From owner-freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Wed Feb 10 22:39:27 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D29F52C4DC for ; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 22:39:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: from mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (mailman.nyi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::50:13]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DbZSb2Lkkz3QnZ for ; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 22:39:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 4EACF52C4DB; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 22:39:27 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: ppc@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E74952CDED for ; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 22:39:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: from mail.soaustin.net (mail.soaustin.net [18.222.6.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.soaustin.net", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DbZSW1kKXz3Qlg; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 22:39:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: from lonesome.com (unknown [18.188.142.31]) by mail.soaustin.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 105A9170F5; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 22:39:22 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 22:39:21 +0000 From: Mark Linimon To: ppc@FreeBSD.org Cc: linimon@FreeBSD.org, pkubaj@FreeBSD.org, bdragon@FreeBSD.org Subject: how many users of FreeBSD 12 do we have on powerpc? Message-ID: <20210210223920.GA31353@lonesome.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DbZSW1kKXz3Qlg X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of linimon@lonesome.com has no SPF policy when checking 18.222.6.11) smtp.mailfrom=linimon@lonesome.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.20 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.999]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[18.222.6.11:from]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[18.222.6.11:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16509, ipnet:18.220.0.0/14, country:US]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FREEFALL_USER(0.00)[linimon]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[lonesome.com]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[18.222.6.11:from:127.0.2.255]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[ppc] X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 07:14:11 +0000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 22:39:27 -0000 So I want to get an idea if we can start trying to move FreeBSD/powerpc* users from 12.X to 13.0 once 13.0 is released. The problem is that we have limitations on: - hardware resources w/rt building ports on 3 branches - human resources trying to support 3 branches The powerpc ports team (the entire handful of us) is talking about dropping ports building for 12-STABLE in favor of starting to build 14-CURRENT. How many people will this affect if we do so? fwiw, I personally believe 13.0 will be a complete superset except for: - ports that fail due to duplicate_symbol and all of those are problems shared with even amd64. (Also, I personally believe that it is fair to say "we do not really support powerpc* on 10.X or 11.Y. Please upgrade.") How many people will these changes effect? It's time to speak up ... mcl