From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 26 21:27:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D863216A401 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 21:27:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr3.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr3.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.23]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 442E743D8E for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 21:27:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by smtp-vbr3.xs4all.nl (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5QLQtTO037044; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 23:27:00 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.13.6/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k5QLQtQF093798; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 23:26:55 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: (from wb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id k5QLQsse093797; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 23:26:55 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wb) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 23:26:54 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: "M.Hirsch" Message-ID: <20060626212654.GB93703@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <20060626100949.G24406@fledge.watson.org> <20060626081029.L1114@ganymede.hub.org> <20060626140333.M38418@fledge.watson.org> <20060626235355.Q95667@atlantis.atlantis.dp.ua> <44A04FD2.1030001@hirsch.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <44A04FD2.1030001@hirsch.it> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: Dmitry Pryanishnikov , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD 6.x CVSUP today crashes with zero load ... X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 21:27:04 -0000 On Mon, Jun 26, 2006 at 11:21:22PM +0200, M.Hirsch wrote.. > ECC is a way to mask broken hardware. I rather have my hardware fail > directly when it does first, so I can replace it _immediately_ > What's your hardware good for if it passes a "test", but fails in > production? > > ECC is totally overrated. Balderdash. Following your rationale you want your bank account data silently be corrupted by hardware with bit errors? Be my guest, give me ECC any day. Proper hardware will log the ECC errors, a proper OS tailored to that hardware will log and notify the sysadmins. That is how it should be done. Wilko -- Wilko Bulte wilko@FreeBSD.org