r]eeBSD? It relates to any decision. If you waste 2 weeks evaluating something that you could have reasonably decided wasn't what you wanted then the opportunity cost is 2 weeks of productivity with the right product. A top engineer's time and a T1 line to play with and other resources could easily cost over $5000.. If its your time and you'd just be watching TV otherwise then it doesnt cost that much. the fact that the product is "free" is not a selling point. If you can't be reasonably sure that its "as good" or "better" that something else then $500. to $1000. is irrelevant. Dennis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Emerging Technologies, Inc. http://www.etinc.com Synchronous Communications Cards and Routers For Discriminating Tastes. 56k to T1 and beyond. Frame Relay, PPP, HDLC, and X.25 for BSD/OS, FreeBSD and LINUX From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 6 09:30:31 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA06647 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 09:30:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA06635 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 09:30:21 -0800 (PST) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id KAA11194; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 10:24:57 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199603061724.KAA11194@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: Triton-II support... when? To: hasty@rah.star-gate.com (Amancio Hasty Jr.) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 10:24:56 -0700 (MST) Cc: lehey.pad@sni.de, terry@lambert.org, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199603060935.BAA03960@rah.star-gate.com> from "Amancio Hasty Jr." at Mar 6, 96 01:35:25 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > > Who uses ISA cards? > > > > How many people have really 0 ISA boards in their machine? > > Considering that ISA places such a load on the bus, it seems a good > > idea to me. > > > > Oh, don't pay attention to Terry's complete dislike for ISA cards. > > Darn, I just figured out that with a Triton II chipset and USB > Universal Serial Bus ( http://www.intel.com/IAL/pccomm/index.htm) > the only thing that I would have on a ISA slot is my GUS PnP :( Sounds like you need to contact Advanced Gravis for a PCI version. A PCI version could share a single interupt for all devices on the card... tempting, isn't it? Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 6 09:35:30 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA07038 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 09:35:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA07031 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 09:35:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA05529; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 09:31:48 -0800 Message-Id: <199603061731.JAA05529@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 To: Jerry Kendall cc: FreeBSD Hackers Subject: Re: FreeBSD or BSDI In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 06 Mar 1996 08:56:02 EST." <96Mar6.090716est.20481-1@janus.border.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 06 Mar 1996 09:31:47 -0800 From: "Amancio Hasty Jr." Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>> Jerry Kendall said: > > On Tue, 5 Mar 1996, Amancio Hasty Jr. wrote: > > > I guess the dominating factor here is what does the systems programmer > > feel most confortable or if he has any peers that are running the > > same OS which he can benefit from their experiences. > > I may be overstating the obvious here..... How many people are on the > hackers/questions mailing lists???? > ISPs are a little different than most of us . I have seen enough weird posted from ISPs that a typical single user installation does not run into . Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 6 09:48:37 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA08243 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 09:48:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA08238 Wed, 6 Mar 1996 09:48:35 -0800 (PST) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id KAA11313; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 10:45:08 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199603061745.KAA11313@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: Triton-II support... when? To: mikebo@tellabs.com Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 10:45:08 -0700 (MST) Cc: terry@lambert.org, mikebo@freefall.freebsd.org, questions@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199603052144.PAA02531@sunc210.tellabs.com> from "mikebo@tellabs.com" at Mar 5, 96 03:44:06 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > FreeBSD supports the Triton chipset. Since the difference between the > > I and II is the cache bug is fixed in the II, I can't see where fixing > > a bug could make it not run. > > As I understand it, there are much more profound changes than simply > one bug fix. I've been told that Triton-II: > o fixes a write-back cache bug > o nominally speeds all memory accesses ~5% > o adds support for concurrent PCI/ISA bus accesses > o adds support for multi-processing > o adds support for ECC memory > > Seems like a *lot* more functionality than can be accounted for by a > simple bug fix, no? Perhaps Terry means Triton-II implements a superset > of Triton-I functionality (plus the cache bug fix) so there's no reason > existing kernel code would break? That's great... I thought perhaps > there was more purpose to the chipset sensing code in > /usr/src/sys/pci/pcisupport.c . If I add a bell to a bicycle, I don't have to relearn how to ride it. A better analogy would be the FIFO'ed floppy controllers: the driver doesn't use the FIFO, but that doesn't mean the driver doesn't work. Or VGA cards for standard resoloutions. I don't think there will be a problem. The *one* potential area for trouble is if the chip ID is different and is used to gate behaviour, in which case, you will need to dup a line in the PCI bus interface data and rebuild a kernel. