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NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.91)[-0.914]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20473, ipnet:2001:19f0:5000::/38, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 02:38:13 -0000 --Nq2Wo0NMKNjxTN9z Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable @lbutlr wrote: >=20 > This is what I have been doing for years to get ssh access (an other port= s) into my LAN, though I go with the easier to remember method of >=20 > 2202 =3D> lan.2:22 > 2212 =3D> lan.12:22 > 22107 =3D> lan.107:22 >=20 > (So 192.168.0.2 or 10.0.32.12 or however you have your LAN setup) I used this for years but then I learnt about the concept of bastion host (the ProxyJump option in ssh_config) and forgot about all this hassle with port forwarding. --=20 Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN 2:5005/49@fidonet http://vas.tomsk.ru/ --Nq2Wo0NMKNjxTN9z Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; 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R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.56)[-0.561]; ARC_SIGNED(0.00)[i=1]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.25)[-0.254]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[nomadlogic.org]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.05)[-0.046]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:25795, ipnet:174.136.96.0/20, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[23.243.161.111:received] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 02:53:23 -0000 On 8/15/20 7:47 PM, Victor Sudakov wrote: > Dear Colleagues, > > I'm looking for a superdaemon to start, monitor and restart (e.g. in > case of crash) other daemons like squid, syncthing and others. > > At first I wanted to place them into /etc/ttys but then I realized that > I need something more flexible like Linux' systemd or Solaris' SMF. > > What would you recommend for FreeBSD not as a total rc(8) replacement > but as a tool to manage some daemons? > > daemon(8) is the way to go.  it also integrates nicely with rc(8) and is part of the base system. -pete -- Pete Wright pete@nomadlogic.org @nomadlogicLA From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Aug 16 03:12:54 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 098F53AFA28 for ; 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Try daemontools which is in ports. It was written by Dan Bernstein so it is in his quirky style but it works great. http://cr.yp.to/daemontools.html The "daemon" program someone else mentioned is fine for starting a daemon but not for managing them, From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Aug 16 03:40:01 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E63873B01CB for ; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 03:40:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@sibptus.ru) Received: from admin.sibptus.ru (admin.sibptus.ru [IPv6:2001:19f0:5001:21dc::10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BTjc11Ckgz3bHx for ; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 03:40:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@sibptus.ru) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sibptus.ru; s=20181118; h=In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; 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DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[sibptus.ru,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.79)[-0.791]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20473, ipnet:2001:19f0:5000::/38, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 03:40:02 -0000 --/04w6evG8XlLl3ft Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Pete Wright wrote: >=20 >=20 > On 8/15/20 7:47 PM, Victor Sudakov wrote: > > Dear Colleagues, > >=20 > > I'm looking for a superdaemon to start, monitor and restart (e.g. in > > case of crash) other daemons like squid, syncthing and others. > >=20 > > At first I wanted to place them into /etc/ttys but then I realized that > > I need something more flexible like Linux' systemd or Solaris' SMF. > >=20 > > What would you recommend for FreeBSD not as a total rc(8) replacement > > but as a tool to manage some daemons? > >=20 > >=20 >=20 > daemon(8) is the way to go.=A0=20 >=20 I had the impression that daemon(8) was for programs which could not daemonize on their own. It is thus useful for syncthing but not very much for squid. > it also integrates nicely with rc(8) and is part > of the base system. I'm aware that daemon(8) is used in rc.d scripts to start some third-party software like consul and strongswan. However I would prefer a single superdaemon that would watch all its children. --=20 Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN 2:5005/49@fidonet http://vas.tomsk.ru/ --/04w6evG8XlLl3ft Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJfOKqPAAoJEA2k8lmbXsY0GO8H/2W2LPS0Z49dMyvIPxq0Njvy Z51zV1wXDRdsPgW5V07j4RegCVpPuST+AaRabW/UyUtZYyV9VyZYGk/LL7wy+fsr I9F4b/Q5ZKEKts6uxYu6OtJPK7xDylDPVRabsbwLlNFZ7KVHHAMEvuqSntAxWhkF VVZ39DDkNudvN2/bBPittMwCRy9YeOBQrzY1ha+1q4lPE/ZSoQLqHxX/fItQmM6d NwzYTiSYBQSiNXuZhKVioThQfPGT4lc4YK0LHilhywvho6WrExvO7ghq0AUh69kq OMpI6x/K91YsuA5lOJd78mKBZKA0EH7VMrYLSYKbkOyAEBH/rl6LvojCR5Csihk= =S/dg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --/04w6evG8XlLl3ft-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Aug 16 03:44:08 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5B4B3B0718 for ; 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ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.06)[-1.056]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[sibptus.ru:s=20181118]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx:c]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; ARC_SIGNED(0.00)[i=1]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.004]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[sibptus.ru:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[sibptus.ru,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.81)[-0.809]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20473, ipnet:2001:19f0:5000::/38, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 03:44:08 -0000 --1UWUbFP1cBYEclgG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable John Levine wrote: > In article <20200816024739.GB23449@admin.sibptus.ru> you write: > >-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D- > > > >Dear Colleagues, > > > >I'm looking for a superdaemon to start, monitor and restart (e.g. in > >case of crash) other daemons like squid, syncthing and others.=20 > > > >At first I wanted to place them into /etc/ttys but then I realized that > >I need something more flexible like Linux' systemd or Solaris' SMF. > > > >What would you recommend for FreeBSD not as a total rc(8) replacement > >but as a tool to manage some daemons? >=20 > Try daemontools which is in ports. It was written by Dan Bernstein so it > is in his quirky style but it works great. >=20 > http://cr.yp.to/daemontools.html Can it observe dependencies and a predictable start/stop order? --=20 Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN 2:5005/49@fidonet http://vas.tomsk.ru/ --1UWUbFP1cBYEclgG Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJfOKuHAAoJEA2k8lmbXsY0O7UH/AlSOgsk67ieM3IqrvGplVMi o7G7905hVZAZKaiKHtKaXBJbDWy3i1yqAp0DV/ql/xEA58v16giE7NcasHC75QCV E3BlOdHb7ULskl23nqaUZmHLRoYJXWRvACzCYaGs/GOoL0IaVN7j+KJAxaeuC6Xb 04SgP6JC2Ohv94K7eqTQDZ0lB9MeT4u8UxwOqC+nlv5SvMc74bbq56mPFYl+CGYW tGFCqsTN2RDBrp8b4aGBuS0jDHr0PBYRobFUmCnPT5xQtkhxYRg641ypreI4byoL XSbneLooKORL1AAab+pdyOFhwKK+VYuczyBcQo9LAOKVLNVwIGbwZ5UU4stOU+U= =kH59 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --1UWUbFP1cBYEclgG-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Aug 16 05:43:54 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED5CF3B1B5C for ; 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This would set the resources free from the gnome-shit which Xfce runs in the background. Is it still possible? If you run this kind of configuration, can you answer some questions for me? 1. What good-looking WM would you recommend from the ports? I had a quick look at fvwm and was appalled how dated and ugly it looks to the modern eye. Even twm is better aesthetically but not rich enough for me. A minimal number of dependencies is an advantage. 2. Without a full-featured DE, how do you setup Xserver parameters? I've long forgotten how to configure multiple keyboard layouts, nice fonts, various hotkeys (layout switching etc). Is it still done via the global xorg.conf or is it possible on a per-user basis? 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This would set the > resources free from the gnome-shit which Xfce runs in the background. > Is it still possible? > > If you run this kind of configuration, can you answer some questions for > me? > > 1. What good-looking WM would you recommend from the ports? I had a > quick look at fvwm and was appalled how dated and ugly it looks to the > modern eye. Even twm is better aesthetically but not rich enough > for me. A minimal number of dependencies is an advantage. > > 2. Without a full-featured DE, how do you setup Xserver parameters? I've > long forgotten how to configure multiple keyboard layouts, nice fonts, > various hotkeys (layout switching etc). Is it still done via the global > xorg.conf or is it possible on a per-user basis? All the above is possible with enlightenment. Resource requirement is minimal and very configurable. -- `Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful'. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion. 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This would set the > resources free from the gnome-shit which Xfce runs in the background. > Is it still possible? > > If you run this kind of configuration, can you answer some questions for > me? > > 1. What good-looking WM would you recommend from the ports? I had a > quick look at fvwm and was appalled how dated and ugly it looks to the > modern eye. Even twm is better aesthetically but not rich enough > for me. A minimal number of dependencies is an advantage. > > 2. Without a full-featured DE, how do you setup Xserver parameters? I've > long forgotten how to configure multiple keyboard layouts, nice fonts, > various hotkeys (layout switching etc). Is it still done via the global > xorg.conf or is it possible on a per-user basis? > > So, please share your success stories. > > @1: "good looking" is in the eye of the observer. I have FVWM and TDE (which is not in ports) running. @2: you have a text editor, so what else do you need? Nik -- Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing with the NSA, CIA ... 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Sun, 16 Aug 2020 08:48:25 +0200 Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 08:48:24 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Victor Sudakov Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: A nice looking WM to replace a DE Message-Id: <20200816084824.7560107a.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20200816054351.GA26926@admin.sibptus.ru> References: <57EC9527.7020202@rcn.com> <20200816054351.GA26926@admin.sibptus.ru> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:CO9wGRqzymlnAu0n3u76fNkooThTLkq9EaIHe4sHw0/Xumhbvj4 DilwrarZIrR801pSMwN2pf9m9n/hnJJEidNZwnDyGuqOCnLGup5dFM9ep3Dsfr367vkaDrT N6kjXvOa5NmohD+JJnHMXw060cfPm7kWJXSbiTvG1MBnv7qNjH2DsadAYIPVfOrjXFL9CIw 2Kxz4qhYThoAlc0nN+ZGA== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:kzplXwRzgRQ=:ky/FTZHtKu/fopM1EvbJR5 9BggDm3Kb5/GuFDAsPyCjCoxk/Ykmg3ZzSNBHYed6U2I7MLJcWm0NFzWvKXy2AQYg7CYhJg7A TQ83XsRoq1xdRxxotynYDZYifsQHJNsK4rvYA5VRMCOd+TFSNyCWkbAZCEzm1wiR9lS3bFH4R saT+1M+r6g9BAHfstm0CM24XG6F2hsgDpKjIY8DBJSTWyyxuGCGB2lHuyvL3HKa7eemIjmc7h InzRnHf2lkNj1CLqj1jkMJigurCzbxhdt8XPXtziuV+qnC+RX0jIuqNvaHsvs4RsDzUBHjala Pf/+6PK5y3OGDFi1F7k0spgfqsTYiU/P7ng58n6sXsGdIfLBrYObrT+4xCTRkLCtauBUNa58W ghVpnhcySbr2dyJJ13HsHcYsHMBram4TlrqA3L93ARvZF4XxP6mlLDn2cSPnxx1tL6A1PMDtV EzMHZUMbSPoMl+w12F445SOzcH5eX7jhzL9SQnmW6vSETu+OiYlYSW3uHj9qGjg90sINqLfxR 31u3ELgI7VuhqY8Fooz4KuJ3kHSrTt9yAWsV95SwNSszUBC2o92bx7FuRBNw67frOA6nOFKmY GmmVqvrJYMcs4LEjWBwBXzU48LcgKAa8fI8musbRX2bDTA5vxyvK6cQFwmpoyVInhiMTk449c eZIDQ1cj8sgBsHk3LtTMYeUV4/Aa84cV6IMDWQU4X5hVoCORkNEqPwPstsTq7DGtDgeE9GN8y J17UHFEbBcb2gv1Y+zLEC+yTQLQlN2ZvyL3g9MvyCpmC150N4uX/5YkhqDmYfkEpYi5X8KfV6 aTxsupZjqMJgrrTQClULw7nEdX2nefT3NgDrunaqjhLRVm0KJ3FFQJex1GZA19E7Dl3UcDJ ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; 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This would set the > resources free from the gnome-shit which Xfce runs in the background. > Is it still possible? Definitely. Depending on your magic level, a tiling window manager could be interesting. If you're not that magic (like me), maybe fvwm-2 (Motif style) or IceWM will do? Personally, and even though I have tried many WMs, my personal favorite is WindowMaker (with non-default configuration, of course). Because I'm too stupid, the magic of tiling window managers didn't pour onto me yet. I've heared only good things about them, though. ;-) > 1. What good-looking WM would you recommend from the ports? I had a > quick look at fvwm and was appalled how dated and ugly it looks to the > modern eye. Even twm is better aesthetically but not rich enough > for me. A minimal number of dependencies is an advantage. In this case, IceWM isn't a bad choice. It supports several themes, as well as a Beastie-style "start button". It does not automatically "discover apps", i. e., you'll have to create your own menu file, but that's not a disadvantage in my opinion. The nice thing about IceWM is that you can configure all aspects easily with simple text-based configuration files. If you want to look very professional, add a Mac OS X wallpaper and the Warlock Bar (wbar). I've tried that, it actually works. ;-) > 2. Without a full-featured DE, how do you setup Xserver parameters? I've > long forgotten how to configure multiple keyboard layouts, nice fonts, > various hotkeys (layout switching etc). Is it still done via the global > xorg.conf or is it possible on a per-user basis? Today, most of this stuff is done automatically by X itself. If you want to force a specific configuration (especially a non-standard one, like a non-US keyboard), there's still the way of partial configuration files in the xorg.conf.d/ subdirectory. Keyboard layouts can be managed easily with xinput, the successor of xmodmap. And switching layouts can be done with IceWM keyboard bindings. For everything that you don't want to be a global setting, there's always ~/.xinitrc and/or ~/.xsession; you can use programs like xinput and xrandr to configure things after user login. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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This would set the >> resources free from the gnome-shit which Xfce runs in the background. >> Is it still possible? >> >> If you run this kind of configuration, can you answer some questions for >> me? >> >> 1. What good-looking WM would you recommend from the ports? I had a >> quick look at fvwm and was appalled how dated and ugly it looks to the >> modern eye. Even twm is better aesthetically but not rich enough >> for me. A minimal number of dependencies is an advantage. >> >> 2. Without a full-featured DE, how do you setup Xserver parameters? I've >> long forgotten how to configure multiple keyboard layouts, nice fonts, >> various hotkeys (layout switching etc). Is it still done via the global >> xorg.conf or is it possible on a per-user basis? > > All the above is possible with enlightenment. > Resource requirement is minimal and very configurable. > I would definitely suggest the awesome tiling window manager. It looks fantastic, is minimalist and works great. I actually use it in my FreeBSD vm. You can configure it by copying the rc.lua file under /usr/local/etc/xdg/ to ~/.config/awesome/rc.lua (after mkdir ~/.config/awesome). The only changes I usually need in ~/.config/awesome/rc.lua are : 1) switch editor from nano to vim 2) switch terminal from xterm to terminator. Of course, you would like to have terminator installed upfront : portsnap auto cd /usr/ports/x11/terminator make config-recurive make install clean Restart. Right clicking on the desktop will now get you terminator. 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Of course, you would like > to have terminator installed upfront : > > portsnap auto > cd /usr/ports/x11/terminator > make config-recurive > make install clean > > Restart. Right clicking on the desktop will now get you terminator. The only slight objection regarding terminator would be that it adds several Gnome-related and Gtk dependencies. If you buikld it from source, even more stuff will be compiled and installed (as build dependencies). So maybe using "pkg install terminator" will be a _little_ more convenient? ;-) Managing several terminal sessions in one terminal window, even if it's just ye olde xterm, can be accomplished with lightweight tools such as screen and tmux. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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So maybe > using "pkg install terminator" will be a_little_ more > convenient? ;-) Ah, I would have suggested that myself, Poly - if that were possible at all. Would I not ? terminator is not available as a package any more, or at least the last time I checked. If it yes, then of course, `pkg install terminator` is immensely preferable. Regards, Manish Jain From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Aug 16 09:37:02 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B577F3B6E87 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 09:37:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from weaver@riseup.net) Received: from mx1.riseup.net (mx1.riseup.net [198.252.153.129]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BTsWx2byJz475L for ; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 09:37:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from weaver@riseup.net) Received: from capuchin.riseup.net (capuchin-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.176]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BTsWv13RbzDsyW for ; 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RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; ARC_SIGNED(0.00)[i=1]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[riseup.net:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[riseup.net,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.86)[-0.860]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.01)[-1.006]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16652, ipnet:198.252.153.0/24, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[198.252.153.129:from] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 09:37:02 -0000 On 16-08-2020 19:34, Manish Jain wrote: > On 2020-08-16 13:42, Polytropon wrote: >> The only slight objection regarding terminator would be >> that it adds several Gnome-related and Gtk dependencies. >> If you buikld it from source, even more stuff will be >> compiled and installed (as build dependencies). So maybe >> using "pkg install terminator" will be a_little_ more >> convenient? ;-) > > Ah, I would have suggested that myself, Poly - if that were possible > at all. Would I not ? > > terminator is not available as a package any more, or at least the > last time I checked. If it yes, then of course, `pkg install > terminator` is immensely preferable. https://phab.enlightenment.org/w/installation_freebsd/ -- `Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful'. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion. Registered Linux User: 554515 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Aug 16 10:08:49 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C43483B7612 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 10:08:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dr.klepp@gmx.at) Received: from vie01a-dmta-at52-1.mx.upcmail.net (vie01a-dmta-at52-1.mx.upcmail.net [62.179.121.142]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BTtDc3h9Jz49WB for ; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 10:08:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dr.klepp@gmx.at) Received: from [172.31.216.41] (helo=vie01a-pemc-psmtp-at50) by vie01a-dmta-at52.mx.upcmail.net with esmtp (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1k7Fan-0008th-JO for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 12:08:45 +0200 Received: from x61.lan ([85.126.97.210]) by vie01a-pemc-psmtp-at50 with SMTP @ mailcloud.upcmail.net id GA8k2301B4YLlkt0BA8l8N; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 12:08:45 +0200 X-SourceIP: 85.126.97.210 X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.2 cv=O6RJhF1W c=1 sm=2 tr=0 cx=a_idp_f a=/Ac8Q0O/YFE5LOLfUiYZVw==:117 a=/Ac8Q0O/YFE5LOLfUiYZVw==:17 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=Lx8Bpjh-HcW9fOScTxcA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=IjZwj45LgO3ly-622nXo:22 From: "Dr. Nikolaus Klepp" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: A nice looking WM to replace a DE Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 12:08:45 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <20200816101212.9136413c.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: X-KMail-QuotePrefix: > MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <202008161208.45595.dr.klepp@gmx.at> ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1597572528; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=H/hxHKCf/aVnCPAE7IOrp1Ttxg+POYrqRJa4kt4H6Zs=; b=efpGp0kc7v31nNawMs1Hi1T4f20Dt+WTPNeb0pi6Ee+P+ZfXDb3VQCeb2+bmsaQSue1DTd FgmtA6fqeDjDH+TIZrJUbhlqczEt+bXplvhkl2KMU4eU5jsKP3Kh+vtcjs1BTVVbtch8QA sXDKc/ZcocyQ1JWVD4QrlS/MpEI7qYndBCwoCQZRgVd4cmIKu9xYp65XGlvLpM3BgkNv2q rHjnAOuSaEAvhuHXJ59kIqadfX2/w7jUSqoVmM2NQ2S/Ak8t9ROE1QlzGpnefHI7DHoc0C i09BmcTN/6IUgYTQdidCWjtXTbr71UZAeRk8KVtbfnsDE9Cnm8dk0d5FlcAhdA== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1597572528; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=SFKXOBdIuyx0p06jnOKZ1CafhJZx55vkVlsT1Rs66OQseP2ELCrKv1SZdsi8jqJWT2Y2KM Qya9z68nYxv5uehzn3RU5CCoJWp5cMGuSMyviA6ywfyjul4NhdMLxlFHZisLpg+kkjuoDL OKlB3rSP/ci8tYew6esH1ZDXWhn1qALaqNIETNGqDfHCXXJ6l/j9MCkeOYZMqqiVuJ9FuA wUOkvznK0Y/X0ru7UQhI6jLAh2WN5RMN/M0pyfv2kVKSS+W/ZyFKxGmEo2BfJc97r0K3RZ 4z6YyjzpbdLM6Z8U5yU7BcNwnYa+ARLZN839drVLYgxqd+jP1tM6HDCVc55fMQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; spf=fail (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dr.klepp@gmx.at does not designate 62.179.121.142 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=dr.klepp@gmx.at X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BTtDc3h9Jz49WB X-Spamd-Bar: ++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=fail (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dr.klepp@gmx.at does not designate 62.179.121.142 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=dr.klepp@gmx.at X-Spamd-Result: default: False [4.57 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_SPF_FAIL(1.00)[-all]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmx.at]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; ARC_SIGNED(0.00)[i=1]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.86)[0.857]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[gmx.at]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.07)[-0.066]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.97)[0.975]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; FROM_NAME_HAS_TITLE(1.00)[dr]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6830, ipnet:62.179.0.0/17, country:AT]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmx.at]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[62.179.121.142:from] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 10:08:49 -0000 Anno domini 2020 Sun, 16 Aug 15:04:10 +0530 Manish Jain scripsit: > > On 2020-08-16 13:42, Polytropon wrote: > > The only slight objection regarding terminator would be > > that it adds several Gnome-related and Gtk dependencies. > > If you buikld it from source, even more stuff will be > > compiled and installed (as build dependencies). So maybe > > using "pkg install terminator" will be a_little_ more > > convenient? ;-) > > Ah, I would have suggested that myself, Poly - if that were possible at > all. Would I not ? > > terminator is not available as a package any more, or at least the last > time I checked. If it yes, then of course, `pkg install terminator` is > immensely preferable. The last version that worked OK for me was 0.97. The newer GTK3 version does interesting stuff with focus and desktop switching. Nik > > > Regards, > > Manish Jain > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing with the NSA, CIA ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Aug 16 11:03:58 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8B903B818A for ; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 11:03:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from list1@gjunka.com) Received: from msa1.earth.yoonka.com (yoonka.com [88.98.225.149]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "msa1.earth.yoonka.com", Issuer "msa1.earth.yoonka.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BTvSF2rqnz4D5N for ; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 11:03:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from list1@gjunka.com) Received: from venus.yoonka.com (venus.yoonka.com [10.70.7.24]) (authenticated bits=0) by msa1.earth.yoonka.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id 07GB3sxX083292 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Sun, 16 Aug 2020 11:03:54 GMT (envelope-from list1@gjunka.com) Subject: Re: Verify user password To: Arthur Chance , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <0567033d-fa75-06b2-5629-448fdc507242@qeng-ho.org> From: Grzegorz Junka Message-ID: <091dca7e-28ab-eab0-7265-d0439a732d86@gjunka.com> Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 11:03:54 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <0567033d-fa75-06b2-5629-448fdc507242@qeng-ho.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1597575837; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=wNRg2gvwzJXZgZi4bq6UpNSME5vXBQQ2FHjcS2ynj4A=; b=tV+uuI8a7+LQnjLrg0+xQh6LEcP9OV9yRmvbPRgC/NLCXSWnGnXJ8+ZrNFNzdIPnX49vZa iH04/gEqQuCyB0bbXzNaNRe/oiT0wq2BsbNlOUzRYmczE+GU5iG88uLu/nJ6tgPbBxg/Gm VuXO5Lc2P6aBLXeAscQNuopIyeaLUZWE3LgF+9iFU8DnIJGCX24O1BJFKZpt/GQxOQcnKy 3ZDWyuwwiC8SPLyWPO5fIPzddr99+2RyB+Ge6vNcjW/LDJzgXRoZFoG6DcYcRgrzQFgfRV mN8HrSYxyum4wGAMYcBV8Uw+f9pV7B387TcEIRtTiHEAK61qz+e5BjxglXGLcg== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1597575837; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=Yq3jyS4GvJxo2vUOmiI4sqLhO900PVC5z9DU9FSFJjddKgA2wQvNGxLysGtXGHJBAzMPbx ly3M8aTIfyIg6ur2EHIO341gsSA3tvD/aauNx6EZjiEBvOrdbbCygyRyidNwHy1Y7qNNBY lsfkO8CyiK8JPQp0DT7nNDaUta5SSPauTSBc2j2kczr9ELGwS4JFvDsCAgmSGkO/L29/j2 Ayw0O+gBCV1cPmAkM29R7I6hW3W+ABp8X0eT7TYWATEpY29ULxfqsMYGM3FnGvx16xbg5k pGlk6QE4LdOCttW3b5v3sJuvE/XgDrtkDhlqn5BSoMI2eRxi86ZwFolYCXqv+w== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of list1@gjunka.com designates 88.98.225.149 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=list1@gjunka.com X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BTvSF2rqnz4D5N X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of list1@gjunka.com designates 88.98.225.149 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=list1@gjunka.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.71 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:88.98.225.149]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.996]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; ARC_SIGNED(0.00)[i=1]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[gjunka.com]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.48)[-0.482]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.93)[-0.927]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:56478, ipnet:88.98.192.0/18, country:GB]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 11:03:58 -0000 On 15/08/2020 13:31, Arthur Chance wrote: > On 15/08/2020 13:39, Grzegorz Junka wrote: >> How can I verify if a given password matches the password stored in >> master.passwd database for a user account that is set up with >> /nonexistent and /usr/sbin/nologin (so a user that can't normally login >> to the system but still can have a password stored in the database)? > nologin doesn't stop you logging in, it merely says the account isn't > available and boots you out afterwards, so you should be able to check > the password by trying to log in. I don't think the non-existent home > directory affects that, OK, how can I login with that user then? "su" that user returns "This account is currently not available". "login" that user says "Not a login shell.". The user is configured inside a jail and there is no sshd running. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Aug 16 11:13:45 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44C133B8687 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 11:13:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from list1@gjunka.com) Received: from msa1.earth.yoonka.com (yoonka.com [88.98.225.149]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "msa1.earth.yoonka.com", Issuer "msa1.earth.yoonka.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BTvgX27jCz4DcT for ; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 11:13:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from list1@gjunka.com) Received: from venus.yoonka.com (venus.yoonka.com [10.70.7.24]) (authenticated bits=0) by msa1.earth.yoonka.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id 07GBDgPJ083443 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Sun, 16 Aug 2020 11:13:42 GMT (envelope-from list1@gjunka.com) Subject: Re: Verify user password To: Polytropon Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20200815204911.7007deca.freebsd@edvax.de> From: Grzegorz Junka Message-ID: <6d41a8e6-40a0-26d5-b7b9-b8adabd904d4@gjunka.com> Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 11:13:42 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20200815204911.7007deca.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1597576424; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=7yWaeaxfmHr62ChClN3SycbJs0tmT0pCbTvb5Z6RS48=; b=L7U9nihms6S6t3qesLSN6I1dYlO60IPWPZhNPZDUcuzkRIm5haMRAIWSXU93rSuHQHh93I 4/XrkVCn91W4rNxtpVRF29FuI6CsATpCZUnb8krE0VPD9pVCiV99cINWs4TVEbvd/3hAf8 bKA8uG5WENB3E3mvEA7m6bL8WEpjBXZRv/nUUB7gUwjQ24b2gQMPXiZkPl0JpXHfgqFBMd peehXaVfEkG4WVyhFJD0Q/uL88ohycFpJzJzUsOpiUW+gaFDL+umwKNmM6DFItyGmbe/iq 235rzRI//zRVlASdWTYz1ThdZ6CDNqjRBxmizfvu9nrFMDqqzUd9/+PZ5FQhQw== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1597576424; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=QzxeamnSZNkh+eyi+z8aVT6Jylw94mJrEE8+PmFq8qVH9s5Re+8OaExjLzuigVhFNcoli9 HgKTI3OqC2nnAfZdLYWHGN8QvOo5zGsJEEgMKu82rsZhT1j4xZJOH+k7zYrdZQcAy97y/M yxMCGYzMNpsNRRRJxTQ5PARn9UPko3HuoZq0D6nqr/OVmn3uhSrYED3Nrp12EE/QDOefKf isChTujAyYr5M2kC7nEVqoxSdJvGcVunLu18XI1gpenmGHOgezcJiBRUjrc3bMKp3U0LcS KRKH3sxN3xJuiFL0wiiAkpJZsJ+Z2Fn5zizGGTHTYl3ltvyjswy9i4oekd+i7w== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of list1@gjunka.com designates 88.98.225.149 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=list1@gjunka.com X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BTvgX27jCz4DcT X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of list1@gjunka.com designates 88.98.225.149 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=list1@gjunka.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.70 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:88.98.225.149]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.996]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[gjunka.com]; ARC_SIGNED(0.00)[i=1]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.48)[-0.480]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.93)[-0.926]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:56478, ipnet:88.98.192.0/18, country:GB]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 11:13:45 -0000 On 15/08/2020 18:49, Polytropon wrote: > On Sat, 15 Aug 2020 12:39:06 +0000, Grzegorz Junka wrote: >> How can I verify if a given password matches the password stored in >> master.passwd database for a user account that is set up with >> /nonexistent and /usr/sbin/nologin (so a user that can't normally login >> to the system but still can have a password stored in the database)? > First of all, /nonexistent and /usr/sbin/nologin have different > purposes: if after a successful login the user's interactive shell > is to be executed, /nonexistent leads to a "cannot find that program > to execute, exiting right now" situation, while /usr/sbin/nologin > can actually be executed and then displays an error message and > exits, terminating the session. > > See "man 1 login" and "man 1 nologin" for details. > > Regarding password verification: > > If you have read access to /etc/master.passwd and the clear text > password of a user, you can use the crypt() function to generate > the encrypted password, and then compare that. I think that is > what you try to do, correct? > > provided: plain-text password P from somewhere > encrypted password E from /etc/master.passwd > > intended: is crypt(P) == E? > > approach: P' = crypt(P) > test if P' == S > > This is of course very simplified. :-) > > See "man 5 passwd" and especially "man 3 crypt" for details. > Yes, the intention is that the user only has an entry in the master.passwd file (so that sendmail service can verify the password against an entry there). It should not be possible for the user to login (meaning, they should not be able to open an interactive session as that user). I did found some manuals that explain how to generate the password, especially when using different hashing than the default one and store such password in the master.passwd. That could work, I just hoped that there is a command line utility that is able to verify the password in the same way the system or any service would do without the trickery of fetching the password from master.passwd, verifying the encryption scheme, encrypting the password with the same scheme, then finally testing if they are the same. 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RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[riseup.net:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[riseup.net,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.51)[-1.512]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16652, ipnet:198.252.153.0/24, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[198.252.153.129:from] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 12:48:58 -0000 Hi, I strongly recommend against Enlightenment, since it suffers from all the pi= tfalls all desktop environments suffer from and it=E2=80=99s not maintained b= y such a huge group of maintainers, as other desktop environments are. Btw. s= ince you like to get a modern look, you unlikely like the decades old clumsy= themes available for Enlightenment. If you want to avoid tiling window managers, but want to get something reall= y small, take a look at JWM, it comes close to Openbox and at least on Linux= it is as rock-solid as Openbox is. However, when I migrated away from Xfce years ago on Linux, I tested a lot o= f alternatives and ended with JWM and Openbox. After a while openbox became t= he only WM for me. You could =E2=80=9Cdd=E2=80=9D NomadBSD to an USB stick, to test the look an= d feel of openbox running on FreeBSD, https://nomadbsd.org/screenshots/nomad= bsd-1.3-ss1.png . It=E2=80=99s a live FreeBSD, that by default does use open= box. Unfortunately https://nomadbsd.org/ downloads can=E2=80=99t be checked again= st a signed checksum, but this shouldn=E2=80=99t matter for testing openbox o= n FreeBSD, if you anyway will install a window manager on you machine. Depending on the panel/s etc. you chose, you get the menu and features you w= ant to get for Xfce, without gvfs and other Gnome pitfalls. Regards, Ralf= From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Aug 16 13:09:04 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0EA13BB5EA for ; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 13:09:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from bede.qeng-ho.org (bede.qeng-ho.org [217.155.128.241]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BTyDb2y0Gz4Lg0 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 13:09:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from arthur.home.qeng-ho.org (arthur.home.qeng-ho.org [172.23.1.2]) by bede.qeng-ho.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01B301063C; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 14:09:01 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: Verify user password To: Grzegorz Junka , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <0567033d-fa75-06b2-5629-448fdc507242@qeng-ho.org> <091dca7e-28ab-eab0-7265-d0439a732d86@gjunka.com> From: Arthur Chance Message-ID: Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 14:09:01 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.11.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <091dca7e-28ab-eab0-7265-d0439a732d86@gjunka.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1597583344; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=Xe+RHhxyUFfaSxt8k0IhnAyhI1hQeBEvhq2xnyFb1p8=; b=fZqHBlmNuDmaIQa3Yp13sgPNidXTy3FqXA96DWeyxwRRtjEAeJgYyIAd54TWirS4ZfPp8A xa+HoOp4abgT8eK4nE5lz0GuKPHjHTUYIPlLW6ublh0pZX+KoO1GhFvukzAToSKY5+3a7S D+NmhGRKnPDgrS7Al6R/6wE9/9LTZq/67Jxno1cSxV4f/xFYJW8kFr7e3wTXLJIKZSJ3Ye yZHcKW8suw7BsvIm8KgYzYNl7tWQ7NoJV9R5jWxz9qX9HQdJyQPhAuucPN/UmzsQr4UkNL R5WfLvlOBzK6qiTmReTlvaPbAM5a2AOfqJngF9ffdtTJNkMQUi7mpOEPJi6yDw== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1597583344; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=aPezm/fr11Mb475+Xue/1rLs2wbwKzQftEx7kqjoh5dijmm6QQus7NEz7o4I/O/oMawJmP /gjNs59WuhJ4MNFn7doriQq9BWnKEr+50Y8frjifQPZwDukCpB0i1XYoeEHIXb1ZTgkaLi d5i/09vyotSRjngQ57epBDPFzORoLs1stY134R3JAWOPRLD+rpH5TjP9SFRjIDgUT4L2sq hYmENm2Z7uzZYTCdolLpRrCNCnqbflFBkv/o9e/MciXDalslciAQtJjt8xaLaVqNIxzk/H qYOT2HjA1t8S2ciM4p+OUyJ254ImnvCPWITEFIq53YBqcie39LOg6msn9Rk9Eg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@qeng-ho.org designates 217.155.128.241 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@qeng-ho.org X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BTyDb2y0Gz4Lg0 X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@qeng-ho.org designates 217.155.128.241 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@qeng-ho.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.39 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.05)[-1.046]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:217.155.128.240/29]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.99)[-0.991]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; ARC_SIGNED(0.00)[i=1]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[qeng-ho.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.06)[-1.057]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:13037, ipnet:217.155.0.0/16, country:GB]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 13:09:04 -0000 On 16/08/2020 12:03, Grzegorz Junka wrote: > > On 15/08/2020 13:31, Arthur Chance wrote: >> On 15/08/2020 13:39, Grzegorz Junka wrote: >>> How can I verify if a given password matches the password stored in >>> master.passwd database for a user account that is set up with >>> /nonexistent and /usr/sbin/nologin (so a user that can't normally login >>> to the system but still can have a password stored in the database)? >> nologin doesn't stop you logging in, it merely says the account isn't >> available and boots you out afterwards, so you should be able to check >> the password by trying to log in. I don't think the non-existent home >> directory affects that, > > > OK, how can I login with that user then? "su" that user returns "This > account is currently not available". "login" that user says "Not a login > shell.". The user is configured inside a jail and there is no sshd running. Try using /usr/bin/login, not just "login" which is a shell builtin. -- The number of people predicting the demise of Moore's Law doubles every 18 months. 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NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.02)[-1.023]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2c:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.72)[-0.715]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 14:54:18 -0000 I am looking for specific advice on the best migration path to move up to 4k video. I have no problem with getting a new monitor and a new nVidia-based graphics card. I currently have an Acer E24Y monitor (24" max. resolution 1920x1080) connected to a nVidia GT510 (max. resolution 1920x1080) via HDMI running on a FreeBSD 12.1-pl8 machine. The host hardware is a Ryzen 5 2600X running on a MSI B450 Tomahawk (MS-7C02) with 24 GB of DDR-2667 RAM and a 1 TB SSD. I am also using FreeBSD 12.1-pl8 with x11/xorg-1.20.8_3,1 and x11/nvidia-driver-390-390.138, x11-wm/xfce4-4.14.5 installed. Everything works perfectly with the above hardware and OS/desktop config. Everything is the most recent updates available as of an hour or two ago. Since I have had bad experiences in the past of *SOME* people (most don't do this) giving advice, on this list, that is worse than useless, please note that I will ignore any answer that involves any of the following (any other suggestion is more than welcome): * Switching OS's (Linux will earn you negative points) or OS major versions * Using something different from nVidia (which works just *FINE* despite many false claims to the contrary). The reason is I have used nothing but nVidia on FreeBSD from 2001 on and I have heard far too many horror stories on this list (and elsewhere) about graphics/drm-kmod (especially when coupled with wayland). * Switching desktop environments. (Every other one is far too heavy weight and has too many dependencies on underlying libraries that have Linuxisms that are not transparently compatible with FreeBSD's kernel as it currently is. On the other hand, using a raw WM and building my own DIY desktop environment is more work than I care to do.) * Buying any additional hardware *BEYOND* a new nVidia-based card and a new monitor (and any needed associated cables... note though I have a HDMI switch for four machines and thus prefer not to add to the total count of cables in the setup, although I will if I absolutely must) -- Aryeh M. 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Lots of changes, new stuff, and hard development, very responsive developers, It is also aims to provide compositor for Wayland so probably that would be the first fully featured WM for Wayland :-) -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Aug 16 15:22:47 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7BE33BF66D for ; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 15:22:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from nightmare.dreamchaser.org (ns.dreamchaser.org [66.109.141.57]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "dreamchaser.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BV1Bs6Zq2z4V1H for ; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 15:22:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from breakaway.dreamchaser.org (breakaway [192.168.151.122]) by nightmare.dreamchaser.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 07GFMchN025041 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 09:22:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) To: FreeBSD Mailing List Reply-To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org From: Gary Aitken Subject: firefox 79 issue w/ spdy in about:config Message-ID: <0516887b-6ea5-f6d6-cf02-639a925ed61d@dreamchaser.org> Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 09:21:06 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.11.