Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 15:25:18 +0700 From: Muhammad Reza <reza@mra.co.id> To: Lloyd Hayes <wyoming_antelope@yahoo.com> Cc: FreeBSD Org <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: FreeBSD weakness. Message-ID: <40D69B6E.9060102@mra.co.id> In-Reply-To: <40D6876E.8050005@yahoo.com> References: <40D484A2.2080602@yahoo.com> <40D496C7.3090908@wcborstel.nl> <1087677031.834.99.camel@compass.straycat.dhs.org> <40D6876E.8050005@yahoo.com>
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BSD cant do multipath routing behind NAT, just like iproute(8) Linux, hope Paul Hening Kamp Patch will work... regards reza >> Linux is for people who hate Micro$oft. >> BSD is for people who love Unix. > > > Under these conditions, I guess that I need to go for Linux... > > Seriously, one thing that catches my attention is that I don't see any > really great differences between the BSD (Any version) and the Linux > community. In doing some reading, it appears that the people at KDE > and Gnome, as well as many others, have this same thought. I was > actually pointed in the FreeBSD direction by a magazine writer whom I > was communicating with about the future of Linux. We talked by email > and he thought that FreeBSD had to most promise of a good future. He > suggested that I should check FreeBSD out. > > Understand that learning UNIX is not my end goal. It may happen in the > process, but being a master of the UNIX system is not my end goal. Nor > is writing programs my goal. I wrote a ton of programs 20 years ago, > but I haven't written a single line of code in 10 years. I have no > wish to work in an IT shop anywhere. My goal is simply to keep some of > my older computers useful. I care less about which operating system I > am using as long as it does the job that I want. This business of > buying new computers every year or two is a Micro$oft idea. It is also > an idea that needs to be re-thought. > > Micro$oft is great about jumping onto new technology with half-baked > software. When they get close to fixing their software, then they > abandon it for new technology and more half-baked software expecting > people to buy the new hardware/software. It's a system that Micro$oft > can't be beaten at. I simply think that it is time for a change. > > (I'm not against new ideas. But I hate keeping up with Mr. Gates.) > > Lloyd Hayes > > Email: wyoming_antelope@yahoo.com > URL: http://TalkingStaff.bravehost.com > E-FAX Number: (208) 248-6590 > Web Journal: http://lloyd_hayes.bravejournal.com/ > > > > Tom McLaughlin wrote: > >> On Sat, 2004-06-19 at 15:40, Jorn Argelo wrote: >> >> >>> Lloyd Hayes wrote: >>> >>> >>>> I finally decided that I needed to get more information on FreeBSD. >>>> I got it up and running, then I did something else and I start >>>> getting errors again.... >>>> >>>> So I just ordered 3 books on FreeBSD from Amazon. In most of the >>>> reviews posted there about the books, people were complaining about >>>> weak documentation, too much information about things that they >>>> were not interested in, and errors in the in the books which seems >>>> to be the most common complaint. In my very short recent history >>>> with FreeBSD, I've formed the opinion that documenting FreeBSD is >>>> it's greatest weakness. FreeBSD needs someone who can actually type >>>> to write a good book for beginners who have never seen UNIX code. A >>>> book is needed with examples that actually WORK! Examples that are >>>> explained in plain English. There seems to be very few books on >>>> FreeBSD around. >>>> >>> Beginners who never seen UNIX coude shouldn't start with FreeBSD in >>> the first place, if you ask me. They should start Mandrake Linux or >>> SuSe or something of the sorts. FreeBSD isn't made to make an "user >>> friendly" operating system, as Mandrake Linux is aiming at. You just >>> have to know some Unix stuff before you even start with FreeBSD. >>> >> >> I would have to disgree having my first *nix experience five years ago >> with Mandrake and switching to FreeBSD a number of months ago. I >> switched to FreeBSD because I felt my unix skills were getting rusty. >> When I started with Mandrake I did most of my system configuration and >> administration from the command line and I learned a lot of unix in >> those first few years. >> Over time with the inclusion of more GUI based tools that became >> harder. Files seemed to keep moving or configuration was spread across >> too many files. I believe you end up becomming too dependant on the >> distribution specific configuration tools with Linux and you don't >> truely learn the system. For anyone who really wants to learn unix the >> BSDs are the place to start. >> >> Linux is for people who hate Micro$oft. >> BSD is for people who love Unix. >> >> Tom >> >> >> >>> I have the book on the below link, and I must say it is very very >>> good. Good examples and clearly elaborated, though it lacks in-depth >>> information, which might be handy for more advanced users. It's good >>> for beginners who are comfortable in a Unix or Linux enviroment. Why >>> don't you give that one a shot? >>> >>> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0072224096/104-0798845-8369533?v=glance >>> >>> >>> And what about our own FreeBSD Handbook? Don't tell me that that is >>> bad, because there is book that can beat it if you ask me. >>> >>> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Jorn >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>> >> >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >
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