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 6 10:01:54 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA09160 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 10:01:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from covina.lightside.com (covina.lightside.com [198.81.209.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA09152 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 10:01:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by covina.lightside.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tuNWu-0004IcC; Wed, 6 Mar 96 10:01 PST Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 10:01:35 -0800 (PST) From: Jake Hamby To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Linux vs FreeBSD comparison - it's time, I think! In-Reply-To: <15186.826114396@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 6 Mar 1996, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > So many people ask me for comparative data on the two operating > systems that I think it's time to give them what they want. > > As much as we generally dislike "taking positions" like that, I think > we're only hurting ourselves at this point by hiding our light under a > bushel, and the Linux advocates have never pulled their own punches > here. It's time to blow our own trumpets a bit! We deserve it. > > [snip] > > Jordan WTG, Jordan! You tend to be one of the most conservative of the bunch, in terms of being "most unlike a Linux fanatic", so it's good that you're taking a stand that we should toot our own horn once in a while or nobody will listen. Also, I agree we need to come up with positive testimonials and benchmarks for FreeBSD, rather than just bashing Linux, as Linux users tend to bash DOS/Windows. It's the week before finals at my university, but sometime next week, when I have time, I'd love to help on this project! Here are some results we should point to: 1) The Stanford comparison of Linux/FreeBSD/Solaris which showed FreeBSD had twice the networking performance (TCP, UDP, and NFS). Does anyone remember the URL (it was posted here before)? Other benchmark results, conducting in a scientific manner (as the Stanford study was) would be great, especially related to networking performance (where we have the biggest advantage). 2) We should not be afraid to make a Web page comparing features of FreeBSD and Linux. We should give it the "test of fire" by posting the URL to comp.os.linux.advocacy and see if anyone can find problems with it or give advantages of Linux vs. FreeBSD which we should post as well to make the table more objective. 3) Full description of ftp.cdrom.com as a "case study". Also, when people FTP to ftp.cdrom.com there should be a BIG banner, like: "Powered by: FFFFFF BBBBB SSSS DDDDDD F eee eee B B S D D FFF rrrr eeeee eeeee BBBBB SSSS D D F r e e B B S D D F r eeee eee BBBBB SSSSS DDDDDD 2.1.0-RELEASE 'Unleash the daemon in your PC!' (followed by some information about ftp.cdrom.com and FreeBSD)." 4) We should not be afraid to capitalize on Linux's name by calling ourselves "a better Linux than Linux" or "a better Unix than Linux". People will understand what FreeBSD is much better if they have heard about Linux before, and we can relate ourselves to that. 5) Print advertisement! I can't emphasize this enough. I was looking through an issue of Byte magazine, and near the back, I saw a small ad touting the benefits of "WGS Linux Pro". How good of an operating system it was, how you could learn about Linux, how half of all new ISP's used Linux (tis a shame, really :-( ), and how at $69, this CD set was such a bargain. Anyway, a few pages later was Walnut Creek's ad, and FreeBSD was just a two line description among other Walnut Creek CDROMs. The description itself wasn't too catchy, simply saying something like "FreeBSD: a rock solid version of BSD UNIX". Nothing about how much better it is than NT or Linux, nothing about using it as an Internet server! Walnut Creek should run ads specifically for FreeBSD, touting the same advantages as the Linux crowd does, perhaps with a line at the bottom "We have hundreds of other CD-ROMs available, check our Web page for a listing". 6) IRC support! I know this last one sounds silly, but I notice that there are always people in the #linux channel of IRC, and somebody suitably motivated (maybe myself, when my finals are over) can start manning the #FreeBSD channel, perhaps with the help of a "BSDBot". Lots of people go to IRC for instant technical support (that don't want to wait for mail or USENET), we could do the same. Anyway, I'll try to work on this some more when I have time, and get some preliminary Web pages, or maybe more suggestions. Again, let me emphasize that you are echoing the sentiments I've been feeling 100%. If we want to survive, we have to start SELLING our product, not taking the "If we build it, they will come" philosophy. ---Jake (who promises to give up on NT once he has time to install the latest 2.2-SNAP on his new SCSI hard drive this weekend :-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 6 10:16:34 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA10304 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 10:16:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA10298 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 10:16:29 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id FAA32574; Thu, 7 Mar 1996 05:11:56 +1100 Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 05:11:56 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199603061811.FAA32574@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: hasty@rah.star-gate.com, lehey.pad@sni.de Subject: Re: Triton-II support... when? Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >>> > Who uses ISA cards? >>> >>> How many people have really 0 ISA boards in their machine? >>> Considering that ISA places such a load on the bus, it seems a good >>> idea to me. >>> >> >> Oh, don't pay attention to Terry's complete dislike for ISA cards. >Well, I don't like them either. I was just curious about how many >people had got round to running systems with none. I have a Triton on I have one system with no ISA cards. However, the on-board i/o is mostly as slow as ISA: Times in usec for inb() from selected ports on ASUS P55TP4XE: min av max speed important for FreeBSD? ----- ----- ----- ---------------------------- 0x21 (pic0 mask) .448 .449 .451 yes 0x40 (timer counter 0) .702 .703 .705 yes (2.1), no (current) 0x43 (timer mode) 1.180 1.180 1.182 yes (2.1), no (current) 0x1f4 (fdc0 status) 1.180 1.180 1.182 no (< other fd slowness) 0x3f8 (sio0 data) 1.180 1.180 1.182 only if you use sio a lot Also, the on-board i/o (UMC8669F) is very buggy. The fdc interrupts at the wrong time (this at best causes busy waiting followed by timeouts to recover under FreeBSD) and the 16550 compatibles aren't (they lose sync when the speed is set or the fifo is changed while data is arriving. The problem is most noticeable for uccp because it does a lot of tcsetattr()s and tcsetattr() sets the speed even when it hasn't changed). The on-board i/o will have to be replaced by an ISA card unless/until acceptable workarounds are found :-(. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 6 10:21:19 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA10798 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 10:21:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from covina.lightside.com (covina.lightside.com [198.81.209.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA10791 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 10:21:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by covina.lightside.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tuNpn-0004IYC; Wed, 6 Mar 96 10:21 PST Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 10:21:07 -0800 (PST) From: Jake Hamby To: Warner Losh cc: "Ron G. Minnich" , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Linux vs FreeBSD comparison - it's time, I think! In-Reply-To: <199603061519.IAA22625@rover.village.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 6 Mar 1996, Warner Losh wrote: > Yes. I agree. We should also pick stable versions of Linux. Right > now the 1.3.x series is going through a rough patch. We should likely > compare 1.4.x to 2.1-stable. Later, we can compare 1.5.x to 2.2. > Also, which distribution of Linux becomes a problem... We could compare 1.3.x with -current, perhaps emphasizing that even our "experimental" version is just as stable as Linux's experimental kernels. Plus, we can emphasize that our entire distribution tree is integrated, not just the kernel, so components are regression-tested with each other, not in isolation. As for which distribution of Linux, maybe we should use Slackware since it seems to be very popular and is the version that Walnut Creek offers, but again, we can emphasize our SINGLE distribution as another advantage of FreeBSD! > Things that FreeBSD is good at, relative to older linuxes (and maybe > current ones): > *LARGE* numbers of FTP users > *HUGE* routing tables > *INSANE* HTTP performance The recent Stanford benchmark showed that FreeBSD had twice the networking performance (on TCP, UDP, and NFS benchmarks) as Linux! This was comparing 2.0.5-RELEASE to 1.2.x Linux. I've noticed FreeBSD consistently gives me 15% better PPP performance (over 28.8kbps modem, using ijppp) than Linux (both 1.2.x and 1.3.x). > Linux seems to be a little better at context switch time and low low > level things like that, but doesn't scale well. That would be a good > selling point. ext2fs is also supposed to be better for small metadata updates, such as a news server or compiling would use. And Linux is better at context switching as you mentioned, but the 1.2.x kernel really bogs down once you have more than 20 or 30 processes (it uses a linear search). 1.3.x fixes this, but again, the results are in the Stanford study (that I forget the URL to at the moment, damn!) > Just some thoughts. I know that the Linux folks are doing work in the > performance areas as we speak... In addition to performance, we have the following advantages, which I will list briefly: 1) Ports/packages collection (whoohoo!) 2) Conformant to an accepted Unix standard: 4.4BSD 3) Single build tree for kernel and utilities, rather than kernel and EVERY SINGLE core utility or library being separate .tar.gz's on Sunsite!!! 4) Can install over FTP from a SINGLE floppy (no boot/root fiasco) 5) Can have multiple slices in a single FDISK partition 6) Runs BSDI software (like Netscape Commerce Server) 7) Runs Linux software (soon to be ELF?) 8) "Open" development, unlike many Linux distributions (like Slackware) controlled by a single person (who often doesn't respond to e-mail bug reports, I can say from experience!) 9) System administration VERY similar to BSDI and NetBSD, and even SunOS (because of #2). 10) The core team is professional and places an emphasis on stability and good software engineering techniques (I'm not trying to be flattering, it is true!) To be fair, here are some advantages of Linux: 1) More users means more device driver support. 