From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Mar 1 10:24:49 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.surf24.de (mail.surf24.de [212.62.192.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCA7715681 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 10:24:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Rainer.Duffner@surf24.de) Received: from duffner.surf24.de (surf229.surf24.de [212.62.193.229]) by mail.surf24.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA10649 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 19:24:13 +0100 Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 19:23:10 +0100 (MEZ) From: Rainer M Duffner Subject: SAP will _release_ a Linux port of R/3 in Q3/99 !!! To: newbies@freebsd.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: enigma, http://www-stud.fh-konstanz.de/~enigma X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Well, most of you will probably have not even heard about R/3 before (and this is a FreeBSD-list anyway), so what does that mean for Joe User ? R/3 is, basically said, a huge piece of software that can run a whole, worldwide enterprise. If you thought Oracle, Informix, Wordperfect or Staroffice were a huge step forward for Open Source Software, R/3 is a WARP-2 jump. Perhaps even more important than if Microsoft had ported Office to Linux and released the sourcecode. Rumours went for nearly 6 months that there was "something" - but SAP always denied. Like Oracle, Informix and Lotus denied. If you thought 1998 was a "good" year, the first 2 months of 1999 are already better :-) It is really important to note that Windows NT only started to take-up in the large companies, when SAP released a version of R/3 that ran on NT. To summarize, this means that the people around you, who consider Linux/FreeBSD basically as a nice toy-OS, should ask themselves if the _real_ toy OS isn't running on their desktops, with animated paperclips and flashy mouse-pointers, while they try to write an email with Outlook. news.com has some lines on it - visitors of the German CeBit-show in Hannover will be able to see a runnig R/3-system on Linux. Live. cheers, Rainer -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |Rainer Duffner, E-Mail: duffner@fh-konstanz.de | | & Rainer.Duffner@surf24.de | |Fachhochschule Konstanz, Germany | |"What's a Network ?" - Bill Gates, early 1980s | | WWW:http://www-stud.fh-konstanz.de/~duffner | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Mar 2 10:17:59 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from shrike.depaul.edu (shrike.depaul.edu [140.192.1.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02BBE1563A for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 10:17:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mhughes@shrike.depaul.edu) Received: from localhost (mhughes@localhost) by shrike.depaul.edu (8.8.3/8.5) with SMTP id MAA07548; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 12:12:57 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 12:12:56 -0600 (CST) From: Matthew J Hughes To: "R. J. Young" Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Download and installation In-Reply-To: <000001be6285$abc15860$05ffa8c0@maxximus.cgocable.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 27 Feb 1999, R. J. Young wrote: > We are starting a FreeBSD club at school. I am also a FreeBSD newbie and living in Greater Chicagoland (IL, USA) area for now. I am interested in the steps that you will take towards forming this club at your school and a copy of your charter. Also I am wondering If thier already exists a group in chicago. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Mar 2 10:26: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from toxic.magnesium.net (toxic.magnesium.net [204.188.6.238]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2D7B31563C for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 10:25:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from unfurl@toxic.magnesium.net) Received: (qmail 91944 invoked by uid 1001); 2 Mar 1999 18:25:42 -0000 Date: 2 Mar 1999 10:25:42 -0800 Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 10:25:42 -0800 From: Unfurl To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Download and installation Message-ID: <19990302102542.A91908@dub.net> References: <000001be6285$abc15860$05ffa8c0@maxximus.cgocable.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Matthew J Hughes on Tue, Mar 02, 1999 at 12:12:56PM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org From the http://www.freebsd.org/support.html#user page: The Chicago FreeBSD Users Group (ChiFUG): http://pages.ripco.com/~aphor/ChiFUG.html Woo! :) -Bill On Tue, Mar 02, 1999 at 12:12:56PM -0600, Matthew J Hughes wrote: > On Sat, 27 Feb 1999, R. J. Young wrote: > > We are starting a FreeBSD club at school. > > I am also a FreeBSD newbie and living in Greater Chicagoland (IL, USA) > area for now. I am interested in the steps that you will take towards > forming this club at your school and a copy of your charter. Also I am > wondering If thier already exists a group in chicago. > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message -- unfurl@dub.net - This is a munition. Fight Back! #!