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.2 (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [192.168.151.101]); Sun, 16 Aug 2020 09:22:38 -0600 (MDT) ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1597591367; h=from:from:reply-to:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Gmo8pjpweYb92YXi6s9QTvKWtKYAe9mX02xn3eieDm8=; b=SPKUWa3eHlOZc46yOKXBaxfqTCd+YxIAVOU5t+1UDDeME4rqhv+PpknhZgwJ8ub9DSi/ha dU0LOyoE+EL3BTPAckQaMzbcYh8amJYDtv62aBlglc8qqP6rv6xSh8XAUl7UbVsU7X/MQJ tUbuP2lZZOclREoXDpVm24ZjIHuXaaJNDuonEkDXWZntprvr0nL/rPvyqGyrwYfB53vfzF sXTZB3+1RbtCFVG8JQUn9za77T2WFNzpWa2BsFTWvlKRj0KeWo7HdpcDJFMntykolschF6 nOFmY4xyvGQgvtFlLU9ddvBg6MkcUX6MbG1rHUcAQkxHVg3KLOw3MT0PIoZy2A== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1597591367; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=oL6I187qi6PDVp/B9UwwbkgOmBrnfK5uyZLPvzzd4bRr0JFcPH86sTj18tJRuKwUHYyY4R Vxv6B2yX50ujvF2ODEfy5gVjylqlGLOB/Ahi6SPcGM07yz1o5rNsPQyuzBLX1swTPDmoKB DtWKUvhhbg+G4X0/0MeSchzfJ4yQZMud291kTETrONm717D27+l/hDRJqWQcbMcdk3z/TV vjuoHDBN/heIj7l8rQvXlcscSA88HD2JP7zCk4Lj1hSP7SWSu6sFmrSBvcULn9Xrrqff6U 2WvvcIc+x6Ac5pf+jpo3MH03SI1OFuQmCoqfVs9V2SDIaU7wdbwOEyzx0Ta2vA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@dreamchaser.org designates 66.109.141.57 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@dreamchaser.org X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BV1Bs6Zq2z4V1H X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@dreamchaser.org designates 66.109.141.57 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@dreamchaser.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.34 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@dreamchaser.org]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.04)[-1.035]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.95)[-0.953]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.05)[-1.049]; ARC_SIGNED(0.00)[i=1]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[dreamchaser.org]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:21947, ipnet:66.109.128.0/19, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 15:22:47 -0000 search (using chrome and duckduckgo) didn't come up with anything recent so I'm a bit puzzled... I recently had to pkg remove mysql 5.7 to dump and then install 5.7 back; the result was a bunch of upgrades, including firefox from version 77 to 79. When firefox was restarted, almost no sites worked, including duckduckgo. The recommended solution, from back in 2016, was to set network.http.spdy.enabled.http2=false That solved the issue, but I'd like to understand what's going on. Since ff was working prior to this upgrade, and I don't *think* I set the above config option to true... and since true is the default... can anyone tell me what's going on? Mostly clueless, thanks, Gary From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Aug 16 16:06:26 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5DAA3C033C for ; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 16:06:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from web@3dresearch.com) Received: from smtpg.telissant.net (smtpg.telissant.net [104.225.1.73]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BV29F42kXz4WfX for ; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 16:06:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from web@3dresearch.com) Received: from sacada.3dresearch.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtpg.telissant.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BV29716Q9z1lvRN for ; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 12:06:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at telissant.net Received: from smtpg.telissant.net ([127.0.0.1]) by sacada.3dresearch.com (sacada.3dresearch.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id H0dzY6oCTXM7 for ; 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R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36236, ipnet:104.225.1.0/24, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[71.112.245.31:received] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 16:06:26 -0000 On Sun, 16 Aug 2020 09:47:39 +0700 Victor Sudakov wrote: > Dear Colleagues, > > I'm looking for a superdaemon to start, monitor and restart (e.g. in > case of crash) other daemons like squid, syncthing and others. > > At first I wanted to place them into /etc/ttys but then I realized > that I need something more flexible like Linux' systemd or Solaris' > SMF. > > What would you recommend for FreeBSD not as a total rc(8) replacement > but as a tool to manage some daemons? Have you looked at sysutils/monit? Probably no rc(8) replacement but has many flexible options especially if you need to monitor misbehaving daemons. 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It was written by Dan Bernstein so it >> is in his quirky style but it works great. >> >> http://cr.yp.to/daemontools.html > Can it observe dependencies and a predictable start/stop order? > A commercial tool that does this and more is Scout APM. It's very powerful, completely configurable, and easy to use. 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RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; ARC_SIGNED(0.00)[i=1]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[riseup.net:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[riseup.net,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.01)[-1.008]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.004]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16652, ipnet:198.252.153.0/24, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[198.252.153.129:from] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 20:07:48 -0000 On 16-08-2020 22:48, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Hi, > > I strongly recommend against Enlightenment, since it suffers from all > the pitfalls all desktop environments suffer from and it’s not > maintained by such a huge group of maintainers, as other desktop > environments are. I could name any number of projects from single or just one or two developers that have quality and stability that much larger projects don't Ralf. Btw. since you like to get a modern look, you > unlikely like the decades old clumsy themes available for > Enlightenment. And that is _really_ stretching it. I can recall themes and formats of Enlightenment that were too avant garde for me to be bothered with from just a few years ago. Enlightenment now, is nothing like that. I have an enlightenment desktop that has hidden panels that stay away until I need them, and a desktop nobody would be able to put a name to, with all the working real estate I need and any number of virtual windows required. And all for a minimal footprint. I know what the OP is talking about, because I've run XFce, and didn't see the point when all I was getting was all the Gnome kludge I was trying to get away from: that didn't last long at all. https://imgur.com/Qzt1u8R > If you want to avoid tiling window managers, but want to get something > really small, take a look at JWM, it comes close to Openbox and at > least on Linux it is as rock-solid as Openbox is. > > However, when I migrated away from Xfce years ago on Linux, I tested a > lot of alternatives and ended with JWM and Openbox. After a while > openbox became the only WM for me. > > You could “dd†NomadBSD to an USB stick, to test the look and feel of > openbox running on FreeBSD, > https://nomadbsd.org/screenshots/nomadbsd-1.3-ss1.png . It’s a live > FreeBSD, that by default does use openbox. > > Unfortunately https://nomadbsd.org/ downloads can’t be checked against > a signed checksum, but this shouldn’t matter for testing openbox on > FreeBSD, if you anyway will install a window manager on you machine. > > Depending on the panel/s etc. you chose, you get the menu and features > you want to get for Xfce, without gvfs and other Gnome pitfalls. > > Regards, > Ralf > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- `Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful'. — Lucius Annæus Seneca. Terrorism, the new religion. 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Does that apply to a home NAT? I thought that setup still required a = non-NAT/public facing machine to act as the host. --=20 I take my advice from the advertising world, "Treat me nice," says the party girl. 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MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; ARC_SIGNED(0.00)[i=1]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[gjunka.com]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.53)[-0.526]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.04)[-1.035]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:56478, ipnet:88.98.192.0/18, country:GB]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 20:48:32 -0000 On 16/08/2020 13:09, Arthur Chance wrote: > On 16/08/2020 12:03, Grzegorz Junka wrote: >> On 15/08/2020 13:31, Arthur Chance wrote: >>> On 15/08/2020 13:39, Grzegorz Junka wrote: >>>> How can I verify if a given password matches the password stored in >>>> master.passwd database for a user account that is set up with >>>> /nonexistent and /usr/sbin/nologin (so a user that can't normally login >>>> to the system but still can have a password stored in the database)? >>> nologin doesn't stop you logging in, it merely says the account isn't >>> available and boots you out afterwards, so you should be able to check >>> the password by trying to log in. I don't think the non-existent home >>> directory affects that, >> >> OK, how can I login with that user then? "su" that user returns "This >> account is currently not available". "login" that user says "Not a login >> shell.". The user is configured inside a jail and there is no sshd running. > Try using /usr/bin/login, not just "login" which is a shell builtin. OK, thank worked! 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We are using it ourselves and advice our hosting custormers to use it. So far it has worked out nicely. It does not have as much features as systemd, but for managing services it can be sufficient. Cheers Lars Am 16.08.20 um 18:06 schrieb Janos Dohanics: > On Sun, 16 Aug 2020 09:47:39 +0700 > Victor Sudakov wrote: > >> Dear Colleagues, >> >> I'm looking for a superdaemon to start, monitor and restart (e.g. in >> case of crash) other daemons like squid, syncthing and others.=20 >> >> At first I wanted to place them into /etc/ttys but then I realized >> that I need something more flexible like Linux' systemd or Solaris' >> SMF. >> >> What would you recommend for FreeBSD not as a total rc(8) replacement >> but as a tool to manage some daemons? > Have you looked at sysutils/monit? > > Probably no rc(8) replacement but has many flexible options especially > if you need to monitor misbehaving daemons. > > I use it to watch/restart amavisd which on one of my servers fails > sometimes to start after log rotation. > --=20 --- punkt.de GmbH Lars Liedtke =2Einfrastructure Kaiserallee 13a=09 76133 Karlsruhe Tel. +49 721 9109 500 https://infrastructure.punkt.de info@punkt.de AG Mannheim 108285 Gesch=C3=A4ftsf=C3=BChrer: J=C3=BCrgen Egeling, Daniel Lienert, Fabian St= ein --yqxFe3KO7JMHP463tvPJ1wbohyeVwBFy7-- --hPxnpuqlAwJqoZyb0rrlbNc4LKwqRVQgl Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; 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Get them to give you an additional ipv6 subnet and run ssh on port 80 or= whatever only on that. You only need 1 bastion goat to get through usin= g ssh ProxyCommand. Or if that=E2=80=99s not possible run haproxy or similar in front of wha= tever http(s) traffic is allowed, and use tcp detection to redirect actu= al ssh traffic to ssh while letting the rest through. https://coolaj86.com/articles/adventures-in-haproxy-tcp-tls-https-ssh-op= envpn/ https://blog.chmd.fr/ssh-over-ssl-episode-4-a-haproxy-based-configuratio= n.html https://github.com/yrutschle/sslh I=E2=80=99m all until next week but if you want a hand figuring this out= remind me offline on Monday. If they allow udp traffic then consider sticking ZeroTier or wireguard i= n and using that. Both are free and don=E2=80=99t need =E2=80=98dangerou= s tcp=E2=80=99... I prefer using haproxy as we use it everywhere but the basic idea (port = share, detect traffic type, proxy tcp) has multiple solutions. > So how do we/the client tell the hosting company they are full of sh*t= (the > client has a 3 year contract with a pay in full to break clause with t= hem > which would be over $100k to break) This is what account managers are good for.=20 Get your customer=E2=80=99s account manager to talk with their account m= anager and explain that you=E2=80=99ll pull the plug and lawyer up, if = std unix ssh isn=E2=80=99t allowed and point out that google and aws sup= port it. They always cave. Make sure your acct manager is prepped on the= tech first. how did anybody manage to set these boxes up? It must have been painful.= Dave From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Aug 17 09:20:32 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58BE63ACDAA for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2020 09:20:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kuku@kukulies.org) Received: from mail.kukulies.org (mail.kukulies.org [116.203.115.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BVT6R2d1Pz4Rb7 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2020 09:20:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kuku@kukulies.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.kukulies.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52A3610276A; Mon, 17 Aug 2020 11:20:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.kukulies.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.kukulies.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id V3S72RIE9tBJ; Mon, 17 Aug 2020 11:20:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from christophs-macbook-pro.fritz.box (p57b45204.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [87.180.82.4]) by mail.kukulies.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A105B102769; 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DMARC_NA(0.00)[kukulies.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.13)[0.130]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.29)[0.288]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record] X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2020 09:20:32 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_5035597A-6DE0-4CE8-82C3-D66437FC9946 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > Am 14.08.2020 um 22:46 schrieb Polytropon : >=20 > On Fri, 14 Aug 2020 22:38:05 +0200, Christoph Kukulies wrote: >> neither less or cat works. I cannot totally exclude that the media = don=E2=80=99t fit. >> The ones in questions here are CP/M 68k format. They are DD-DT. >=20 > In this case, using fdcontrol to change the drive's settings > is probably the correct way to go. Use the command >=20 > % fdcontrol -F -v /dev/fd0 >=20 > to see what drive and disk can tell about themselves. If that > is not correct, use fdcontrol's -s option to change the drive's > view. >=20 It looks like whatever medium I insert, I=E2=80=99m always getting: # fdcontrol -F -v /dev/fd0 /dev/fd0: 1200 KB media type Format: 15,512,0xff,0x1b,80,500,2,0x54,1,0,+mfm,+auto Sector size: 512 Sectors/track: 15 Heads/cylinder: 2 Cylinders/disk: 80 Transfer rate: 500 kbps Sector gap: 27 Format gap: 84 Interleave: 1 Side offset: 0 Flags #=20 Inserting a medium which I marked DD-DT (double density double track) at = the time I wrote it, gives: # fdread -d /dev/fd0 -o fd_dump Reading 80 * 2 * 15 * 512 medium at /dev/fd0 >=20 >=20 >> OTOH, dd normally used to work on this kind of devices, didn=E2=80=99t = it? >=20 > If the (hardware) formatting deviates too much from what the > drive's settings expect, it will only result in read errors. > This where something within the chain "OS - controller - drive - > medium" does not match the expectations. This is where fdcontrol > can be used to change those expectations. :-) BTW, looks like Ubuntu Linux adopted the FreeBSD floppy interface, did = they? --Apple-Mail=_5035597A-6DE0-4CE8-82C3-D66437FC9946 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=smime.p7s Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name=smime.p7s Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExDzANBglghkgBZQMEAgEFADCABgkqhkiG9w0BBwEAAKCCCc0w ggSQMIIDeKADAgECAggYVYMhomAL1zANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQsFADBmMQswCQYDVQQGEwJERTEzMDEG A1UECgwqREdOIERldXRzY2hlcyBHZXN1bmRoZWl0c25ldHogU2VydmljZSBHbWJIMSIwIAYDVQQD DBlkZ25zZXJ2aWNlIENBIDIgVHlwZSBFOlBOMB4XDTIwMDUxNjE1Mjc1OVoXDTIxMDUxNjE1Mjc1 OVowbzELMAkGA1UEBhMCREUxITAfBgNVBAUTGDQwMDAwMDAwNWVjMDA4ZGQzNzNhZDhlYzEbMBkG A1UEAwwSQ2hyaXN0b3BoIEt1a3VsaWVzMSAwHgYJKoZIhvcNAQkBFhFrdWt1QGt1a3VsaWVzLm9y ZzCCASIwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEBBQADggEPADCCAQoCggEBAKug1655hQWRmOtGAShZLbMwDtrm7rAH 7p1oPtE/5KpTpJZe8LHPxxvW0EAd2JcLtEhdvAi7smhZ/giJ3IBK7OYmdaCvuQ6MFvJpkmLkQ9TO 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X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2020 09:37:25 -0000 On Mon, Aug 17, 2020 at 4:51 AM Dave Cottlehuber wrote: > Get your customer=E2=80=99s account manager to talk with their account ma= nager and > explain that you=E2=80=99ll pull the plug and lawyer up, if std unix ssh= isn=E2=80=99t > allowed and point out that google and aws support it. They always cave. > Make sure your acct manager is prepped on the tech first. > > how did anybody manage to set these boxes up? It must have been painful. > Read the entire thread to see why your idea likely will not work... I will just start with there is no IPv6 allowed by the provider (not configured on their firewall and they refuse to)... continuing onto the hosting company is *WORSE* than useless in the technical arena (especially the account rep we have)... The set up we described it what they are *ATTEMPTING* to force us to move to from something that currently works near the standard way and thus setting up and maintain currently is not an issue (it will be if they insist on forcing us to move)... they really don't care about the legal ramifications and threatened potential counter suits if we insist on the current setup.... they also have said they consider any 3rd party proxy/firewall to be a violation of the contract (end of story). You will also see from our config Google/AWS/any other name brand provider/etc. would be incapable of the level of customization needed without a price tag many times larger than the cost of breaking the contract. --=20 Aryeh M. 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Rather than use ipfw or pf, I am hoping to offload some of the packet filtering to the features on the card. Does it save CPU processing power in the end ? Is there a sweet spot to using it, or am I better off using ipfw ? I am looking at dropping traffic in the 2-5Gb/s range filtering out bogons and other bad packets. Would appreciate any examples / caveats / tip on how to use it as the docs are kind of sparse. 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Before getting into configuration settings I need to be sure that I have the correct drivers installed. What version of the nvidia-driver pkg is required for this card? 440,390.340, or 304? Which drm module pkg is required: drm-fbsd12.0-kmod, drm-legacy-kmod, or drm-kmod? -- *** e-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** Do NOT transmit sensitive data via e-Mail Unencrypted messages have no legal claim to privacy Do NOT open attachments nor follow links sent by e-Mail James B. 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Byrne via freebsd-questions < freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> wrote: > The Nvidia card reports itself as a GTK-730 which, according to Wikipedia, > appares to be a 2006 vintage card. Before getting into configuration > settings > I need to be sure that I have the correct drivers installed. > There is no such thing as a gtk-730 so I will assume you mean a gt730 (no "k"). What version of the nvidia-driver pkg is required for this card? > 440,390.340, > or 304? > Likely 390 (440 has dropped support for some cards in the 500-700 model range I am not sure what 304 supports but I am sure 390 does support since my 710 works fine with it). > > Which drm module pkg is required: drm-fbsd12.0-kmod, drm-legacy-kmod, or > drm-kmod? > *DO NOT* mix drm and nvidia-driver... no drm version supports nvidia directly with all capabilities.. so do not install any of them. -- Aryeh M. 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R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f3e0::/32]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; HFILTER_HELO_IP_A(1.00)[pyroxene2a.sentex.ca]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.92)[-0.917]; HFILTER_HELO_NORES_A_OR_MX(0.30)[pyroxene2a.sentex.ca]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.58)[-0.578]; ARC_SIGNED(0.00)[i=1]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sentex.net]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:11647, ipnet:2607:f3e0::/32, country:CA]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2020 15:09:51 -0000 Actually, found this very cool reference which is exactly what I am looking for https://bsdrp.net/documentation/examples/dropping_packets_at_high_rate     ---Mike On 8/17/2020 9:13 AM, mike tancsa wrote: > Has anyone used the packet filtering features of the T520 and T540 cards > on FreeBSD ? Rather than use ipfw or pf, I am hoping to offload some of > the packet filtering to the features on the card. Does it save CPU > processing power in the end ? Is there a sweet spot to using it, or am I > better off using ipfw ? I am looking at dropping traffic in the 2-5Gb/s > range filtering out bogons and other bad packets. > > Would appreciate any examples / caveats / tip on how to use it as the > docs are kind of sparse. Using it on RELENG_12 > >     ---Mike > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Aug 17 18:14:17 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78CF13B8A9E for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2020 18:14:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from mx32.harte-lyne.ca (mx32.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.32]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mx32.harte-lyne.ca", Issuer "CA_HLL_ISSUER_2016" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BVhyJ5mRfz42wx for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2020 18:14:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from mx32.harte-lyne.ca (localhost [127.0.32.1]) by mx32.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC987202DD for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2020 14:14:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at harte-lyne.ca Received: from mx32.harte-lyne.ca ([127.0.32.1]) by mx32.harte-lyne.ca (mx32.harte-lyne.ca [127.0.32.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Pd8QL6uLmh1c for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2020 14:14:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from webmail.harte-lyne.ca (webmail.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.106]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx32.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B714E202D4 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2020 14:14:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216.185.71.44 (SquirrelMail authenticated user byrnejb_hll) by webmail.harte-lyne.ca with HTTP; Mon, 17 Aug 2020 14:14:13 -0400 Message-ID: <66e8ebe25c8952ef651ecdb46a8b4dc1.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2020 13:09:36 -0400 Subject: Re: Nvidia on FreeBSD From: "James B. 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One of these is presently attached to the DVI port of the Nvidia card. It is considered unknow by mate and reporta a resolution of 1024 x 768 but the display looks more like 800 x 600. What are the next steps to get this thing recognized. -- *** e-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** Do NOT transmit sensitive data via e-Mail Unencrypted messages have no legal claim to privacy Do NOT open attachments nor follow links sent by e-Mail James B. 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Byrne via freebsd-questions < freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> wrote: > > These are the installed packages relating to nvidia: > > [root@vhost01 ~ (master)]# pkg info -x drm > libdrm-2.4.102,1 > > > [root@vhost01 ~ (master)]# pkg info -x nvidia > nvidia-driver-390-390.138 > > This is what I have in rc.conf: > > kld_list="cuse fuse linux nvidia nvidia-modeset" > > > This is everything from dmesg that I can identify as being related to > nvidia or > video: > > VT(vga): resolution 640x480 > > > > vtvga0: on motherboard > > > > hdacc0: at cad 0 on hdac0 > hdaa0: at nid 1 on hdacc0 > pcm0: at nid 4 on hdaa0 > pcm1: at nid 5 on hdaa0 > > > > nvidia0: on vgapci0 > vgapci0: child nvidia0 requested pci_enable_io > vgapci0: child nvidia0 requested pci_enable_io > nvidia-modeset: Loading NVIDIA Kernel Mode Setting Driver for UNIX > platforms > 390.138 Thu May 14 04:04:42 PDT 2020 > > > > AMD-Vi: IVRS Info VAsize = 64 PAsize = 48 GVAsize = 2 flags:0 > driver bug: Unable to set devclass (class: ppc devname: (unknown)) ivhd0: > on acpi0 > ivhd0: Flag:b0 > ivhd0: Features(type:0x11) MsiNumPPR = 0 PNBanks= 2 PNCounters= 0 > ivhd0: Extended features[31:0]:22294ada HATS = > 0x2 > GATS = 0x0 GLXSup = 0x1 SmiFSup = 0x1 SmiFRC = 0x2 GAMSup = 0x1 > DualPortLogSup > = 0x2 DualEventLogSup = 0x2 > ivhd0: Extended features[62:32]:f77ef Max PASID: 0x2f DevTblSegSup > = 0x3 > MarcSup = 0x1 > ivhd0: supported paging level:7, will use only: 4 > ivhd0: device range: 0x0 - 0xffff > ivhd0: PCI cap 0x190b640f@0x40 feature:19 > > > I have two Ancore Communiucations Inc. 23" monitors that previously ran at > 1920 > x 1080, 60 Hz. One of these is presently attached to the DVI port of the > Nvidia card. It is considered unknow by mate and reporta a resolution of > 1024 > x 768 but the display looks more like 800 x 600. > > What are the next steps to get this thing recognized. > Steps: 1. Remove all mention of DRM from your configs and delete the kld_list line from /etc/rc.conf 1. deinstall/delete *ALL* packages 2. Get a copy of the /usr/ports directly that is recent 3. Build /usr/ports/X11/nvidia-driver-390 from source as follows: (optional) cd /usr/ports/ports-mgmt/portmaster cd /usr/ports rehash portmaster X11/nvidia-driver-390 4. Add to /boot/loader.conf: nvidia-modeset_enable="YES" 5. Reboot 6. Reinstall whatever other X stuff you want (after verifying that nvdia-modeset is loaded) -- Aryeh M. 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Byrne via freebsd-questions < > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> wrote: > >> >> These are the installed packages relating to nvidia: >> >> [root@vhost01 ~ (master)]# pkg info -x drm >> libdrm-2.4.102,1 >> >> >> [root@vhost01 ~ (master)]# pkg info -x nvidia >> nvidia-driver-390-390.138 >> >> This is what I have in rc.conf: >> >> kld_list="cuse fuse linux nvidia nvidia-modeset" >> >> >> This is everything from dmesg that I can identify as being related to >> nvidia or >> video: >> >> VT(vga): resolution 640x480 >> >> >> >> vtvga0: on motherboard >> >> >> >> hdacc0: at cad 0 on hdac0 >> hdaa0: at nid 1 on hdacc0 >> pcm0: at nid 4 on hdaa0 >> pcm1: at nid 5 on hdaa0 >> >> >> >> nvidia0: on vgapci0 >> vgapci0: child nvidia0 requested pci_enable_io >> vgapci0: child nvidia0 requested pci_enable_io >> nvidia-modeset: Loading NVIDIA Kernel Mode Setting Driver for UNIX >> platforms >> 390.138 Thu May 14 04:04:42 PDT 2020 >> >> >> >> AMD-Vi: IVRS Info VAsize = 64 PAsize = 48 GVAsize = 2 flags:0 >> driver bug: Unable to set devclass (class: ppc devname: (unknown)) ivhd0: >> on acpi0 >> ivhd0: Flag:b0 >> ivhd0: Features(type:0x11) MsiNumPPR = 0 PNBanks= 2 PNCounters= 0 >> ivhd0: Extended features[31:0]:22294ada HATS = >> 0x2 >> GATS = 0x0 GLXSup = 0x1 SmiFSup = 0x1 SmiFRC = 0x2 GAMSup = 0x1 >> DualPortLogSup >> = 0x2 DualEventLogSup = 0x2 >> ivhd0: Extended features[62:32]:f77ef Max PASID: 0x2f DevTblSegSup >> = 0x3 >> MarcSup = 0x1 >> ivhd0: supported paging level:7, will use only: 4 >> ivhd0: device range: 0x0 - 0xffff >> ivhd0: PCI cap 0x190b640f@0x40 feature:19 >> >> >> I have two Ancore Communiucations Inc. 23" monitors that previously ran >> at 1920 >> x 1080, 60 Hz. One of these is presently attached to the DVI port of the >> Nvidia card. It is considered unknow by mate and reporta a resolution of >> 1024 >> x 768 but the display looks more like 800 x 600. >> >> What are the next steps to get this thing recognized. >> > > Steps: > 1. Remove all mention of DRM from your configs and delete the kld_list > line from /etc/rc.conf > 1. deinstall/delete *ALL* packages > 2. Get a copy of the /usr/ports directly that is recent > 3. Build /usr/ports/X11/nvidia-driver-390 from source as follows: > (optional) cd /usr/ports/ports-mgmt/portmaster > cd /usr/ports > rehash > portmaster X11/nvidia-driver-390 > 4. Add to /boot/loader.conf: > nvidia-modeset_enable="YES" > 5. Reboot > 6. Reinstall whatever other X stuff you want (after verifying that > nvdia-modeset is loaded) > -- > Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org > -- Aryeh M. 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Here is mine: Graphics Processor: GeForce GT 710 NVIDIA Driver Version: 440.82 X log: [ 119.742] (--) NVIDIA(GPU-0): Sangyo MS09 (DFP-0): connected [ 119.742] (--) NVIDIA(GPU-0): Sangyo MS09 (DFP-0): Internal TMDS [ 119.742] (--) NVIDIA(GPU-0): Sangyo MS09 (DFP-0): 340.0 MHz maximum pixel clock [ 119.742] (--) NVIDIA(GPU-0): [ 119.772] (--) NVIDIA(GPU-0): Samsung SyncMaster (DFP-1): connected [ 119.772] (--) NVIDIA(GPU-0): Samsung SyncMaster (DFP-1): Internal TMDS [ 119.772] (--) NVIDIA(GPU-0): Samsung SyncMaster (DFP-1): 340.0 MHz maximum pixel clock [ 119.782] (II) NVIDIA(0): Validated MetaModes: [ 119.782] (II) NVIDIA(0): "DFP-0:1920x1080+1920+0,DFP-1:1920x1080+0+0" -- Mario Lobo http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br FreeBSD since version 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio.... 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Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > Yes! > > Here is mine: > > Graphics Processor: GeForce GT 710 > NVIDIA Driver Version: 440.82 > > X log: > > [ 119.742] (--) NVIDIA(GPU-0): Sangyo MS09 (DFP-0): connected > [ 119.742] (--) NVIDIA(GPU-0): Sangyo MS09 (DFP-0): Internal TMDS > [ 119.742] (--) NVIDIA(GPU-0): Sangyo MS09 (DFP-0): 340.0 MHz maximum > pixel clock > [ 119.742] (--) NVIDIA(GPU-0): > [ 119.772] (--) NVIDIA(GPU-0): Samsung SyncMaster (DFP-1): connected > [ 119.772] (--) NVIDIA(GPU-0): Samsung SyncMaster (DFP-1): Internal TMDS > [ 119.772] (--) NVIDIA(GPU-0): Samsung SyncMaster (DFP-1): 340.0 MHz > maximum pixel clock > > [ 119.782] (II) NVIDIA(0): Validated MetaModes: > [ 119.782] (II) NVIDIA(0): > "DFP-0:1920x1080+1920+0,DFP-1:1920x1080+0+0" > Just to give more evidence here is the log from my desktop (the machine I want to upgrade to 4k [currently looking at a gt1030 and Acer CB282K for the upgrade [both are listed in /usr/local/share/doc/NVIDIA_GLX-1.0/README as being fully supported with driver version 390]): [ 228.178] (II) Module glx: vendor="NVIDIA Corporation" [ 228.178] compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.0 [ 228.178] Module class: X.Org Server Extension [ 228.178] (II) NVIDIA GLX Module 390.138 Thu May 14 03:59:36 PDT 2020 [ 228.178] (II) LoadModule: "nvidia" [ 228.178] (II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.so [ 228.197] (II) Module nvidia: vendor="NVIDIA Corporation" [ 228.197] compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.0 [ 228.197] Module class: X.Org Video Driver [ 228.198] (II) NVIDIA dlloader X Driver 390.138 Thu May 14 03:37:42 PDT 2020 [ 228.198] (II) NVIDIA Unified Driver for all Supported NVIDIA GPUs ... [ 228.206] (**) NVIDIA(0): Depth 24, (--) framebuffer bpp 32 [ 228.206] (==) NVIDIA(0): RGB weight 888 [ 228.206] (==) NVIDIA(0): Default visual is TrueColor [ 228.206] (==) NVIDIA(0): Using gamma correction (1.0, 1.0, 1.0) [ 228.208] (**) NVIDIA(0): Enabling 2D acceleration [ 229.261] (--) NVIDIA(0): Valid display device(s) on GPU-0 at PCI:37:0:0 [ 229.261] (--) NVIDIA(0): CRT-0 [ 229.261] (--) NVIDIA(0): DFP-0 [ 229.261] (--) NVIDIA(0): DFP-1 (boot) [ 229.264] (II) NVIDIA(0): NVIDIA GPU GeForce GT 710 (GK208) at PCI:37:0:0 (GPU-0) [ 229.264] (--) NVIDIA(0): Memory: 2097152 kBytes [ 229.264] (--) NVIDIA(0): VideoBIOS: 80.28.a6.00.11 [ 229.264] (II) NVIDIA(0): Detected PCI Express Link width: 8X [ 229.265] (--) NVIDIA(GPU-0): CRT-0: disconnected [ 229.265] (--) NVIDIA(GPU-0): CRT-0: 400.0 MHz maximum pixel clock [ 229.265] (--) NVIDIA(GPU-0): [ 229.266] (--) NVIDIA(GPU-0): DFP-0: disconnected [ 229.266] (--) NVIDIA(GPU-0): DFP-0: Internal TMDS [ 229.266] (--) NVIDIA(GPU-0): DFP-0: 330.0 MHz maximum pixel clock [ 229.266] (--) NVIDIA(GPU-0): [ 229.297] (--) NVIDIA(GPU-0): Acer ET241Y (DFP-1): connected [ 229.297] (--) NVIDIA(GPU-0): Acer ET241Y (DFP-1): Internal TMDS [ 229.297] (--) NVIDIA(GPU-0): Acer ET241Y (DFP-1): 340.0 MHz maximum pixel clock [ 229.297] (--) NVIDIA(GPU-0): [ 229.301] (==) NVIDIA(0): [ 229.301] (==) NVIDIA(0): No modes were requested; the default mode "nvidia-auto-select" [ 229.301] (==) NVIDIA(0): will be used as the requested mode. [ 229.301] (==) NVIDIA(0): [ 229.302] (II) NVIDIA(0): Validated MetaModes: [ 229.302] (II) NVIDIA(0): "DFP-1:nvidia-auto-select" [ 229.302] (II) NVIDIA(0): Virtual screen size determined to be 1920 x 1080 [ 229.307] (--) NVIDIA(0): DPI set to (92, 91); computed from "UseEdidDpi" X config [ 229.307] (--) NVIDIA(0): option [ 229.308] (II) NVIDIA: Reserving 6144.00 MB of virtual memory for indirect memory [ 229.308] (II) NVIDIA: access. [ 229.343] (II) NVIDIA(0): Setting mode "DFP-1:nvidia-auto-select" [ 229.413] (==) NVIDIA(0): Disabling shared memory pixmaps [ 229.413] (==) NVIDIA(0): Backing store enabled [ 229.413] (==) NVIDIA(0): Silken mouse enabled [ 229.415] (**) NVIDIA(0): DPMS enabled [ 229.416] (II) Loading sub module "dri2" [ 229.416] (II) LoadModule: "dri2" [ 229.416] (II) Module "dri2" already built-in [ 229.417] (II) NVIDIA(0): [DRI2] Setup complete [ 229.417] (II) NVIDIA(0): [DRI2] VDPAU driver: nvidia And here is the log from my file server on the machine with the 710 (don't ask why I have the newer card in a non-desktop ;-) ... answer: laziness since there is no substantial difference for my current setup): [ 93.483] (II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so [ 93.538] (II) Module glx: vendor="NVIDIA Corporation" [ 93.538] compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.0 [ 93.538] Module class: X.Org Server Extension [ 93.538] (II) NVIDIA GLX Module 390.138 Thu May 14 03:59:36 PDT 2020 [ 93.539] (II) LoadModule: "nvidia" [ 93.540] (II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.so [ 93.547] (II) Module nvidia: vendor="NVIDIA Corporation" [ 93.547] compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.0 [ 93.547] Module class: X.Org Video Driver [ 93.548] (II) NVIDIA dlloader X Driver 390.138 Thu May 14 03:37:42 PDT 2020 [ 93.548] (II) NVIDIA Unified Driver for all Supported NVIDIA GPUs ... [ 94.532] (**) NVIDIA(0): Depth 24, (--) framebuffer bpp 32 [ 94.532] (==) NVIDIA(0): RGB weight 888 [ 94.532] (==) NVIDIA(0): Default visual is TrueColor [ 94.532] (==) NVIDIA(0): Using gamma correction (1.0, 1.0, 1.0) [ 94.532] (**) NVIDIA(0): Enabling 2D acceleration [ 95.395] (--) NVIDIA(0): Valid display device(s) on GPU-0 at PCI:41:0:0 [ 95.395] (--) NVIDIA(0): CRT-0 [ 95.395] (--) NVIDIA(0): DFP-0 [ 95.395] (--) NVIDIA(0): DFP-1 (boot) [ 95.396] (II) NVIDIA(0): NVIDIA GPU GeForce GT 710 (GK208) at PCI:41:0:0 (GPU-0) [ 95.396] (--) NVIDIA(0): Memory: 1048576 kBytes [ 95.396] (--) NVIDIA(0): VideoBIOS: 80.28.a6.00.51 [ 95.396] (II) NVIDIA(0): Detected PCI Express Link width: 8X [ 95.397] (--) NVIDIA(GPU-0): CRT-0: disconnected [ 95.397] (--) NVIDIA(GPU-0): CRT-0: 400.0 MHz maximum pixel clock [ 95.397] (--) NVIDIA(GPU-0): [ 95.398] (--) NVIDIA(GPU-0): DFP-0: disconnected [ 95.398] (--) NVIDIA(GPU-0): DFP-0: Internal TMDS [ 95.398] (--) NVIDIA(GPU-0): DFP-0: 330.0 MHz maximum pixel clock [ 95.398] (--) NVIDIA(GPU-0): [ 95.429] (--) NVIDIA(GPU-0): Acer ET241Y (DFP-1): connected [ 95.429] (--) NVIDIA(GPU-0): Acer ET241Y (DFP-1): Internal TMDS [ 95.429] (--) NVIDIA(GPU-0): Acer ET241Y (DFP-1): 340.0 MHz maximum pixel clock [ 95.429] (--) NVIDIA(GPU-0): [ 95.432] (==) NVIDIA(0): [ 95.432] (==) NVIDIA(0): No modes were requested; the default mode "nvidia-auto-select" [ 95.432] (==) NVIDIA(0): will be used as the requested mode. [ 95.432] (==) NVIDIA(0): [ 95.432] (II) NVIDIA(0): Validated MetaModes: [ 95.432] (II) NVIDIA(0): "DFP-1:nvidia-auto-select" [ 95.432] (II) NVIDIA(0): Virtual screen size determined to be 1920 x 1080 [ 95.435] (--) NVIDIA(0): DPI set to (92, 91); computed from "UseEdidDpi" X config [ 95.436] (--) NVIDIA(0): option [ 95.436] (II) NVIDIA: Reserving 6144.00 MB of virtual memory for indirect memory [ 95.436] (II) NVIDIA: access. [ 95.466] (II) NVIDIA(0): Setting mode "DFP-1:nvidia-auto-select" [ 95.525] (==) NVIDIA(0): Disabling shared memory pixmaps [ 95.525] (==) NVIDIA(0): Backing store enabled [ 95.525] (==) NVIDIA(0): Silken mouse enabled [ 95.527] (**) NVIDIA(0): DPMS enabled -- Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Aug 18 06:08:23 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AE813AF5F9 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 2020 06:08:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@sibptus.ru) Received: from admin.sibptus.ru (admin.sibptus.ru [IPv6:2001:19f0:5001:21dc::10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BW0pF67tLz4m3j for ; Tue, 18 Aug 2020 06:08:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@sibptus.ru) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sibptus.ru; s=20181118; h=In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=EKQ0BIDn8VeD6B9vdFCwUHrhZdPfjdgAvN0PIUQvLlg=; b=QJgt807P/hTjHSSP3rHOmHQuR4 /kcwFu1P4fTk0VQKvRnzQtCllcvh4YOT0pHucPiwkJmw3+lYQXywAPQYty25l21ZTNMrfQ471o43K 8bFC9evDqpbUcKgO0Tjpaq++t9oh6FC2jGmE2YbN+BqY2lkhhOp2P1PAkAC+e6217lVo=; Received: from vas by admin.sibptus.ru with local (Exim 4.94 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1k7un7-000KFh-Pb for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 18 Aug 2020 13:08:13 +0700 Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2020 13:08:13 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: need a systemd Message-ID: <20200818060813.GA77756@admin.sibptus.ru> References: <20200816024739.GB23449@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200816031245.024901EA7741@ary.local> <20200816034407.GB24454@admin.sibptus.ru> <740dd191-308b-a1b4-5aa8-d595a065cd19@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="IJpNTDwzlM2Ie8A6" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <740dd191-308b-a1b4-5aa8-d595a065cd19@gmail.com> X-PGP-Key: http://admin.sibptus.ru/~vas/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1597730902; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:dkim-signature; bh=EKQ0BIDn8VeD6B9vdFCwUHrhZdPfjdgAvN0PIUQvLlg=; b=NawH5C1BBwIJCScwj8ceiGWu7elleXRNhV3K+mnEuyjN9zlw8uLki0JUBA/XXjhSyd9o+l lrQn0O3L8NhKHwEXrFQ/dokElJFRfbuygwgHZ66dJBG+7P55Cy1SUgB8bEG4Sy46KjaGvI sra1PYNcDvxUJcAXs1PJa9KPlPJRVmg+cF2dueqPjNn6i8RmtvkSIFMTc9gz64P6ex2rTh qos/pHt5JzRlNRCo4PzEJlZUcvMqdbBpvxqu194XF/zdErUY0hSGb5j6LxyEJvyY/mUlmn XvYTEh+Qc62lBk0OiO4rrdbzTLeK5gNz8Ggk5E9E8Tv8Jo7I27F5VKlNQwNr6Q== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1597730902; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=jR4k/asfI+BFSnn9vU+xzKFiNl6lsLO7LQi/jq8r+yymG06c2AaqzIMTrxlO6MpWqvWP8P JAZ19UMyRfY5Pn8vJThDLn3yqALoDOpkHgtlXPL8PnNFqJx+uBXzd427f3VlmwPbg7ZVtP A77miy05UJN008LAjSrnrNZJ/zRq+rnmwltV/7yOlK+jPAZAzmC01i0h58Pr75qCDR9nR3 dlxYJE37oT7SEU1S6ZOL0vf5P80xJrTjVs9O6rxye15qGr1rBQ5ODMk7zQWkG5kUSLdYwu G3BDla7kXu1Vu2ZHXwY+VPLeFNlt8PlrygxkG7OsEKoBJ/JrtMV3rN+M09nWbg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=sibptus.ru header.s=20181118 header.b=QJgt807P; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of vas@sibptus.ru designates 2001:19f0:5001:21dc::10 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=vas@sibptus.ru X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BW0pF67tLz4m3j X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=sibptus.ru header.s=20181118 header.b=QJgt807P; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=sibptus.ru; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of vas@sibptus.ru designates 2001:19f0:5001:21dc::10 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=vas@sibptus.ru X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.49 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.01)[-1.006]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[sibptus.ru:s=20181118]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; ARC_SIGNED(0.00)[i=1]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.02)[-1.024]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[sibptus.ru:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[sibptus.ru,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.36)[-0.361]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20473, ipnet:2001:19f0:5000::/38, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2020 06:08:23 -0000 --IJpNTDwzlM2Ie8A6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Don Wilde wrote: > > > http://cr.yp.to/daemontools.html > > Can it observe dependencies and a predictable start/stop order? > >=20 > A commercial tool that does this and more is Scout APM. It's very powerfu= l, > completely configurable, and easy to use. You won't learn as much as you > would by building from daemon or daemontools, but, well one chooses where= to > invest ones' time. :D An interesting thing this https://scoutapm.com/, but kind of overkill for my purposes. 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ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.01)[-1.009]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[sibptus.ru:s=20181118]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx:c]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; ARC_SIGNED(0.00)[i=1]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.02)[-1.025]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[sibptus.ru:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[sibptus.ru,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.32)[-0.323]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20473, ipnet:2001:19f0:5000::/38, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2020 06:11:00 -0000 --+pHx0qQiF2pBVqBT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Janos Dohanics wrote: > >=20 > > What would you recommend for FreeBSD not as a total rc(8) replacement > > but as a tool to manage some daemons? >=20 > Have you looked at sysutils/monit? >=20 > Probably no rc(8) replacement but has many flexible options especially > if you need to monitor misbehaving daemons. Thanks, will definitely look at it. 