2) More users means more documentation (books at Egghead, etc..) and more press coverage (although, as Microsoft demonstrates time and again, better press coverage does not a good product indicate!) 3) For the novice, Slackware will interactively describe each package and ask whether or not you want it. This could get tiresome with FreeBSD with over 350 packages, but I must admit, I did learn about some cool Unix programs installing Linux in this way. Similarly, when configuring the kernel, it interactively asks questions, which I find extremely annoying, but it might help novice users a little bit. 4) Runs SVGAlib for people that don't have the RAM for X and want to play with graphics (like DOOM). 5) Has other nifty console features like gpm (for console cut-and-paste with mouse). Okay, this can be the foundation of a table comparing FreeBSD and Linux. I said in my last message I was pretty busy, but if you send me e-mail with more FreeBSD likes/dislikes and FreeBSD/Linux comparisons, I will volunteer to type it up into a Web page (most likely with hypertext links for further information), which should be ready for use on www.freebsd.org in a few weeks. Thanks! ---Jake From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 6 10:33:07 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA11690 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 10:33:07 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dyson@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA11683 Wed, 6 Mar 1996 10:33:06 -0800 (PST) From: John Dyson Message-Id: <199603061833.KAA11683@freefall.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Linux vs FreeBSD comparison - it's time, I think! To: brandon@tombstone.sunrem.com (Brandon Gillespie) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 10:33:05 -0800 (PST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Brandon Gillespie" at Mar 6, 96 09:35:01 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > As far as raw benchmarks go, I'd suggest anybody who is about to install > FreeBSD install Linux first, run some benchmarks, record them (smile), > and then install FreeBSD and do the same. That way we can get > comparisons on the _SAME HARDWARE_. There is a stray IDE HD laying > around my office, I may take that and do said experiment on my own > workstation. Collecting this sort of comparison is what we need. > Comparing 'nearly-the-same' computer just doesn't cut it--too much is left > open for debate. > I agree, all of the Linux/FreeBSD benchmarks that I have posted have been on the same hardware. I have a Linux partition always bootable, with a spare partition that can be EXT2FS or FFS at will. I am not unbiased however, but that is how I make sure that FreeBSD is not falling behind in the areas that I work on. John From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 6 10:33:17 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA11717 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 10:33:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from etinc.com (etinc.com [204.141.244.98]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA11684 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 10:33:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from dialup-usr11.etinc.com (dialup-usr11.etinc.com [204.141.95.132]) by etinc.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA01662; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 13:33:27 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 13:33:27 -0500 Message-Id: <199603061833.NAA01662@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" From: dennis@etinc.com (dennis) Subject: Re: Linux vs FreeBSD comparison - it's time, I think! Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >So many people ask me for comparative data on the two operating >systems that I think it's time to give them what they want. > >As much as we generally dislike "taking positions" like that, I think >we're only hurting ourselves at this point by hiding our light under a >bushel, and the Linux advocates have never pulled their own punches >here. It's time to blow our own trumpets a bit! We deserve it. > >In order to do this right (in some place in our WEB pages, I guess), >we need to start collecting references to benchmark results, user >testimonials and other "bullet point lists" of FreeBSD's principle >strengths. > >If someone wants to take the point position on this, I'd also be very >appreciative - I don't have as much time for these kinds of activities >as I'd like. I'm also happy to offer a FreeBSD CD subscription as a >bribe, if it'll help! :-) > >The resulting comparison should ideally be no more than a >netscape-sized page long, and written in HTML. Please include BSDI in this matrix and I'd gladly put a pointer on our site. I personally think that user testimonials are BS and have little or negative impact. Most LINUX users think its the greatest thing ever devised. An opinion that you disagree with can sway you in the opposite direction. Stick to the facts. Dennis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Emerging Technologies, Inc. http://www.etinc.com Synchronous Communications Cards and Routers For Discriminating Tastes. 56k to T1 and beyond. Frame Relay, PPP, HDLC, and X.25 for BSD/OS, FreeBSD and LINUX From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 6 10:38:19 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA12202 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 10:38:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from etinc.com (etinc.com [204.141.244.98]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA12197 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 10:38:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from dialup-usr11.etinc.com (dialup-usr11.etinc.com [204.141.95.132]) by etinc.