/bin/perl -sp0777i; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 17:22:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dpilgrim@uswest.net) Received: (qmail 24013 invoked by alias); 3 Mar 1999 01:22:31 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org@fixme Received: (qmail 23987 invoked by uid 0); 3 Mar 1999 01:22:30 -0000 Received: from bdsl224.ptld.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (209.180.169.224) by ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net with SMTP; 3 Mar 1999 01:22:30 -0000 Message-ID: <36DC8ED5.2CF1DF6C@uswest.net> Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 17:22:29 -0800 From: Nocturne Organization: Neatly stacked heaps of digital chaos X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Huang Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: About making iso file. X-Priority: 1 (Highest) References: <199903030055.IAA26514@dy-public.sc.cninfo.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [sent to questions and newbies for the sake of getting the word out, my apologies, be sure to trim the addressee list when replying] Robert Huang wrote: > > Name: Happy99.exe > Happy99.exe Type: unspecified type (application/octet-stream) > Encoding: x-uuencode Another hapless victim of a nuisance trojan. If you have it, you'll find ska.exe and ska.dll in your windows system directory. If you have it, go to www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Heights/3652/SKA.HTM for instructions on getting rid of it. And for crissakes, don't open executable e-mail attachments from strangers! (Of course if you don't run Windoze you don't have to worry about it.) -- dpilgrim@uswest.net ICQ: 29880099 gryph@mindless.com PGP DH/DSS key available If you're gonna build a house of cards, use the plastic coated kind Cuz I'll bet the homeowner's insurance won't cover flood damage To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Mar 2 17:56:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B452114E8B for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 17:53:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.0) id MAA23002; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 12:53:09 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <19990303125304.19410@welearn.com.au> Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 12:53:04 +1100 From: Sue Blake To: Nocturne Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: About making iso file. References: <199903030055.IAA26514@dy-public.sc.cninfo.net> <36DC8ED5.2CF1DF6C@uswest.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <36DC8ED5.2CF1DF6C@uswest.net>; from Nocturne on Tue, Mar 02, 1999 at 05:22:29PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Mar 02, 1999 at 05:22:29PM -0800, Nocturne wrote: > > (Of course if you don't run Windoze you don't have to worry about it.) Then let's not, please. People who post these sorts of warnings to any FreeBSD list are usually slapped on the wrist and told to post to freebsd-security or not at all. (If you're networked it's a real good idea to lurk on -security if you can stand a little more mail traffic) People are also slapped on the wrist for posting to two lists without good cause, for giving or asking advice for other operating systems (though that's been tolerated in -newbies if it's necessary during the transition towards FreeBSD), for straying from the list charter, and also for posting followups to messages that shouldn't have been posted to the list in the first place (kinda like I'm doing now). I'm not doing any slapping here, but just letting you all know so you don't embarrass yourselves in the other lists. -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Mar 2 18: 4: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDE4915096 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 18:03:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.0) id NAA23048; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:03:26 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <19990303130313.06938@welearn.com.au> Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:03:13 +1100 From: Sue Blake To: Nocturne Cc: Robert Huang , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: About making iso file. References: <199903030055.IAA26514@dy-public.sc.cninfo.net> <36DC8ED5.2CF1DF6C@uswest.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <36DC8ED5.2CF1DF6C@uswest.net>; from Nocturne on Tue, Mar 02, 1999 at 05:22:29PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Mar 02, 1999 at 05:22:29PM -0800, Nocturne wrote: > > And for crissakes, don't open executable e-mail attachments from strangers! That deserves repeating. > (Of course if you don't run Windoze you don't have to worry about it.) Not so, in general terms. People running unix style systems should also take great care when an executable or source code is sent to them attached to email. The general warning about attachments from strangers is short and to the point, but also consider attachments from friends a potential risk. The friend might be unaware that the file is harmful, or even unaware that he or she is sending an attached file. That's the case when they send this happy99.exe, for example. A related warning for FreeBSD users is not to run any command that you don't fully understand, for example one that is "helpfully" emailed to you. Use man to check out what each part means first, and if it still doesn't make sense, treat it as if it's dangerous. There have been times when I've been given a command in a reply from freebsd-questions and sat on it for a day or so, waiting for one of the Great Knowing Ones to jump in with a correction if it was dangerous because I just wasn't sure. The followups usually clarify what it does so that it's easy to never break the rule suggested in the paragraph above. -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 4 6:59:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from fellspt.charm.net (fellspt.charm.net [199.0.70.