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Yes, except the name is a bit different: py36-supervisor and py27-supervisor; the description is "System for controlling process state under UNIX", and it's quite low on dependencies (python, readline, ncurses and a few others). There are also binary packages available (named as seen above). -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[sibptus.ru,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.77)[-0.773]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20473, ipnet:2001:19f0:5000::/38, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2020 06:32:11 -0000 --VMt1DrMGOVs3KQwf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable @lbutlr wrote: > On 15 Aug 2020, at 20:38, Victor Sudakov wrote: > > @lbutlr wrote: > >>=20 > >> This is what I have been doing for years to get ssh access (an other p= orts) into my LAN, though I go with the easier to remember method of > >>=20 > >> 2202 =3D> lan.2:22 > >> 2212 =3D> lan.12:22 > >> 22107 =3D> lan.107:22 > >>=20 > >> (So 192.168.0.2 or 10.0.32.12 or however you have your LAN setup) > >=20 > > I used this for years but then I learnt about the concept of bastion > > host (the ProxyJump option in ssh_config) and forgot about all this > > hassle with port forwarding. >=20 > Does that apply to a home NAT? I thought that setup still required a non-= NAT/public facing machine to act as the host. The bastion host's port 22 should be reachable from the public Internet, and all other internal ssh servers should be reachable from the bastion hos= t itself. --=20 Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN 2:5005/49@fidonet http://vas.tomsk.ru/ --VMt1DrMGOVs3KQwf Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJfO3XpAAoJEA2k8lmbXsY0LWwH/jN4GRm75HFzlSWH1YSaGpbT 2jzBy0SCevsYtKBKGvsL5ft1lE+bT4sb+o3mqQcQvpiAf0LAn1CLlNwnzNjdhRmT gs1quTEwOUY+xUfoDTKrYif0g7ZGAhcdVhe9JFKK2Her+aBWTcQtxSwxNo3W0UZb pW2mLuVQskNBNO9k4D5+7XfPVN/N4oUVZJAdGxS9d89eN7IKmXO9HTkML4aZHt72 2aqXUFyaRj1QTCQmwbQBPbOqWo5+V5KfZU9IuCgHNbA5+JLqKUTxs0YgibleCI3M /hOCWgwAm4qyuU0jaKup3/rMLEh+fLXaQjNiQz+MUgrabfuiVk4lCZamK51/BS4= =QixP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --VMt1DrMGOVs3KQwf-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Aug 18 07:12:13 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3236A3B18B9 for ; 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However I use sysutils/s6 for process management and sysutils/s6-rc for service management These are not as easy as monit to pick-up. The dependency chain is s6-rc s6 execline - this used to be a hard requirement for log mgt but /bin/sh is ok skalibs - is required, though I don't deploy this in production The maintainer for each of monit and s6-rc & friends do a good job looking after them. (When I was "field testing", I'd kill a maintained service and it auto-restarted within 120ms. I had to slow it down to reduce ROP data collection. ;) ) There is no need to replace rc, but there are benefits to doing so. In my case, one of the drivers was log file management, and s6-log enabled me to pipe a log logs from one jail into another. :) Enjoy. refer https://www.skarnet.org/software/s6-rc/ On 18/08/2020 4:10 pm, Victor Sudakov wrote: > Janos Dohanics wrote: >>> >>> What would you recommend for FreeBSD not as a total rc(8) replacement >>> but as a tool to manage some daemons? >> >> Have you looked at sysutils/monit? >> >> Probably no rc(8) replacement but has many flexible options especially >> if you need to monitor misbehaving daemons. > > Thanks, will definitely look at it. The description looks promising. > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Aug 18 15:39:44 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97D3B3BFBDB for ; Tue, 18 Aug 2020 15:39:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pulley@dabus.com) Received: from aegir.dabus.com (aegir.dabus.com [166.70.184.35]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BWFTW3Qv4z4GMV for ; Tue, 18 Aug 2020 15:39:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pulley@dabus.com) Received: from aegir.dabus.com (aegir [166.70.184.35]) by aegir.dabus.com (Processor) with ESMTP id C874B11EC00 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 2020 09:39:34 -0600 (MDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=dabus.com; h=date:from:to :subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=aegir1; bh=wMQn0Cbs0x 6UVku2W2X1cokGejI=; b=eKcB2RaY+THOk8vif2t4B1nus98ZC+xTb6wu6MK1wl /jX07Oi8Bbgwm2e6GotBYm/mnhqSjtT6e32ZlR+gtucgnmxtFA48lpIvFTa16siY SmTv+yIWVufyPfrGeNzGtglwFoqMpohmqytkA+4LJsPJTBhEVhuXGlgpKJGFuVXB k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=dabus.com; h=date:from:to :subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; q=dns; s=aegir1; b=g9fN 0VsKMkpJxQHHDjhPOCo0ImlJNl3fjHncbvYq2SfFCc1eJI7LqnnyxRTiwBMaEPzM ArC3ItXx4sfzmx0jFAwtKgHtx6xtNHHFtXhCHe/qmK7HpNkYH/hXMD81CRu+SdtN q8KXV6xYtCVFJ7Uu/cY0zCm0I5azFS6TMP24P7w= Received: from localhost (unknown [192.168.10.6]) by aegir.dabus.com (Dabus) with ESMTPA id C033511EBFD for ; Tue, 18 Aug 2020 09:39:34 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2020 09:39:33 -0600 From: Eric S Pulley To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Nvidia on FreeBSD Message-ID: <20200818093933.0000195e@dabus.com> In-Reply-To: References: <66e8ebe25c8952ef651ecdb46a8b4dc1.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> Organization: Dabus X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.4 (GTK+ 2.24.32; i686-w64-mingw32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BWFTW3Qv4z4GMV X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=dabus.com header.s=aegir1 header.b=eKcB2RaY; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of pulley@dabus.com designates 166.70.184.35 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=pulley@dabus.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.78 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[dabus.com:s=aegir1]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; SH_EMAIL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[0.0.0.64:email]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[dabus.com]; DBL_PROHIBIT(0.00)[0.0.0.64:email]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[dabus.com:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.38)[-0.376]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6315, ipnet:166.70.0.0/16, country:US]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2020 15:39:44 -0000 On Mon, 17 Aug 2020 14:43:54 -0400 Aryeh Friedman wrote: > On Mon, Aug 17, 2020 at 2:14 PM James B. Byrne via freebsd-questions < > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> wrote: > > > > > These are the installed packages relating to nvidia: > > > > [root@vhost01 ~ (master)]# pkg info -x drm > > libdrm-2.4.102,1 > > > > > > [root@vhost01 ~ (master)]# pkg info -x nvidia > > nvidia-driver-390-390.138 > > > > This is what I have in rc.conf: > > > > kld_list="cuse fuse linux nvidia nvidia-modeset" > > > > > > This is everything from dmesg that I can identify as being related > > to nvidia or > > video: > > > > VT(vga): resolution 640x480 > > > > > > > > vtvga0: on motherboard > > > > > > > > hdacc0: at cad 0 on hdac0 > > hdaa0: at nid 1 on hdacc0 > > pcm0: at nid 4 on hdaa0 > > pcm1: at nid 5 on hdaa0 > > > > > > > > nvidia0: on vgapci0 > > vgapci0: child nvidia0 requested pci_enable_io > > vgapci0: child nvidia0 requested pci_enable_io > > nvidia-modeset: Loading NVIDIA Kernel Mode Setting Driver for UNIX > > platforms > > 390.138 Thu May 14 04:04:42 PDT 2020 > > > > > > > > AMD-Vi: IVRS Info VAsize = 64 PAsize = 48 GVAsize = 2 flags:0 > > driver bug: Unable to set devclass (class: ppc devname: (unknown)) > > ivhd0: on acpi0 > > ivhd0: Flag:b0 > > ivhd0: Features(type:0x11) MsiNumPPR = 0 PNBanks= 2 PNCounters= 0 > > ivhd0: Extended features[31:0]:22294ada > > HATS = 0x2 > > GATS = 0x0 GLXSup = 0x1 SmiFSup = 0x1 SmiFRC = 0x2 GAMSup = 0x1 > > DualPortLogSup > > = 0x2 DualEventLogSup = 0x2 > > ivhd0: Extended features[62:32]:f77ef Max PASID: 0x2f > > DevTblSegSup = 0x3 > > MarcSup = 0x1 > > ivhd0: supported paging level:7, will use only: 4 > > ivhd0: device range: 0x0 - 0xffff > > ivhd0: PCI cap 0x190b640f@0x40 feature:19 > > > > > > I have two Ancore Communiucations Inc. 23" monitors that previously > > ran at 1920 > > x 1080, 60 Hz. One of these is presently attached to the DVI port > > of the Nvidia card. It is considered unknow by mate and reporta a > > resolution of 1024 > > x 768 but the display looks more like 800 x 600. > > > > What are the next steps to get this thing recognized. > > > > Steps: > 1. Remove all mention of DRM from your configs and delete the > kld_list line from /etc/rc.conf > 1. deinstall/delete *ALL* packages > 2. Get a copy of the /usr/ports directly that is recent > 3. Build /usr/ports/X11/nvidia-driver-390 from source as follows: > (optional) cd /usr/ports/ports-mgmt/portmaster > cd /usr/ports > rehash > portmaster X11/nvidia-driver-390 > 4. Add to /boot/loader.conf: > nvidia-modeset_enable="YES" > 5. Reboot > 6. Reinstall whatever other X stuff you want (after verifying that > nvdia-modeset is loaded) Why such a drastic step as to have him remove everything? Nivida FreeBSD drivers usually just work. Seems over kill to have hem remove and hand compile everything. Just remove anything nvidia then install: nvidia-driver-390 nvidia-xconfig-440 nvidia-settings-440 make sure: nvidia-modeset_load="YES" is in loader.conf and: linux_enable="YES" is in rc.conf. reboot (or do the kldload commands but rebooting makes sure you got it right.) and run: nvidia-xconfig Start X. it should come up on both monitors. If it only comes up on one or it's mirrored or the wrong res run nvidia-settings and set it how you want. May want to just do startx and make sure it works with twm and get you res/monitor layout set before adding in any DE's Once that all works if you need additional fonts or other stuff added to you xconf add them in by hand. Remember to "Merge" the file if you ever need to save a xconf fron nvidia-settings again. Working fine for *long* time now with my gtx5xx-9xx cards here. 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Byrne via freebsd-questions < > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> wrote: > > > > > > > > These are the installed packages relating to nvidia: > > > > > > [root@vhost01 ~ (master)]# pkg info -x drm > > > libdrm-2.4.102,1 > > > > > > > > > [root@vhost01 ~ (master)]# pkg info -x nvidia > > > nvidia-driver-390-390.138 > > > > > > This is what I have in rc.conf: > > > > > > kld_list="cuse fuse linux nvidia nvidia-modeset" > > > > > > > > > This is everything from dmesg that I can identify as being related > > > to nvidia or > > > video: > > > > > > VT(vga): resolution 640x480 > > > > > > > > > > > > vtvga0: on motherboard > > > > > > > > > > > > hdacc0: at cad 0 on hdac0 > > > hdaa0: at nid 1 on hdacc0 > > > pcm0: at nid 4 on hdaa0 > > > pcm1: at nid 5 on hdaa0 > > > > > > > > > > > > nvidia0: on vgapci0 > > > vgapci0: child nvidia0 requested pci_enable_io > > > vgapci0: child nvidia0 requested pci_enable_io > > > nvidia-modeset: Loading NVIDIA Kernel Mode Setting Driver for UNIX > > > platforms > > > 390.138 Thu May 14 04:04:42 PDT 2020 > > > > > > > > > > > > AMD-Vi: IVRS Info VAsize = 64 PAsize = 48 GVAsize = 2 flags:0 > > > driver bug: Unable to set devclass (class: ppc devname: (unknown)) > > > ivhd0: on acpi0 > > > ivhd0: Flag:b0 > > > ivhd0: Features(type:0x11) MsiNumPPR = 0 PNBanks= 2 PNCounters= 0 > > > ivhd0: Extended features[31:0]:22294ada > > > HATS = 0x2 > > > GATS = 0x0 GLXSup = 0x1 SmiFSup = 0x1 SmiFRC = 0x2 GAMSup = 0x1 > > > DualPortLogSup > > > = 0x2 DualEventLogSup = 0x2 > > > ivhd0: Extended features[62:32]:f77ef Max PASID: 0x2f > > > DevTblSegSup = 0x3 > > > MarcSup = 0x1 > > > ivhd0: supported paging level:7, will use only: 4 > > > ivhd0: device range: 0x0 - 0xffff > > > ivhd0: PCI cap 0x190b640f@0x40 feature:19 > > > > > > > > > I have two Ancore Communiucations Inc. 23" monitors that previously > > > ran at 1920 > > > x 1080, 60 Hz. One of these is presently attached to the DVI port > > > of the Nvidia card. It is considered unknow by mate and reporta a > > > resolution of 1024 > > > x 768 but the display looks more like 800 x 600. > > > > > > What are the next steps to get this thing recognized. > > > > > > > Steps: > > 1. Remove all mention of DRM from your configs and delete the > > kld_list line from /etc/rc.conf > > 1. deinstall/delete *ALL* packages > > 2. Get a copy of the /usr/ports directly that is recent > > 3. Build /usr/ports/X11/nvidia-driver-390 from source as follows: > > (optional) cd /usr/ports/ports-mgmt/portmaster > > cd /usr/ports > > rehash > > portmaster X11/nvidia-driver-390 > > 4. Add to /boot/loader.conf: > > nvidia-modeset_enable="YES" > > 5. Reboot > > 6. Reinstall whatever other X stuff you want (after verifying that > > nvdia-modeset is loaded) > > Why such a drastic step as to have him remove everything? Nivida > FreeBSD drivers usually just work. Seems over kill to have hem remove > and hand compile everything. > You are usually correct but in some cases having drm stuff around pollutes/corrupts things. The problem is DRMisms go all the way down the X stack and thus the need to get rid of them all (yes you could track down ever last one of them and delete only those packages but their is over a hundred to look through and if you miss one it gets really screwed up). Case in point I decided to try DRM a while back on the machine that has the gt510 on it because someone claimed nVidia now worked with DRM (it doesn't!!) and had all kinds of problems until I did the steps I recommended when it came to reinstalling nVidia-driver. > Just remove anything nvidia then install: > nvidia-driver-390 > nvidia-xconfig-440 > nvidia-settings-440 > > make sure: > nvidia-modeset_load="YES" > is in loader.conf > and: > linux_enable="YES" > is in rc.conf. > > reboot (or do the kldload commands but rebooting makes sure you > got it right.) and run: > > nvidia-xconfig > > Start X. it should come up on both monitors. If it only comes up on one > or it's mirrored or the wrong res run nvidia-settings and set it how you > want. May want to just do startx and make sure it works with twm and > get you res/monitor layout set before adding in any DE's > If it works good but if you previously had DRM installed it will likely not work. > Once that all works if you need additional fonts or other stuff added > to you xconf add them in by hand. Remember to "Merge" the file if you > ever need to save a xconf fron nvidia-settings again. > Again a strong reason to just repeat the install from scratch. > Working fine for *long* time now with my gtx5xx-9xx cards here. All > sorts of different window managers/DEs over the years. > > -- > esp > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Aug 18 17:23:28 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BBEA3C2121 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 2020 17:23:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from mx32.harte-lyne.ca (mx32.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.32]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mx32.harte-lyne.ca", Issuer "CA_HLL_ISSUER_2016" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BWHnC5Mzcz4NZ5 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 2020 17:23:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from mx32.harte-lyne.ca (localhost [127.0.32.1]) by mx32.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75CE22191E for ; Tue, 18 Aug 2020 13:23:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at harte-lyne.ca Received: from mx32.harte-lyne.ca ([127.0.32.1]) by mx32.harte-lyne.ca (mx32.harte-lyne.ca [127.0.32.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uF-fzGDE3GHl for ; Tue, 18 Aug 2020 13:23:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from webmail.harte-lyne.ca (webmail.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.106]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx32.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 79F6A21915 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 2020 13:23:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216.185.71.41 (SquirrelMail authenticated user byrnejb_hll) by webmail.harte-lyne.ca with HTTP; Tue, 18 Aug 2020 13:23:20 -0400 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2020 13:23:20 -0400 Subject: Mouse and Nvidia From: "James B. Byrne" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Reply-To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.23 [SVN] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BWHnC5Mzcz4NZ5 X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.11 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[harte-lyne.ca:s=dkim_hll]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:216.185.71.0/26]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCVD_DKIM_ARC_DNSWL_MED(-0.50)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[harte-lyne.ca:dkim]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[216.185.71.32:from]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[harte-lyne.ca:+]; HAS_X_PRIO_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.41)[-0.407]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[harte-lyne.ca,quarantine]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:12021, ipnet:216.185.64.0/20, country:CA]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2020 17:23:28 -0000 I have my Nvidia card configured and everything worked as expected. Up to tje point that I unplugged one of the video cables. when I was finished with having that monitor hooked up to a different host I plugged it back in to the host I work on. What happened is the the mouse cursor, which formerly worked across both screens is now captive on one. How did this happen and how do I fix it? -- *** e-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** Do NOT transmit sensitive data via e-Mail Unencrypted messages have no legal claim to privacy Do NOT open attachments nor follow links sent by e-Mail James B. 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Byrne" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Reply-To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.23 [SVN] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BWHqz4wqcz4P32 X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.13 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[harte-lyne.ca:s=dkim_hll]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:216.185.71.0/26:c]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCVD_DKIM_ARC_DNSWL_MED(-0.50)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[harte-lyne.ca:dkim]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[harte-lyne.ca:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[harte-lyne.ca,quarantine]; HAS_X_PRIO_THREE(0.00)[3]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[216.185.71.32:from]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.43)[-0.427]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:12021, ipnet:216.185.64.0/20, country:CA]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2020 17:25:52 -0000 Never mind. Somehow the screens got switched and the mouse now goes of the RHS of the right most screen. onto the left most side of the left screen. I will fix in system settings. -- *** e-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** Do NOT transmit sensitive data via e-Mail Unencrypted messages have no legal claim to privacy Do NOT open attachments nor follow links sent by e-Mail James B. 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It is building the package without and = *required* options =E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6. (the same as defined for the = original build!) =EF=BF=BD So this leads to the *default package* and not the *intended package* = having e.g. required path settings! =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD So my question: =E2=80=9Cis how to build an package having the same = build settings as in the original autotools build=E2=80=9D (using same generated makefile, config etc.) =EF=BF=BD Perhaps !!?? the whole rebuild process by the port-tools is not required = at all (just my feeling(!)=20 If port could!!?? only do all the packaging stuff for the already build = files! =E2=98=B9 =F0=9F=98=8A =EF=BF=BD No problem if port does the project make process again = =E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6 as long as it would use exactly the same settings = =F0=9F=98=8A =EF=BF=BD Does anyone know how to archive this? =EF=BF=BD Sincerely, =EF=BF=BD Louis=20 =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Aug 19 02:17:58 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B59A3AE9D2 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 02:17:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.187]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BWWdv4NRvz41pQ for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 02:17:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([178.12.45.27]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue010 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MT9zD-1kEdiD2MXf-00UaOO; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 04:17:50 +0200 Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 04:17:50 +0200 From: Polytropon To: louis.forums@xs4all.nl Cc: "louis.forums@xs4all.nl" , Subject: Re: How to build a package from local source keeping all the original used (gnu autotools) build options !?? 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The reason is that you built source outside (!) of the ports tree, and you set those options outside of the tree with means that are not part of the "ports options framework". > make makesum > > make stage > > make stage-qa > > make package > > That however does not work in the right way. As I said, it works in the _intended_ way. What you would need to do is to obtain the sources you need, usually by getting the most recent version of the ports tree (using svn), and then use "make config" so the ports framework can store the options. If you need sources that are _different_ from those provided by the ports collection, you could try to copy the source tree obtained by git into the work/ subdirectory of the port. > The problem is that “Port†is building the sources *again* > (in �cd /usr/ports//work// > > And more severe …. It is building the package without and > *required* options ……. (the same as defined for the original build!) That is exactly how it is supposed to work. :-) > So my question: “is how to build an package having the same > build settings as in the original autotools build†> (using same generated makefile, config etc.) It might sound strange, but you're trying a "non-supported thing", which doesn't mean it couldn't work. As I mentioned, try to use the generated source tree, copied into the ports tree, from within (!) the ports tree, by revisiting the "make config" screen to make sure all options are met as intended. > Perhaps !!?? the whole rebuild process by the port-tools is > not required at all (just my feeling(!) The rebuild will only be performed if an existing package does not meet the requirements of the options set (option mismatch) or if the version is different (version mismatch). In any other cases, existing built and/or installed packages will be kept. So the ports framework has no idea of which options have been applied to the files now available in distfiles/, that's why it needs to rebuild the (unsuited, because default option) packages as they do not exist yet. The best idea here probably is to use "ports only" as a means to build stuff to avoid both version mismatch and options mismatch. > If port could!!?? only do all the packaging stuff for the > already build files! ☹ đŸ˜ > � That is probably possible. Have you looked into poudriere? For a "one-time action", using the regular ports tree might be okay, but if you're going to do updating and rebuilding more than once, maybe dedicating a poudriere installation with your custom options would be more convenient on the long run. I hope I did understand your intentions correctly. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 08:07:15 +0200 Message-ID: <000701d675ee$fd65ecf0$f831c6d0$@xs4all.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Thread-Index: AQJNtvOxsaRsgAbmPhqHN7qixEg+uwNzqzFtAIBuJj+oMLUxQIAAFupA Content-Language: nl X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfMSAn9cA3eZl4dQijaj2fspjS57mWtft1lLtB+Xyp6JobS8hCm3m39RT48usoMG1/Z7owiPby1btvPZHy5X76zIYtYZOtccIDtGRlIC7uYhv3dTI+Ae+ djY4y1UgUwAsQ0grJ1ISnr++FwNZGwqg3FAN8C+IC/nIEquU8da/kskYh4pIbeUXfccu9dWF/ANjQBPBoxIKjlT9+LqBVJo8n2Rx6O5Kx8wfSNQWh1RIbMek JOOMOJl/AdMlFk19pWZzBw== X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BWckh1xwsz4G0j X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=xs4all.nl header.s=s1 header.b=LFPiUoqs; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of lsrbreda@xs4all.nl designates 194.109.24.30 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=lsrbreda@xs4all.nl X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.15 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[louis.forums@xs4all.nl]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:194.109.24.0/24:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[xs4all.nl]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[194.109.24.30:from]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[xs4all.nl:+]; SUBJECT_HAS_EXCLAIM(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.55)[-0.552]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[xs4all.nl]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:3265, ipnet:194.109.0.0/16, country:NL]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[xs4all.nl:s=s1]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[194.109.24.30:from]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[xs4all.nl:dkim]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; FREEMAIL_REPLYTO(0.00)[xs4all.nl]; REPLYTO_DOM_EQ_FROM_DOM(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[xs4all.nl]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 06:07:25 -0000 Thanx, Yep I am using outlook =F0=9F=98=8A doing ..... clever things ...... Not = only outlook by the way ..... no idea what this forum mailing system is = doing, but the layout of the mail here is ..... terrible ..... not at = all the intended layout !! But back to the problem, what I IMHO has been doing, seems quite = logical. Starting with the "maintainer part" ("maintainer process") - sources are coming from GitHub, I did some local modifications - so I am using the local git tree as the development tree - generating a distribution file there Than I distribute to port to generate the package to "OS package = maintainers" ("package build process") - and yep it is on the same computer, but what is wrong with that .... Like you wrote, I probably need to build with ports itself. Which = breaks the whole idea of distribution files / responsibility separation = IMHO!! =E2=98=B9 =E2=98=B9=20 I am worried .... The package is designed to use "GNU-autotools options = .... not to use port options ....=20 does port allow to build the same way .... as does autotools does ?? = does ./autogen.sh ./configure =E2=80=93 option-A=3D/abc =E2=80=93 option-B=3D/def = etc (*required*) work in ports !!??!!! May be there is no problem, have to find out. May be you are willing to = help here. Assume I copy the whole source from my git directory to "what ever other = directory on my computer", which commands should I use to get the = intended result ........... Louis=20 PS Alternative, could be to change the way that the distribution file is = generated ........=20 do not know how to do that =E2=98=B9 =20 .... and it is surely related, but I think different subject !!=20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org = On Behalf Of Polytropon Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2020 4:18 AM To: louis.forums@xs4all.nl Cc: louis.forums@xs4all.nl ; = freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to build a package from local source keeping all the = original used (gnu autotools) build options !?? On Tue, 18 Aug 2020 21:44:54 +0200, louis.forums@xs4all.nl wrote: > Hello, >=20 > =20 Something is wrong with your mailer - it damaged commands so they become = incorrect - oh, never mind, "Microsoft Outlook", let's see if I can fix = that a bit. ;-) > After downloading a project from GitHub and making some changes, I can = > build and install that project using the GNU autotools >=20 > cd /var/git/ >=20 > ./autogen.sh >=20 > ./configure =E2=80=93 option-A=3D/abc =E2=80=93 option-B=3D/def = etc (*required*=20 > options) ^ That is probably a case of "smart substitution" where you want to have = "--", but got "=E2=80=93 ", and I have no idea what " " could have been = in your original input (it appears in many places). > make >=20 > make install >=20 > make dist >=20 > =20 >=20 > However than I need to make a distribution package for that project >=20 > cp /var/git// cd /usr/ports/ >=20 > cd /usr/ports// At this point, all make commands will use the options set for the port - = which have not been set yet, i. e., the default port options will apply = (as you have noticed in the result). The reason is that you built source outside (!) of the ports tree, and = you set those options outside of the tree with means that are not part = of the "ports options framework". > make makesum >=20 > make stage >=20 > make stage-qa >=20 > make package >=20 > That however does not work in the right way.=20 As I said, it works in the _intended_ way. What you would need to do is to obtain the sources you need, usually by = getting the most recent version of the ports tree (using svn), and then = use "make config" so the ports framework can store the options. If you need sources that are _different_ from those provided by the = ports collection, you could try to copy the source tree obtained by git = into the work/ subdirectory of the port. > The problem is that =E2=80=9CPort=E2=80=9D is building the sources = *again* (in cd=20 > /usr/ports//work// >=20 > And more severe =E2=80=A6. It is building the package without and > *required* options =E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6. (the same as defined for the = original build!) That is exactly how it is supposed to work. :-) > So my question: =E2=80=9Cis how to build an package having the same = build=20 > settings as in the original autotools build=E2=80=9D > (using same generated makefile, config etc.) It might sound strange, but you're trying a "non-supported thing", which = doesn't mean it couldn't work. As I mentioned, try to use the generated = source tree, copied into the ports tree, from within (!) the ports tree, = by revisiting the "make config" screen to make sure all options are met as intended. > Perhaps !!?? the whole rebuild process by the port-tools is not=20 > required at all (just my feeling(!) The rebuild will only be performed if an existing package does not meet = the requirements of the options set (option mismatch) or if the version = is different (version mismatch). In any other cases, existing built = and/or installed packages will be kept. So the ports framework has no idea of which options have been applied to = the files now available in distfiles/, that's why it needs to rebuild = the (unsuited, because default option) packages as they do not exist = yet. The best idea here probably is to use "ports only" as a means to build = stuff to avoid both version mismatch and options mismatch. > If port could!!?? only do all the packaging stuff for the already=20 > build files! =E2=98=B9 =F0=9F=98=8A > =20 That is probably possible. Have you looked into poudriere? For a "one-time action", using the regular ports tree might be okay, but = if you're going to do updating and rebuilding more than once, maybe = dedicating a poudriere installation with your custom options would be = more convenient on the long run. I hope I did understand your intentions correctly. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list = https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Aug 19 06:15:31 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 860A93B2FC9 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 06:15:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.24]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BWcw21tP3z4GDh for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 06:15:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([178.12.45.27]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue106 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MPXMa-1kLyTX0c30-00MZee; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 08:15:25 +0200 Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 08:15:24 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Cc: , Subject: Re: How to build a package from local source keeping all the original used (gnu autotools) build options !?? 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Courtesy of software: "We know better than you." ;-) > Not only outlook by the way ..... no idea what this forum mailing > system is doing, but the layout of the mail here is ..... terrible > ..... not at all the intended layout !! Going with plain text / pure ASCII, no HTML, no "smart formatting", is the best thing to do. However, "clever" tools which know better than you will change your message and destroy the formatting you did, or destroy the formatting of the incoming messages so it's "more fun" for you to read. If you can, switch off all that "cleverness" for this mailing list - it just results in misleading and wrong content in the list and its archives. By the way, you can check the mailing list archives to see how the messages are supposed to look like (form-wise). ;-) > But back to the problem, what I IMHO has been doing, seems quite logical. > > Starting with the "maintainer part" ("maintainer process") > - sources are coming from GitHub, I did some local modifications > - so I am using the local git tree as the development tree > - generating a distribution file there That is already the problem where you see the interference with the ports system: Sources managed, build and installed with ports tools have to meet certain specifications. Sources obtained from Github, being processed outside of the scope of the ports toolchain, do not integrate well. See "man 7 ports" for details. > Than I distribute to port to generate the package to > "OS package maintainers" ("package build process") > - and yep it is on the same computer, but what is wrong with that .... > > Like you wrote, I probably need to build with ports itself. > Which breaks the whole idea of distribution files / responsibility > separation IMHO!! ☹ ☹ Port maintainers who develop software for FreeBSD tend so work with a local ports tree, and often use poudriere as a build environment. FreeBSD uses SVN (Subversion) as a revision control system for the ports tree itself. Port maintainers can use git / Github independently, but those are not part of the FreeBSD ports "ecosystem". I mention this as using portsnap will not always give you the most current version of the ports tree, that's why using svn checkout is preferred in such a case. > I am worried .... The package is designed to use "GNU-autotools > options .... not to use port options .... > does port allow to build the same way .... as does autotools > does ?? does > ./autogen.sh > ./configure – option-A=/abc – option-B=/def etc (*required* > work in ports !!??!!! This is something that the port's Makefile can communicate to the ./configure step. The port's options framework should be used to allow the user to define options as you mentioned, they usually aren't to be set manually: port options ---> ./configure options ---> build [ ] FOO --option-FOO=1 [ ] BAR --option-bar=enable [ ] BAZ --with-baz (Again, "cleverness" changed "--" to "– " which is wrong.) A first step is to determine if if you find some ./configure or autotools settings in that port which do not have a suitable option (selectable in "make config" or using a Makefile.local additional file). > May be there is no problem, have to find out. May be you are > willing to help here. There are more people on this list who are deeper involved in port management and development, they can probably offer a much more detailed and accurate answer. However, what you could try, is to use the ports collection as intended: Get the latest version of the tree, diff that against the tree obtained with git (just in case it's not current), and check or uncheck the options in "make config"; if you find options missing, e. g., there is some ./configure setting like --option-blah=xyz, but the port does not have a corresponding port option WITH_BLAH, you could add that experimentally, and if it works as intended, offer a patch to help the further development of the port in question. This eliminates the problem that there is an option the ports framework is not aware of, and therefore cannot handle it properly. The core idea is to move the sources for use into the correct place within the ports collection, both as "the files" and "the concepts" (options). > Assume I copy the whole source from my git directory to > "what ever other directory on my computer", which commands > should I use to get the intended result ........... The sources used to build within the ports tree belong into /usr/ports///. Without further knowledge about what you're trying to achieve, I cannot recommand exact commands to be entered. But the general path should be clear now. You can find more information here: 4.5. Using the Ports Collection https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/ports-using.html 4.6. Building Packages with Poudriere https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/ports-poudriere.html FreeBSD Porter's Handbook https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/porters-handbook/ Especially sctions 4, 5.13, 6.6 and therefore 17.4 seem to be valuable here, as well as example 5.10 (related to GitHub). -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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Not o= nly >outlook by the way ..... no idea what this forum mailing system is >doing, but the layout of the mail here is ..... terrible ..... not at >all the intended layout !! It's probably caused by a bad structure of a sentence done by you in the first place, in combination with a "smart" character replacement, when rendering the email for sending, without providing a preview of the rendered email before sending, done by Outlook. Some of the replacement chars are obviously even not included by the UTF-8 charset. They likely require a specific Microsoft font. I've never seen that the software (mailman 2) and it's settings used by this mailing list have changed the formatting or characters. For example, "......" probably was replaced by "=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6", while = "....." 123123 12312 wasn't replaced. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Aug 19 07:13:34 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAE5D3B467B for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 07:13:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from mx1.riseup.net (mx1.riseup.net [198.252.153.129]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BWfC20jTTz4Jvb for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 07:13:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from bell.riseup.net (bell-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.178]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BWfC06YMTzFf0P for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 00:13:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1597821212; bh=uVpgvNEJ0JTQvrJtrF+3AJzzhgvw6ULsV42qM3esTVY=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=INMK5rSC2yvBFpk2Atevi/wvQEymML1az0mxvzt0qr2sLTeRc7Nps35mLxH11eDSI YOGoSeYlvghUBpX0zD5Iiq/OzUTlSZ4Z1zWlslrpyo/4edxbWqhvgGdY4eFpkNm71k wOMWkBTFq+4PIF+1CenXiMZdOUhhgKRBSHi3RrTE= X-Riseup-User-ID: DA843FC32AAFEB3456A0376281EF855F451D9523338EF6260879C08A25AE71F6 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bell.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4BWfC015v8zJqmD for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 00:13:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 09:13:20 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to build a package from local source keeping all the original used (gnu autotools) build options !?? Message-ID: <20200819091320.343c869f@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <20200819090909.5c73d3c6@archlinux> References: <000001d67566$e2acd5a0$a80680e0$@xs4all.nl> <000701d67598$0c8aa560$259ff020$@xs4all.nl> <20200819041750.5784a1f9.freebsd@edvax.de> <000701d675ee$fd65ecf0$f831c6d0$@xs4all.nl> <20200819090909.5c73d3c6@archlinux> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BWfC20jTTz4Jvb X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b=INMK5rSC; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=riseup.net; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ralf-mardorf@riseup.net designates 198.252.153.129 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ralf-mardorf@riseup.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.77 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[riseup.net:s=squak]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx:c]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[riseup.net:dkim]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[riseup.net:+]; SUBJECT_HAS_EXCLAIM(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[riseup.net,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.17)[-0.169]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16652, ipnet:198.252.153.0/24, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[198.252.153.129:from] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 07:13:35 -0000 On Wed, 19 Aug 2020 09:09:09 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >On Wed, 19 Aug 2020 08:07:15 +0200, louis.forums@xs4all.nl wrote: >>Yep I am using outlook =F0=9F=98=8A doing ..... clever things ...... Not = only 12312 123123 Hm? > >For example, "......" probably was replaced by "=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6", while= "....." > 123123 12312 >wasn't replaced. I'm mistaken. Another mail from you contains "=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6". Did you = use different settings when writing to this list? From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Aug 19 08:10:44 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6490C3B6310 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 08:10:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kuku@kukulies.org) Received: from mail.kukulies.org (mail.kukulies.org [116.203.115.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BWgSx5g7tz4NrB for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 08:10:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kuku@kukulies.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.kukulies.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FA8010276A; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 10:10:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.kukulies.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.kukulies.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wB7K_rMoZgzw; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 10:10:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: from christophs-macbook-pro.fritz.box (p57b45204.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [87.180.82.4]) by mail.kukulies.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A426F102769; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 10:10:34 +0200 (CEST) From: Christoph Kukulies Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_00C3F3DA-6C52-49B2-BE31-907D2CFA1BE6"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.1\)) Subject: Re: smartd reports Currently unreadable sectors Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 10:10:33 +0200 In-Reply-To: <708a7f45-76ce-bbc0-8d56-435e3079a7ae@holgerdanske.com> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org To: David Christensen References: <818E85E7-D327-4444-8BA8-E7C06CC1C5E6@kukulies.org> <708a7f45-76ce-bbc0-8d56-435e3079a7ae@holgerdanske.