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA01675; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 13:39:52 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 13:39:52 -0500 Message-Id: <199603061839.NAA01675@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "Ron G. Minnich" From: dennis@etinc.com (dennis) Subject: Re: Linux vs FreeBSD comparison - it's time, I think! Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Ron says... >Sounds fine to me, but I think we should make an effort to be absolutely >fair and to show some integrity. All numbers should be verified with >2 or more people, and pointers to the results should be maintained. If we >get a rep for playing fast and loose with the facts then we have a >problem. If we get a rep for being honest and being willing to give linux >its due (and it does have its good points) then we get to be an honest >broker. Its very difficult to be objective with benchmarks because they are so highly dependent on a particular piece of hardware or driver. For example whenever someone mentions FreeBSD vs BSDI some banana pulls out a benchmark with dual buslogic EISA adapters where BSDI may be superior, when the same test with an Adaptec PCI controller might be completely the opposite. Its almost impossible to have a single benchmark comparison for unix systems. You need to chose several "reasonable" systems with different hardware and show several benchmarks with each..... Dennis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Emerging Technologies, Inc. http://www.etinc.com Synchronous Communications Cards and Routers For Discriminating Tastes. 56k to T1 and beyond. Frame Relay, PPP, HDLC, and X.25 for BSD/OS, FreeBSD and LINUX From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 6 11:10:23 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA14511 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 11:10:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA14506 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 11:10:18 -0800 (PST) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id MAA11506; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 12:06:07 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199603061906.MAA11506@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: Triton-II support... when? To: lehey.pad@sni.de (Greg Lehey) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 12:06:07 -0700 (MST) Cc: hasty@rah.star-gate.com, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199603060939.KAA22324@nixpbe.pdb.sni.de> from "Greg Lehey" at Mar 6, 96 10:35:58 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > >> > Who uses ISA cards? > >> > >> How many people have really 0 ISA boards in their machine? > >> Considering that ISA places such a load on the bus, it seems a good > >> idea to me. > >> > > > > Oh, don't pay attention to Terry's complete dislike for ISA cards. > > Well, I don't like them either. I was just curious about how many > people had got round to running systems with none. I have a Triton on > my BSDI box, and once I get the latest X server and a new SCSI > controller, I'll be left with just an ISA Ethernet board, but I just > can't see any reason to change that. I have two machines with no ISA cards, one EISA/ISA and one PCI/ISA. Other than the idiotic EISA inability to probe the amount of per slot configuration memory, and the annoying fact that one has to run DOS to run the pukey EISA configuration utility, both are happily ISA free and fully capable of non-invasive software probing for all devices. 8-). > > Darn, I just figured out that with a Triton II chipset and USB > > Universal Serial Bus ( http://www.intel.com/IAL/pccomm/index.htm) > > the only thing that I would have on a ISA slot is my GUS PnP :( > > There we go. Looks like ISA is not long for this Earth. Amancio said 'Darn' because he's sad to see it go. He must be a machine configuration consultant on the side. 8-). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 6 11:11:22 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA14582 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 11:11:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from terra.Sarnoff.COM (terra.sarnoff.com [130.33.11.203]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA14561 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 11:11:10 -0800 (PST) Received: (from rminnich@localhost) by terra.Sarnoff.COM (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA26910; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 14:07:53 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 14:07:52 -0500 (EST) From: "Ron G. Minnich" To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Linux vs FreeBSD comparison - it's time, I think! In-Reply-To: <199603061519.IAA22625@rover.village.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > *LARGE* numbers of FTP users > *HUGE* routing tables > *INSANE* HTTP performance I have a weakness in that I like real numbers. Can we quantify this? ron From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 6 11:15:03 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA14910 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 11:15:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA14905 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 11:15:01 -0800 (PST) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id MAA11528; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 12:11:24 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199603061911.MAA11528@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: Triton-II support... when? To: nate@sri.MT.net (Nate Williams) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 12:11:24 -0700 (MST) Cc: terry@lambert.org, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199603060056.RAA25844@rocky.sri.MT.net> from "Nate Williams" at Mar 5, 96 05:56:36 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > > o adds support for ECC memory > > > > Still no parity, eh? 8-). > > ECC memory is parity memory. By the sorcerous "law of similarity"? 