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E502714CFE for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 06:59:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from treecat@charm.net) Received: from charm.net (balt-rfnp-068.charm.net [209.143.127.68]) by fellspt.charm.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA19854 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 09:59:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36DE9F9D.7ADC26B9@charm.net> Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 09:58:37 -0500 From: Dutch X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Not sure - routd vs. gated Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Intro: Ignore the word Linux in the title of the book. It is a very good book on networking and it starts from "noclue" and goes up from there. I like it so far. 1) I am reading, Linux Network Admin. Guide, by Kirch [o'reilly, 1995] and the following statement was presented to the reader - topic is "The Routing Table" in the TCP/IP gateway section (the double quotes mark what is italic in the book); begin quote from text[page 23&25]: We are now focusing our attention on how IP chooses a gateway to use when delivering a datagram to a remote network. . . . . . . Depending on the size of the network, different routing protocols will be used. For routing inside autonomous systems (such as Groucho Marx campus), the "internal routing protocols" are used. The most prominent one is RIP, the "Routing Information Protocol", which is implemented by BSD "routed" daemon. For routing between autonomous systems, "external routing protocols" like EGP ("External Gateway Protocol"), or BGP ("Border Gateway Protocol") have to be used; these (as well as RIP) have been implemented in the University of Cornell's "gated" daemon.* . . . . . . * "routed" is considered broken by many people. Since "gated" supports RIP as well, it is better to use that instead. end quote from text 2) My question is, routed is broken? how? What if I have no need to connect to an outside network. Use gated anyway? Maybe I am missing the point and there is no mountain here, just a molehill. -dutch To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 4 9:47: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.surf24.de (mail.surf24.de [212.62.192.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C6301507A for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 09:47:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Rainer.Duffner@surf24.de) Received: from duffner.surf24.de (surf254.surf24.de [212.62.193.254]) by mail.surf24.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA12626; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 18:46:37 +0100 Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 17:32:25 +0100 (MEZ) From: Rainer M Duffner Subject: Re: Not sure - routd vs. gated To: Dutch Cc: "freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG" In-Reply-To: <36DE9F9D.7ADC26B9@charm.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: enigma, http://www-stud.fh-konstanz.de/~enigma X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu 04 Mar, Dutch wrote: > . . . * "routed" is considered broken by many people. Since > "gated" > supports RIP as well, it is better to use that instead. > end quote from text > > 2) My question is, routed is broken? I think that relates to security. > how? What if I have no need to connect to an outside network. Than routed should be OK. IIRC (I may be wrong), from FreeBSD-3 onwards, gated is used as standard. > Use gated anyway? Gated is considered very much better. But think: you only need them if you have dynamic routes. Static routes a la 'route add -net ...' don't need a daemon at all. Gated for a static home-network is overkill, IMHO. Setting it up may be a good exercise, though :-) cheers, Rainer -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |Rainer Duffner, E-Mail: duffner@fh-konstanz.de | | & Rainer.Duffner@surf24.de | |Fachhochschule Konstanz, Germany | |"What's a Network ?" - Bill Gates, early 1980s | | WWW:http://www-stud.fh-konstanz.de/~duffner | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 4 10:40:58 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from crilling.telmex.net.mx (crilling.telmex.net.mx [200.33.150.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27B561511F for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 10:40:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ibac@nl1.telmex.net.mx) Received: from pc3.ibac ("port 1116"@[200.38.201.75]) by sims01.telmex.net.mx (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1998.11.13.11.10) with SMTP id <0F830044D108MY@sims01.telmex.net.mx> for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 12:07:22 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 12:03:58 -0600 From: "Ing. Alfonso Romero" Subject: using ppp To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Reply-To: ibac@nl1.telmex.net.mx Message-id: <36DECB0E.96B@nl1.telmex.net.mx> Organization: IBAC MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org how can i make a user named internet have access to only the ppp program? thanks. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 5 16:26:13 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from fellspt.charm.net (fellspt.charm.net [199.0.70.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A4BD1527C for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 16:26:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from treecat@charm.net) Received: from charm.net (coretel-210.charm.net [209.143.116.210]) by fellspt.charm.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA08409 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 19:25:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36E07615.618730D6@charm.net> Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 19:25:57 -0500 From: Dutch X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: FreeBSD 3.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Is FreeBSD 3.1 stable. I read that it has a Linux emulation mode. What is that, could not find any info. on that. A link to real info. would be nice. thanks -dutch/quasimoto To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 5 17:30:47 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FFC1152AE for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 17:30:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.0) id MAA09978 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 12:30:10 +1100 (EST) Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 12:30:10 +1100 (EST) From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <199903060130.MAA09978@phoenix.welearn.com.au> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Newbies First Aid Kit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit (Last updated 30 August 1998) (This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/) FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for help or answer how-to questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources:charters.html) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "subscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message. Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org appears on the mailing list. _________________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Mar 6 0:34:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net (ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net [198.36.160.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DD3D415140 for ; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 00:34:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dpilgrim@uswest.net) Received: (qmail 12154 invoked by alias); 6 Mar 1999 08:34:24 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG@fixme Received: (qmail 12135 invoked by uid 0); 6 Mar 1999 08:34:23 -0000 Received: from bdsl224.ptld.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (209.180.169.224) by ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net with SMTP; 6 Mar 1999 08:34:23 -0000 Message-ID: <36E0E88F.BEA12AE3@uswest.net> Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 00:34:23 -0800 From: Nocturne Organization: Neatly stacked heaps of digital chaos X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dutch Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD 3.1 References: <36E07615.618730D6@charm.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dutch wrote: > > Is FreeBSD 3.1 stable. I read that it has a Linux emulation mode. What is > that, could not find any info. on that. A link to real info. would be nice. FreeBSD 3.1 is a -RELEASE version, meaning that the folks in charge of developing FreeBSD think it was stable enough to be released to the public. All -RELEASEs are stable enough for most users, but they still have a few problems (which always get fixed quickly.) However, *any* version of FreeBSD is rock solid in comparison to any version of Windows, even NT. Information on the Linux compatibility in FreeBSD can be found in chapter 23 of the FreeBSD Handbook: http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/handbook306.html#651 > thanks You're welcome. Remember, questions (like yours) about where to find introductory information and other newbie resources are welcome here, but if you have a technical question about FreeBSD, please send it to the main technical support list at freebsd-questions@freebsd.org. You don't have to be subscribed to that list to send to it, but if you aren't subscribed, be sure to mention it so that people will know to e-mail you a reply. (Hey Sue, I think I'm gettin' the hang of 'dis here newbie helpin' thing. :-)) -- dpilgrim@uswest.net ICQ: 29880099 gryph@mindless.com PGP DH/DSS key available If you're gonna build a house of cards, use the plastic coated kind Cuz I'll bet the homeowner's insurance won't cover flood damage To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Mar 6 1:38:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from andromeda. (test.register.md [209.26.120.