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.1) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BWgSx5g7tz4NrB X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kuku@kukulies.org has no SPF policy when checking 116.203.115.43) smtp.mailfrom=kuku@kukulies.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.96 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_SPACES(0.50)[]; FREEFALL_USER(0.00)[kuku]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; SIGNED_SMIME(-2.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; HAS_ATTACHMENT(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[kukulies.org]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.86)[-0.859]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:116.203.0.0/16, country:DE]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[87.180.82.4:received] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 08:10:44 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_00C3F3DA-6C52-49B2-BE31-907D2CFA1BE6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Thanks. I ran the quicktest in DOSDLG.EXE and it didn=E2=80=99t expose = any errors. Will do an extensive test later, when I=E2=80=99ll have backed up the = medium. =E2=80=94 Christoph > Am 14.08.2020 um 22:59 schrieb David Christensen = : >=20 > On 2020-08-14 00:15, Christoph Kukulies wrote: >> smartd reports: >> Aug 14 08:06:02 pc235 smartd[797]: Device: /dev/ada1, 2 Offline = uncorrectable sectors >> Aug 14 08:36:01 pc235 smartd[797]: Device: /dev/ada1, 2 Currently = unreadable (pending) sectors >> ada1: ATA8-ACS SATA 2.x device >> ada1: Serial Number WD-WMAV50596027 >> ada1: 300.000MB/s transfers (SATA 2.x, UDMA6, PIO 8192bytes) >> ada1: Command Queueing enabled >> ada1: 953869MB (1953525168 512 byte sectors) >> Time to replace the drive or what measures can I take? >> -- >> Christoph >=20 >=20 > First, backup your data. >=20 >=20 > I maintain one machine with a Windows installation. 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freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 08:19:40 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_3272541D-1DF3-4536-A7AE-4D9697B42F55 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Just want to inform about the progress accessing the 5.25=E2=80=9C = drive. It turned out that the cabling of the TEAC-55GFR was wrong. The = ASRock939A790GMH MB supports only one floppy drive. It comes with a cable to connect that = one 3.5=E2=80=9C drive with the typical twist in the cable. To connect the 5.25 drive I needed a cable with an edge connector. So I = pressed an edge connector to the cable, but did that before the twist, resulting in that I had to jumper the = drive to Device 0. That resulted in the spindle motor not running when the drive was = selected. In the docs for that drive (TEAC) I found a=20 remark, saying that you have to connect pins 10 and 16 when the drive is = run as Device 0 on a straight cable. That was all the mess behind it. Now I can happily use fdread to access = the drive. =E2=80=94 Christoph > Am 14.08.2020 um 12:50 schrieb Christoph Kukulies : >=20 > First problem was to recognize the 5.25=E2=80=9C drive from the BIOS. > This MB seems to only support one floppydrive. It comes with an ASUS = branded point to point cable (one connector only). >=20 > At least I managed that FBSD now recognizes the drive: >=20 > fdc0: port 0x3f0-0x3f5,0x3f7 irq 6 drq = 2 on acpi0 > fd0: <1200-KB 5.25" drive> on fdc0 drive 0 >=20 > But when I=E2=80=99m trying to > d# dd if=3D/dev/fd0 of=3Dfd_dump=20 > dd: /dev/fd0: Device not configured > 0+0 records in > 0+0 records out > 0 bytes transferred in 0.000252 secs (0 bytes/sec) > #=20 >=20 >=20 > Do I have to specify special blocksize? >=20 > =E2=80=94 > Christoph >=20 >> Am 14.08.2020 um 10:57 schrieb Olivier : >>=20 >> Christoph >>=20 >>>> I=E2=80=99m trying to access a 5.25=E2=80=9C floppy disk drive if = anyone here knowing what a =E2=80=9Efloppy=E2=80=9C disk drive is. :) >>>=20 >>>> MB is a ASRock939A790GMH >>>=20 >>>> I see the drive in the BIOS although I=E2=80=99m not sure if it is = really =E2=80=9Econnected=E2=80=9C. >>>=20 >>>> Anyway, the FreeBSD (12.1) boot doesn=E2=80=99t see the hardware at = all. >>=20 >> Launch any old live OS that still had support for floppies and = migrate >> your data. >>=20 >> You should be able to find old ditribution of some Linux, or even = WinXP. >>=20 >> Olivier >=20 --Apple-Mail=_3272541D-1DF3-4536-A7AE-4D9697B42F55 Content-Disposition: attachment; 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From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Aug 19 09:03:11 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AA313B82AD for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 09:03:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from holgerdanske.com (holgerdanske.com [184.105.128.27]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "www.holgerdanske.com", Issuer "www.holgerdanske.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BWhdQ4qHKz4SwX for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 09:03:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from 99.100.19.101 (99-100-19-101.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net [99.100.19.101]) by holgerdanske.com with ESMTPSA (TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:TLSv1.3:Kx=any:Au=any:Enc=AESGCM(128):Mac=AEAD) (SMTP-AUTH username dpchrist@holgerdanske.com, mechanism PLAIN) for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 02:02:54 -0700 Subject: Re: smartd reports Currently unreadable sectors To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <818E85E7-D327-4444-8BA8-E7C06CC1C5E6@kukulies.org> <708a7f45-76ce-bbc0-8d56-435e3079a7ae@holgerdanske.com> From: David Christensen Message-ID: <665b5ca7-908d-532b-4e36-331ffa538238@holgerdanske.com> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 02:02:54 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BWhdQ4qHKz4SwX X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dpchrist@holgerdanske.com has no SPF policy when checking 184.105.128.27) smtp.mailfrom=dpchrist@holgerdanske.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.12 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(1.22)[1.218]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[184.105.128.27:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[holgerdanske.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:184.104.0.0/15, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 09:03:11 -0000 On 2020-08-19 01:10, Christoph Kukulies wrote: >> Am 14.08.2020 um 22:59 schrieb David Christensen : >> >> On 2020-08-14 00:15, Christoph Kukulies wrote: >>> smartd reports: >>> Aug 14 08:06:02 pc235 smartd[797]: Device: /dev/ada1, 2 Offline uncorrectable sectors >>> Aug 14 08:36:01 pc235 smartd[797]: Device: /dev/ada1, 2 Currently unreadable (pending) sectors >>> ada1: ATA8-ACS SATA 2.x device >>> ada1: Serial Number WD-WMAV50596027 >>> ada1: 300.000MB/s transfers (SATA 2.x, UDMA6, PIO 8192bytes) >>> ada1: Command Queueing enabled >>> ada1: 953869MB (1953525168 512 byte sectors) >>> Time to replace the drive or what measures can I take? >>> -- >>> Christoph >> >> >> First, backup your data. >> >> >> I maintain one machine with a Windows installation. I would move the drive into that machine and run "Data Lifeguard Diagnostic for Windows": >> >> https://support.wdc.com/downloads.aspx?lang=en >> >> >> Here is a link to an older bootable USB stick version: >> >> https://support.wdc.com/downloads.aspx?p=2 >> >> >> David > Thanks. I ran the quicktest in DOSDLG.EXE and it didn’t expose any errors. > > Will do an extensive test later, when I’ll have backed up the medium. > > — > Christoph I advise that you run all available tests. Once your data is backed up, consider running more aggressive diagnostics, such as "zero", "fix", etc.. I have seen drives that pass tests, fail to zero, and then pass everything after being fixed. Depending upon your tolerance for risk, a drive with known bad blocks that have been identified and removed from service by the drive controller may still be of use to you. But eventually, every drive will fail. It can be interesting to run smartctl tests/ reports before, in between, and after the manufacturer diagnostics, and then diff the reports to see what is changing. It can be useful to mark and keep a few failed drives for testing purposes. David From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Aug 19 09:03:37 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 577E33B848C for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 09:03:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kuku@kukulies.org) Received: from mail.kukulies.org (mail.kukulies.org [116.203.115.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BWhf04BDMz4Swx for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 09:03:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kuku@kukulies.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.kukulies.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E15B710276A for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 11:03:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.kukulies.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.kukulies.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id L04OT2n_PiQF for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 11:03:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from christophs-macbook-pro.fritz.box (p57b45204.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [87.180.82.4]) by mail.kukulies.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8B4C1102769 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 11:03:35 +0200 (CEST) From: Christoph Kukulies Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_D36C1D32-C17F-4C47-9946-31979C6252BE"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.1\)) Subject: Mounting ext2fs - unsupported features: needs_recovery Message-Id: <9C03454A-F9B5-48A9-BDAB-C02BB1C6452B@kukulies.org> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 11:03:35 +0200 To: Ruben via freebsd-questions X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.1) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BWhf04BDMz4Swx X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kuku@kukulies.org has no SPF policy when checking 116.203.115.43) smtp.mailfrom=kuku@kukulies.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.20 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FREEFALL_USER(0.00)[kuku]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; SIGNED_SMIME(-2.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,multipart/alternative,text/plain]; HAS_ATTACHMENT(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[kukulies.org]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.40)[0.396]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:+,3:~,4:~]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:116.203.0.0/16, country:DE]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[87.180.82.4:received] X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 09:03:37 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_D36C1D32-C17F-4C47-9946-31979C6252BE Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I=E2=80=99m trying to mount a filesystem that is on an external SATA = disk. Partition ID 0x83 (Linux). 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X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 09:11:30 -0000 On Wed, 19 Aug 2020 11:03:35 +0200, Christoph Kukulies wrote: > I’m trying to mount a filesystem that is on an external SATA disk. > Partition ID 0x83 (Linux). > > Trying to do a > > mount -t ext2fs /dev/da5s3 /mnt/da5s3 > mount: /dev/da5s3: Invalid argument > # > > syslog message is: > > WARNING: mount of da5s3 denied due to unsupported optional features: > needs_recovery Maybe this is ext3 or ext4? Try using the ext4 FUSE module (install sysutils/fusefs-ext4fuse, "kldload fuse", "service fusefs start", and use the ext4fuse program to mount). If you only want read access, using -r or -o ro is always a good idea. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Aug 19 09:12:56 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 859093B86FE for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 09:12:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from holgerdanske.com (holgerdanske.com [184.105.128.27]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "www.holgerdanske.com", Issuer "www.holgerdanske.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BWhrk1t6wz4TRV for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 09:12:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from 99.100.19.101 (99-100-19-101.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net [99.100.19.101]) by holgerdanske.com with ESMTPSA (TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:TLSv1.3:Kx=any:Au=any:Enc=AESGCM(128):Mac=AEAD) (SMTP-AUTH username dpchrist@holgerdanske.com, mechanism PLAIN) for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 02:12:51 -0700 Subject: Re: Mounting ext2fs - unsupported features: needs_recovery To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <9C03454A-F9B5-48A9-BDAB-C02BB1C6452B@kukulies.org> From: David Christensen Message-ID: <53d0d264-bf44-a133-5646-0aa770b1f5d4@holgerdanske.com> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 02:12:51 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <9C03454A-F9B5-48A9-BDAB-C02BB1C6452B@kukulies.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BWhrk1t6wz4TRV X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dpchrist@holgerdanske.com has no SPF policy when checking 184.105.128.27) smtp.mailfrom=dpchrist@holgerdanske.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.12 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(1.22)[1.217]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[184.105.128.27:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[holgerdanske.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:184.104.0.0/15, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 09:12:56 -0000 On 2020-08-19 02:03, Christoph Kukulies wrote: > I’m trying to mount a filesystem that is on an external SATA disk. Partition ID 0x83 (Linux). > > Trying to do a > > mount -t ext2fs /dev/da5s3 /mnt/da5s3 > mount: /dev/da5s3: Invalid argument > # > > syslog message is: > > WARNING: mount of da5s3 denied due to unsupported optional features: > needs_recovery > > — > Christoph Are you certain the filesystem is ext2? Have you tried connecting the disk to a Linux system and running e2fsck(8)? David From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Aug 19 09:14:10 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6FB23B8C01 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 09:14:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kuku@kukulies.org) Received: from mail.kukulies.org (mail.kukulies.org [116.203.115.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BWht95Zk9z4ThD for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 09:14:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kuku@kukulies.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.kukulies.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B7C210276A; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 11:14:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.kukulies.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.kukulies.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ykPomKMlaWjt; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 11:14:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: from christophs-macbook-pro.fritz.box (p57b45204.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [87.180.82.4]) by mail.kukulies.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 65DFA102769; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 11:14:08 +0200 (CEST) From: Christoph Kukulies Message-Id: <2B85AB2F-8A42-4198-9EC7-E0DC761FA554@kukulies.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_5EF2A2AF-9945-45E7-8524-9CDBA7135FB1"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.1\)) Subject: Re: Mounting ext2fs - unsupported features: needs_recovery Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 11:14:07 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20200819111127.0ad5f54e.freebsd@edvax.de> Cc: Ruben via freebsd-questions To: Polytropon References: <9C03454A-F9B5-48A9-BDAB-C02BB1C6452B@kukulies.org> <20200819111127.0ad5f54e.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.1) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BWht95Zk9z4ThD X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kuku@kukulies.org has no SPF policy when checking 116.203.115.43) smtp.mailfrom=kuku@kukulies.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.51 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FREEFALL_USER(0.00)[kuku]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; SIGNED_SMIME(-2.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.09)[0.091]; HAS_ATTACHMENT(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,multipart/alternative,text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[kukulies.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:+,3:~,4:~]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:116.203.0.0/16, country:DE]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[87.180.82.4:received] X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 09:14:10 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_5EF2A2AF-9945-45E7-8524-9CDBA7135FB1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Did so, but=E2=80=A6 Installing fusefs-ext4fuse-0.1.3_1,1... Please note that that this port only supports ext4 in read-only mode. You might want to consider using sysutils/fusefs-ext2 which supports ext2, ext3 and ext4 with read write support. =3D=3D=3D> NOTICE: This port is deprecated; you may wish to reconsider installing it: Please consider using sysutils/fusefs-ext2 as upstream development is = stalled. Contrary to what its name suggests it supports ext2, ext3, = ext4 in read/write mode.. It is scheduled to be removed on or after 2019-12-01. and later=E2=80=A6: =3D=3D=3D> e2fsprogs-1.45.3_2 has known vulnerabilities: e2fsprogs-1.45.3_2 is vulnerable: e2fsprogs -- rehash.c/pass 3a mutate_name() code execution vulnerability CVE: CVE-2019-5188 WWW: = https://vuxml.FreeBSD.org/freebsd/8b61308b-322a-11ea-b34b-1de6fb24355d.htm= l e2fsprogs-1.45.3_2 is vulnerable: e2fsprogs -- maliciously corrupted file systems can trigger buffer = overruns in the quota code used by e2fsck CVE: CVE-2019-5094 WWW: = https://vuxml.FreeBSD.org/freebsd/ad3451b9-23e0-11ea-8b36-f1925a339a82.htm= l 2 problem(s) in 1 installed package(s) found. =3D> Please update your ports tree and try again. =3D> Note: Vulnerable ports are marked as such even if there is no = update available. =3D> If you wish to ignore this vulnerability rebuild with 'make = DISABLE_VULNERABILITIES=3Dyes' *** Error code 1 Stop. make[2]: stopped in /usr/ports/sysutils/e2fsprogs *** Error code 1 Stop. make[1]: stopped in /usr/ports/sysutils/e2fsprogs *** Error code 1 Stop. make: stopped in /usr/ports/sysutils/fusefs-ext2 > Am 19.08.2020 um 11:11 schrieb Polytropon : >=20 > On Wed, 19 Aug 2020 11:03:35 +0200, Christoph Kukulies wrote: >> I=E2=80=99m trying to mount a filesystem that is on an external SATA = disk. >> Partition ID 0x83 (Linux). >>=20 >> Trying to do a=20 >>=20 >> mount -t ext2fs /dev/da5s3 /mnt/da5s3 >> mount: /dev/da5s3: Invalid argument >> #=20 >>=20 >> syslog message is: >>=20 >> WARNING: mount of da5s3 denied due to unsupported optional features: >> needs_recovery=20 >=20 > Maybe this is ext3 or ext4? Try using the ext4 FUSE module > (install sysutils/fusefs-ext4fuse, "kldload fuse", "service > fusefs start", and use the ext4fuse program to mount). 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(p57a1fff5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [87.161.255.245]) by mail.kukulies.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1D2FE102769; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 13:10:28 +0200 (CEST) From: Christoph Kukulies Message-Id: <1AAB1494-EACB-4901-B92F-4350DBDCF152@kukulies.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_9F210B1C-0D7C-450C-87E1-B1FEFD113F50"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.1\)) Subject: Re: Mounting ext2fs - unsupported features: needs_recovery Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 13:10:27 +0200 In-Reply-To: <53d0d264-bf44-a133-5646-0aa770b1f5d4@holgerdanske.com> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org To: David Christensen References: <9C03454A-F9B5-48A9-BDAB-C02BB1C6452B@kukulies.org> <53d0d264-bf44-a133-5646-0aa770b1f5d4@holgerdanske.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.1) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BWlSQ4Gytz4byt X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of 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List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 11:10:34 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_9F210B1C-0D7C-450C-87E1-B1FEFD113F50 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Meanwhile, after connecting the drive to an Ubuntu system where it = probably was undergone an automatic fsck and had been mounted, I went back to FBSD with the drive and I was able to mount it. =E2=80=94 Christoph > Am 19.08.2020 um 11:12 schrieb David Christensen = : >=20 > On 2020-08-19 02:03, Christoph Kukulies wrote: >> I=E2=80=99m trying to mount a filesystem that is on an external SATA = disk. Partition ID 0x83 (Linux). >> Trying to do a >> mount -t ext2fs /dev/da5s3 /mnt/da5s3 >> mount: /dev/da5s3: Invalid argument >> # >> syslog message is: >> WARNING: mount of da5s3 denied due to unsupported optional features: >> needs_recovery >> =E2=80=94 >> Christoph >=20 > Are you certain the filesystem is ext2? >=20 >=20 > Have you tried connecting the disk to a Linux system and running = e2fsck(8)? >=20 >=20 > David >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" --Apple-Mail=_9F210B1C-0D7C-450C-87E1-B1FEFD113F50 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=smime.p7s Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name=smime.p7s Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExDzANBglghkgBZQMEAgEFADCABgkqhkiG9w0BBwEAAKCCCc0w 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Message-Id: Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 13:31:07 +0200 To: Ruben via freebsd-questions X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.1) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BWlwF51wbz4dV9 X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kuku@kukulies.org has no SPF policy when checking 116.203.115.43) smtp.mailfrom=kuku@kukulies.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.58 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ATTACHMENT(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:116.203.0.0/16, country:DE]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[87.161.255.245:received]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FREEFALL_USER(0.00)[kuku]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:+,3:~,4:~]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; SIGNED_SMIME(-2.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[kukulies.org]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.18)[0.182]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 11:31:11 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_90A54F2C-0535-4228-8191-630B1A4365AB Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I had this /dev/da4 external USB drive connected to the system and had = mounted /dev/da4s3 to /mnt. After unmounting, are there any other measures to cleanly disconnect the = device? I found that someone wrote to use camcontrol eject This is my picture: dev/da0 /dev/da3 /dev/da4s2 /dev/da5 /dev/da1 /dev/da4 /dev/da4s3 /dev/da5p1 /dev/da2 /dev/da4s1 /dev/da4s4 /dev/da5p2 # camcontrol devlist at scbus0 target 0 lun 0 (ada0,pass0) at scbus1 target 0 lun 0 (ada1,pass1) at scbus2 target 0 lun 0 = (ada2,pass2) at scbus3 target 0 lun 0 (ada3,pass3) at scbus4 target 0 lun 0 (cd0,pass4) at scbus6 target 1 lun 0 (cd1,pass5) at scbus7 target 0 lun 0 (da0,pass6) at scbus7 target 1 lun 0 (da1,pass7) at scbus7 target 2 lun 0 (da2,pass8) at scbus7 target 3 lun 0 (da3,pass9) at scbus8 target 0 lun 0 (da4,pass10) at scbus8 target 0 lun 1 (da5,pass11) # camcontrol eject da4 Error received from stop unit command ? =E2=80=94 Christoph --Apple-Mail=_90A54F2C-0535-4228-8191-630B1A4365AB Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=smime.p7s Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name=smime.p7s Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 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Usually not. If umount has been executed, and you wait a few seconds in order to let the command be finished successfully by the USB drive's firmware (last things to be written are _actually_ written), disconnect is possible at any time. The important thing to consider is that the filesystem should always be in a consistent state - that's what umount will accomplish. Due to the fact that "things need some time", waiting a few seconds is never wrong. After that, disconnecting power is no problem. > I found that someone wrote to use > > camcontrol eject This is not needed - except the device in question is an optical unit, in that case it's optional, but convenient, in most cases. :-) > This is my picture: > > dev/da0 /dev/da3 /dev/da4s2 /dev/da5 > /dev/da1 /dev/da4 /dev/da4s3 /dev/da5p1 > /dev/da2 /dev/da4s1 /dev/da4s4 /dev/da5p2 > # camcontrol devlist > at scbus0 target 0 lun 0 (ada0,pass0) > at scbus1 target 0 lun 0 (ada1,pass1) > at scbus2 target 0 lun 0 (ada2,pass2) > at scbus3 target 0 lun 0 (ada3,pass3) > at scbus4 target 0 lun 0 (cd0,pass4) > at scbus6 target 1 lun 0 (cd1,pass5) > at scbus7 target 0 lun 0 (da0,pass6) > at scbus7 target 1 lun 0 (da1,pass7) > at scbus7 target 2 lun 0 (da2,pass8) > at scbus7 target 3 lun 0 (da3,pass9) > at scbus8 target 0 lun 0 (da4,pass10) > at scbus8 target 0 lun 1 (da5,pass11) > # camcontrol eject da4 > Error received from stop unit command Not all USB devices implement the "eject" command _and_ reply that they have successfully executed it. That command is typically used for optical units, tape drives, and other kinds of drives where you eject a medium (!) from the drive. For USB-connected direct access media such as USB sticks, USB hard disks, USB-to-(P/S)ATA adapters or USB SSDs, this is not needed. Power off is enough. The "eject" command is often seen as a counterpart of the "load" command for those kinds of drives that support it. >From "man camcontrol": load Send the SCSI Start/Stop Unit (0x1B) command to the given device with the start bit set and the load/eject bit set. eject Send the SCSI Start/Stop Unit (0x1B) command to the given device with the start bit cleared and the load/eject bit set. Clearly, none of this applies to USB sticks. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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If umount has been executed, and you wait a few > seconds in order to let the command be finished successfully > by the USB drive's firmware (last things to be written are > _actually_ written), disconnect is possible at any time. The > important thing to consider is that the filesystem should > always be in a consistent state - that's what umount will > accomplish. Due to the fact that "things need some time", > waiting a few seconds is never wrong. After that, disconnecting > power is no problem. A note: it is perfectly safe to disconnect device any time after umount has returned. The one problem is umount may take anything between a second and a few hours (!) to return. This depends on whether the filesystem was mounted as sync or async (the default). When fs is mounted with sync option on, I/O is very slow - ~10x slower than with async. With async option on at the time of mount, I/O is much faster, the algorithmic complexity of the code dealing with the I/O is much higher, and a whole lot of data may remain unflushed even after an I/O command (cp for instance) has returned. It is at the time of umount all this data gets flushed - although you can manually force the flush yourself with `sync`, in which case `umount` will return quickly. 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To: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.16455 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Apache-HttpAsyncClient/4.1.4 (Java/11.0.7) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BWsPZ5HNWz40pQ X-Spamd-Bar: - X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.10 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yahoo.com:s=s2048]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yahoo.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[yahoo.com,reject]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[66.163.184.146:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.40)[-0.398]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com,pr0f3ss0r1492@yahoo.com]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[66.163.184.146:from]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36646, ipnet:66.163.184.0/21, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com,pr0f3ss0r1492@yahoo.com]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[yahoo.com:dkim] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 15:38:28 -0000 [Previously posted to freebsd-ports@ but no joy there] Hi, % freebsd-version 12.1-RELEASE-p8 less in base: % less --version less 530 (POSIX regular expressions) Before installing less from ports: % which less /usr/bin/less setenv LESS "-i -m +Gg" setenv TERM xterm As you know, old less 530 in base doesn't support scrolling down with the mouse, so I have installed less from ports. % /usr/local/bin/less --version less 551 (PCRE regular expressions) and I have updated my environment variables: setenv PAGER /usr/local/bin/less setenv LESS "--mouse --wheel-lines=3 -i -m +Gg" I might have used wrong syntax here ^, but now, if I use less or man, I can scroll down, but I cannot copy text with the mouse. If I try, the screen will flash. If I revert to /usr/bin/less, I regain the capability of copying text but I lose the scroll down function. As a term of comparison, I can use less with the mouse and scroll down in pretty much all other *BSD and Linux without specifying the "--mouse" flag. Any help will be appreciated. -- Ottavio Caruso From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Aug 19 15:40:34 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C9953C1DB2 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 15:40:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kuku@kukulies.org) Received: from mail.kukulies.org (mail.kukulies.org [116.203.115.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BWsS14TQ1z419h for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 15:40:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kuku@kukulies.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.kukulies.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2E6310276A for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 17:40:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.kukulies.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.kukulies.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4_saTu5Dwsd7 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 17:40:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: from christophs-macbook-pro.fritz.box (p57a1fff5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [87.161.255.245]) by mail.kukulies.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 48742102769 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 17:40:32 +0200 (CEST) From: Christoph Kukulies Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_7197B501-9E2B-4830-8055-A2860A9AD3E1"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.1\)) Subject: binutils for 68k cross-compiling Message-Id: <96922D5D-E4C9-46AF-9A21-4530AFE83792@kukulies.org> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 17:40:31 +0200 To: Ruben via freebsd-questions X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.1) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BWsS14TQ1z419h X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kuku@kukulies.org has no SPF policy when checking 116.203.115.43) smtp.mailfrom=kuku@kukulies.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.61 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FREEFALL_USER(0.00)[kuku]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; SIGNED_SMIME(-2.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; HAS_ATTACHMENT(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[kukulies.org]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.01)[-0.005]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:116.203.0.0/16, country:DE]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[87.161.255.245:received] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 15:40:34 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_7197B501-9E2B-4830-8055-A2860A9AD3E1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Just a question:=20 I=E2=80=99m in the need of getting a piece of 68k assembly code cross = compiled. I found these instructions: = https://darkdust.net/writings/megadrive/crosscompiler which rely on downloading the binutils from the GNU site. My question: is there a package in FreeBSD that already contains the = binutils in a form suitable for cross compilation to various architectures. Aim is to convert a 68k assembly source to STM32 code. = There is this gcc-arm-none-eabi-8-2018-q4-major which I=E2=80=99ll be using for STM32 cross assembly. =E2=80=94 Christoph --Apple-Mail=_7197B501-9E2B-4830-8055-A2860A9AD3E1 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=smime.p7s Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name=smime.p7s Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExDzANBglghkgBZQMEAgEFADCABgkqhkiG9w0BBwEAAKCCCc0w ggSQMIIDeKADAgECAggYVYMhomAL1zANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQsFADBmMQswCQYDVQQGEwJERTEzMDEG A1UECgwqREdOIERldXRzY2hlcyBHZXN1bmRoZWl0c25ldHogU2VydmljZSBHbWJIMSIwIAYDVQQD DBlkZ25zZXJ2aWNlIENBIDIgVHlwZSBFOlBOMB4XDTIwMDUxNjE1Mjc1OVoXDTIxMDUxNjE1Mjc1 OVowbzELMAkGA1UEBhMCREUxITAfBgNVBAUTGDQwMDAwMDAwNWVjMDA4ZGQzNzNhZDhlYzEbMBkG A1UEAwwSQ2hyaXN0b3BoIEt1a3VsaWVzMSAwHgYJKoZIhvcNAQkBFhFrdWt1QGt1a3VsaWVzLm9y ZzCCASIwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEBBQADggEPADCCAQoCggEBAKug1655hQWRmOtGAShZLbMwDtrm7rAH 7p1oPtE/5KpTpJZe8LHPxxvW0EAd2JcLtEhdvAi7smhZ/giJ3IBK7OYmdaCvuQ6MFvJpkmLkQ9TO 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owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Aug 19 15:44:42 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E06B83C1E65 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 15:44:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from nightmare.dreamchaser.org (ns.dreamchaser.org [66.109.141.57]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "dreamchaser.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BWsXn3mkXz41SP for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 15:44:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from breakaway.dreamchaser.org (breakaway [192.168.151.122]) by nightmare.dreamchaser.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 07JFiTfZ037749; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 09:44:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Subject: Re: Correct way to disconnect/eject an USB hard disk ? To: Manish Jain , Polytropon , Christoph Kukulies Cc: Ruben via freebsd-questions References: <20200819142952.3686baa8.freebsd@edvax.de> From: Gary Aitken Reply-To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org Message-ID: Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 09:42:59 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.11.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.2 (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [192.168.151.101]); Wed, 19 Aug 2020 09:44:29 -0600 (MDT) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BWsXn3mkXz41SP X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@dreamchaser.org designates 66.109.141.57 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@dreamchaser.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.85 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@dreamchaser.org]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.15)[0.152]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[dreamchaser.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[hotmail.com,edvax.de,kukulies.org]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; ASN(0.00)[asn:21947, ipnet:66.109.128.0/19, country:US]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 15:44:42 -0000 On 8/19/20 6:42 AM, Manish Jain wrote: > > > On 2020-08-19 17:59, Polytropon wrote: >>> After unmounting, are there any other measures to cleanly >>> disconnect the device? >> Usually not. If umount has been executed, and you wait a few >> seconds in order to let the command be finished successfully by the >> USB drive's firmware (last things to be written are _actually_ >> written), disconnect is possible at any time. The important thing >> to consider is that the filesystem should always be in a consistent >> state - that's what umount will accomplish. Due to the fact that >> "things need some time", waiting a few seconds is never wrong. >> After that, disconnecting power is no problem. > > > A note: it is perfectly safe to disconnect device any time after > umount has returned. The one problem is umount may take anything > between a second and a few hours (!) to return. This depends on > whether the filesystem was mounted as sync or async (the default). > > When fs is mounted with sync option on, I/O is very slow - ~10x > slower than with async. > > With async option on at the time of mount, I/O is much faster, the > algorithmic complexity of the code dealing with the I/O is much > higher, and a whole lot of data may remain unflushed even after an > I/O command (cp for instance) has returned. It is at the time of > umount all this data gets flushed - although you can manually force > the flush yourself with `sync`, in which case `umount` will return > quickly. Can you explain why I have seen umount commands return, and then the USB device "activity" light keeps blinking? I have on occasion waited for a while and it keeps blinking, and eventually I just unplugged it. 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While umount could return when data has been sent into the > flash buffer, the device still has to internally reallocate the data to > main storage (as might be the case with SSHD: solid state hybrid disk). > In such case, it would be prudent to wait for the LED to stop blinking > before unplugging the device. But if the LED keeps blinking forever, I > would think there is some fault with the LED itself. > > Poly, your comments ? > > > Regards, > Manish Jain I have an idea which you could use to test the LED's goodness. Connect the device, mount, and copy in a few large files (3 or more ~1 GB video files should be okay) into the device (with `cp -v`). Note the name of the last file to get copied. Immediately after cp returns, umount. Immediately after umount returns, unplug. Replug the device and remount. If cmp indicates the last copied large file is the same as the original, your LED is faulty. 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No idea, Gary. But umount only returns when pending I/O has been flushed to the device. If the device's activity LED still keeps blinking, there are two explanations I can think of : 1) The LED sensor is either faulty or is simply signalling availability of power (in case there is no separate power LED). 2) The device has some internal flash storage intermediate to its main storage area. While umount could return when data has been sent into the flash buffer, the device still has to internally reallocate the data to main storage (as might be the case with SSHD: solid state hybrid disk). In such case, it would be prudent to wait for the LED to stop blinking before unplugging the device. But if the LED keeps blinking forever, I would think there is some fault with the LED itself. Poly, your comments ? Regards, Manish Jain From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Aug 19 19:06:51 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBB603C7604 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 19:06:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Received: from bucksport.safeport.com (bucksport.safeport.com [198.74.231.101]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BWy225X12z4RKQ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 19:06:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Received: from bucksport.safeport.com (bucksport.safeport.com [198.74.231.101]) by bucksport.safeport.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id 07JJ6ij6028975; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 15:06:44 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 15:06:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Doug Denault To: Allan Jude cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd-update - Cannot identify running kernel In-Reply-To: <9fcb5ad6-7a73-007d-4fde-ff240ee6275b@freebsd.org> Message-ID: References: <9fcb5ad6-7a73-007d-4fde-ff240ee6275b@freebsd.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (bucksport.safeport.com [198.74.231.101]); Wed, 19 Aug 2020 15:06:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BWy225X12z4RKQ X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of doug@safeport.com designates 198.74.231.101 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=doug@safeport.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.50 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.50)[-0.500]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:198.74.231.101]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[safeport.com]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.10)[0.102]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:11288, ipnet:198.74.228.0/22, country:US]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; ONCE_RECEIVED(0.10)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 19:06:51 -0000 On Wed, 19 Aug 2020, Allan Jude wrote: > You likely want to migrate away from having a separate bootpool, as > described here: > > https://ftfl.ca/blog/2016-09-17-zfs-fde-one-pool-conversion.html > > You can't really use boot environments with a separate boot pool. It was > only necessary in the paste when the FreeBSD boot code did not support > reading from encrypted disks. > > -- > Allan Jude Ah thanks for the info. I've already left that configuration behind. freebsd-update tossed in bootpool in the going back and forth I mentioned earlier. I spent some time trying (without any success) to figure out how I broke booting to single user mode. I've reinstalled from a REL 12.1 image. It's time to do some actual work on this system. I found the 12.1 guided install pretty logical. I will try to figure out later if one-size fits all is the right way to go if one does not work for yahoo or netflix. ZFS mastery is not as hard to read as the derivation of the universal constant, but close enough :) _____ Douglas Denault http://www.safeport.com doug@safeport.com Voice: 301-217-9220 Fax: 301-217-9277 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Aug 19 21:46:03 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 182C03CA428 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 21:46:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from holgerdanske.com (holgerdanske.com [184.105.128.27]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "www.holgerdanske.com", Issuer "www.holgerdanske.