8-). Then parity must be ECC... 8-) 8-). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 6 11:17:57 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA15029 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 11:17:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA15024 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 11:17:56 -0800 (PST) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id MAA11548; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 12:14:00 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199603061914.MAA11548@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: When is 2.2 Estimated to be released? To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 12:14:00 -0700 (MST) Cc: mrl@teleport.com, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <363.826068972@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Mar 5, 96 03:36:12 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Yes, but it's still somewhat unclear. Perhaps by the end of summer, > though this could be moved ahead if we decide to punt on goals like > devfs and PCCARD support. > > Jordan > > > The subject says it. Is there a goal for release? > > > > Mostyn Lewis Uh, what exactly would 2.2 have, then, if none of the planned major features made it in? Something like that should be called 2.1.1, not 2.2.0, IMO... Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 6 11:20:13 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA15263 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 11:20:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA15258 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 11:20:09 -0800 (PST) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id MAA11561; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 12:15:56 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199603061915.MAA11561@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: -current MMAP vs INN 1.4unoff3 To: mrcpu@cdsnet.net (Jaye Mathisen) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 12:15:56 -0700 (MST) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Jaye Mathisen" at Mar 5, 96 02:34:58 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > It's still broken, exhibits the same behaviour as a 2.1-release box, > where it has problems with the active file. > > It would be nice if this would eventually get fixed, even if just for > correctness sake, as opposed to any measurable performance increase. Could you provide a stand-alone regression test set of behaviour with documented expected behaviour and exception lists? It would be nice if we could set up a TET or ETET framework for regression/validation and automate this process. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 6 11:24:46 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA15541 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 11:24:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from zip.io.org (root@zip.io.org [198.133.36.80]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA15532 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 11:24:39 -0800 (PST) Received: (from taob@localhost) by zip.io.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA16316; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 14:21:41 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 14:21:39 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Tao To: Greg Lehey cc: "Amancio Hasty Jr." , "Hackers; FreeBSD" Subject: Re: Triton-II support... when? In-Reply-To: <199603060939.KAA22324@nixpbe.pdb.sni.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 6 Mar 1996, Greg Lehey wrote: > > Well, I don't like them either. I was just curious about how many > people had got round to running systems with none. Most of our servers here have PCI SCSI, video and Ethernet. Serial and parallel ports are integral to the motherboard. The ISA slots are empty. Our news server contains a PCI Ethernet card and three PCI SCSI controllers. An ISA Mach32 graphics card is used to drive the monitor. At home, everything is PCI except my GUS MAX. A motherboard with, say, 7 PCI slots and one ISA slot would be perfect for my eneds. -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@io.org) Systems Administrator, Internex Online Inc. "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 6 11:40:18 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA17060 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 11:40:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from seagull.rtd.com (root@seagull.rtd.com [198.102.68.