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A864B14CC6 for ; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 01:38:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from admin@wholesalehosting.com) Received: from bob by andromeda. (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id EAA13188; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 04:40:35 -0500 Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 04:27:05 -0500 From: admin To: "freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Hello In-Reply-To: <36E0E88F.BEA12AE3@uswest.net> References: <36E07615.618730D6@charm.net> <36E0E88F.BEA12AE3@uswest.net> Reply-To: admin@wholesalehosting.com Message-Id: <36E0F4E914A.81CCADMIN@domains.md> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Becky! ver 1.24 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Just wanted to say 'hey' - I'm a very small isp who reciently became an almost out of slack isp when the security alarm company i ran (outside the box) forced me into bankrupcy and took my isp with it. But i digress.. I'm now running my own box and having to start from scratch; when last go round i had a team of paid /all be it faceless/ admins making everything - 'new to unix' friendly - all i had to do was fill out the proper form and *POOF* new clients domains all ready to go - armed to the hilt with all the bells and whistles... Things are much different now ;) But i believe 'Bob' has praised me once again by showing me the 'right' path and is bettering me by turning me on to freebsd and making me learn what i was getting away with with 'the other hosting company' so... Now i'm running FreeBSD on my own 'leased' box and learning 'the hard way', the joys i was missing. Currently I'm running FreeBSD 2.2.8, Bind8 and Sendmail 8.9.3/8.9.3 on a pentium 200mhz / 64mb-ram on a 10MB connection directly to an OC-3 backbone limited only by a 100kbps (8kB/s) non-burstable service level something or other.. what ever that means. I've setup some toys to play with that i hope to use to my advantage and am looking for skilled people who are willing to put up with my needyness to idle with and play. If you'd like to stop in and carve a home; we'd love to have the company and may be even learn something. IRCd : irc.SubGenius.net - is our own small net and we're looking for idler's I'm not saying that you'll get anything for hanging out, so please don't come asking for free shells or resources - but if your pstench isn't pink and you could stand another idle console, we'd love to have you. Peace RevPsych : also my usual /nick ------------------------------ Wholesale Hosting Inc. Po.Box 273 Davidsonville, MD 21035 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Mar 6 23:49: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net (ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net [198.36.160.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id F218D14C35 for ; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 23:48:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dpilgrim@uswest.net) Received: (qmail 23594 invoked by alias); 7 Mar 1999 07:48:32 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG@fixme Received: (qmail 23577 invoked by uid 0); 7 Mar 1999 07:48:32 -0000 Received: from bdsl224.ptld.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (209.180.169.224) by ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net with SMTP; 7 Mar 1999 07:48:32 -0000 Message-ID: <36E22F4F.6D8A188@uswest.net> Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 23:48:31 -0800 From: Nocturne Organization: Neatly stacked heaps of digital chaos X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: admin@wholesalehosting.com Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Hello References: <36E07615.618730D6@charm.net> <36E0E88F.BEA12AE3@uswest.net> <36E0F4E914A.81CCADMIN@domains.md> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org admin wrote: > But i believe 'Bob' has praised me once again by showing me the 'right' > path and is bettering me by turning me on to freebsd and making me learn > what i was getting away with with 'the other hosting company' so... Now > i'm running FreeBSD on my own 'leased' box and learning 'the hard way', > the joys i was missing. We'd really hate to have you deprived of the joys we all share, day in, day out, ceaselessly, over and over and over.... ;-) > Currently I'm running FreeBSD 2.2.8, Bind8 and Sendmail 8.9.3/8.9.3 on a > pentium 200mhz / 64mb-ram on a 10MB connection directly to an OC-3 > backbone limited only by a 100kbps (8kB/s) non-burstable service level > something or other.. what ever that means. It means your upstream's got a hard limiter on your bandwidth. :-) Really clarified it, didn't I? > I've setup some toys to play with that i hope to use to my advantage and > am looking for skilled people who are willing to put up with my > needyness to idle with and play. If you'd like to stop in and carve a > home; we'd love to have the company and may be even learn something. Always willing to help... > IRCd : irc.SubGenius.net - is our own small net and we're looking for ...and I'd be eager to, if I knew which port to connect to. I'm not going to scan you because the last time I did that it really upset my ISP. "Ooo, ooo, can I be an Op, pullleeeaaaaassssseeee???" hehehe P.S. You might want to send this to -chat as well... -- dpilgrim@uswest.net ICQ: 29880099 gryph@mindless.com PGP DH/DSS key available If you're gonna build a house of cards, use the plastic coated kind Cuz I'll bet the homeowner's insurance won't cover flood damage To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message