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BX1Yk0dsKz4b3B for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 21:46:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from 99.100.19.101 (99-100-19-101.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net [99.100.19.101]) by holgerdanske.com with ESMTPSA (TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:TLSv1.3:Kx=any:Au=any:Enc=AESGCM(128):Mac=AEAD) (SMTP-AUTH username dpchrist@holgerdanske.com, mechanism PLAIN) for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 14:45:56 -0700 Subject: Re: Mounting ext2fs - unsupported features: needs_recovery To: Christoph Kukulies Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <9C03454A-F9B5-48A9-BDAB-C02BB1C6452B@kukulies.org> <53d0d264-bf44-a133-5646-0aa770b1f5d4@holgerdanske.com> <1AAB1494-EACB-4901-B92F-4350DBDCF152@kukulies.org> From: David Christensen Message-ID: <0ca793df-7249-95b8-cccb-950b9439fae8@holgerdanske.com> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 14:45:55 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1AAB1494-EACB-4901-B92F-4350DBDCF152@kukulies.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BX1Yk0dsKz4b3B X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dpchrist@holgerdanske.com has no SPF policy when checking 184.105.128.27) smtp.mailfrom=dpchrist@holgerdanske.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.05 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[holgerdanske.com]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.09)[0.087]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.94)[-0.937]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[184.105.128.27:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:184.104.0.0/15, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 21:46:03 -0000 On 2020-08-19 04:10, Christoph Kukulies wrote: > Meanwhile, after connecting the drive to an Ubuntu system where it probably was undergone an automatic fsck and had been mounted, > I went back to FBSD with the drive and I was able to mount it. Wow -- "automagic" that is actually useful. :-) David From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Aug 20 02:44:07 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27F7B3AA5A6 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 02:44:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.135]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BX89d4VcXz4v38 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 02:44:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([94.222.20.202]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue011 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MI59b-1juY3i2hEt-00FCNZ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 04:43:53 +0200 Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 04:43:52 +0200 From: Polytropon To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org Cc: Manish Jain , Christoph Kukulies , Ruben via freebsd-questions Subject: Re: Correct way to disconnect/eject an USB hard disk ? 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I have on occasion waited > for a while and it keeps blinking, and eventually I just unplugged it. The "OS-side interface" to external USB-connected storage does not exactly know what happens inside the controller. The LED activity is defined by the firmware, which is not disclosed by the manufacturer. While the OS, upon "umount", basically says: "Here's the last chunk of data, sync it, I'll detach /mnt from my VFS tree when you said you're done." The USB controller accepts and confirms the last chunk of data, reports back "Got it, everything is fine." Now the umount command does what it says on the can, it unmounts the medium, and returns control to the user. Now _internally_ the USB stick is still busy _actually_ writing the last chunk of data to its storage, and the firmware says: "Whenever you access the internal storage, for whatever reason, make the LED flash." That's probably what you're observing. The idea of "just give it a few seconds after you physically remove the USB stick" relies on the assumption that such kind of activity takes place outside the control of the OS, and the OS has no real way of discovering what's really happening at that point. A few seconds are commonly enough to make sure the processes internal to the controller and its firmware have successfully finished, and the filesystem (and data in general) on the USB stick is in the expected state. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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Nothing more, nothing less. As you see, this has nothing to do with the data being written to the actual storage medium - this happens internally, controlled by the firmware of the USB stick. > If the device's activity LED still keeps blinking, there are two=20 > explanations I can think of : >=20 > 1) The LED sensor is either faulty or is simply signalling availability=20 > of power (in case there is no separate power LED). The firmware defines when and how the LED will be blinking. There is no real standardized concept: Some USB sticks show constant light when powered on, and flashing light when reading or writing, while others show short blinking when being connected, and long blinking when reading or writing, with the LED off during inactivity. > 2) The device has some internal flash storage intermediate to its main=20 > storage area. While umount could return when data has been sent into the= =20 > flash buffer, the device still has to internally reallocate the data to=20 > main storage (as might be the case with SSHD: solid state hybrid disk).=20 > In such case, it would be prudent to wait for the LED to stop blinking=20 > before unplugging the device. But if the LED keeps blinking forever, I=20 > would think there is some fault with the LED itself. If the LED keeps blinking for no obvious (!) reason, it might be a faulty USB stick, but there are many other possible explanations, such as buggy firmware (blinks the LED for no reason because it's stuck in a loop) or "internal remapping" because the USB stick is actually busy at a "sub-FS level" trying to compensate faulty memory blocks. However, it might also indicate a compromized system, where something is trying to access the USB stick outside of the control of the user. Some USB sticks don't even have a LED, so in such such cases, the "wait a few seconds" suggestion is the best you can do, and _hope_ for the best. :-) --=20 Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Aug 20 03:02:34 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E547A3ABE17 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 03:02:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.133]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BX8Zx1Mhxz3Sg3 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 03:02:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([94.222.20.202]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue009 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MWRZr-1kAzI53C1b-00XtSM; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 05:02:22 +0200 Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 05:02:22 +0200 From: Polytropon To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd@dreamchaser.org, Manish Jain , Christoph Kukulies Subject: Re: Correct way to disconnect/eject an USB hard disk ? 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It doesn't make sense to wait after disconnecting. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Aug 20 03:43:41 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 106C13ACE5F for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 03:43:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carlj@peak.org) Received: from smtp.email-protect.gosecure.net (smtp.email-protect.gosecure.net [208.80.203.2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.email-protect.gosecure.net", Issuer "Thawte RSA CA 2018" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BX9VM5lYTz3VwJ for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 03:43:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carlj@peak.org) Received: from envoy14.neonova.net ([137.118.58.100]) by smtp.email-protect.gosecure.net ({b8c5aa4e-a204-11ea-b3f2-5d5df31f4132}) via TCP (outbound) with ESMTP id 20200820034329845_00001126 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 20:43:29 -0700 X-RC-FROM: X-RC-RCPT: Received: from elm.localnet (unknown [199.58.99.76]) (Authenticated sender: carlj@peak.org) by envoy14.neonova.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 4BX9V561Ptz9tH3 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 23:43:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localnet ([127.0.0.1] helo=elm.localnet) by elm.localnet with esmtps (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92.3 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1k8bU3-000M57-N6 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 20:43:23 -0700 Received: (from carlj@localhost) by elm.localnet (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id 07K3hNWG084884; Wed, 19 Aug 2020 20:43:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from carlj) From: Carl Johnson To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Mounting ext2fs - unsupported features: needs_recovery References: <9C03454A-F9B5-48A9-BDAB-C02BB1C6452B@kukulies.org> <53d0d264-bf44-a133-5646-0aa770b1f5d4@holgerdanske.com> <1AAB1494-EACB-4901-B92F-4350DBDCF152@kukulies.org> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 20:43:23 -0700 In-Reply-To: <1AAB1494-EACB-4901-B92F-4350DBDCF152@kukulies.org> (Christoph Kukulies's message of "Wed, 19 Aug 2020 13:10:27 +0200") Message-ID: <86y2ma7zj8.fsf@elm.localnet> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MAG-OUTBOUND: greymail.email-protect.gosecure.net@137.118.58.100/32 X-MAG-EWAV: ewavFastFail X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BX9VM5lYTz3VwJ X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=peak.org; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of carlj@peak.org designates 208.80.203.2 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=carlj@peak.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.62 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.83)[-0.834]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:208.80.200.0/21]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.01)[0.013]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[peak.org,none]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:14618, ipnet:208.80.202.0/23, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 03:43:41 -0000 Christoph Kukulies writes: > Meanwhile, after connecting the drive to an Ubuntu system where it > probably was undergone an automatic fsck and had been mounted, > I went back to FBSD with the drive and I was able to mount it. > > =E2=80=94 > Christoph The 'e2fsprogs' port (and package) contain fsck programs for ext2, ext3, ext4, and ext2fs file systems. 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To: questions X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BXH3D70vsz43Mf X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=rjOs/qJX; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of odhiambo@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::c33 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=odhiambo@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.98 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.78)[-0.780]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::c33:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.20)[-0.200]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[questions]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 07:54:02 -0000 Hola, I have a machine with 16GB RAM and not heavily used. I see from `top` some things that I do not understand well. Why would a system use swap when memory is idle? Output of top shown below: last pid: 2272; load averages: 0.07, 0.19, 0.17 up 26+12:09:26 10:49:04 155 processes: 1 running, 154 sleeping CPU: 0.1% user, 0.0% nice, 0.0% system, 0.0% interrupt, 99.9% idle Mem: 799M Active, 6262M Inact, 4964M Laundry, 2465M Wired, 1492M Buf, 1564M Free Swap: 3598M Total, 3530M Used, 67M Free, 98% Inuse -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", grep ^[^#] :-) From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Aug 20 08:58:32 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81DB23B6BAB for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 08:58:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from liedtke@punkt.de) Received: from mail.punkt.de (mail.punkt.de [217.29.41.227]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BXJTg1d2Cz46V5 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 08:58:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from liedtke@punkt.de) Received: from [217.29.46.71] (kagate.punkt.de [217.29.33.131]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.punkt.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1B8DD2F8D5 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 10:58:23 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: Swapping when memory is idle?? 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Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="QxWK0RwueBQHBM76LpgYvo0S8VsHqKLMc" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BXJTg1d2Cz46V5 X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of liedtke@punkt.de designates 217.29.41.227 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=liedtke@punkt.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.01 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:217.29.32.0/20]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,multipart/mixed,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; HAS_ATTACHMENT(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.41)[0.415]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[punkt.de]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.03)[-1.027]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:+,3:~]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16188, ipnet:217.29.32.0/20, country:DE]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 08:58:32 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --QxWK0RwueBQHBM76LpgYvo0S8VsHqKLMc Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="qaJCjrV7oDyEhZGKcUrR3WJQ6CikkEfT4" --qaJCjrV7oDyEhZGKcUrR3WJQ6CikkEfT4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: de-DE Hello, I have something similiar sometimes, e.g. when I had VMs running and stopped them. If the Kernel swapped data during that time, it will not get back things from swap it does not need right now. But there may be more expirienced people being able to explain more. Cheers Lars Am 20.08.20 um 09:53 schrieb Odhiambo Washington: > Hola, > > I have a machine with 16GB RAM and not heavily used. > I see from `top` some things that I do not understand well. > Why would a system use swap when memory is idle? > > Output of top shown below: > > > last pid: 2272; load averages: 0.07, 0.19, 0.17 > > up 26+12:09= :26 > 10:49:04 > 155 processes: 1 running, 154 sleeping > CPU: 0.1% user, 0.0% nice, 0.0% system, 0.0% interrupt, 99.9% idle > Mem: 799M Active, 6262M Inact, 4964M Laundry, 2465M Wired, 1492M Buf, 1= 564M > Free > Swap: 3598M Total, 3530M Used, 67M Free, 98% Inuse > --=20 --- punkt.de GmbH Lars Liedtke =2Einfrastructure Kaiserallee 13a=09 76133 Karlsruhe Tel. +49 721 9109 500 https://infrastructure.punkt.de info@punkt.de AG Mannheim 108285 Gesch=C3=A4ftsf=C3=BChrer: J=C3=BCrgen Egeling, Daniel Lienert, Fabian St= ein --qaJCjrV7oDyEhZGKcUrR3WJQ6CikkEfT4-- --QxWK0RwueBQHBM76LpgYvo0S8VsHqKLMc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - https://www.enigmail.net/ iQIzBAEBCAAdFiEEh0MJwNfa5yPlb1D23W10TsFigGIFAl8+Oy4ACgkQ3W10TsFi gGJ6Pw/8CEZ998P0yMAWXbQY2LXbpHwN8luJ8ZRDTOrp4/7ipj09+WqJMF3cbo50 JhWvJ4R5gY4mjEOPocW0+WkbX+4HJSUNhdYFZLdvAfUgfCnrFNXBNJV1cXboxfed mzw4YgXRyc3fH7U2H8kH4ITGLoA8Qawd2lde53LkMlwZtVGfrb3u5p/W7B8uKrEu oftBqZxDNn4zTfUAPrTnHaarag0s0qB5ACbcrlxS81+QlBt8R6JQzfXnw/m0FUsv kOk1Me4qEmJa/ONCYSNk2eHeEFcxTymSTBEbnq28ASAiXZbUDG9lI6YewtRzf7ZM u+Pq8IXF4+PKYt7c3Ut0gfY9tc3kuT7x+QnreHHvZ3i0Ckcj8TTBp9x7h6IVLmQA CocCgCe0zT7UVcQdO7Km7Ttoxe6e9oiecTdzAiMQBXWxmE7JIZsU0d6bbpHcp6IJ rxKXKBpSAUstPefpZDRTk7Gma3stT4QoVYl+Y/RGibo53imezlnIktXyyBgpztsO 279rAf6p8Jrm/Gl+whbYq6vG0y+152TsJvhquPrgsw18GdBrpC//ZycWgfHnyFW/ SUp+Jfq/y5ES9duLPUccfhmnhCYFAPNF/U2AAymfmVyEj8feHgjfGfkwVXd+/Fyl JrvMEC5+Vut5sSAnpnMcJmdtqwZo0HWbXCWgjA+dHbfAv8CcD1c= =F2JS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --QxWK0RwueBQHBM76LpgYvo0S8VsHqKLMc-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Aug 20 13:16:18 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DE2A3BE0CA for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 13:16:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4c2000934ba03.1596a0f8e7b2b77fc7ba868b55c72ce2@email-od.com) Received: from mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (mailman.nyi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::50:13]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BXQC61CXjz4RF5 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 13:16:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4c2000934ba03.1596a0f8e7b2b77fc7ba868b55c72ce2@email-od.com) Received: by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 297823BDFFB; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 13:16:18 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 293DC3BDFFA for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 13:16:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4c2000934ba03.1596a0f8e7b2b77fc7ba868b55c72ce2@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BXQC50nVrz4RXy for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 13:16:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4c2000934ba03.1596a0f8e7b2b77fc7ba868b55c72ce2@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1597929377; x=1600521377; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=eGMkVHBOKu0qcgfvywozJ+4vHyCpg/3o8U5HPz8Iaps=; b=Bf5RpAqPdobD/+EzQV7Cdr90pPL2hxGeVMr1MxGmL1fG1cAdzNNT32OvH4KThrdVgtUD1ucEe4lEy6gSw3FNyBV+wFMqBkPI0B65dx1LTzz17iCJTDFHO12S8gGFJ2bUFxKmvlzP9Cw8avgutTJ7t9veq98IBstbTA8vlWqdDyk= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC45Mi4xZDRjMjAwMDkzNGJhMDMucXVlc3Rpb25zPWZyZWVic2Qub3Jn Received: from r3.us-east-2.aws.in.socketlabs.com (r3.us-east-2.aws.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.189.3]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Thu, 20 Aug 2020 09:16:11 -0400 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [185.202.17.215]) by r3.us-east-2.aws.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Thu, 20 Aug 2020 09:16:10 -0400 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.94 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1k8kQL-000Bki-0Q; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 14:16:09 +0100 Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 14:16:08 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: Odhiambo Washington Cc: questions Subject: Re: Swapping when memory is idle?? 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The system will push pages out to swap in response to memory pressure, trying to choose the pages least likely to be used soon. Once the memory pressure recovers there will be free memory again - and the pressure may only last a tiny amount of time. However once a page is pushed out to swap it will stay there until something tries to use it - many processes have quite a lot of memory that is only touched during initialisation and that is a prime candidate for being swapped out ... of course it tends to stay that way. This is of course a good thing because it clears memory of useless cruft so next time there's a bit of memory pressure maybe nothing has to be swapped out. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Aug 20 14:00:03 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E5323BF2AA for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 14:00:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from pyroxene2a.sentex.ca (pyroxene19.sentex.ca [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:3::19]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "pyroxene.sentex.ca", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BXR9Y6gGZz4TYD; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 14:00:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:4:d1a4:ae4c:4983:32c5] ([IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:4:d1a4:ae4c:4983:32c5]) by pyroxene2a.sentex.ca (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id 07KE00n5070322 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Thu, 20 Aug 2020 10:00:00 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Subject: Re: packet filtering via Chelsio NICs To: Navdeep Parhar , FreeBSD Questions References: <6628bb23-c263-0cd7-4861-642977dfe467@sentex.net> From: mike tancsa Autocrypt: addr=mike@sentex.net; keydata= mQENBFywzOMBCACoNFpwi5MeyEREiCeHtbm6pZJI/HnO+wXdCAWtZkS49weOoVyUj5BEXRZP xflV2ib2hflX4nXqhenaNiia4iaZ9ft3I1ebd7GEbGnsWCvAnob5MvDZyStDAuRxPJK1ya/s +6rOvr+eQiXYNVvfBhrCfrtR/esSkitBGxhUkBjOti8QwzD71JVF5YaOjBAs7jZUKyLGj0kW yDg4jUndudWU7G2yc9GwpHJ9aRSUN8e/mWdIogK0v+QBHfv/dsI6zVB7YuxCC9Fx8WPwfhDH VZC4kdYCQWKXrm7yb4TiVdBh5kgvlO9q3js1yYdfR1x8mjK2bH2RSv4bV3zkNmsDCIxjABEB AAG0HW1pa2UgdGFuY3NhIDxtaWtlQHNlbnRleC5uZXQ+iQFUBBMBCAA+FiEEmuvCXT0aY6hs 4SbWeVOEFl5WrMgFAlywzOYCGwMFCQHhM4AFCwkIBwIGFQoJCAsCBBYCAwECHgECF4AACgkQ eVOEFl5WrMhnPAf7Bf+ola0V9t4i8rwCMGvzkssGaxY/5zNSZO9BgSgfN0WzgmBEOy/3R4km Yn5KH94NltJYAAE5hqkFmAwK6psOqAR9cxHrRfU+gV2KO8pCDc6K/htkQcd/mclJYpCHp6Eq EVJOiAxcNaYuHZkeMdXDuvvI5Rk82VHk84BGgxIqIrhLlkguoPbXOOa+8c/Mpb1sRAGZEOuX EzKNC49+GS9gKW6ISbanyPsGEcFyP7GKMzcHBPf3cPrewZQZ6gBoNscasL6IJeAQDqzQAxbU GjO0qBSMRgnLXK7+DJlxrYdHGXqNbV6AYsmHJ6c2WWWiuRviFBqXinlgJ2FnYebZPAfWiQ== Message-ID: <380724d9-69f3-8726-aa73-48f9aec17e34@sentex.net> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 10:00:01 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.11.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BXR9Y6gGZz4TYD X-Spamd-Bar: + Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of mike@sentex.net designates 2607:f3e0:0:3::19 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=mike@sentex.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.25 / 15.00]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FREEFALL_USER(0.00)[mike]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f3e0::/32]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; HFILTER_HELO_IP_A(1.00)[pyroxene2a.sentex.ca]; HFILTER_HELO_NORES_A_OR_MX(0.30)[pyroxene2a.sentex.ca]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sentex.net]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.21)[-0.213]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.46)[0.463]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:11647, ipnet:2607:f3e0::/32, country:CA]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 14:00:03 -0000 Hi Navdeep,     Thanks for the followup and thanks for the awesome tools and features in the drivers!  So far so good dropping the traffic. I havent yet had to deal with dropping L3/L4 checksums, but in a DDOS that might be handy.  I see the standard mix of stuff from straight up UDP & ICMP blasts both spoofed and not, back scatter attacks (SYN-ACKS) etc.  At my borders I like to drop all RFC 1918 addrs. With ipfw thats easy enough with one line deny ip from 192.168.0.0/16,10.0.0.0/8,172.16.0.0/12 to any via cxl0 // stop bogons from leaking and entering However, I dont think thats possible with the TCAM filters ? I can drop those RFC 1918 addrs inbound on cxl0 with the filter cxgbetool t5nex0 filter 3 iport 0 sip 172.16.0.0/12 action drop but I cant do the equiv of "via" no ? I would have to add an addition rule cxgbetool t5nex0 filter 4 iport 1 sip 172.16.0.0/12 action drop assuming port 0 is outside facing and 1 is inside facing. Another nice feature would be to somehow expose the stats via sysctl ? Or is that needlessly expensive to keep track of ?  It would be nice to hook this into our monitoring system (cacti etc) to detect when an actual DDoS is happening or even just track attacks over time. Other quick thing, would be to render the filter IPs in dotted quad rather than as a hex int ? cxgbetool t5nex0 filter list  Idx     Hits FCoE Port      vld:VLAN  Prot MPS Frag                  DIP                  SIP     DPORT     SPORT Action    1   119961  0/0  0/7 0:0000/0:0000 00/00 0/0  0/0    00000000/00000000    0a000000/ff000000 0000/0000 0000/0000 Drop    2    54832  0/0  0/7 0:0000/0:0000 00/00 0/0  0/0    00000000/00000000    c0a80000/ffff0000 0000/0000 0000/0000 Drop    3    19478  0/0  0/7 0:0000/0:0000 00/00 0/0  0/0    00000000/00000000    ac100000/fff00000 0000/0000 0000/0000 Drop     ---Mike On 8/19/2020 6:48 PM, Navdeep Parhar wrote: > Hi Mike, > > Your followup on -questions indicates that you got the information that > you were looking for. > > In addition to that, it is also possible to drop entire categories of > bad packets in the hardware automatically --- stuff like incorrect L3/L4 > checksums, bad header lengths, etc. This is not done by default because > then you can't use tcpdump to see what was wrong with the frame and the > sw drop counters won't increment either. In case you see a lot of bad > traffic of this sort and do not want to spend any CPU cycles on it let > me know and I'll add a tunable to enable this behavior. > > Regards, > Navdeep > > On 8/17/20 6:13 AM, mike tancsa wrote: >> Has anyone used the packet filtering features of the T520 and T540 cards >> on FreeBSD ? Rather than use ipfw or pf, I am hoping to offload some of >> the packet filtering to the features on the card. Does it save CPU >> processing power in the end ? Is there a sweet spot to using it, or am I >> better off using ipfw ? I am looking at dropping traffic in the 2-5Gb/s >> range filtering out bogons and other bad packets. >> >> Would appreciate any examples / caveats / tip on how to use it as the >> docs are kind of sparse. Using it on RELENG_12 >> >>     ---Mike >> > > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Aug 20 16:58:42 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 321293C2F84 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 16:58:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from nightmare.dreamchaser.org (ns.dreamchaser.org [66.109.141.57]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "dreamchaser.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BXW7j264Vz4fgg for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 16:58:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from breakaway.dreamchaser.org (breakaway [192.168.151.122]) by nightmare.dreamchaser.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 07KGwQwb042283; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 10:58:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Reply-To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org Subject: Re: Correct way to disconnect/eject an USB hard disk ? To: Polytropon , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: Manish Jain , Christoph Kukulies References: <20200819142952.3686baa8.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200820044352.678a588e.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200820050222.e54467e3.freebsd@edvax.de> From: Gary Aitken Message-ID: Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 10:56:56 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.11.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20200820050222.e54467e3.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.2 (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [192.168.151.101]); Thu, 20 Aug 2020 10:58:27 -0600 (MDT) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BXW7j264Vz4fgg X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@dreamchaser.org designates 66.109.141.57 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@dreamchaser.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.49 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@dreamchaser.org]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[hotmail.com,kukulies.org]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[dreamchaser.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.31)[-0.311]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.88)[-0.877]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; ASN(0.00)[asn:21947, ipnet:66.109.128.0/19, country:US] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 16:58:42 -0000 Thanks all for the explanations and ideas On 8/19/20 9:02 PM, Polytropon wrote: > On Thu, 20 Aug 2020 04:43:52 +0200, Polytropon wrote: >> The idea of "just give it a few seconds after you physically >> remove the USB stick" [...] > > ... is of course nonsense - you wait _before_ physically > removing the USB stick. It doesn't make sense to wait > after disconnecting. :-) Ah, that must be my problem ;-) But it does make sense -- uh... let me think... what do I do now? :-) But on a mostly unrelated note, I have a ritual I've been performing for nigh on ten years: Before plugging in a USB stick on one particular box, I stick a finger over the USB stick connection, touch the box/case and run my finger down to the front panel USB connector and wiggle my fingertip over the connector. Then plug in the stick. If I don't do that, 9 times out of 10 the machine will freeze up and I have to manually power off, reboot, and fsck. It's obviously(?) static related, although I've never felt/heard any static anywhere near and it only happens on this one box. I just adapted and learned to live with it. Gary From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Aug 20 17:15:21 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B4243C3616 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 17:15:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.130]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BXWVv715qz3SPm for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 17:15:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([94.222.20.202]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue011 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MhlbM-1kdU8O2zB2-00dq3T; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 19:15:04 +0200 Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 19:15:03 +0200 From: Polytropon To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Manish Jain , Christoph Kukulies Subject: Re: Correct way to disconnect/eject an USB hard disk ? 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Then plu= g in > the stick. If I don't do that, 9 times out of 10 the machine will freeze= up > and I have to manually power off, reboot, and fsck. I had a comparable problem many years ago with a USB-based SD and CF card reader: It was required to first plug in the USB-A plug to the computer, then the card reader to the USB-mini-B plug of the cable - worked. If the reader was connected to the cable already, and it was plugged into the computer, the system would freeze. That was very strange, so I left the USB cable connected to the system, and only connected the card reader when needed. There is another important ritual: First try to connect the USB-A plug. You'll immediately recognize that it was upside down. So you turn it 180=B0 and retry. Again it does not fit, so you turn it 180=B0 again and retry. It will now fit. :-) It might apply to all kinds of USB plugs (and in case of USB-B, it needs 4 x 90=B0 turns to make it fit... --=20 Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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I'm wondering how "now safe to remove" notifications work in windows and other operating systems. And is shutting down or suspending to disk just guesswork? I don't know, but I'd be surprised if there aren't mechanisms in sata, usb etc, to ensure data has been committed to non-volatile storage. 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However once a > page is pushed out to swap it will stay there until something tries > to use it ... Also it's not an either/or. Pages that are read back in don't free-up swap space, instead they become "clean pages" which can reallocated instantaneously. Writing to swap in the first place is mainly done to create clean pages rather than free pages. 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[67.182.180.101]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id k8sm3459040pgt.54.2020.08.20.11.37.51 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 20 Aug 2020 11:37:51 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: From: "Drew Tomlinson" To: Subject: Bash Does Not Source /etc/profile Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 11:37:50 -0700 Message-ID: <0a5901d67721$02a62f80$07f28e80$@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Thread-Index: AdZ3F3jRPJ3OI8zvRmiCxaHRgfxyAA== Content-Language: en-us X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BXYLB0DRmz3YWH X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=oHzG54b3; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of bob811183@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::1035 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=bob811183@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.46 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[drew@mykitchentable.net]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.60)[-0.603]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[67.182.180.101:received]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.15)[0.146]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; REPLYTO_DOM_NEQ_FROM_DOM(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::1035:from]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 18:37:55 -0000 I performed an binary upgrade from 12.0-p3 to 12.1-p8 and recompiled all ports. My shell is set to /usr/local/bin/bash in /etc/passwd. One thing that's puzzling is that /etc/profile is no longer sourced when I log in. However, if I source /etc/profile after I log in, there are no errors. I have verified my shell is both login and interactive with these code snippets I found on the web: [drew@blackcloud ~]$ shopt -q login_shell && echo 'Login shell' || echo 'Not login shell' Login shell [drew@blackcloud ~]$ [[ $- == *i* ]] && echo 'Interactive' || echo 'Not interactive' Interactive What else should I check? Thanks, Drew From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Aug 20 18:40:35 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 327EF3C55F3 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 18:40:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) Received: from mail.covisp.net (mail.covisp.net [65.121.55.42]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BXYPF66m1z3YTM for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 18:40:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Swapping when memory is idle?? From: "@lbutlr" In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 12:40:32 -0600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: FreeBSD X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3652.0.5.2.1) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BXYPF66m1z3YTM X-Spamd-Bar: + Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kremels@kreme.com designates 65.121.55.42 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=kremels@kreme.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.79 / 15.00]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.37)[-0.366]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MISSING_MIME_VERSION(2.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[kreme.com]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.44)[-0.443]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:209, ipnet:65.112.0.0/12, country:US]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[65.121.55.42:from] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 18:40:35 -0000 On 20 Aug 2020, at 01:53, Odhiambo Washington = wrote: > I have a machine with 16GB RAM and not heavily used. > I see from `top` some things that I do not understand well. > Why would a system use swap when memory is idle? Efficiency. Rather than reloading from static state disk libraries, you = reload from swapped out RAM. This is faster as the swap maps right to = the RAM and you are not reloading libraries and following depends. An efficient system *may* use swap for any page that is not accessed for = a certain period of time, trying to keep the system with as much memory = as possible, or more usually a specific task will use a lot of memory, = forcing pages to swap. This does not mean that memory was mixed out nor = does it mean you need more RAM. Once a page is in swap it will stay there until it is needed. So over = the course of time, swap will tend to grow to some stable size, = especially if you have a lot of rarely used services/libraries running. If you have low uptime and high swap, that probably means something in = your initial startup is using a lot of memory, but if the uptime is = long, swap is probably going to grow. And that is fine. You want you memory to be used. I looks to me like your system is quite well used in terms of memory. = There is 156M of free memory, but plenty of inactive and purgeable = (laundry) which looks like a healthy system to me. These are the important numbers, as long as the Free number is low, then = high numbers in inac/laundry are what you want. If these are low and = Free is also low, then your system is struggling. --=20 I don't talk about problems, I disintegrate them. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Aug 20 18:47:53 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 807043C5C10 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 18:47:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane-mx.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.io (static.214.254.202.116.clients.your-server.de [116.202.254.214]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BXYYh6LXBz3Yh6 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 18:47:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane-mx.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1k8pWJ-0009SR-El for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 20:42:39 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Ottavio Caruso Subject: Re: Bash Does Not Source /etc/profile Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 19:42:34 +0100 Message-ID: References: <0a5901d67721$02a62f80$07f28e80$@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.1.1 In-Reply-To: <0a5901d67721$02a62f80$07f28e80$@gmail.com> Content-Language: en-GB X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BXYYh6LXBz3Yh6 X-Spamd-Bar: ++++++++ X-Spamd-Result: default: False [8.71 / 15.00]; FORGED_MUA_THUNDERBIRD_MSGID_UNKNOWN(2.50)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.15)[0.154]; GREYLIST(0.00)[pass,body]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; HFILTER_HOSTNAME_5(3.00)[static.214.254.202.116.clients.your-server.de]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.56)[0.557]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; DMARC_POLICY_REJECT(2.00)[yahoo.com : SPF not aligned (relaxed), No valid DKIM,reject]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com,freebsd-questions@m.gmane-mx.org]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:116.202.0.0/16, country:DE]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com,freebsd-questions@m.gmane-mx.org]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Spam: Yes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 18:47:53 -0000 On 20/08/2020 19:37, Drew Tomlinson wrote: > I performed an binary upgrade from 12.0-p3 to 12.1-p8 and recompiled all > ports. My shell is set to /usr/local/bin/bash in /etc/passwd. One thing > that's puzzling is that /etc/profile is no longer sourced when I log in. > However, if I source /etc/profile after I log in, there are no errors. > > I have verified my shell is both login and interactive with these code > snippets I found on the web: > > [drew@blackcloud ~]$ shopt -q login_shell && echo 'Login shell' || echo 'Not > login shell' > Login shell > [drew@blackcloud ~]$ [[ $- == *i* ]] && echo 'Interactive' || echo 'Not > interactive' > Interactive > > What else should I check? Copy ~/.profile to ~/.bash_profile and source /etc/profile from there. -- Ottavio Caruso From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Aug 20 20:03:32 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FA953C75A4 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 20:03:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from nightmare.dreamchaser.org (ns.dreamchaser.org [66.109.141.57]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "dreamchaser.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BXbDz2pfYz3gJL for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 20:03:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from breakaway.dreamchaser.org (breakaway [192.168.151.122]) by nightmare.dreamchaser.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 07KK3TKp042770 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 14:03:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) To: FreeBSD Mailing List Reply-To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org From: Gary Aitken Subject: virtualbox startup error Message-ID: <98c60652-833e-3716-1295-f959d1309fc3@dreamchaser.org> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 14:01:59 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.11.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.2 (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [192.168.151.101]); Thu, 20 Aug 2020 14:03:29 -0600 (MDT) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BXbDz2pfYz3gJL X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@dreamchaser.org designates 66.109.141.57 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@dreamchaser.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.82 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@dreamchaser.org]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.13)[0.130]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx:c]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[dreamchaser.org]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.65)[-0.652]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:21947, ipnet:66.109.128.0/19, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 20:03:32 -0000 First time attempting to run virtual box, not sure where to go from here: $ pkg info | grep virtualbox virtualbox-ose-5.2.44 General-purpose full virtualizer for x86 hardware virtualbox-ose-additions-5.2.44 VirtualBox additions for FreeBSD guests virtualbox-ose-kmod-5.2.44 VirtualBox kernel module for FreeBSD $ kldstat Id Refs Address Size Name 1 15 0xffffffff80200000 206c860 kernel 2 1 0xffffffff8226e000 15cf0 fuse.ko 3 1 0xffffffff82421000 2408 ums.ko 4 1 0xffffffff82424000 76cc tmpfs.ko 5 1 0xffffffff8242c000 1bc0 umodem.ko 6 1 0xffffffff8242e000 3c58 ucom.ko 7 1 0xffffffff82432000 53a60 vboxdrv.ko 11.3-RELEASE-p6 ~$ virtualbox VirtualBox: supR3HardenedMainGetTrustedMain: dlopen("/usr/local/lib/virtualbox/VirtualBox.so",) failed: /usr/local/lib/virtualbox/VirtualBox.so: Undefined symbol "_ZN15QLinearGradientD1Ev@Qt_5" hints? From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Aug 20 20:05:04 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F14433C7816 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 20:05:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from nightmare.dreamchaser.org (ns.dreamchaser.org [66.109.141.57]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "dreamchaser.