From owner-freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org Thu Dec 5 04:00:48 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc64@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49D9E1B92F3 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2019 04:00:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dd.if.dev.zero.of.dev.null.count.1.bs.1g@gmail.com) Received: from mail-il1-x132.google.com (mail-il1-x132.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::132]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47T27g2tH7z3DYQ for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2019 04:00:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dd.if.dev.zero.of.dev.null.count.1.bs.1g@gmail.com) Received: by mail-il1-x132.google.com with SMTP id a7so1729395ild.6 for ; Wed, 04 Dec 2019 20:00:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=PasA1w+QjTj+NSTUsAaa3GG0+1r+nQCwrxm/dAoV7u8=; b=OA2cNJMHNYaM6fUiIU3aY+mKu5XcQaZ6orj/+5kzSayBi7CE3vJm487ovbu4/4w2hT sCRRSohIi28kl6M79LKINAtdHFTCFPYWDKx+rPlC8knLUtrSDmxn+5RG6KLn70An3PQ9 cgOYetlkM4u+t++bra6um76Tip44SH/SocgEAmDvxPZlC67itPxoBXRdqq+H8U4PyrJV OUJmWHrRQMVh3jpnE5T1R5oAFFEhertoOsZGyWUFv2nU3nji5e4/WFqym+2bbOnyMrR4 d7Jm7L6yX2HO62b3wyFHUE3q4nLWX81I0qaVKt5iH5xjGZOe723bL0R4bm1lxYNE3Yjx PfPg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=PasA1w+QjTj+NSTUsAaa3GG0+1r+nQCwrxm/dAoV7u8=; b=JRhAD528tzxWXaTdOePww7iTLPXDrcNiAlSO2IUx0r6gpxQfNPrRddcnX82UBhzTtD XvmjzORp+/CCAjmBZi160kve/jyEKOoeVdRhz0kUWE+SU2fQmTFxuduYW/ijn0VryncI 04v9Jm53+lUiHv1IbSZ54AcBwz4FC4xdmbPBe8cQ0JNnwgPos9a+4bZ5xP3i7ytoH3yp QWbBlxbCNtDHVwyobeaHg3Vhi7WF5ZXnx7GjwVi4ARt9q3o02Yz4veJ3YbMeuQkKsGs/ aAkdO1KTBsoqpyHHTmXJvpm008OSmE6fLIdbRIIqsaE1yNdf8UJM7UJf/2zxn1Yq+Dhl zyDA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUxtWn+ofexPjf/zvQFuLmrOHqtBHeT9y3XVTubi85sLmBq4SA+ zz0k7xX98CflooqoyJRZS5VVwiaD71neIsX15w8= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzXxnFLSFc8f2RKL0OPvQKPw/wIrg3rF2E/PhrYF2feECX1tGO2UQksteMyVcLtAHPFj1YohV4GP0E7d64pDFg= X-Received: by 2002:a92:45cb:: with SMTP id z72mr6942509ilj.101.1575518446267; Wed, 04 Dec 2019 20:00:46 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20191203181148.GA24129@lonesome.com> <20495159-605f-c0eb-bd26-4daaab2024a2@sorbs.net> <20191205035843.GA3392@lonesome.com> In-Reply-To: <20191205035843.GA3392@lonesome.com> From: Joe Kozak Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2019 22:00:35 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Sparc64 and FreeBSD 13.0 To: Mark Linimon Cc: Gordon Zaft , Michelle Sullivan , freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 47T27g2tH7z3DYQ X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=OA2cNJMH; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ddifdevzeroofdevnullcount1bs1g@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::132 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ddifdevzeroofdevnullcount1bs1g@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.00 / 15.00]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (-8.42), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-2.23), asn: 15169(-1.93), country: US(-0.05)]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2.3.1.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[gmail.com]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-sparc64@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Sparc List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2019 04:00:48 -0000 Is that for basic support in the compiler linker bits? On Wed, Dec 4, 2019 at 9:58 PM Mark Linimon wrote: > On Wed, Dec 04, 2019 at 05:34:46PM -0600, Joe Kozak wrote: > > I put my vote of support in for someone doing some updating if > > possible. > > Unfortunately it doesn't work like that in volunteer projects. > > I estimate it would take 1-3 months to fix the toolchain -- which > would only save us the existing systems (manufactured up to 2005). > When I last looked at sun4v (the newer systems) I estimated 3-5 > months. > > That's full-time activity from someone who *used* to do systems > work, but has not for many years, and would have to come up to > speed on 18 zillion things. > > mcl > > (fwiw I am a software engineer, ergo, my estimates suck.) >