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA17055 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 11:40:16 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dgy@localhost) by seagull.rtd.com (8.6.12/1.2) id MAA08686 for freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 12:30:38 -0700 From: Don Yuniskis Message-Id: <199603061930.MAA08686@seagull.rtd.com> Subject: man page hacking To: freebsd-hackers@freefall.FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 12:30:38 -0700 (MST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Greetings! I'm trying to repair some existing and create some new man pages. But the macros are pretty much alphabet soup! Can someone point me to a description of those used in man pages? Mightn't this want to be stashed away (handbook?) for future reference? Thx, --don From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 6 11:44:14 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA17369 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 11:44:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from nervosa.com (root@nervosa.com [192.187.228.86]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA17363 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 11:44:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from nervosa.com (coredump@onyx.nervosa.com [10.0.0.1]) by nervosa.com (8.7.5/nervosa.com.2) with SMTP id LAA26818; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 11:44:01 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 11:44:00 -0800 (PST) From: invalid opcode To: =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCNFohIVp4GyhC?= cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Help In-Reply-To: <199603060858.RAA06051@inetnif.niftyserve.or.jp> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Boot message : mse0 wrong signature ff > mse0 not found 0x23c > > No psm of boot message seen. Okay, mse0 is not the ps/2 mouse driver. mse0 is the serial port driver. To install the psm0 driver for ps/2 port mice, add the following lines to your kernel config file: device psm0 at isa? port "IO_KBD" conflicts ttys irq 12 vector psmintr == Chris Layne ============================================================= == coredump@nervosa.com ================ http://www.nervosa.com/~coredump == From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 6 11:45:52 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA17446 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 11:45:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from nervosa.com (root@nervosa.com [192.187.228.86]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA17435 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 11:45:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from nervosa.com (coredump@onyx.nervosa.com [10.0.0.1]) by nervosa.com (8.7.5/nervosa.com.2) with SMTP id LAA26832; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 11:45:37 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 11:45:37 -0800 (PST) From: invalid opcode To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Linux vs FreeBSD comparison - it's time, I think! In-Reply-To: <15186.826114396@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > as I'd like. I'm also happy to offer a FreeBSD CD subscription as a > bribe, if it'll help! :-) > Jordan I'm there if you are :) I need a subscription, hehe. == Chris Layne ============================================================= == coredump@nervosa.com ================ http://www.nervosa.com/~coredump == From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 6 11:48:41 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA17827 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 11:48:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (Haldjas.folklore.ee [193.40.6.121]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA17807 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 11:48:33 -0800 (PST) Received: (from narvi@localhost) by haldjas.folklore.ee (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA23000; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 21:51:16 +0200 Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 21:51:16 +0200 (EET) From: Narvi To: Brandon Gillespie cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Linux vs FreeBSD comparison - it's time, I think! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Eat good food, preserve nature, be nice to all nice people :) On Wed, 6 Mar 1996, Brandon Gillespie wrote: > As far as raw benchmarks go, I'd suggest anybody who is about to install > FreeBSD install Linux first, run some benchmarks, record them (smile), > and then install FreeBSD and do the same. That way we can get > comparisons on the _SAME HARDWARE_. There is a stray IDE HD laying > around my office, I may take that and do said experiment on my own > workstation. Collecting this sort of comparison is what we need. > Comparing 'nearly-the-same' computer just doesn't cut it--too much is left > open for debate. OK we will get a new server (P5-133 with 64MB EDO, PCI AHA2940, 2*Fujitsu 2GB 7200rpm, DEC 21040 based Ethernet PCI card) machine somewhen round the weekend, so I could run the benchmarks while I set it up - so: 1) Where shall I find the Linux thing? And how shall I install it? (It might seem funny, but presently it is a FreeBSD related question) 2) Where shall I get the benchmark programs? For FreeBSD from one of the mirrors of ftp.freebsd.org, but for Linux? Any other suggestions as for the benchmarking? And most importantly - how much time is this all going to take? > > -Brandon Gillespie- > Sander From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 6 11:49:59 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA17963 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 11:49:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from hidrogenio ([200.246.206.