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BXbGl6ydXz3g4H for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 20:05:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from breakaway.dreamchaser.org (breakaway [192.168.151.122]) by nightmare.dreamchaser.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 07KK52lw042780; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 14:05:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) From: Gary Aitken Subject: Re: Bash Does Not Source /etc/profile To: Ottavio Caruso , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <0a5901d67721$02a62f80$07f28e80$@gmail.com> Reply-To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org Message-ID: <5641a50a-e43c-1c3c-7759-8578dd8bd871@dreamchaser.org> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 14:03:33 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.11.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.2 (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [192.168.151.101]); Thu, 20 Aug 2020 14:05:02 -0600 (MDT) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BXbGl6ydXz3g4H X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@dreamchaser.org designates 66.109.141.57 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@dreamchaser.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.88 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@dreamchaser.org]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx:c]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.21)[0.206]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[dreamchaser.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.79)[-0.790]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[yahoo.com,freebsd.org]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:21947, ipnet:66.109.128.0/19, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 20:05:05 -0000 On 8/20/20 12:42 PM, Ottavio Caruso via freebsd-questions wrote: > On 20/08/2020 19:37, Drew Tomlinson wrote: >> I performed an binary upgrade from 12.0-p3 to 12.1-p8 and >> recompiled all ports. My shell is set to /usr/local/bin/bash in >> /etc/passwd. One thing that's puzzling is that /etc/profile is no >> longer sourced when I log in. However, if I source /etc/profile >> after I log in, there are no errors. >> >> I have verified my shell is both login and interactive with these >> code snippets I found on the web: >> >> [drew@blackcloud ~]$ shopt -q login_shell && echo 'Login shell' || >> echo 'Not login shell' Login shell [drew@blackcloud ~]$ [[ $- == >> *i* ]] && echo 'Interactive' || echo 'Not interactive' Interactive >> >> What else should I check? > > Copy ~/.profile to ~/.bash_profile and source /etc/profile from > there. I don't *think* a copy should be necessary: $ strings $(which bash) | grep profile noprofile /etc/profile ~/.profile ~/.bash_profile $ strings $(which bash) | grep shrc ~/.bashrc But to the original question, why are you expecting errors? 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FORGED_MUA_THUNDERBIRD_MSGID_UNKNOWN(2.50)[]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com,freebsd-questions@m.gmane-mx.org]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-Spam: Yes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 20:35:07 -0000 On 20/08/2020 21:03, Gary Aitken wrote: > On 8/20/20 12:42 PM, Ottavio Caruso via freebsd-questions wrote: >> On 20/08/2020 19:37, Drew Tomlinson wrote: >>> I performed an binary upgrade from 12.0-p3 to 12.1-p8 and >>> recompiled all ports.  My shell is set to /usr/local/bin/bash in >>> /etc/passwd.  One thing that's puzzling is that /etc/profile is no >>> longer sourced when I log in. However, if I source /etc/profile >>> after I log in, there are no errors. >>> >>> I have verified my shell is both login and interactive with these >>> code snippets I found on the web: >>> >>> [drew@blackcloud ~]$ shopt -q login_shell && echo 'Login shell' || >>> echo 'Not login shell' Login shell [drew@blackcloud ~]$ [[ $- == >>> *i* ]] && echo 'Interactive' || echo 'Not interactive' Interactive >>> >>> What else should I check? >> >> Copy ~/.profile to ~/.bash_profile and source /etc/profile from >> there. > > I don't *think* a copy should be necessary: > A copy is not necessary. Actually, rewording my original reply, I would just create a ~/.bash_profile and a .bashrc and source files from there if necessary. -- Ottavio Caruso From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Aug 20 22:34:01 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3DE03AAC61 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 22:34:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bob811183@gmail.com) Received: from mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (unknown [127.0.1.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BXfZd5M47z45rB for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 22:34:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bob811183@gmail.com) Received: by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) id B5A2B3AA951; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 22:34:01 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B42BB3AAC60 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 22:34:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bob811183@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pl1-x62d.google.com (mail-pl1-x62d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::62d]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BXfZc52dBz45p0 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 22:34:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bob811183@gmail.com) Received: by mail-pl1-x62d.google.com with SMTP id k13so1574758plk.13 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 15:34:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=reply-to:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding:thread-index:content-language; bh=KqdCNnFfSTT9ztrNa42yhatFKOgtN1n7pmvVHB8t4UE=; b=Xo6zSHJnW/wYphpg6mtZf86s+pSrUMBQkWFN6y4JRMveqMDH+2qSXZe1CfQKUBp6qN CFyQ51kx6glyb+JTqWAHhbMd+gTOPgUH88hnH0DVJCccctEMprgfYUhXn1IetDpoaV47 X/hDGok8umSaANaWC+j6FID0Yju7DYK3tU2Bq0CEjOViz42Cl+8kr5Z4MimtXrMYeOyQ u+YnT1Ew/inh+rKjBnes0nvH8xNoUDaRsUVe3SwMMJBhsEf2oeJEJ25LznYZG7C/XyDd UGgMtfVEkHOeU2CaSrwQznqBZesjPpuFPPcQbMOAh/yxCGbiSCjMWrogU4iD6j71BqZ8 FwnA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:reply-to:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:thread-index :content-language; bh=KqdCNnFfSTT9ztrNa42yhatFKOgtN1n7pmvVHB8t4UE=; b=cpvVH5pS3QKnc2QaaaMUW9EPHF+UPxRH2eOYpo2zvkUtp+TfXD5bcPcSIMVntPXSZa /T4WcAQC6tGMI8YBCgLniTIo6PRCv5yPvO4vCeDMdZr2b7yOXlFBEbObt4IPeHuW74xi HZhd5nkSXAspzejrpYq8IXVm/T+tqjhHMH1phsJvI0gg7UUZO8wL9PwcojHwZgcFl8Pn RaZ5uWWL8T7anfFOv2W6WBEMsrMDS2cLgeI87S0uoafdOqXO/laFyc98CWUBoAWPoEQm R5tf8WkA9e6rCKYcKGUiX8kQCp4/vPlqmnbKyTJGIjhhC9Go1c4MRB8E+ErtX5hBh1iC k9pA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530hvJzfua22ACTmkkSuaN+HAupdF9pE8ll11Jw4C49Cjn1gQEro V0pC1QEffqJ3dsO3l8RbIl7l2DPuHFuZfH3fzQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxbJ28D8s4lkMO1UHOnLfOJMbw+RC+T4hLO5ePPcdd3WrXuWzgUa5m5OcBL1OaJsEx5G4on+A== X-Received: by 2002:a17:90a:fca:: with SMTP id 68mr72772pjz.12.1597962838316; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 15:33:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from NotATablet (c-67-182-180-101.hsd1.ca.comcast.net. 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That solved it. I would be good to update = the man page to reference those changes. Cheers, Drew -----Original Message----- From: Yasuhiro KIMURA =20 Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2020 1:31 PM To: drew@mykitchentable.net; bob811183@gmail.com Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Bash Does Not Source /etc/profile From: "Drew Tomlinson" Subject: Bash Does Not Source /etc/profile Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 11:37:50 -0700 > I performed an binary upgrade from 12.0-p3 to 12.1-p8 and recompiled=20 > all ports. My shell is set to /usr/local/bin/bash in /etc/passwd. =20 > One thing that's puzzling is that /etc/profile is no longer sourced = when I log in. It is result of following commit. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ r542373 | ehaupt | 2020-07-17 02:14:53 +0900 (2020/07/17 (=E9=87=91)) | = 8 lines Cleanly decouple bash from base by reading `profile` from = $LOCALBASE/etc/ instead of from /etc. Document this change in UPDATING and provide a migration strategy. PR: 247934 (based on) Submitted by: Michael Osipov ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Read entry of 20200716 in UPDATING for more detail. --- Yasuhiro KIMURA From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Aug 21 00:43:20 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA83D3AEA55 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 00:43:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dalescott@shaw.ca) Received: from smtp-out-no.shaw.ca (smtp-out-no.shaw.ca [64.59.134.9]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BXjRq64r7z4GGk for ; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 00:43:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dalescott@shaw.ca) Received: from cds220.dcs.int.inet ([10.0.153.144]) by shaw.ca with ESMTP id 8v9Ik2c9062br8v9JkzaiD; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 18:43:18 -0600 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=shaw.ca; s=s20180605; t=1597970598; bh=wJofrJZkIMCaNToJWfC8C8Y0KnMmC+3bvvf/x9cKjzY=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject; b=hdz4JJ0xFnyevt86ZQUgy3eC0IVo9Awf/Nzqhfk9TvnP06SIboJ9BQnVD6PsrlV0i ZstvlfP+8IxjA3fIeAqHZvLxHFwE4g0tLQC3geE0BePVryOCgUVgNDodszv/fUxbYP q+INStCrEq9XVRW5kdZQjM6iM/abLTdC2GT8J08NWNUSLDhQRoA45qhWtoHJ1tdSgw TXWsHVewb/f+9k0owvv2XAuE9Nz5+GV/yV/zJfLvB/qF0UE4VOy2OuNgBxMYkO8JQ9 yDmP/G3O385oZgDQQq/Jwm5OOKuFy615zjzGaMsjZR7U7QDE9L4ANWPhmA1EbCsoQp AQ3Nd76dUC/WA== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=shaw.ca; s=s20180605; t=1597970598; bh=wJofrJZkIMCaNToJWfC8C8Y0KnMmC+3bvvf/x9cKjzY=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject; b=hdz4JJ0xFnyevt86ZQUgy3eC0IVo9Awf/Nzqhfk9TvnP06SIboJ9BQnVD6PsrlV0i ZstvlfP+8IxjA3fIeAqHZvLxHFwE4g0tLQC3geE0BePVryOCgUVgNDodszv/fUxbYP q+INStCrEq9XVRW5kdZQjM6iM/abLTdC2GT8J08NWNUSLDhQRoA45qhWtoHJ1tdSgw TXWsHVewb/f+9k0owvv2XAuE9Nz5+GV/yV/zJfLvB/qF0UE4VOy2OuNgBxMYkO8JQ9 yDmP/G3O385oZgDQQq/Jwm5OOKuFy615zjzGaMsjZR7U7QDE9L4ANWPhmA1EbCsoQp AQ3Nd76dUC/WA== X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=LKf9vKe9 c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=YjOmSjUxhsfmstj0eziGpw==:117 a=FKkrIqjQGGEA:10 a=on0NmgUIp3IA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=0wQVMjYSAAAA:8 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=mfWhHulaQdR-Ib312xUA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=ibV0ZHtNwtz4ncopG1mI:22 a=IjZwj45LgO3ly-622nXo:22 Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 18:43:16 -0600 (MDT) From: Dale Scott To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org Cc: freebsd-questions Message-ID: <749606899.265958105.1597970596758.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca> In-Reply-To: <98c60652-833e-3716-1295-f959d1309fc3@dreamchaser.org> References: <98c60652-833e-3716-1295-f959d1309fc3@dreamchaser.org> Subject: Re: virtualbox startup error MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: [162.223.103.50, 162.223.103.50] X-Mailer: Zimbra 8.8.15_GA_3899 (ZimbraWebClient - GC84 (Win)/8.8.15_GA_3895) Thread-Topic: virtualbox startup error Thread-Index: rubBcxgouDE8r7zIEwhg5gErGRMpcQ== X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfA8F561cXsKnR9VQM/wg1O8NTgHyy6HdIYQ0sgc4YkcUPbXSvHCLIa/ZkZqtiN1TbLv/ZIvfwCmDb353NolG4bjatGXncbWzem4qc7kcPR3CCZLbMUjH cLZd9ppdpoPpwmm9rZ288krPtusHW/nhFqjwsekyyj055KU6Hlda4hDw1qi5pvN/q/Qiz81sdhXh5xLS10m7R0tsQAS/H/XWl8PGhQ8cVQfzy8I+bySsDOie X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BXjRq64r7z4GGk X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=shaw.ca header.s=s20180605 header.b=hdz4JJ0x; dkim=pass header.d=shaw.ca header.s=s20180605 header.b=hdz4JJ0x; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=shaw.ca; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dalescott@shaw.ca designates 64.59.134.9 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=dalescott@shaw.ca X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.45 / 15.00]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[shaw.ca:s=s20180605]; HAS_XOIP(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:64.59.134.0/25]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[shaw.ca:dkim]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.01)[-1.006]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[64.59.134.9:from]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[shaw.ca:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[shaw.ca,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.34)[-0.341]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6327, ipnet:64.59.128.0/20, country:CA]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[64.59.134.9:from] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 00:43:21 -0000 I run vbox headless and install binaries using pkg. However, the kernel module MUST be compiled from source (I used to know why... ;-)) install virtualbox-ose-nox11 use portsnap to install and/or update the ports tree make install virtualbox-ose-kmod from the ports tree Fwiw, I use phpvirtualbox for management, it's practically identical to the native VirtualBox UI (but does require configuring a web server). Cheers, Dale ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gary Aitken" > To: "freebsd-questions" > Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2020 2:01:59 PM > Subject: virtualbox startup error > First time attempting to run virtual box, not sure where to go from here: > > $ pkg info | grep virtualbox > virtualbox-ose-5.2.44 General-purpose full virtualizer for x86 hardware > virtualbox-ose-additions-5.2.44 VirtualBox additions for FreeBSD guests > virtualbox-ose-kmod-5.2.44 VirtualBox kernel module for FreeBSD > > $ kldstat > Id Refs Address Size Name > 1 15 0xffffffff80200000 206c860 kernel > 2 1 0xffffffff8226e000 15cf0 fuse.ko > 3 1 0xffffffff82421000 2408 ums.ko > 4 1 0xffffffff82424000 76cc tmpfs.ko > 5 1 0xffffffff8242c000 1bc0 umodem.ko > 6 1 0xffffffff8242e000 3c58 ucom.ko > 7 1 0xffffffff82432000 53a60 vboxdrv.ko > > 11.3-RELEASE-p6 > > ~$ virtualbox > VirtualBox: supR3HardenedMainGetTrustedMain: > dlopen("/usr/local/lib/virtualbox/VirtualBox.so",) failed: > /usr/local/lib/virtualbox/VirtualBox.so: Undefined symbol > "_ZN15QLinearGradientD1Ev@Qt_5" > > hints? > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Aug 21 04:35:06 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE4E83B29D0 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 04:35:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rrtred@airmail.cc) Received: from mail.cock.li (mail.cock.li [37.120.193.124]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BXpbF22Szz4QPC for ; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 04:35:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rrtred@airmail.cc) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 12:34:55 +0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=airmail.cc; s=mail; t=1597984501; bh=sThJC+P5rAceT7UlwW+1R0sKY9kUHG5mmw0V29fsUcg=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From; b=okN8BGI+ocPAZDMVH+2m4V/hx3VqSGfX0f/VJuGBsT9pE1IMY3tlcO7sFSgs8Nkye 05E5ttsmszL0LZ2b+gb2EBX/kBI57Wtl3QchjDqXV2UTJTSkTzR3Xy5bn0Gjcvq/pU G2v3cgqptvT98RlSjMe1o3e3fYQ9CTn6IwDhTGhH+9KjxuWoXOrDeS02K1U5u4bqBH etPL9/1Xs1k4fIDaCcLqzG49g4WNVuy0xcKmoaZNNqWIhRjqD43AcvgHUsoNzLEO1h Gh6wGWXXziJ69XC0PatFJcV0X+Y0Z7DOYbPDZ7M5vcniA4KZSklevF1s9NAF4/UJvm anTG8PGS4aKkQ== From: Ramces Red To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Resolving a dependency conflict when using /usr/ports Message-ID: <20200821043455.go2kmiiwdzs2cste@haraya.local.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="5jr6r7kvmx6zns7z" Content-Disposition: inline X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BXpbF22Szz4QPC X-Spamd-Bar: + Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=airmail.cc header.s=mail header.b=okN8BGI+; dmarc=none; spf=fail (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of rrtred@airmail.cc does not designate 37.120.193.124 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=rrtred@airmail.cc X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.05 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_SPF_FAIL(1.00)[-all]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[airmail.cc:s=mail]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.76)[-0.755]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[airmail.cc]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; VIOLATED_DIRECT_SPF(3.50)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[airmail.cc:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.29)[-0.292]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; ASN(0.00)[asn:9009, ipnet:37.120.193.0/24, country:GB]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 04:35:07 -0000 --5jr6r7kvmx6zns7z Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, I am not quite sure if this is the avenue for this but I was in the process of trying out FreeBSD and I was having this problem where I have a dependency conflict while installing the news/atp port: pkg-static: atp-1.50_2 conflicts with libedit-3.1.20191231,1=20 (installs files into the same place). =20 Problematic file: /usr/local/man/man3/editline.3.gz Now, as I understood this it seems that there's a conflict with libedit where atp is also installing stuff in the same place. I tried installing the pkg version and doing so will basically rip my entire system as it will remove llvm, vim, among others. Is there any way to deal with this issue, like changing where stuff are bei= ng installed where? Any help will be appreciated, Thanks! 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Or until the operator deactivates and reactivates swap (using the swapoff / swapon programs), which would lead to anything still in swap being "synced" with RAM as long as there is enough capacity to hold them. THis is of course a heavy interference with how the OS manages memory, and often not a good idea. ;-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Aug 21 07:12:36 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD5843B5FB3 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 07:12:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4c20009569880.1289d3f039c492270d1d02c3f05511be@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BXt4z74XVz4Y28 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 07:12:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4c20009569880.1289d3f039c492270d1d02c3f05511be@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1597993956; x=1600585956; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=p+cQfcQJFOFU46pVGD0VW7z0Eum2xpMyTkDjiOvOe/4=; b=f8jNKGnCi68+TGV7472XcSV1QVY42UwZKC8yqlkUj9nrYsarE9j8MBiQudAdmvtlEtp85AlZP3EZcod91wzCWtNoTrVWMKsFJh48E56norT0smHMlG3b8rJnBY3yjRAUyrcCAQeu7aGsr7wMLwZW9Pt9DjlMhXoeIwIXanP+sAg= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC45Mi4xZDRjMjAwMDk1Njk4ODAuZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnM9ZnJlZWJzZC5vcmc= Received: from r2.us-east-2.aws.in.socketlabs.com (r2.us-east-2.aws.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.189.2]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Fri, 21 Aug 2020 03:12:29 -0400 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [185.202.17.215]) by r2.us-east-2.aws.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Fri, 21 Aug 2020 03:12:28 -0400 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.94 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1k91Du-000LkX-55; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 08:12:26 +0100 Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 08:12:25 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: Polytropon Cc: "@lbutlr" , FreeBSD Subject: Re: Swapping when memory is idle?? 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THis is of course a heavy interference > with how the OS manages memory, and often not a good idea. ;-) The only time it's a good idea IME is just after some event has almost but not quite triggered the OOM killer before releasing memory so far too much has been swapped out. It will come back as needed of course but recovery is smoother if you force it all back with swapoff. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Aug 21 07:56:14 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D37F93B69F0 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 07:56:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from odhiambo@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ot1-x342.google.com (mail-ot1-x342.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::342]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BXv3K39v4z4b1B for ; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 07:56:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from odhiambo@gmail.com) Received: by mail-ot1-x342.google.com with SMTP id h22so917599otq.11 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 00:56:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=02cnbHsKmvkaNZet083YGAUub2t9sY+eG2k5c3EiPO0=; b=pB7igynxBiKGUQA7Gc8LGe1we1HExJfyiBMe3gpz5tJ4i+sUMnO9hQbmrnD4uRxvAx vQR2o8m8sggejWf2qmlOpr9JZPSOj7a6GMV1qvlEpFn8KaxE4wVXUbWONawfuPtnzS9B yyr+8JrfNQwPdNpP37nEL5Vqklpu7E/AI+Xn8IW1jgSDoZ8aD/Sk6tdApaw+ry+NLdIr KYoBCytPdz4NrpW9N+U4ygPs2yco7jZrFQMvsP+AGxhpcHGYOZ16U85LE/oz2JW1Nga+ XoKBFOd4LtIHYLTr6+r1CapfHrqgUgOaeJEvCrBBru+AsKjj0S3WCAOoG/pAJ6FfjIAl 5YRg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=02cnbHsKmvkaNZet083YGAUub2t9sY+eG2k5c3EiPO0=; b=dY7iHxXe5JXtidq4oJeMcZ30+7kEt6H3f569RgIfyekSgn+sXUlG07PHmAb9PYh7Hb Cil3SmYHbtBJSizIJ0jQ6CuaVHGI8LddWud6k02yizES9SB+Iyz8r1Y+UdCIXjoiNLxN SArpitkd/XMDPFjYD3U6VI7CJiUNsxh9onqo9mwmO5VtjlLJYaD3YT8wLJGb85Rw4ix2 ydZf59Rd32bTeVayiMxSPvWY0C0FURIGtwIR0Z5K2SDCLRBZumhacsrmrsKc25BTsBTO 5Td2kv2gcqBm1tiXd/2K2yDHo7CIWLmg3t6JhaCT+mOiP7nFEq6ftGBYiB1+yzH5wARG rHYg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530UUlDIkdphJIOf0Tk4mapNSIEnSXPna4yKvGL6YDLa4E0z2ObV MecmkMyxG7xJ8zaB1Z8BqDKbQJMzTJ5EzcT0aBvpATiANqA= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJw2J22KLsN5ZlNYotvCsORJLUrCRT8DKPn7KSPHcLh+iQFDPmROI1rjN/iwFdjZ3dzc29HlLjcm33oIZnrJifM= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6830:1286:: with SMTP id z6mr1092071otp.240.1597996572156; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 00:56:12 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Odhiambo Washington Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 10:55:42 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Swapping when memory is idle?? To: "@lbutlr" Cc: FreeBSD X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BXv3K39v4z4b1B X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=pB7igynx; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of odhiambo@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::342 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=odhiambo@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.92 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.98)[-0.984]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.06)[0.063]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::342:from]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 07:56:14 -0000 On Thu, 20 Aug 2020 at 21:40, @lbutlr wrote: > On 20 Aug 2020, at 01:53, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > I have a machine with 16GB RAM and not heavily used. > > I see from `top` some things that I do not understand well. > > Why would a system use swap when memory is idle? > > Efficiency. Rather than reloading from static state disk libraries, you > reload from swapped out RAM. This is faster as the swap maps right to the > RAM and you are not reloading libraries and following depends. > > An efficient system *may* use swap for any page that is not accessed for a > certain period of time, trying to keep the system with as much memory as > possible, or more usually a specific task will use a lot of memory, forcing > pages to swap. This does not mean that memory was mixed out nor does it > mean you need more RAM. > > Once a page is in swap it will stay there until it is needed. So over the > course of time, swap will tend to grow to some stable size, especially if > you have a lot of rarely used services/libraries running. > > If you have low uptime and high swap, that probably means something in > your initial startup is using a lot of memory, but if the uptime is long, > swap is probably going to grow. > > And that is fine. You want you memory to be used. > > I looks to me like your system is quite well used in terms of memory. > There is 156M of free memory, but plenty of inactive and purgeable > (laundry) which looks like a healthy system to me. > > These are the important numbers, as long as the Free number is low, then > high numbers in inac/laundry are what you want. If these are low and Free > is also low, then your system is struggling. > After this great explanation, it turns out that what I was seeing is actually a good thing! My limited reasoning was that a system should always use swap when it runs out of memory. And this stupid line of thought has been in my mind since forever!!! :-) Thank you very much for the explanation. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", grep ^[^#] :-) From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Aug 21 15:02:42 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F38E43BFABE for ; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 15:02:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Received: from bucksport.safeport.com (bucksport.safeport.com [198.74.231.101]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BY4WQ1dYzz4351 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 15:02:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Received: from bucksport.safeport.com (bucksport.safeport.com [198.74.231.101]) by bucksport.safeport.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id 07LF2XvE064036 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 11:02:33 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 11:02:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Doug Denault To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Swapping when memory is idle?? Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (bucksport.safeport.com [198.74.231.101]); Fri, 21 Aug 2020 11:02:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BY4WQ1dYzz4351 X-Spamd-Bar: + Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of doug@safeport.com designates 198.74.231.101 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=doug@safeport.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.77 / 15.00]; FAKE_REPLY(1.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.23)[-0.228]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:198.74.231.101]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[safeport.com]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.10)[0.103]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:11288, ipnet:198.74.228.0/22, country:US]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; ONCE_RECEIVED(0.10)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 15:02:43 -0000 On Fri, 21 Aug 2020, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > On Fri, 21 Aug 2020 07:02:42 +0200 > Polytropon wrote: > > > On Thu, 20 Aug 2020 12:40:32 -0600, @lbutlr wrote: > > > Once a page is in swap it will stay there until it is needed. > > > > Or until the operator deactivates and reactivates swap (using > > the swapoff / swapon programs), which would lead to anything > > still in swap being "synced" with RAM as long as there is enough > > capacity to hold them. THis is of course a heavy interference > > with how the OS manages memory, and often not a good idea. ;-) > > The only time it's a good idea IME is just after some event has > almost but not quite triggered the OOM killer before releasing memory so > far too much has been swapped out. It will come back as needed of course > but recovery is smoother if you force it all back with swapoff. The handbook and something (now lost in the google-sphere) I read suggests that modfied pages a "pre-paged" out just in case. I believe this change was made circa 10.x or later. I have some older systems to support outdated Druple-s and an ecommerce program. They show 0% or close enough. A semi-busy postfix/cyrus system show 0% swapspace used. A 12.1 version with a similiar load shows 13%. Apache/php systems will page fault their way through new process creation continuously. In system that was enough memory where they would never page (in the traditional sense of the word) show a very large number of swapout. 'vmstat -s' will show what's going on in this regard. I have an 11.1 system running apache/php on several jails that is sitting at 40% swapfile usage. It has filled swapspace one and would have a second time except from monitoring. 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I do not have a floppy drive and I do no have any form of anything from Microslut installed or even in the house. How do I create a bootable memstick that contains this exe? (I am on FreeBSD 12.1pl8-amd64) -- Aryeh M. 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I do not have a floppy > drive and I do no have any form of anything from Microslut installed or > even in the house. How do I create a bootable memstick that contains > this exe? (I am on FreeBSD 12.1pl8-amd64) Will FreeDOS work ? -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Aug 21 15:32:22 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 123183C0702 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 15:32:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trkellers@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qk1-x72e.google.com (mail-qk1-x72e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::72e]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BY59c75pXz44fF for ; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 15:32:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trkellers@gmail.com) Received: by mail-qk1-x72e.google.com with SMTP id n129so1706301qkd.6 for ; 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ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 15:38:52 -0000 See reply to Tim Keller On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 11:26 AM Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > On Fri, 21 Aug 2020 11:12:56 -0400 > Aryeh Friedman wrote: > > > I have a *.exe that needs to be run in order to recover the firmware on > > one of my SSD's that requires MSDOS7 to run. I do not have a floppy > > drive and I do no have any form of anything from Microslut installed or > > even in the house. How do I create a bootable memstick that contains > > this exe? (I am on FreeBSD 12.1pl8-amd64) > > Will FreeDOS work ? > > -- > Steve O'Hara-Smith > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- Aryeh M. 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For example FreeDOS does not meet that requirement (as stated on Wikipedia): Windows 95 , Windows 98 and Windows Me use a stripped-down version of MS-DOS. FreeDOS cannot be used as a replacement because of undocumented interfaces between MS-DOS 7.0-8.0 and Windows "4.xx" are not emulated by FreeDOS; however, it can be installed and used beside these systems using a boot manager program, such as BOOTMGR or METAKERN included with FreeDOS. On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 11:12 AM Aryeh Friedman wrote: > I have a *.exe that needs to be run in order to recover the firmware on > one of my SSD's that requires MSDOS7 to run. I do not have a floppy drive > and I do no have any form of anything from Microslut installed or even in > the house. How do I create a bootable memstick that contains this exe? (I > am on FreeBSD 12.1pl8-amd64) > > -- > Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org > -- Aryeh M. 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[174.109.231.236]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id i19sm2064841qkk.68.2020.08.21.09.17.18 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Fri, 21 Aug 2020 09:17:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BY69T28lvz16gw for ; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 12:17:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.102.4 at scorpio.seibercom.net Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 12:17:09 -0400 From: Jerry To: "User Questions" Subject: Re: very slight OT: creating a *bootable* MSDOS7 memstick Message-ID: <20200821121709.08405396@scorpio.seibercom.net> In-Reply-To: References: Reply-To: "User Questions" Organization: seibercom NET X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.5 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.4) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; boundary="Sig_/zRGGejLOUmp3kfOjbzYYzvU"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BY6M80lprz47nB X-Spamd-Bar: ++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=seibercom.net header.s=google header.b=HV5g9dlD; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jerry@seibercom.net designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::741 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jerry@seibercom.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [4.15 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[seibercom.net:+]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; REPLYTO_EQ_TO_ADDR(5.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[174.109.231.236:received]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.40)[-0.403]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[seibercom.net:s=google]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.15)[0.151]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[seibercom.net]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::741:from]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; GREYLIST(0.00)[pass,body]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 16:25:40 -0000 --Sig_/zRGGejLOUmp3kfOjbzYYzvU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 21 Aug 2020 11:39:51 -0400, Aryeh Friedman stated: >Follow up: It must be 100% compatible with MSDOS7. For example >FreeDOS does not meet that requirement (as stated on Wikipedia): > >Windows 95 , Windows 98 > and Windows Me > use a stripped-down version >of MS-DOS. FreeDOS cannot be used as a replacement because of >undocumented interfaces between MS-DOS 7.0-8.0 and Windows "4.xx" are >not emulated by FreeDOS; however, it can be installed and used beside >these systems using a boot manager program, such as BOOTMGR or >METAKERN included with FreeDOS. > >On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 11:12 AM Aryeh Friedman > wrote: > >> I have a *.exe that needs to be run in order to recover the firmware >> on one of my SSD's that requires MSDOS7 to run. I do not have a >> floppy drive and I do no have any form of anything from Microslut >> installed or even in the house. How do I create a bootable >> memstick that contains this exe? 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MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 16:39:21 -0000 On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 12:25 PM Jerry wrote: > On Fri, 21 Aug 2020 11:39:51 -0400, Aryeh Friedman stated: > >Follow up: It must be 100% compatible with MSDOS7. For example > >FreeDOS does not meet that requirement (as stated on Wikipedia): > > > >Windows 95 , Windows 98 > > and Windows Me > > use a stripped-down version > >of MS-DOS. FreeDOS cannot be used as a replacement because of > >undocumented interfaces between MS-DOS 7.0-8.0 and Windows "4.xx" are > >not emulated by FreeDOS; however, it can be installed and used beside > >these systems using a boot manager program, such as BOOTMGR or > >METAKERN included with FreeDOS. > > > >On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 11:12 AM Aryeh Friedman > > wrote: > > > >> I have a *.exe that needs to be run in order to recover the firmware > >> on one of my SSD's that requires MSDOS7 to run. I do not have a > >> floppy drive and I do no have any form of anything from Microslut > >> installed or even in the house. How do I create a bootable > >> memstick that contains this exe? (I am on FreeBSD 12.1pl8-amd64) > > 1) What is the name of this mysterious "*.exe" program? > phison_flash_id.rar (which extracts to an exe of the same prefix) > 2) As a huge FOSS advocate, surely you can find or write a program that > can duplicate the functionality of this unnamed "*.exe" program. > Knock yourself out, I spent 5 hrs attempting to do just that (even better find one that would work on FreeBSD). > -- > Jerry > -- Aryeh M. 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If I remember correctly, it's in the "tk" port (the second part of the Tcl/Tk combination). -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Aug 21 17:22:23 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C920B3C331E for ; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 17:22:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-oi1-x229.google.com (mail-oi1-x229.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::229]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BY7cb00vKz4F8c for ; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 17:22:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com) Received: by mail-oi1-x229.google.com with SMTP id b22so2133442oic.8 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 10:22:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=xaC6pwSoFPPyaxnnUIBRsl78Tl0+mpF02fW8N+lSscs=; b=jRiAaaz6Pu1OvKW7KTZZ8prMcoUTtx6JKULBo7kJ4qzX4HQw7e4pBt7xopV0EnG9k8 fda4eiR5kwP/ynnL0gTeDtItyFCbeQsP7qdDt93k4/mpDnBu0B377wovOAJoRlfsOTk8 XkNfTWuKYABejDsAbamyd1IvgF/nvcppWBmTXUx+DHRMsD/BZXX2ixdakG8r9N7sXqrc DnbA7wSsqREumJCAxyYmIF0sLBaZhuMPcLz2QmolQf0DScptEJhqTpClwpQmAzgijumY YFY6asoapQHj2mMbGCVdVW85qk+yqbwJ/0P9OBiwzQ8DW2Cf1zkEl0JHjnVgWj9axGJL ee6A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=xaC6pwSoFPPyaxnnUIBRsl78Tl0+mpF02fW8N+lSscs=; b=YWl+0s0dwQ85QGHq65cw7TqHV2Bmbhvod/0sOXg3TxF9Z8gwlF/sSVR8Ui8Q9C5Sva eN1DJqicw/KZyAEjoUEf04V4TzoAl5vbxEW/x8/VO0GzoaM3WIwfR0GCFbTo6KyY87Yj oCTsRLpyRtcljb/17chbjt1URnz28K8vcx0dnksTihV4AVWNHFavK/HmYJClk5tBFKff Lc0RcaZPQ62CUT+mOfIWK2Sl/X9LdT74IgXtl7l9i1DTgjIO8apGnCyxiBQ1uJrHO2gF XzGgaUIgzYXkZi/A56BHj/GBbbaIwlmAsF9araw1pN4offVxDv+8eIThD1CvhEcS35J9 WRWg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533hD6+jWv4aOUyNfBHzcQiTMvus8qQeRmOfr45H7deoLLBIaFal 7FUYMbRKiWrOX7PglkaTLN71hfaxW56ef79uVAZVTJkM X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwrWWaavjf1HN3rk0OwBP2O7fueJnV0AjYte32Kzx+BMsUILvi72r60YnbQiV1Df79yJQDcHTNOzPqNFmd2F6k= X-Received: by 2002:aca:afcf:: with SMTP id y198mr2452210oie.95.1598030541626; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 10:22:21 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20200821162638.4842bce99695ab41a1b7ffda@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <20200821162638.4842bce99695ab41a1b7ffda@sohara.org> From: Mehmet Erol Sanliturk Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 20:21:45 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: very slight OT: creating a *bootable* MSDOS7 memstick To: "Steve O'Hara-Smith" Cc: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BY7cb00vKz4F8c X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=jRiAaaz6; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of mesanliturk@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::229 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=mesanliturk@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.37 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.97)[-0.971]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.99)[-0.989]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::229:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.41)[-0.408]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 17:22:23 -0000 On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 6:27 PM Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > On Fri, 21 Aug 2020 11:12:56 -0400 > Aryeh Friedman wrote: > > > I have a *.exe that needs to be run in order to recover the firmware on > > one of my SSD's that requires MSDOS7 to run. I do not have a floppy > > drive and I do no have any form of anything from Microslut installed or > > even in the house. How do I create a bootable memstick that contains > > this exe? (I am on FreeBSD 12.1pl8-amd64) > > Will FreeDOS work ? > > -- > Steve O'Hara-Smith > _______________________________________________ > > There is also ReactOS for executing Windows programs . Another alternative may be Wine in FreeBSD . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Aug 21 17:26:30 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0F3A3C30F2 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 17:26:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-oi1-x231.google.com (mail-oi1-x231.