From owner-freebsd-arm@freebsd.org Wed Mar 31 18:38:37 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arm@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBD715AC09D for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2021 18:38:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from maciphone2@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-wm1-x32a.google.com (mail-wm1-x32a.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::32a]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F9Zp43WY4z4Tj8 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2021 18:38:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from maciphone2@googlemail.com) Received: by mail-wm1-x32a.google.com with SMTP id f22-20020a7bc8d60000b029010c024a1407so1626853wml.2 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2021 11:38:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version :subject:date:references:to:in-reply-to:message-id; bh=qQMF9QHRIGwcDr6TdflbEd4hKJgU+9KpQuAhSqZVHZ8=; b=slbe3Uhrn/kZKIJwN9rUV3fQJnJI0gzu9xDYZ3Uj52y++MaaoSEQRqbRrIPAWCx7vx TRFVaGVeBWVGHh4P5D8aa4PRNTrFclvghLmexJ8DuA+VP4C/sYVE7VnDqmACWdS3pKJX 9ZPDssk3r8e/HmvCM5fWD7vAb9C8BhJ22fJqU04ZNhrKqTNFUyIVdAebm836F9zYPbaN fxgpBOW4BXeMeKrPjYK5Xvn2aC9uQbxU3vsNKxHsREkcB3qo3UQyZcmm/tpPJmKfEu7q wSJPz7bCJRalSO7WD23FHr3SSVK74AVciFB/gmtJ0bTLmDVjPsI0uSbCS3SLqY8QsLB7 ujWQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5324gDWrbEJ9+uDo+3oiNkU66xX6bgiB+DiOq6OFQVTGyzbKRSKf gLsD/e4D1Jfhv5z32mMLUaMbANxEvKjR+g== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxznbu92XQretRYzFVUC943TAqAk9478hKh3+c8qu1VTseIQ5Mx1/Qzbkok0q0ZKi2v3k++ZA== X-Received: by 2002:a7b:c186:: with SMTP id y6mr4498589wmi.84.1617215914645; Wed, 31 Mar 2021 11:38:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.167] (dynamic-046-114-153-135.46.114.pool.telefonica.de. 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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2021 20:38:32 +0200 References: <202103310043.12V0hFqg023324@office.dignus.com> <6136F5CE-0E73-4A36-B3B0-CA17C8BEE9AA@unrelenting.technology> <03D4DC97-1F65-4CF3-A85B-6744A401931D@googlemail.com> <48041E50-D673-4855-A8C0-9B45D6BEA739@unrelenting.technology> To: Greg V , freebsd-arm@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <48041E50-D673-4855-A8C0-9B45D6BEA739@unrelenting.technology> Message-Id: <7E683433-883B-4105-9103-AC9C437008FB@googlemail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.60.0.2.21) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F9Zp43WY4z4Tj8 X-Spamd-Bar: / X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.50 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[googlemail.com]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[googlemail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[googlemail.com,quarantine]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[googlemail.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::32a:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[googlemail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[googlemail.com:s=20161025]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[46.114.153.135:received]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-arm@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(1.00)[1.000]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::32a:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::32a:from]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-arm] X-BeenThere: freebsd-arm@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to ARM processors List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2021 18:38:38 -0000 > On March 31, 2021 2:21:57 PM UTC, "Klaus K=C3=BCchemann" = wrote: >>=20 >> really interesting : >> = https://reviews.freebsd.org/R10:3a314eb5bb444ec019457e5aefaabb656fcb3d54 > Am 31.03.2021 um 19:31 schrieb Greg V : > This commit does nothing for *running* on Apple Silicon. >=20 > This is about *building* FreeBSD *from macOS* on Apple Silicon. Some = people want cross-builds from anything to work. >=20 > These things are completely orthogonal. >=20 > Someone working on the *running* part would generally have no reason = to build FreeBSD on macOS specifically. of course has nothing to do with *running* fbsd-OS natively on the M1. But when I=E2=80=99m thinking of buying a machine for ~$1000 or even = much more , I expect some=20 useful features of it. Being able to run fbsd-builds from MacOS is one = of those features. Afaik currently fbsd runs in QEMU/Parallels(don=E2=80=99t know whether = VMware has released something) and kettenis@ of OpenBSD made it "*running*"(for development) from = u-boot. https://twitter.com/bluerise/status/1359644736483655683... =E2=80=A6something from the tux: https://lwn.net/Articles/848307/ Well, compared to the Lx2k the currently max. of 16GB RAM and less cores = of the M1 is something=20 to think about =E2=80=A6 running native fbsd with 16 cores/64GB RAM = seems to be interesting=E2=80=A6 but Dan K. was right : so many ugly gadgets lying around, and then so = much dollars for yet another ugly board ? :-) .. Ha Ha..while also a lot = of SFP-cables still lying around here I=E2=80=99m actually so happy that = they=E2=80=99re no more in use :-) 10 GB SFP+ vs. 40GB thunderbolt 3 =E2=80=A6 well, many things to consider when we think about what to waste our = money on next :-)=E2=80=A6. K.