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA17953 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 11:49:42 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 11:49:42 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199603061949.LAA17953@freefall.freebsd.org> Received: from litio (litio.widesoft.com.br) by hidrogenio ; 6 MAR 96 17:52:30 X-Sender: wsj@200.246.206.1 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: hackers@freebsd.org From: wsj@widesoft.com.br (Waldemar Scudeller Jr.) Subject: Cyclades Board Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi! I am using a Cyclades 8Ys multi-serial board with FreeBsd 2.1, Brian E. Litzinger's cyb driver and mgetty. When the modem receives a call, the mgetty gets the connection, sends a prompt, call /usr/bin/login , as usual. Login shows the password prompt, but ignore everthing from terminal to server, without drop the connection. If I write something directly to device while connected, the data goes to terminal screen. I have tested getty: it send the login prompt and ignore everthing from terminal. I verify the stty flags, cables, etc., all looks good to me. Can anyone help me on that? Waldemar -------------------------------------------------------------- Waldemar Scudeller Jr. wsj@widesoft.com.br Widesoft Sistemas Ltda. Limeira/SP - Brasil F. +55 194 51 9047 -------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 6 11:52:51 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA18308 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 11:52:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from schizo.cdsnet.net (schizo.cdsnet.net [204.118.244.32]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA18302 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 11:52:47 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mrcpu@localhost) by schizo.cdsnet.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA29412; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 11:53:44 -0800 Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 11:53:44 -0800 (PST) From: Jaye Mathisen To: Terry Lambert cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: -current MMAP vs INN 1.4unoff3 In-Reply-To: <199603061915.MAA11561@phaeton.artisoft.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Unfortunately I don't. All I know is that MMAP and INN work fine on several other OS's, and fail miserably under any version of FreeBSD through the 3/4 -current. While it's certainly possible that it's a defect in INN, I would be skeptical. Trivial uses of MMAP work fine. This concerns me for another reason in that we're planning on making heavy use of MSQL for processing our accounting records for our RADIUS stuff, and MSQL can use MMAP, but now I can't be sure the the implementation and thus the results of the queries is reliable. However, in the interests of narrowing it down a bit, it only seems to be problematic when a newgroup message is processed and the active file changes size as opposed to just content changing w/o size changing. Maybe it's a locking problem of some kind, I don't know, all I know is that it doesn't work, John sent me mail a couple months ago telling that he thought it worked in -current, and I'm reporting back that it still doesn't work. On Wed, 6 Mar 1996, Terry Lambert wrote: > > It's still broken, exhibits the same behaviour as a 2.1-release box, > > where it has problems with the active file. > > > > It would be nice if this would eventually get fixed, even if just for > > correctness sake, as opposed to any measurable performance increase. > > Could you provide a stand-alone regression test set of behaviour > with documented expected behaviour and exception lists? > > It would be nice if we could set up a TET or ETET framework for > regression/validation and automate this process. > > > Terry Lambert > terry@lambert.org > --- > Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present > or previous employers. > From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 6 12:13:54 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA20456 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 12:13:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from boom.vars.com (boom.BSDI.COM [205.230.226.129]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA20450 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 12:13:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from boom.vars.com (localhost.vars.com [127.0.0.1]) by boom.vars.com (8.7.3/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA06055 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 13:13:40 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199603062013.NAA06055@boom.vars.com> To: hackers@freefall.freebsd.org Subject: Re: Linux vs FreeBSD comparison - it's time, I think! In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 06 Mar 1996 09:48:40 PST." <199603061748.JAA08261@freefall.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: application/pgp; format=mime; x-action=signclear; x-originator=05448C39 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 06 Mar 1996 13:13:40 -0700 From: Eric Varsanyi Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >You missed one of the most important ones. With FreeBSD, you can >tune your generic kernel to match your devices...with BSD/OS you have >to match your devices to their generic kernel to boot initially. > >Dennis >- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Emerging Technologies, Inc. http://www.etinc.com This isn't true (and hasn't been since before 2.0): you can change I/O ports, IRQ's, which drivers are enabled, DMA settings, etc... from the Boot: command line before the generic kernel is loaded. And you don't need DOS to do it. Before the flames fly: I'm also interested in FreeBSD and feel its a good system in many respects. I'm not posting this on behalf of BSDI, just as someone who uses it (obviously) all the time. - -Eric Varsanyi Speaking for himself, not BSDI -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6 iQCVAgUBMT3x8zxFdSMFRIw5AQGQOQP/aBXyJkXj5fYjZC7ihWxsmvlPct15FEto 372+hmn1V5DMg51EkYWY7qAIcVgx8Y3pD7OF1oGB54a5apHoJBIKq/g/TYhZzmji rIGtBNMpi9QSf1rbZcthT7phsBHyLyTzLJg/DzFsyw5Fk3843eFS5msIAthIFG0q I435XumaPVA= =/64x -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 6 12:38:32 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA22142 for hacke