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::231]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BY7jL0RwYz4Fdq for ; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 17:26:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com) Received: by mail-oi1-x231.google.com with SMTP id u24so2148782oic.7 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 10:26:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=hA7BmbY2DYoSUYgHqgEviic/8YpqQwMEH4VVbHODZY4=; b=b5sF+O/cFZUPjU5a5KOFaaesmIH+dBvCMCBSlYh8J+ipYV6V7/LRNEacaKh1FgFvxX ZxxYUWMS9C1s8IxjUGgRr0TOa0TZGAFOpz6/ADVJG35aGxNBC/hZky7dPNIA5Uf8cKaF NvP0nHTsTvohFXMJZHkmyBEB5A5XlG6HpchfahakaeDUdM6OvlFOKqeALsF4iKe71+rV 74O+O1iCB6kFYS+L9fBujBJMftD2x4+NdVkEl4vFARu757PtqZ1vPVjjIzBOg8ELGgi1 CS/RKl7zXKJSChS7Cm3PUmk/WqNyJAO9zzu/ui2wKLVUCGy4/UC6yYN78cWDyNLYbKaM 978A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=hA7BmbY2DYoSUYgHqgEviic/8YpqQwMEH4VVbHODZY4=; b=PUOmo9k+cG8PtIahcfmhxsuULnYBGF5voDaBlL4/w/Bxkug9P4Q4FXQzq7hxvZQQmA napkXhCiclAhUmqNDYlhRTbfCQ+/cFZiPQAIBy7t8i4dhELF0iWdLgAFM1jf/+lBq+jd j8/hrrtpawwF4H1Gyr1kMeFWT/CASBk0R0A50+r4nDhOdYr/uSHBhrQ7Ow+8g36C73gB zn7J0xjmcR5ffAmUQwPoyb6xA/6S7kS93bm/YGZMc3Db9RoQraUNBA0AA5dn0xpGTUsX kR+yGGjY2VhOrsNbDqdoKcA3KEi3jxI8vFwv52ndIuF8YE+0ujgjJpx/v4dMz2TdWfaM ZrZw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532L6uTbrMz1spD8z+nPQYWRjHMsARdSjLNJ/BvENGyn6i434k1f gD9/3CBhwp+YJ5bx2Epd0QQA+VntwYwTWxzU4I89fwsjxKs= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwbs4kD7EY1Z3XFoLTFygUQ+r46vJz0GnPangNvYd902ADWaEf4jwq34Ub37/HQ1iH+lh0cRIiwf6Rj6fhbUSY= X-Received: by 2002:aca:b942:: with SMTP id j63mr2401495oif.28.1598030788861; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 10:26:28 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20200821162638.4842bce99695ab41a1b7ffda@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <20200821162638.4842bce99695ab41a1b7ffda@sohara.org> From: Mehmet Erol Sanliturk Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 20:25:51 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: very slight OT: creating a *bootable* MSDOS7 memstick To: "Steve O'Hara-Smith" Cc: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BY7jL0RwYz4Fdq X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=b5sF+O/c; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of mesanliturk@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::231 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=mesanliturk@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.54 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.97)[-0.973]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.99)[-0.992]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::231:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.58)[-0.576]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 17:26:30 -0000 On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 6:27 PM Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > On Fri, 21 Aug 2020 11:12:56 -0400 > Aryeh Friedman wrote: > > > I have a *.exe that needs to be run in order to recover the firmware on > > one of my SSD's that requires MSDOS7 to run. I do not have a floppy > > drive and I do no have any form of anything from Microslut installed or > > even in the house. How do I create a bootable memstick that contains > > this exe? (I am on FreeBSD 12.1pl8-amd64) > > Will FreeDOS work ? > > -- > Steve O'Hara-Smith > _______________________________________________ > Another alternative : https://www.freshports.org/emulators/dosbox Mehmet Erol Sanliturk From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Aug 21 17:27:39 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 413C53C3627 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 17:27:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BY7kf2T8Sz4FvK for ; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 17:27:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from point.uchicago.edu (point.uchicago.edu [128.135.52.6]) (Authenticated sender: galtsev) by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7E06B4E69F for ; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 12:27:30 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: very slight OT: creating a *bootable* MSDOS7 memstick To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20200821162638.4842bce99695ab41a1b7ffda@sohara.org> From: Valeri Galtsev Message-ID: <22e5021c-866d-6e29-005e-a379e88ec5a5@kicp.uchicago.edu> Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 12:27:28 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BY7kf2T8Sz4FvK X-Spamd-Bar: + Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="No valid SPF, No valid DKIM" header.from=uchicago.edu (policy=none); spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu has no SPF policy when checking 128.135.20.70) smtp.mailfrom=galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.59 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.34)[0.344]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.49)[0.490]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.66)[0.659]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:160, ipnet:128.135.0.0/16, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[uchicago.edu : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 17:27:39 -0000 On 2020-08-21 12:21, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: > On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 6:27 PM Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > >> On Fri, 21 Aug 2020 11:12:56 -0400 >> Aryeh Friedman wrote: >> >>> I have a *.exe that needs to be run in order to recover the firmware on >>> one of my SSD's that requires MSDOS7 to run. I do not have a floppy >>> drive and I do no have any form of anything from Microslut installed or >>> even in the house. How do I create a bootable memstick that contains >>> this exe? (I am on FreeBSD 12.1pl8-amd64) >> >> Will FreeDOS work ? >> >> -- >> Steve O'Hara-Smith >> _______________________________________________ >> >> > > There is also ReactOS for executing Windows programs . > Another alternative may be Wine in FreeBSD . > ReactOS resembles MS Windows 3.1 for workgroups. That is, it is free (open source?) system mimicking behavior of MS Windows 3.1 for workgroups. Am I correct? Is that still active/live project? Valeri > > Mehmet Erol Sanliturk > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Aug 21 17:31:41 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC7A93C38B2 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 17:31:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ot1-x329.google.com (mail-ot1-x329.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::329]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BY7qK069Bz4GFL for ; 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Fri, 21 Aug 2020 10:31:39 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20200821162638.4842bce99695ab41a1b7ffda@sohara.org> <22e5021c-866d-6e29-005e-a379e88ec5a5@kicp.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: <22e5021c-866d-6e29-005e-a379e88ec5a5@kicp.uchicago.edu> From: Mehmet Erol Sanliturk Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 20:31:02 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: very slight OT: creating a *bootable* MSDOS7 memstick To: Valeri Galtsev Cc: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BY7qK069Bz4GFL X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=R4BQeVoE; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of mesanliturk@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::329 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=mesanliturk@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.54 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.98)[-0.975]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.99)[-0.995]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::329:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.57)[-0.570]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 17:31:42 -0000 On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 8:27 PM Valeri Galtsev wrote: > > > On 2020-08-21 12:21, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: > > On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 6:27 PM Steve O'Hara-Smith > wrote: > > > >> On Fri, 21 Aug 2020 11:12:56 -0400 > >> Aryeh Friedman wrote: > >> > >>> I have a *.exe that needs to be run in order to recover the firmware on > >>> one of my SSD's that requires MSDOS7 to run. I do not have a floppy > >>> drive and I do no have any form of anything from Microslut installed or > >>> even in the house. How do I create a bootable memstick that contains > >>> this exe? (I am on FreeBSD 12.1pl8-amd64) > >> > >> Will FreeDOS work ? > >> > >> -- > >> Steve O'Hara-Smith > >> _______________________________________________ > >> > >> > > > > There is also ReactOS for executing Windows programs . > > Another alternative may be Wine in FreeBSD . > > > > ReactOS resembles MS Windows 3.1 for workgroups. That is, it is free > (open source?) system mimicking behavior of MS Windows 3.1 for > workgroups. Am I correct? Is that still active/live project? > > Valeri > > > > > Mehmet Erol Sanliturk > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > -- > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Valeri Galtsev > Sr System Administrator > Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics > Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics > University of Chicago > Phone: 773-702-4247 > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > https://reactos.org/ https://github.com/reactos/reactos Mehmet Erol Sanliturk From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Aug 21 17:44:01 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE58E3C4815 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 17:44:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from nightmare.dreamchaser.org (ns.dreamchaser.org [66.109.141.57]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "dreamchaser.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BY85X5Pw6z4HND for ; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 17:44:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from breakaway.dreamchaser.org (breakaway [192.168.151.122]) by nightmare.dreamchaser.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 07LHhqd9046376 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 11:43:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) To: FreeBSD Mailing List Reply-To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org From: Gary Aitken Subject: portsnap belated complaint? Message-ID: <332bdd11-40f3-b5af-7683-aca6494abe6e@dreamchaser.org> Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 11:42:23 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.11.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.2 (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [192.168.151.101]); Fri, 21 Aug 2020 11:43:52 -0600 (MDT) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BY85X5Pw6z4HND X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@dreamchaser.org designates 66.109.141.57 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@dreamchaser.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.30 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@dreamchaser.org]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.48)[-0.482]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.11)[-0.115]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[dreamchaser.org]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.41)[-0.408]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:21947, ipnet:66.109.128.0/19, country:US]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 17:44:01 -0000 Can someone explain why the portsnap update below seems to have succeeded (patches applied), but then afterwards I get the message about needing to run portsnap extract? 11.3-RELEASE-p6 (upgraded from 10.something some time ago) I believe the ports tree was generated when the OS was installed, but not sure. I'm also not sure how /usr/ports was upgraded after the OS upgrade. # portsnap fetch ... Extracting snapshot... done. ... Ports tree hasn't changed since last snapshot. No updates needed. # portsnap fetch update ... Fetching 4 metadata patches... done. Applying metadata patches... done. Fetching 0 metadata files... done. Fetching 22 patches. (22/22) 100.00% done. done. Applying patches... done. Fetching 2 new ports or files... done. /usr/ports was not created by portsnap. You must run 'portsnap extract' before running 'portsnap update'. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Aug 21 18:11:57 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C94DB3C477C for ; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 18:11:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.10]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BY8jm52fTz4JLF for ; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 18:11:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([178.12.112.48]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue106 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MKbwg-1juwQ92qMu-00KttD; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 20:11:45 +0200 Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 20:11:45 +0200 From: Polytropon To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: portsnap belated complaint? 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According to the manual "man 8 portsnap": fetch Fetch a compressed snapshot of the ports tree, or update the existing snapshot. This command should only be used inter- actively; for non-interactive use, you should use the cron command. extract Extract a ports tree, replacing existing files and directo- ries. NOTE: This will remove anything occupying the loca- tion where files or directories are being extracted; in par- ticular, any changes made locally to the ports tree (for ex- ample, adding new patches) will be silently obliterated. Only run this command to initialize your portsnap-maintained ports tree for the first time, if you wish to start over with a clean, completely unmodified tree, or if you wish to extract a specific part of the tree (using the path option). update Update a ports tree extracted using the extract command. You must run this command to apply changes to your ports tree after downloading updates via the fetch or cron com- mands. Again, note that in the parts of the ports tree which are being updated, any local changes or additions will be removed. Something went wrong in your case. You probably should remove /usr/ports and obtain a fresh copy using the "fetch" and "extract" operations to make sure the snapshot is okay. Further updates to that snapshot can then be obtained using the "fetch" and "update" operation. You can find examples in the EXAMPLES section. :-) Also see chapter 4.5 of The FreeBSD Handbook, procedure 4.1: https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/ports-using.html Everything you see matches the expected behaviour according to your problem description: > I believe the ports tree was generated when the OS was installed, > [...] > # portsnap fetch > [...] > # portsnap fetch update > [...] > /usr/ports was not created by portsnap. Whatever you have fetched, it was never extracted; what is still present in /usr/ports is not "compatible" with portsnap, that's why my suggestion to start with a fresh snapshot as explained above. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Aug 21 18:22:55 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89CFD3C5643 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 18:22:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kuku@kukulies.org) Received: from mail.kukulies.org (mail.kukulies.org [116.203.115.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BY8yQ6Hhfz4Kmv for ; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 18:22:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kuku@kukulies.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.kukulies.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FADB10276A; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 20:22:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.kukulies.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.kukulies.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eyr9uVIAIjwh; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 20:22:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: from christophs-macbook-pro.fritz.box (p57a1fff5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [87.161.255.245]) by mail.kukulies.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 75B06102769; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 20:22:52 +0200 (CEST) From: Christoph Kukulies Message-Id: <2D80B694-4DE8-43D7-9C73-26A135585362@kukulies.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_51BFDF9A-F9A7-417B-AEA8-51F977B1A34F"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.1\)) Subject: Re: I wish I had wish Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 20:22:51 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20200821185724.9ec46e4a.freebsd@edvax.de> Cc: Ruben via freebsd-questions To: Polytropon References: <899F50B9-5152-4EA5-BF4A-A4D5F47931ED@kukulies.org> <20200821185724.9ec46e4a.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.1) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BY8yQ6Hhfz4Kmv X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kuku@kukulies.org has no SPF policy when checking 116.203.115.43) smtp.mailfrom=kuku@kukulies.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.57 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ATTACHMENT(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.46)[-0.463]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:+,3:~,4:~]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:116.203.0.0/16, country:DE]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[87.161.255.245:received]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FREEFALL_USER(0.00)[kuku]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; SIGNED_SMIME(-2.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.23)[-0.225]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,multipart/alternative,text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[kukulies.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.72)[0.723]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 18:22:55 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_51BFDF9A-F9A7-417B-AEA8-51F977B1A34F Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Thanks. I installed bsvc from github, compiled and installed it. When I = then ran bsvc I got exec: wish not found Now I found that bsvc is part of the ports collection. So I did a pkg = install bsvc which automatically install tcl/tk (8.6 I believe). So far so good. wish isn=E2=80=99t there. 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Message-ID: <20200821193243.622b63e5@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <332bdd11-40f3-b5af-7683-aca6494abe6e@dreamchaser.org> References: <332bdd11-40f3-b5af-7683-aca6494abe6e@dreamchaser.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.5 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.1) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BY99t6R2Wz4LDc X-Spamd-Bar: - X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.66 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[googlemail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[googlemail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[googlemail.com,quarantine]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.37)[-0.367]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[2.217.224.242:received]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[googlemail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[googlemail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.71)[-0.707]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[googlemail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.59)[-0.586]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::331:from]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 18:32:51 -0000 On Fri, 21 Aug 2020 11:42:23 -0600 Gary Aitken wrote: > Can someone explain why the portsnap update below seems to have > succeeded (patches applied), but then afterwards I get the message > about needing to run portsnap extract? > > 11.3-RELEASE-p6 (upgraded from 10.something some time ago) > I believe the ports tree was generated when the OS was installed, but > not sure. I'm also not sure how /usr/ports was upgraded after the OS > upgrade. It wont be updated by when updating base. > # portsnap fetch This updates the compressed snapshot under /var, not the actual tree. > Extracting snapshot... done. ... > /usr/ports was not created by portsnap. > You must run 'portsnap extract' before running 'portsnap update'. portsnap has first to write the full tree with a "portsnap extract" This also writes a hidden data file that identifies file or port versions under that tree. Once that file is in place you use "update" instead. In general it's not a good idea to mix tools on the same tree or adopt a tree, so I'd delete everything under /usr/ports and run: portsnap fetch extract you then subsequently update with portsnap fetch update From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Aug 21 18:52:16 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39DC73C5E30 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 18:52:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from holgerdanske.com (holgerdanske.com [184.105.128.27]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "www.holgerdanske.com", Issuer "www.holgerdanske.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BY9cH0jbMz4Lq2 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 18:52:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from 99.100.19.101 (99-100-19-101.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net [99.100.19.101]) by holgerdanske.com with ESMTPSA (TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:TLSv1.3:Kx=any:Au=any:Enc=AESGCM(128):Mac=AEAD) (SMTP-AUTH username dpchrist@holgerdanske.com, mechanism PLAIN) for ; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 11:52:05 -0700 Subject: Re: very slight OT: creating a *bootable* MSDOS7 memstick To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: David Christensen Message-ID: <790ca4b0-1367-ed7b-310d-f6976c98899e@holgerdanske.com> Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 11:52:04 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BY9cH0jbMz4Lq2 X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dpchrist@holgerdanske.com has no SPF policy when checking 184.105.128.27) smtp.mailfrom=dpchrist@holgerdanske.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.53 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.94)[0.943]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.33)[-0.326]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.01)[1.010]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[holgerdanske.com]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:184.104.0.0/15, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 18:52:16 -0000 On 2020-08-21 08:12, Aryeh Friedman wrote: > I have a *.exe that needs to be run in order to recover the firmware on one > of my SSD's that requires MSDOS7 to run. I do not have a floppy drive and > I do no have any form of anything from Microslut installed or even in the > house. How do I create a bootable memstick that contains this exe? (I am > on FreeBSD 12.1pl8-amd64) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS-DOS_7 "MS-DOS 7 is a computer operating system which has never been released separately by its creator Microsoft,[1] but which corresponds to the basic (real mode) of the Windows 9x family of operating systems. Windows 95 reports to be MS-DOS 7.0, while Windows 98 and Windows 98SE report as 7.1." Does the software require Windows 95 or newer, or will it only run on Windows 95, 98, and 98SE? 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I do not have a floppy drive > and > > I do no have any form of anything from Microslut installed or even in the > > house. How do I create a bootable memstick that contains this exe? (I > am > > on FreeBSD 12.1pl8-amd64) > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS-DOS_7 > > "MS-DOS 7 is a computer operating system which has never been > released separately by its creator Microsoft,[1] but which corresponds > to the basic (real mode) of the Windows 9x family of operating systems. > Windows 95 reports to be MS-DOS 7.0, while Windows 98 and Windows 98SE > report as 7.1." > > > Does the software require Windows 95 or newer, or will it only run on > Windows 95, 98, and 98SE? > XP > > > David > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Aug 21 19:16:48 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 837A83C68F3 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 19:16:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from holgerdanske.com (holgerdanske.com [184.105.128.27]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "www.holgerdanske.com", Issuer "www.holgerdanske.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BYB8b4Qmzz4NXG for ; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 19:16:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from 99.100.19.101 (99-100-19-101.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net [99.100.19.101]) by holgerdanske.com with ESMTPSA (TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:TLSv1.3:Kx=any:Au=any:Enc=AESGCM(128):Mac=AEAD) (SMTP-AUTH username dpchrist@holgerdanske.com, mechanism PLAIN) for ; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 12:16:37 -0700 Subject: Re: very slight OT: creating a *bootable* MSDOS7 memstick To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <790ca4b0-1367-ed7b-310d-f6976c98899e@holgerdanske.com> From: David Christensen Message-ID: Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 12:16:37 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BYB8b4Qmzz4NXG X-Spamd-Bar: +++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dpchrist@holgerdanske.com has no SPF policy when checking 184.105.128.27) smtp.mailfrom=dpchrist@holgerdanske.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [3.09 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.23)[0.235]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.94)[0.944]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.01)[1.010]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[holgerdanske.com]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:184.104.0.0/15, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 19:16:48 -0000 On 2020-08-21 12:00, Aryeh Friedman wrote: > On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 2:52 PM David Christensen > wrote: > >> On 2020-08-21 08:12, Aryeh Friedman wrote: >>> I have a *.exe that needs to be run in order to recover the firmware on >> one >>> of my SSD's that requires MSDOS7 to run. >> Does the software require Windows 95 or newer, or will it only run on >> Windows 95, 98, and 98SE? >> > > XP Buy a used computer with Windows XP. David From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Aug 21 19:20:20 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 302703C6E89 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 19:20:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from mail-il1-x135.google.com (mail-il1-x135.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::135]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BYBDg1qN0z4NQZ for ; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 19:20:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by mail-il1-x135.google.com with SMTP id f75so2034467ilh.3 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 12:20:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=cUkeDrCtGjCx0dSIhwQQyjJJn6itaZUZoxPImhKndVA=; b=f12nvKknrf2vMSIzJM+bvPZ+e2pwhD18ily/VNiG+UJ1Ro/A70AOQynNzm/hx68iaG MkJayT5ePLvYbazsK73O4//pGcmaagAhJ8clNWCLnuFyXOOdoWLKGOIN4O/i+iyfz+JX V6rt1bOqTaCLWhggaJfK/GWi5WQkVo6zki4x3DRgdjcMREKZFU5ob503OhdEPRuJu9rb /mud0A9i5X8dwEmc53aD5ssaAw/Fw8AVO0StBxy/adiG0sDVXe2uy7uWzC6LcPm6QiR2 zbdA/YDAESlOojiTbCfMT3XBp1kSrDoEugRZnwi/2bdB/9fpBSvm55BKPczyueujBJ02 XiPg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=cUkeDrCtGjCx0dSIhwQQyjJJn6itaZUZoxPImhKndVA=; b=rtp+OW6aM7dM2dRUgn+8ol35Od/I1J2SFeGDvs8uRKBUBa/0aHcIkxh5ae623lIvUU I8fqCVX+dlUouneYMW5OwRX7XLe+ulC5ORJk+lyIkmme3dYlg6gnW/2wzqIqDKFr+MFE W2hkFk0H7mP/YUViU1DQNq3VXs58E2MwfIOgWH5HjHdQhvpt124AQNraIUv3WBXaoWyt fGA+S4h5gvJNc4F3bMi8RSlqJhAftHKd8J2JS8bCN6Dsxrx1aEeUAx2FQlOZpqjznDP4 ouacierK9sV7/iBAWHcitbZzDEAsTWZxMScrg9ddY7m5HxAskOIFcw5wg7U0YsOl3DUc oMPw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531yv6DOnhgOrT5eTc/+FUMehYaAV/BOsQsfweGTrG7wi3BYqD0G tl2phrWMFShBXGUe3FnHMF8dnsN6mHcNm0LGqz8= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzGJU9QIhAQ6wP5CHAjxJ6KM1Itof2/GQGmDjzMdAjIIpMPg3jUjeFJahfFg2JFXyyT4EEtfYyx7JxpdaFMmus= X-Received: by 2002:a92:5f19:: with SMTP id t25mr3599686ilb.119.1598037618159; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 12:20:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <790ca4b0-1367-ed7b-310d-f6976c98899e@holgerdanske.com> In-Reply-To: From: Aryeh Friedman Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 15:20:07 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: very slight OT: creating a *bootable* MSDOS7 memstick To: David Christensen Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BYBDg1qN0z4NQZ X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=f12nvKkn; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of aryehfriedman@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::135 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=aryehfriedman@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.75 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.97)[-0.971]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.99)[-0.989]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::135:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.79)[-0.790]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 19:20:20 -0000 On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 3:16 PM David Christensen wrote: > On 2020-08-21 12:00, Aryeh Friedman wrote: > > On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 2:52 PM David Christensen < > dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> > > wrote: > > > >> On 2020-08-21 08:12, Aryeh Friedman wrote: > >>> I have a *.exe that needs to be run in order to recover the firmware on > >> one > >>> of my SSD's that requires MSDOS7 to run. > > >> Does the software require Windows 95 or newer, or will it only run on > >> Windows 95, 98, and 98SE? > >> > > > > XP > > Buy a used computer with Windows XP. > Are you F'ing serious!?!?!?!.... I am just attempting to revive a bricked up SSD thats all I need the exe I am attempting to run: ada0: ACS-4 ATA SATA 3.x device Inland Pro 250 GB SSD (oem for phsion 311 chipset) -- Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Aug 21 19:43:06 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CAC03C745F for ; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 19:43:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from holgerdanske.com (holgerdanske.com [184.105.128.27]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "www.holgerdanske.com", Issuer "www.holgerdanske.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BYBkx1vvTz4Q23 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 19:43:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from 99.100.19.101 (99-100-19-101.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net [99.100.19.101]) by holgerdanske.com with ESMTPSA (TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:TLSv1.3:Kx=any:Au=any:Enc=AESGCM(128):Mac=AEAD) (SMTP-AUTH username dpchrist@holgerdanske.com, mechanism PLAIN) for ; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 12:43:01 -0700 Subject: Re: very slight OT: creating a *bootable* MSDOS7 memstick To: Aryeh Friedman Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List References: <790ca4b0-1367-ed7b-310d-f6976c98899e@holgerdanske.com> From: David Christensen Message-ID: Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 12:43:01 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BYBkx1vvTz4Q23 X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dpchrist@holgerdanske.com has no SPF policy when checking 184.105.128.27) smtp.mailfrom=dpchrist@holgerdanske.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.15 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[holgerdanske.com]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.73)[0.732]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.30)[-0.297]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.81)[0.810]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:184.104.0.0/15, country:US]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 19:43:06 -0000 On 2020-08-21 12:20, Aryeh Friedman wrote: > On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 3:16 PM David Christensen > wrote: > >> On 2020-08-21 12:00, Aryeh Friedman wrote: >>> On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 2:52 PM David Christensen < >> dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> On 2020-08-21 08:12, Aryeh Friedman wrote: >>>>> I have a *.exe that needs to be run in order to recover the firmware on >>>> one >>>>> of my SSD's that requires MSDOS7 to run. >> >>>> Does the software require Windows 95 or newer, or will it only run on >>>> Windows 95, 98, and 98SE? >>>> >>> >>> XP >> >> Buy a used computer with Windows XP. >> > > Are you F'ing serious!?!?!?!.... I am just attempting to revive a bricked > up SSD thats all I need the exe I am attempting to run: > > ada0: ACS-4 ATA SATA 3.x device > Inland Pro 250 GB SSD (oem for phsion 311 chipset) Yes, I am serious. Time equals money. Waste another 5 hours of your time if do not believe me. Repeat until you do. 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Markov" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: I wish I had wish Message-Id: <20200821154924.7435a86b33f246f715fb33e5@aim.com> In-Reply-To: <899F50B9-5152-4EA5-BF4A-A4D5F47931ED@kukulies.org> References: <899F50B9-5152-4EA5-BF4A-A4D5F47931ED@kukulies.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BYBtK0fQdz4PpL X-Spamd-Bar: -- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.69 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[aim.com:s=a2048]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[aim.com]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.93)[-0.934]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.86)[-0.861]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[aim.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[aim.com,reject]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[74.6.134.124:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.39)[-0.393]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:74.6.128.0/21]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[aim.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:26101, ipnet:74.6.128.0/21, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[74.6.134.124:from] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 19:49:30 -0000 On Fri, 21 Aug 2020 18:35:09 +0200 Christoph Kukulies wrote: > By which port or package do I get ?wish? (the tcl shell) into FreeBSD (12= .1)? >=20 > ? > Christoph >=20 I made a dos 6.22 bootable memstick long ago in Freebsd. I looked and msdos= 7.1 can be downloaded. This is my old script. Maybe some things need tweak= ing for your case. #!/bin/sh # empty the disk of all data dd if=3D/dev/zero of=3D/dev/da0 bs=3D1m count=3D2 # Create a master boot record on the disk gpart create -s MBR da0 # add a 64MB slice (partition) of a type gpart add -s 64m -t \!6 da0 #fat16 #gpart add -s 64m -t \!12 da0 #fat32 # set the first slice (partitiion) active on dev da0 gpart set -a active -i 1 da0 # place the bootcode in the MBR gpart bootcode -b /boot/mbr da0 # make file system nd install bootstrap code newfs_msdos -B /home/vlad/mkDos/bootsect -o 63 /dev/da0s1 #newfs_msdos -F 32 -c 1 -S 512 -C 34089472 -B /home/vlad/mkDos/bootsect -o= 63 /dev/da0s1 mount_msdosfs /dev/da0s1 /mnt cd /mnt && touch IO.SYS MSDOS.SYS COMMAND.COM cp /home/vlad/mkDos/dosFiles/* /mnt umount /mnt --=20 I dream of a better tomorrow, where chickens can cross the road and not be = questioned about their motives.? ? 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Markov" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: very slight OT: creating a *bootable* MSDOS7 memstick Message-Id: <20200821161253.c058d5d8dbaa0bc2a65139c0@aim.com> In-Reply-To: <83bc6915-fd36-846c-841f-ebfc159c46c7@gmail.com> References: <83bc6915-fd36-846c-841f-ebfc159c46c7@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BYCPQ48GYz4RS0 X-Spamd-Bar: / X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.50 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[aim.com:s=a2048]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[aim.com]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[aim.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[aim.com,reject]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[74.6.128.83:from]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:74.6.128.0/21]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[aim.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:26101, ipnet:74.6.128.0/21, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[74.6.128.83:from] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 20:13:00 -0000 On Fri, 21 Aug 2020 12:39:55 -0400 TIM KELLERS wrote: >=20 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" Replied to wrong email before, oops. #!/bin/sh # empty the disk of all data dd if=3D/dev/zero of=3D/dev/da0 bs=3D1m count=3D2 # Create a master boot record on the disk gpart create -s MBR da0 # add a 64MB slice (partition) of a type gpart add -s 64m -t \!6 da0 #fat16 #gpart add -s 64m -t \!12 da0 #fat32 # set the first slice (partitiion) active on dev da0 gpart set -a active -i 1 da0 # place the bootcode in the MBR gpart bootcode -b /boot/mbr da0 # make file system nd install bootstrap code newfs_msdos -B /home/vlad/mkDos/bootsect -o 63 /dev/da0s1 #newfs_msdos -F 32 -c 1 -S 512 -C 34089472 -B /home/vlad/mkDos/bootsect -o= 63 /dev/da0s1 mount_msdosfs /dev/da0s1 /mnt cd /mnt && touch IO.SYS MSDOS.SYS COMMAND.COM cp /home/vlad/mkDos/dosFiles/* /mnt umount /mnt ~ --=20 I dream of a better tomorrow, where chickens can cross the road and not be = questioned about their motives.? ? Ralph Waldo Emerson From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Aug 21 20:13:35 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A8AE3C8071 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 20:13:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from mail-il1-x136.google.com (mail-il1-x136.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::136]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BYCQ630tyz4RbF for ; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 20:13:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by mail-il1-x136.google.com with SMTP id k4so2418851ilr.12 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 13:13:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=piXfrBdJJluYh9Q+esunpQO/6+pekpo15eyF8LXX3UA=; b=AC97sVwn2vlcFiu2+XCaGnYqobHoUh+sQWWvbfq52i4f6+GsMfqGN5j3AlGDnnxi5P 6ntLeuF6Mrq+5zqn5XfgzmK4vDnlAE5erSEVDpsgbq5QFnpNDVGdq8GcZ2a9VQX+11gH r5sQUlldc7ytWi81PNihjKtKRyBTefY8TgFo542odo6P2OSq0TjLXj1WsUhmwApGnfby M6L+nyKwwQpXtxoX4aVfXhxNHwoLImqnwrRHM7Iscs7LvV37NLuXMrbcxYxv5LmR4wgl r5vAnADX7UzDGMjJHXG/mPMzGdAQSRJJFtekXuRHI/igx8c0E2ftA6skSIzGh9D0OnWW YY+A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=piXfrBdJJluYh9Q+esunpQO/6+pekpo15eyF8LXX3UA=; b=dpg4dnIp3A6ocC68mQ2sh+woyvsifNDASuBuGPdfOYAO/aq0vSDvoz5VvFTgJ58xVl GA5HCLDN2gtbe96zmyKfqsfsvS6a22FX7HiLh6HJl6vFU8tH3GArSGQ3WJyKmoUhT7dD q3S5afjijt8zMnq2exr8umRtEl68riFgbKQ9kLZGH4i+WjlB8YXlht6+FZu4DO9SbcT3 37zlzu73sFizdtvb+LrX5ACquM4z5IRJa93nN3sz1G4KIS7AMcUfW0CthQdNNrVsFsfe V3WUhg/GqOC02/pxnv8xFQ2KsCnhohQoxVJBsBtBXXyH7MljS/C25ihQp/abIilvmNgm NMKA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533Jz5MZ7mBIaK0x6zYwISr4ZNZ3v4HOtXlVJGH8GDzA2yib+78M WXxMDUfnGIdIlXQBRo6LseUcSRr055Nv6nCLy48= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJw6vuQxTkk4wzY5dxJz12n8Q+MmkL52Rb4yyZ8Av017iqJzlHSGuKQH9ZR1z1viZZfq6JAe2AGnFxtDXwxdopc= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6e02:1066:: with SMTP id q6mr3812634ilj.29.1598040812308; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 13:13:32 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <790ca4b0-1367-ed7b-310d-f6976c98899e@holgerdanske.com> In-Reply-To: From: Aryeh Friedman Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 16:13:21 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: very slight OT: creating a *bootable* MSDOS7 memstick To: David Christensen Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BYCQ630tyz4RbF X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=AC97sVwn; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of aryehfriedman@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::136 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=aryehfriedman@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.00 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::136:from]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 20:13:35 -0000 On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 3:43 PM David Christensen wrote: > On 2020-08-21 12:20, Aryeh Friedman wrote: > > On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 3:16 PM David Christensen < > dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> > > wrote: > > > >> On 2020-08-21 12:00, Aryeh Friedman wrote: > >>> On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 2:52 PM David Christensen < > >> dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> On 2020-08-21 08:12, Aryeh Friedman wrote: > >>>>> I have a *.exe that needs to be run in order to recover the firmware > on > >>>> one > >>>>> of my SSD's that requires MSDOS7 to run. > >> > >>>> Does the software require Windows 95 or newer, or will it only run on > >>>> Windows 95, 98, and 98SE? > >>>> > >>> > >>> XP > >> > >> Buy a used computer with Windows XP. > >> > > > > Are you F'ing serious!?!?!?!.... I am just attempting to revive a bricked > > up SSD thats all I need the exe I am attempting to run: > > > > ada0: ACS-4 ATA SATA 3.x device > > Inland Pro 250 GB SSD (oem for phsion 311 chipset) > > Yes, I am serious. Time equals money. Waste another 5 hours of your > time if do not believe me. Repeat until you do. > Thank you for pointing out what is wrong with certain parts of the industry (almost always found in organizations that have more money then common sense)... throw money at a problem instead of *ACTUALLY* understanding and fixing it right... news for you not everyone is made out of money... and even if I was it would take longer than 5 hours to find a suitable machine, buy it, have it shipped, etc. > > David > -- Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Aug 21 21:34:51 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CAF23CA711 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 21:34:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carlj@peak.org) Received: from smtp.email-protect.gosecure.net (smtp.email-protect.gosecure.net [208.80.202.2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.email-protect.gosecure.net", Issuer "Thawte RSA CA 2018" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BYFCn31psz4cs1 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 21:34:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carlj@peak.org) Received: from envoy14.neonova.net ([137.118.58.100]) by smtp.email-protect.gosecure.net ({a5d26f16-a20f-11ea-85ac-edb2fe27a086}) via TCP (outbound) with ESMTP id 20200821213425667_00001189 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 14:34:25 -0700 X-RC-FROM: X-RC-RCPT: Received: from elm.localnet (unknown [199.58.99.76]) (Authenticated sender: carlj@peak.org) by envoy14.neonova.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 4BYFCK0ZH3z9tKg for ; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 17:34:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localnet ([127.0.0.1] helo=elm.localnet) by elm.localnet with esmtps (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92.3 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1k9Efz-000Oe4-H9 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 14:34:19 -0700 Received: (from carlj@localhost) by elm.localnet (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id 07LLYI8V094739; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 14:34:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from carlj) From: Carl Johnson To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: I wish I had wish References: <899F50B9-5152-4EA5-BF4A-A4D5F47931ED@kukulies.org> <20200821185724.9ec46e4a.freebsd@edvax.de> <2D80B694-4DE8-43D7-9C73-26A135585362@kukulies.org> Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 14:34:18 -0700 In-Reply-To: <2D80B694-4DE8-43D7-9C73-26A135585362@kukulies.org> (Christoph Kukulies's message of "Fri, 21 Aug 2020 20:22:51 +0200") Message-ID: <86d03j8yzp.fsf@elm.localnet> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MAG-OUTBOUND: greymail.email-protect.gosecure.net@137.118.58.100/32 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BYFCn31psz4cs1 X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=peak.org; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of carlj@peak.org designates 208.80.202.2 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=carlj@peak.