Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2018 11:44:12 -0500 (CDT) From: "Valeri Galtsev" <galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu> To: "Antonio Olivares" <olivares14031@gmail.com> Cc: "Polytropon" <freebsd@edvax.de>, "Steve O'Hara-Smith" <steve@sohara.org>, "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: How to detect single user mode in FreeBSD ? Message-ID: <61109.108.68.163.235.1529167452.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: <CAJ5UdcNEYBsoF8O4ENBiha3qMrC4ZCN8x48WUeJimmWPESRgog@mail.gmail.com> References: <e9731c0f-1269-8919-836a-29b9a2f6b0dc@yandex.com> <c0718db9-8b46-2301-a770-cd334cbf0f07@ShaneWare.Biz> <f66e1b62-a6d5-c969-78ca-3ae9eb82efc5@yandex.com> <20180613141217.a3ab7160a55398bf5ed56ef2@sohara.org> <d4130902-917c-39d4-979a-87c3769bb620@kicp.uchicago.edu> <CALM2mEk9oVaswyAPLoe1G%2BgO1Ftyw0NOt_0eksn68m5mE0tHtQ@mail.gmail.com> <5B21A915.3000209@gmail.com> <20180614083840.ddee5859bbc3640e03ccbc2d@sohara.org> <20180614184329.9646c28a.freebsd@edvax.de> <20180615200051.8e8d73819e027b51e9d0af0e@sohara.org> <20180615232141.d25e83e0.freebsd@edvax.de> <CAJ5UdcNEYBsoF8O4ENBiha3qMrC4ZCN8x48WUeJimmWPESRgog@mail.gmail.com>
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On Sat, June 16, 2018 7:41 am, Antonio Olivares wrote: > On Friday, June 15, 2018, Polytropon <freebsd@edvax.de> wrote: >> On Fri, 15 Jun 2018 20:00:51 +0100, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: >>> On Thu, 14 Jun 2018 18:43:29 +0200 >>> Polytropon <freebsd@edvax.de> wrote: >>> >>> > change when FreeBSD starts using systemd... ;-) >>> >>> <shudder> I'll probably decamp to DragonFly or NetBSD then. >> >> Luckily, systemd is highly incompatible to FreeBSD's principle >> designs, and it maintains a tight coupling to many Linux kernel >> facilities. We hopefully don't have to worry. :-) >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Polytropon >> Magdeburg, Germany >> Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 >> Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > > Resistance is futile. A BSD* variant known as systembsd is being worked > on > as we argue about this. > > https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/2fsh5m/systembsd_a_systemd_compatibility_layer_for_bsd/ > > Then there would be no escape! And many system administrators would have > to > create a FreeBSDuan like the Debian ones who created Devuan to not have > systemd on their FreeBSD. When Linux went systemd (and yes, it is Linux, not any particular distribution, as: once in kernel, the darn code IS in kernel, and it will be tremendous effort to strip the crap out of kernel all the time, every release to maintain systemd-free distro like devuan... My thought then was: well, it pretty much looks like the deed of Linux rivals. If you can not defeat your enemy, get inside, and make them become piece of crap from inside. In every thing happening one can look at the reasons from the viewpoint: who benefits from it. Linux was "stealing" a lot of potential customers from proprietary system vendor monster[s]. We will not name the name even though one obvious is Microsoft. And after all it was Microsoft who "donated" to RedHat a big chunk on money. And do not look for time correlation, which may not appear to exist, better look at: who stuffed systemd down the throats of Linux folks. Yes, it was RedHat employee, right? And it was RedHat who was paid by MS to push Linux towards quite MS Windows looking system administration wise. And the same sickening system administration wise. Note that the REASON I alleged is there is my own opinion, and as everyone has the same and even better brain than mine, go ahead and come up with the most reasonable for you explanation. That thing done made a big wave of refugees from Linux (I fled servers from Linux to FreeBSD even earlier due to a bit different reason: I just got sick of the need to reboot Linux servers every 45 days on average due to either kernel or glibc security updates). Now this leaves everybody with: most active and opinionated about how not to and how do to administer the system sysadmins fleeing away from Linux. And more inert (sorry, folks, I may be called that myself too) and "home users" stay and adjust to new brew MS Windows like and progressing that way Linux system. It will then allow more or less unified "Linux Administration certification" similar to MS one, and same based on learning by heart where to click. And if click does not work, it is up to the support call to the vendor to resolve the issue. Which is the hiring dream for IT illiterate IT managers one can come across almost everywhere these days. Who are hired by people who don't and shouldn't have any IT knowledge on the basis of larger Certificate collection. Which leaves big boys with almost only one rival (with multiple faces): *BSD. This is why I am scared as hell to see MS donate to any of *BSDs. FreeBSD and OpenBSD got donations already, if my memory still serves me. My worst nightmare is to think what the donor will ultimately get as return for their investment. Yes, in the commercial world there is no such thing as gift or donation. Any money or favor is an investment with the goal of getting return on investment which is larger (often much larger) than investment itself. This all is dark picture, alas, but such is the reality. Everything flowerful in the end turns out to be our wishful thinking. Valeri PS I was praising RedHat for their excellent compliance to GPL, and variety of other great things, like buying out the creator of cygwin Cygnus Solutions, and keeping cywgin open source freely available, and being developed, not buried. Now though one big bad thing changes my opinion. > > Best Regards, > > > Antonio > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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