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.80 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_VERYGOOD(0.00)[208.80.202.2:from]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:208.80.200.0/21]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[peak.org,none]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:14618, ipnet:208.80.202.0/23, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 21:34:51 -0000 Christoph Kukulies writes: > Thanks. I installed bsvc from github, compiled and installed it. When I t= hen ran > > bsvc > > I got exec: wish not found > > Now I found that bsvc is part of the ports collection. So I did a pkg > install bsvc which automatically install tcl/tk (8.6 I believe). > > So far so good. wish isn=E2=80=99t there. The tk86 package contains wish8.6, so I assume you could symbolic link that to wish. >> Am 21.08.2020 um 18:57 schrieb Polytropon : >>=20 >> On Fri, 21 Aug 2020 18:35:09 +0200, Christoph Kukulies wrote: >>> By which port or package do I get =E2=80=9Ewish=E2=80=9C (the tcl shell= ) into >>> FreeBSD (12.1)? >>=20 >> If I remember correctly, it's in the "tk" port (the second >> part of the Tcl/Tk combination). >>=20 > --=20 Carl Johnson carlj@peak.org From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Aug 21 21:45:34 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26BF53CB17B for ; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 21:45:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kdunn@acm.org) Received: from brown.elm.relay.mailchannels.net (brown.elm.relay.mailchannels.net [23.83.212.23]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BYFSD4wCfz3SnB for ; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 21:45:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kdunn@acm.org) X-Sender-Id: hybczc27zq|env-sender|kdunn@acm.org Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48992480E96; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 21:45:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fly.hiwaay.net (100-96-21-39.trex.outbound.svc.cluster.local [100.96.21.39]) (Authenticated sender: hybczc27zq) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 8A891480BED; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 21:45:29 +0000 (UTC) X-Sender-Id: hybczc27zq|env-sender|kdunn@acm.org Received: from fly.hiwaay.net (fly.hiwaay.net [216.180.157.4]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/5.18.8); Fri, 21 Aug 2020 21:45:30 +0000 X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: hybczc27zq|env-sender|kdunn@acm.org X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: hybczc27zq X-Inform-Snatch: 2d5b602252d67f44_1598046330116_3843640830 X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1598046330116:304744149 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1598046330116 Received: from fly.hiwaay.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by fly.hiwaay.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/fly) with ESMTP id 07LLjSfi017323; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 16:45:28 -0500 Received: from localhost (kldunn@localhost) by fly.hiwaay.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/fly-submit) with ESMTP id 07LLjRHJ017314; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 16:45:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: fly.hiwaay.net: kldunn owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 16:45:27 -0500 (CDT) From: Karl Dunn X-X-Sender: kldunn@fly.hiwaay.net Reply-To: Karl Dunn To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org cc: Aryeh Friedman Subject: Re: very slight OT: creating a *bootable* MSDOS7 memstick In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.03 (LRH 1266 2009-07-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BYFSD4wCfz3SnB X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=softfail (mx1.freebsd.org: 23.83.212.23 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of kdunn@acm.org) smtp.mailfrom=kdunn@acm.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.10 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[kdunn@acm.org]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[6]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; R_SPF_SOFTFAIL(0.00)[~all]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[acm.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[23.83.212.23:from]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36483, ipnet:23.83.208.0/21, country:CA]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[gmail.com]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[23.83.212.23:from] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 21:45:34 -0000 This is probably not any help. Just my two cents: Google search for phison_flash_id.rar gave me (among a lot of other hits): https://www.usbdev.ru/files/phison/phisonflashid/ Google translated the page much better than I can. The .exe you extracted (or maybe the .exe extracted from some other RAR of the same name) apparently will extract-exe-then-run on most flavors of Windows, probably in a "dos box". You would, evidently, have to run some flavor of Window$ on the hardware in question. Barring that, can you give this list some more detail about the hardware and what you are trying to do? I get only the digest of this list, so if you want to discourse with me specifically, please CC the address below. Karl Dunn kdunn@acm.org > Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 11:12:56 -0400 > From: Aryeh Friedman > To: FreeBSD Mailing List > Subject: very slight OT: creating a *bootable* MSDOS7 memstick > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > I have a *.exe that needs to be run in order to recover the firmware on one > of my SSD's that requires MSDOS7 to run. I do not have a floppy drive and > I do no have any form of anything from Microslut installed or even in the > house. How do I create a bootable memstick that contains this exe? (I am > on FreeBSD 12.1pl8-amd64) > > -- > Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Aug 21 22:04:55 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2852A3CB81D for ; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 22:04:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from mail-io1-xd30.google.com (mail-io1-xd30.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d30]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BYFtY6Zh9z3TLv for ; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 22:04:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by mail-io1-xd30.google.com with SMTP id v6so3189461iow.11 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 15:04:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=q1AxpyT7FaQkQGs7Ca6Oa3dU6MZzl235IkC6Jn3+jp8=; b=NQL+yUJOYam16cNrIS+it3uXW6er4oE5/MDoR7Fu2KTuZBqbARD6KjgCtoxIDdX2cf 7KnVst5sd9F0Y5GrLUfmwayldvbi8Gjki7IJ4LGHfzeRsS5pQw9QxpItIUUG3eDgPsdE Y0kVDMWygKujVF8XWM8nyBJIdhspEKo6onYSbq4JV2aHyBypQHRJA1rkZoDulxzbm0rI mXns/shbOWmhfULR1lMhSeAczuGgoY8Vn6TGug70iYi+QWPZhOPU3JaetU+D0TCp4P18 EFpfdFPYR7vEbUoqvXOlIPfp6b5rPJTsK6b4uQhUvHJCNmLArhFf3oh+X731Z4L0Rfuk 3gUQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=q1AxpyT7FaQkQGs7Ca6Oa3dU6MZzl235IkC6Jn3+jp8=; b=eLWvxTupIxzRL2Uc03To3t7ucrE9rGZ3dfkiQKJrtnRNkDissvlxxzJslMVMDGN84w QB+rVB91FHAEPPShywuOumC9ByFQxpEnSPesqIdufFz8om3Mqs+l1wOhK+RKHxAJklHO sfxbhggEIfFoeFrW92HbhOF+REqYSsREdm2PP0Vp6Z8886wCkqsT8xFlrypFsXGX5+y2 zqA/D0rhvN633ssxL78V6PM7+QRNM3omHboTOFQ91nvN88OWdnf+VA3a8OHYtUBnSTli cpOCqlmquG2QaqNf+YCwWf/FcSCt5Lu0MU9WgsBMdwY5+b25LU7c5akvwyemyHsdw4UY sxug== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530vUZYUt/FeYOU78eNrGfOCQoHkGiZcy4YBKh4stvJG3L83ybku 1XZvKo97hAAFue7E3lffW8AGWKxPSc4LAT7bIiE= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJy8aWHt6XEnOErjBIZr9DNLGTL8Kv7kfmadRkj1nrLleADGdIEoft85kY03QazbhLjEPpXKC50bjR+g3zxERkA= X-Received: by 2002:a6b:900b:: with SMTP id s11mr3821679iod.83.1598047492530; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 15:04:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Aryeh Friedman Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 18:04:40 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: very slight OT: creating a *bootable* MSDOS7 memstick To: Karl Dunn Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BYFtY6Zh9z3TLv X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=NQL+yUJO; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of aryehfriedman@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::d30 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=aryehfriedman@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.00 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::d30:from]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 22:04:55 -0000 On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 5:45 PM Karl Dunn wrote: > This is probably not any help. Just my two cents: > > Google search for phison_flash_id.rar gave me (among a lot of other > hits): > > https://www.usbdev.ru/files/phison/phisonflashid/ > > Google translated the page much better than I can. The .exe you extracted > (or maybe the .exe extracted from some other RAR of the same name) > apparently will extract-exe-then-run on most flavors of Windows, probably > in a "dos box". > There are conflicting reports on other sites and the only thing they all agree on is XP. There are even sites that show a pure command line version and that's what I am attempting to run (different versions for different SSD manufacturers seem to have different interfaces, and I am taking guess that phsion is right manufacturer of mine since it is OEM, also I can't find any definitive answer on if it is or not but the model next higher up in the product line is phsion). So the long and short is it all depends. You are correct when I did run that specific version on a MSDOS6 mem stick I made it said it didn't run in dos mode. > You would, evidently, have to run some flavor of Window$ on the hardware > in question. > See above. > Barring that, can you give this list some more detail about the hardware > and what you are trying to do? > Ryzen 5 2600X MSI Tomahawk MB 1 TB SSD, Inland Pro, (working and is the machine I am replying from right now) 250 GB SSD, Inland Pro (this is the drive I am attempting to unbrick, I don't need any of the data on it I am just attempting to save a trip to the store and the $30 needed to buy a new one, a trip that would take 5 hrs from the moment of getting ready to leave for the store to the moment in sealing the case backup after installing it). The main goal is making a dual boot machine so I can try out a game I was given as a present. The game requires full 3d acceleration and due to a *KNOWN BUG* (it is even mentioned in the source code) vitualbox 5+nvidia+glx do not play well at all when in 3d mode. There is a workaround in vbox 6 but the FreeBSD vbox team is having a very tough time getting vbox 6 to even compile ( https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=234878), I have done what I can and have given feedback on it but once they got it to work on 6.0.X Oracle announced a critical security issue in 6.0.X so they had to move to 6.1.X which seems to among other things not like any version of LLVM (the linux community is having just as many problems according to the virtual box forum at Oracle). No one has gotten anything that even resembles GPU passthrough to work on bhyve, so that leaves dual booting. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Aug 21 22:34:21 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2CFA3CC291 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 22:34:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from holgerdanske.com (holgerdanske.com [IPv6:2001:470:0:19b::b869:801b]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "www.holgerdanske.com", Issuer "www.holgerdanske.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BYGXX6zMGz3VyG for ; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 22:34:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from 99.100.19.101 (99-100-19-101.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net [99.100.19.101]) by holgerdanske.com with ESMTPSA (TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:TLSv1.3:Kx=any:Au=any:Enc=AESGCM(128):Mac=AEAD) (SMTP-AUTH username dpchrist@holgerdanske.com, mechanism PLAIN) for ; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 15:34:13 -0700 Subject: Re: very slight OT: creating a *bootable* MSDOS7 memstick To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <790ca4b0-1367-ed7b-310d-f6976c98899e@holgerdanske.com> From: David Christensen Message-ID: <19c75b4f-3c2d-6ca4-f622-a915eb9dc7ce@holgerdanske.com> Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 15:34:12 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BYGXX6zMGz3VyG X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dpchrist@holgerdanske.com has no SPF policy when checking 2001:470:0:19b::b869:801b) smtp.mailfrom=dpchrist@holgerdanske.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.90 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[holgerdanske.com]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:2001:470::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 22:34:22 -0000 On 2020-08-21 13:13, Aryeh Friedman wrote: > On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 3:43 PM David Christensen > wrote: >> Yes, I am serious. Time equals money. Waste another 5 hours of your >> time if do not believe me. Repeat until you do. >> > > Thank you for pointing out what is wrong with certain parts of the industry > (almost always found in organizations that have more money then common > sense)... throw money at a problem instead of *ACTUALLY* understanding and > fixing it right... news for you not everyone is made out of money... and > even if I was it would take longer than 5 hours to find a suitable machine, > buy it, have it shipped, etc. I believe the actual problem is that the software requires an MS-DOS 7 computer and you do not own one. I believe that buying an MS-DOS 7 computer is how to fix the problem right, where "right" is defined as lowest total cost of ownership (TCO), taking into account the monetary value of time. Windows XP computers are readily available for under US$100 on eBay, Craig's List, recycling companies, etc.. If you have more time than money, look for garage sales and/or ask around for people who have old Windows XP computers they want to get rid of. David From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Aug 21 23:02:38 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 189FB3CC7C7 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 23:02:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tech-lists@zyxst.net) Received: from out2-smtp.messagingengine.com (out2-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.26]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BYH990xP9z3XG5 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 23:02:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tech-lists@zyxst.net) Received: from compute3.internal (compute3.nyi.internal [10.202.2.43]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED0785C00B3 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 19:02:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailfrontend2 ([10.202.2.163]) by compute3.internal (MEProxy); Fri, 21 Aug 2020 19:02:35 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=zyxst.net; h= date:from:to:subject:message-id:mime-version:content-type; s= fm3; bh=a86RYaj8xeAl/JKAwwSG6M1yncWCQq3yg49U9NMajAM=; b=CutrDtaX qbnM190TcoZEkcnyh3tl85XsAkM+fEMvFuLaQ0rNXWlu9MOTDn25oi5AcebVqvVa I1wVUg0yNH6RlsIVCSHuR6EYPNuxFh7tY9F10H7PRcyj+q94HDq+zc4HPNZ8Iq7v 1GKneIMPTB/VuOUSCdB2vXluLKktuSNoeYHfVCJnFSo80Rs60kVUHyRd3ZZM45vC UUqQHwXwNYhbQ3gddGpBpx/IGcrVz8Aj3jCle3TER4oL60tqPKK3wAQKSI6FYc2Q wyXFKc6ZQfhEaUjfktHbvuywSA11Lmhb6BF+CKh+NAKteYGGr8s8BoQOHbzKExJv mdyxXLyZBYn2ug== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-type:date:from:message-id :mime-version:subject:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy:x-me-sender :x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm3; bh=a86RYaj8xeAl/JKAwwSG6M1yncWCQ q3yg49U9NMajAM=; b=jyWpI32O5JgyjtLQoNMN6AowriV0EmPxbHrGYh/wHv1s+ Us0pg9c9i9VXmKTybX38zcG36Xtst98PQXbDcENCTcCIdd5/DPLRBDaHa3/9UEO+ oqcxgx5lcy5BSQgtgzudQnnKHvgy/EhPoo9wTRaFkLCzr7ptNVllw32Jq+B5D2fk YY8e/EtytekARMY0oxXqEQHS18ifEx1M3W/dcp/ShUfauUqcRWYm5nQ4EE+BD35d fDx+Tozrm58DrHsPBWd+9+k0JrOQOUgnkdapUcAkfh15ASVddboVWBWU9aGU4ChG YqKAg/UnIhoBwJRGk0wvMulSqAM3HTZ0xAZvXDXJA== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeduiedruddufedgudduucetufdoteggodetrfdotf fvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuhfgrshhtofgrihhlpdfqfgfvpdfurfetoffkrfgpnffqhgen uceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucenucfjughrpeffhffvuffkgggtugesghdtreertd dtvdenucfhrhhomhepthgvtghhqdhlihhsthhsuceothgvtghhqdhlihhsthhsseiihiig shhtrdhnvghtqeenucggtffrrghtthgvrhhnpeevgffhffdtfeekleelhedtjeelvdfhvd egieejveffgfduvdfhteegjeeujeeuieenucfkphepkedvrdejtddrledurdelleenucev lhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedtnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehtvggthhdqlh hishhtshesiiihgihsthdrnhgvth X-ME-Proxy: Received: from bastion.zyxst.net (bastion.zyxst.net [82.70.91.99]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 578703060067 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 19:02:35 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2020 00:02:06 +0100 From: tech-lists To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: adding disk to zfs mirror after removal of disk Message-ID: <20200821230206.GA56267@bastion.zyxst.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="NzB8fVQJ5HfG6fxh" Content-Disposition: inline X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BYH990xP9z3XG5 X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=zyxst.net header.s=fm3 header.b=CutrDtaX; dkim=pass header.d=messagingengine.com header.s=fm3 header.b=jyWpI32O; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of tech-lists@zyxst.net designates 66.111.4.26 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=tech-lists@zyxst.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.22 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[zyxst.net:s=fm3,messagingengine.com:s=fm3]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[66.111.4.26:from]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:66.111.4.26]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[zyxst.net]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[zyxst.net:+,messagingengine.com:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.52)[-0.523]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:11403, ipnet:66.111.4.0/24, country:US]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[66.111.4.26:from] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 23:02:38 -0000 --NzB8fVQJ5HfG6fxh Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I seem to have broken the zpool on a mirror setup. One of the disks showed errors, so detached it and ran a dd rw over the entire disk to make the hardware remap bad blocks. I then attached it to the pool and it resilvered. Problem is now, the pool doesn't show its pooltype ie mirror-0, there's nothing where mirror-0 was, just the two disks. 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ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 23:18:09 -0000 On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 6:34 PM David Christensen wrote: > On 2020-08-21 13:13, Aryeh Friedman wrote: > > On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 3:43 PM David Christensen < > dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> > > wrote: > > >> Yes, I am serious. Time equals money. Waste another 5 hours of your > >> time if do not believe me. Repeat until you do. > >> > > > > Thank you for pointing out what is wrong with certain parts of the > industry > > (almost always found in organizations that have more money then common > > sense)... throw money at a problem instead of *ACTUALLY* understanding > and > > fixing it right... news for you not everyone is made out of money... and > > even if I was it would take longer than 5 hours to find a suitable > machine, > > buy it, have it shipped, etc. > > I believe the actual problem is that the software requires an MS-DOS 7 > computer and you do not own one. > Buying a new/used computer is simply not worth it; perhaps you missed the fact there is *NO* data I need to recover from the drive. I only want to revive the drive it self in order to save a trip to the store which would itself take 5 hours. (I refuse to buy hardware mail order). If I do end up going to the store I will be buying a drive for around $50 that is twice the capacity of the one I am attempting to unbrick. To repeat: I need a MS-DOS7 machine for likely no more than 10 mins to revive a SSD and that's IT! The only reason I need DOS7 at all is the drive's firmware can only be repaired/upgraded with the above program. Once I do that I don't need MS-DOS7 for anything. Let's add something else is the program does not work on anything newer than XP thus it is unlikely installing something newer (something that can only be done once I repair the drive) on the machine (the one I am currently writing this reply on BTW) will also work (read catch-22, since the goal is to make my current FreeBSD machine dual boot with the repaired drive). > > I believe that buying an MS-DOS 7 computer is how to fix the problem > right, where "right" is defined as lowest total cost of ownership (TCO), > taking into account the monetary value of time. > > > Windows XP computers are readily available for under US$100 on eBay, > Craig's List, recycling companies, etc.. > Spend $100 to fix a $30 drive (sounds really smart to me!) and then never use the thing I spent $100 on ever again!.... And yes I know where to buy a used machine *IF* that was the right answer. > > If you have more time than money, look for garage sales and/or ask > around for people who have old Windows XP computers they want to get rid > of. > I would be spending several hundred in time *AND* money if I took any part of your advice and for what to revive a $30 drive that may or may not be revival.. and you call me insane??!?! -- Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Aug 22 02:07:38 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 678B83CF6CE for ; Sat, 22 Aug 2020 02:07:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from holgerdanske.com (holgerdanske.com [IPv6:2001:470:0:19b::b869:801b]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "www.holgerdanske.com", Issuer "www.holgerdanske.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BYMGd1l7wz3gNs for ; Sat, 22 Aug 2020 02:07:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from 99.100.19.101 (99-100-19-101.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net [99.100.19.101]) by holgerdanske.com with ESMTPSA (TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:TLSv1.3:Kx=any:Au=any:Enc=AESGCM(128):Mac=AEAD) (SMTP-AUTH username dpchrist@holgerdanske.com, mechanism PLAIN) for ; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 19:07:32 -0700 Subject: Re: very slight OT: creating a *bootable* MSDOS7 memstick To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <790ca4b0-1367-ed7b-310d-f6976c98899e@holgerdanske.com> <19c75b4f-3c2d-6ca4-f622-a915eb9dc7ce@holgerdanske.com> From: David Christensen Message-ID: <2bce10a4-d63c-aaf0-8863-06da502c0b7b@holgerdanske.com> Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 19:07:31 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BYMGd1l7wz3gNs X-Spamd-Bar: + Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dpchrist@holgerdanske.com has no SPF policy when checking 2001:470:0:19b::b869:801b) smtp.mailfrom=dpchrist@holgerdanske.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.54 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.64)[0.635]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[holgerdanske.com]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:2001:470::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2020 02:07:38 -0000 On 2020-08-21 16:17, Aryeh Friedman wrote: > Buying a new/used computer is simply not worth it; perhaps you missed the > fact there is *NO* data I need to recover from the drive. I only want to > revive the drive it self in order to save a trip to the store which would > itself take 5 hours. (I refuse to buy hardware mail order). If I do end > up going to the store I will be buying a drive for around $50 that is twice > the capacity of the one I am attempting to unbrick. > > To repeat: I need a MS-DOS7 machine for likely no more than 10 mins to > revive a SSD and that's IT! The only reason I need DOS7 at all is the > drive's firmware can only be repaired/upgraded with the above program. > Once I do that I don't need MS-DOS7 for anything. Let's add something > else is the program does not work on anything newer than XP thus it is > unlikely installing something newer (something that can only be done once I > repair the drive) on the machine (the one I am currently writing this reply > on BTW) will also work (read catch-22, since the goal is to make my current > FreeBSD machine dual boot with the repaired drive). > Spend $100 to fix a $30 drive (sounds really smart to me!) and then never > use the thing I spent $100 on ever again!.... And yes I know where to buy a > used machine *IF* that was the right answer. > I would be spending several hundred in time *AND* money if I took any part > of your advice and for what to revive a $30 drive that may or may not be > revival.. and you call me insane??!?! Your OP and messages up to my first response did not make the above points. Given your signature, I thought the SSD was for business use and you absolutely, positively needed to run the *.exe. So, forget the *.exe, recycle the SSD, and be done with it. If and when you buy another SSD, a challenge will be finding a model whose manufacturer provides diagnostic tools that do not require Windows. (I need to support Intel and Samsung SSD's, and AFAIK all their tools require recent editions of Windows.) If anyone knows of such SSD's, please post links. David From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Aug 22 02:18:42 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 073523CFB74 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 2020 02:18:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from holgerdanske.com (holgerdanske.com [184.105.128.27]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "www.holgerdanske.com", Issuer "www.holgerdanske.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BYMWN4YSDz3xZl for ; Sat, 22 Aug 2020 02:18:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from 99.100.19.101 (99-100-19-101.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net [99.100.19.101]) by holgerdanske.com with ESMTPSA (TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:TLSv1.3:Kx=any:Au=any:Enc=AESGCM(128):Mac=AEAD) (SMTP-AUTH username dpchrist@holgerdanske.com, mechanism PLAIN) for ; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 19:18:35 -0700 Subject: Re: adding disk to zfs mirror after removal of disk To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20200821230206.GA56267@bastion.zyxst.net> From: David Christensen Message-ID: Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 19:18:34 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20200821230206.GA56267@bastion.zyxst.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BYMWN4YSDz3xZl X-Spamd-Bar: + Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dpchrist@holgerdanske.com has no SPF policy when checking 184.105.128.27) smtp.mailfrom=dpchrist@holgerdanske.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.54 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.64)[0.644]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[holgerdanske.com]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:184.104.0.0/15, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2020 02:18:42 -0000 On 2020-08-21 16:02, tech-lists wrote: > Hi, > > I seem to have broken the zpool on a mirror setup. One of the disks showed > errors, so detached it and ran a dd rw over the entire disk to make the > hardware remap bad blocks. I then attached it to the pool and it > resilvered. > Problem is now, the pool doesn't show its pooltype ie mirror-0, there's > nothing where mirror-0 was, just the two disks. > > How to fix? > > thanks, My guess is that you wiped the ZFS metadata that made the disk part of a mirror and added it to the pool as another stripe. It would help if you posted the relevant console session -- prompts, commands issued, output displayed, etc... Please run the following commands and post the console session, substituting $POOLNAME as appropriate: # zpool list $POOLNAME # zpool status $POOLNAME David From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Aug 22 02:30:07 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DD4A3A8880 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 2020 02:30:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from mail-io1-xd35.google.com (mail-io1-xd35.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d35]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BYMmZ4NLfz3ySk for ; Sat, 22 Aug 2020 02:30:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by mail-io1-xd35.google.com with SMTP id s2so3619164ioo.2 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 19:30:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=U61tRVUkHuSmQmFUFtrVHrOJ2t+a9/CIMGT5qsyUTCI=; b=ieZ4sMZlSFSVlEwka6atTZ+LulJMxUf5zpjDv5vXxTrFmu76sgylGynKVCM4GIsAOl nBfmEl2q8ulrrEXlphbQcSlTwwuwPA/PgWIBzDMhyKS1LVrJ7LuQ+4BHxFphpyBpxO8c vMc2615iTWZei2R5DNzpRYPiVax9RkKPWEpYxJBkSgvE75o1cxGmYsQLLm1h/+Hv5JqX fsi72fl8WbUTBvJTjdgYOaPaiaBg2X6tE1CR1JX74SWyHN2R00pN18I/9DTGnWHBUoG5 GmKd/xp38qwAtNFgVv7xAevnXzqNzKZI0mmNhGCytahINq4hc7lQ3A1qiiVYYg9L1Oo8 EK0A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=U61tRVUkHuSmQmFUFtrVHrOJ2t+a9/CIMGT5qsyUTCI=; b=DRKYTlGMd8JMRrJkZLKspirYAqvWIbuPt2Zjj9liPZ8OupcIGQeI18cO6pbTL+yNFA YVR43nrOJMw7ykkws22IYzEhWVW4vGBjjyTpLV5et5k7DuTxXus9mBRgfjhUpLCbzYdJ ht0A5Sv+UwgWycm+HuAoQtmh8lklT6PZWHIsA1YJaXcDBx/KmYTE9GWN88TRaJ9/PGEW 1pIkTUsa6w7sdBfHfq9cO59mSKtleg7PUy42a9md50rU1UPoHGlo0NEbs1Q95Lrztxf3 UetYamLQ1v+rpb5htxcjtHO8QIfFCEDN7iOn6JcNym2RuPIXKdY963cer49YcyHnFfjs q0ng== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531/FxUMdXHvpUgLSxlIPXWS3NV7/L/O17TENMDf0amkx3oFGaYS ihNJox55lzWsQG6GnC+uPW0TIKjrce0N/j1gl2c= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxvNG1Ge4KxuMDHZ0EMps6wLGijeWCPkRiN71YVCzexylahPovOUsxDOAB7tV/BEubT6zMSobw2kD8Gd911Q4c= X-Received: by 2002:a6b:da13:: with SMTP id x19mr4527773iob.174.1598063405340; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 19:30:05 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <790ca4b0-1367-ed7b-310d-f6976c98899e@holgerdanske.com> <19c75b4f-3c2d-6ca4-f622-a915eb9dc7ce@holgerdanske.com> <2bce10a4-d63c-aaf0-8863-06da502c0b7b@holgerdanske.com> In-Reply-To: <2bce10a4-d63c-aaf0-8863-06da502c0b7b@holgerdanske.com> From: Aryeh Friedman Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 22:29:54 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: very slight OT: creating a *bootable* MSDOS7 memstick To: David Christensen Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BYMmZ4NLfz3ySk X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=ieZ4sMZl; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of aryehfriedman@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::d35 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=aryehfriedman@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.42 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::d35:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.42)[-0.418]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2020 02:30:07 -0000 On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 10:07 PM David Christensen < dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> wrote: > On 2020-08-21 16:17, Aryeh Friedman wrote: > > > Buying a new/used computer is simply not worth it; perhaps you missed the > > fact there is *NO* data I need to recover from the drive. I only want to > > revive the drive it self in order to save a trip to the store which would > > itself take 5 hours. (I refuse to buy hardware mail order). If I do end > > up going to the store I will be buying a drive for around $50 that is > twice > > the capacity of the one I am attempting to unbrick. > > > > To repeat: I need a MS-DOS7 machine for likely no more than 10 mins to > > revive a SSD and that's IT! The only reason I need DOS7 at all is the > > drive's firmware can only be repaired/upgraded with the above program. > > Once I do that I don't need MS-DOS7 for anything. Let's add something > > else is the program does not work on anything newer than XP thus it is > > unlikely installing something newer (something that can only be done > once I > > repair the drive) on the machine (the one I am currently writing this > reply > > on BTW) will also work (read catch-22, since the goal is to make my > current > > FreeBSD machine dual boot with the repaired drive). > > > Spend $100 to fix a $30 drive (sounds really smart to me!) and then never > > use the thing I spent $100 on ever again!.... And yes I know where to > buy a > > used machine *IF* that was the right answer. > > > I would be spending several hundred in time *AND* money if I took any > part > > of your advice and for what to revive a $30 drive that may or may not be > > revival.. and you call me insane??!?! > > Your OP and messages up to my first response did not make the above > points. Given your signature, I thought the SSD was for business use > and you absolutely, positively needed to run the *.exe. > Yes and no... since I am a freelancer you never know what you will be called on to do and thus finding some way to do it is a very good learning experience (I can't count the number of times where something I was doing for a personal project became something for a paid project and vice versa)... so it is likely best that I treated as a strong preference > > So, forget the *.exe, recycle the SSD, and be done with it. > > > If and when you buy another SSD, a challenge will be finding a model > whose manufacturer provides diagnostic tools that do not require > Windows. (I need to support Intel and Samsung SSD's, and AFAIK all > their tools require recent editions of Windows.) If anyone knows of > such SSD's, please post links. > > I spent the morning also doing that research and there is no such beast. > > David > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Aug 22 04:31:21 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4DAE3AC403 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 2020 04:31:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from nightmare.dreamchaser.org (ns.dreamchaser.org [66.109.141.57]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "dreamchaser.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BYQSS33Gnz45gh for ; Sat, 22 Aug 2020 04:31:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from breakaway.dreamchaser.org (breakaway [192.168.151.122]) by nightmare.dreamchaser.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 07M4VEcp048302; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 22:31:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) From: Gary Aitken Subject: Re: portsnap belated complaint? To: RW , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd@edvax.de References: <332bdd11-40f3-b5af-7683-aca6494abe6e@dreamchaser.org> <20200821193243.622b63e5@gumby.homeunix.com> Reply-To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org Message-ID: <3bee3767-b098-c278-ca67-581c7c3a87ac@dreamchaser.org> Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 22:29:46 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.11.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20200821193243.622b63e5@gumby.homeunix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.2 (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [192.168.151.101]); Fri, 21 Aug 2020 22:31:14 -0600 (MDT) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BYQSS33Gnz45gh X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@dreamchaser.org designates 66.109.141.57 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@dreamchaser.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.46 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@dreamchaser.org]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx:c]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[dreamchaser.org]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.24)[-0.241]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[googlemail.com,freebsd.org,edvax.de]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:21947, ipnet:66.109.128.0/19, country:US]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2020 04:31:21 -0000 On 8/21/20 12:11 PM, Polytropon wrote: >> ... >> Fetching 4 metadata patches... done. >> Applying metadata patches... done. >> Fetching 0 metadata files... done. >> Fetching 22 patches. >> (22/22) 100.00% done. >> done. >> Applying patches... >> done. >> Fetching 2 new ports or files... done. >> /usr/ports was not created by portsnap. >> You must run 'portsnap extract' before running 'portsnap update'. How can it apply patches if an extract hasn't been done and is needed? Does it knowingly, by default, apply patches to a tree it knows is "bad"? Is that a known/documented behavior people rely on? In this case, bad may simply mean installed at sysinstall time? ... > Everything you see matches the expected behaviour according to > your problem description: > >> I believe the ports tree was generated when the OS was installed, >> [...] >> # portsnap fetch >> [...] >> # portsnap fetch update >> [...] >> /usr/ports was not created by portsnap. > > Whatever you have fetched, it was never extracted; what is still > present in /usr/ports is not "compatible" with portsnap ... I'll assume it's all the result of installing ports with a new sysinstall months ago; I thought I had extracted and updated and used it already. Why doesn't the ports install done at sysinstall time not do the equivalent of a fetch & extract? Would doing so be incompatible with anything else? (I think this is the third time I've gotten caught by this stupid behavior. I guess it's a moot point since portsnap is going away.) On 8/21/20 12:32 PM, RW via freebsd-questions wrote: > On Fri, 21 Aug 2020 11:42:23 -0600 > Gary Aitken wrote: ... >> I believe the ports tree was generated when the OS was installed, but >> not sure. I'm also not sure how /usr/ports was upgraded after the OS >> upgrade. > > It wont be updated by when updating base. Thanks. ... > In general it's not a good idea to mix tools on the same tree or adopt > a tree... Does installing the ports tree when the system is installed and then using portsnap count as mixing tools? If so, it should be noted when the option is presented at install time that if you are planning on updating the ports tree, there's no point in installing it. Will this same behavior exist with the switch to git? 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Sat, 22 Aug 2020 01:05:00 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2020 06:04:31 +0100 From: tech-lists To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: adding disk to zfs mirror after removal of disk Message-ID: <20200822050431.GA17289@bastion.zyxst.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20200821230206.GA56267@bastion.zyxst.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="tKW2IUtsqtDRztdT" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BYRCP1CXnz47CV X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=zyxst.net header.s=fm3 header.b=bCwL7U7w; dkim=pass header.d=messagingengine.com header.s=fm3 header.b=bumjlboH; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of tech-lists@zyxst.net designates 64.147.123.25 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=tech-lists@zyxst.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.44 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[zyxst.net:s=fm3,messagingengine.com:s=fm3]; 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The disk that was removed from the mirror is ada3. The didkid/string is aka ada2. Ideally i'd like its name changed back from that string to ada2 as well. --=20 J. --tKW2IUtsqtDRztdT Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAABCAAdFiEE8n3tWhxW11Ccvv9/s8o7QhFzNAUFAl9Ap2IACgkQs8o7QhFz NAV/1A//RBkmjulnmLxHqRL6lOao7bG4Vwq3vLpQpGOAOGGGJjCwd8CBqdNFOtbD 7R8ziZ2RRkcBPggFYZUxKt26ukraOtrpqlIee30p8xqAZbACzcGI0KrHiu1p/ScH 264RHOMiTJELDZto4SNlRKDJCrqwSD9aKIvd7HnEfHBMrlfWR9RRP6h8TRPO055R XC6IZ7eW+RVBeQdg1R3BRiSvBCEYoERoKwPbUcbe+87LH+FSKsGsEYoR9QnHxDAP RFxymeyb+btBBlB8/ChwmPStMKQ/+4Y0SE+d+AjxN/3DJ2ifXZ0ntOICspsZ890J OXHMG95orosIE2t8u5m1vB3NtceEgxX1fUbK5xlApoZRhydgQ5qYkn+bxetQH8xK Sq9yZk0fIRdUBZEdOuS/HjxeviVemtRLfYWmQBchkoPKRblKxQpnalMgn2Lii1Rx DNUMVpwtplHpY0ki7rAWHJhuKGCc95slYDSH+ONk5fkaXnn7NxT44l4LipNEYUPa ke56kcHk2wywfZnoN745h4RCB5pITx/AeGb3Teqvk/DBqgO1vK4wsSWaWMhNpMwk haIRm1v44H6Uyhc060nY9YSqbWgBM7mvFV+wJBTmmXBQygsatk5blOBEWgIhwkww yc7r8nWbYGmaCjysurSGfhSVwQNC/Op9cfjPdCKetc0A13DQz/I= =Xie6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --tKW2IUtsqtDRztdT-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Aug 22 06:02:18 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B55413AE6A2 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 2020 06:02:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.130]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BYSTP1JbKz4C6n for ; Sat, 22 Aug 2020 06:02:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([178.12.118.210]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue012 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1Mr7iw-1kxDc02hs6-00oHFD; Sat, 22 Aug 2020 08:02:14 +0200 Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2020 08:02:14 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Christoph Kukulies Cc: Ruben via freebsd-questions Subject: Re: I wish I had wish Message-Id: <20200822080214.8a8b3f42.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <2D80B694-4DE8-43D7-9C73-26A135585362@kukulies.org> References: <899F50B9-5152-4EA5-BF4A-A4D5F47931ED@kukulies.org> <20200821185724.9ec46e4a.freebsd@edvax.de> <2D80B694-4DE8-43D7-9C73-26A135585362@kukulies.org> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; 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dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@edvax.de has no SPF policy when checking 212.227.126.130) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@edvax.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.35 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.05)[-0.055]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[178.12.118.210:received]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[212.227.126.130:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[212.227.126.130:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2020 06:02:18 -0000 On Fri, 21 Aug 2020 20:22:51 +0200, Christoph Kukulies wrote: > Thanks. I installed bsvc from github, compiled and installed it. > When I then ran > > bsvc > > I got exec: wish not found > > Now I found that bsvc is part of the ports collection. So I did a > pkg install bsvc which automatically install tcl/tk (8.6 I believe). > > So far so good. wish isn’t there. > > Now when I start bsvc (via ssh -Y myfreebsdbox) I’m getting > > $ bsvc > X Error of failed request: BadName (named color or font does not exist) > Major opcode of failed request: 45 (X_OpenFont) > Serial number of failed request: 42 > Current serial number in output stream: 59 > $ > > > But this message must be caused by my macOS server from which I’m > logged in into myfreebsdbox. Depending on which shell you're using, try command completition: % wish[TAB] It's quite possible that there really is no "wish" command, but a "wish" command. When I try this in my experimental box (not really up to date), I get this: % wish8.6_ So what you can do: Create a symlink to point to the versioned wish binary. On this particular machine, tcl86-8.6.10 and tk86-8.6.10_1 have been installed to use with tkRunIt-0.94.1_2, whose executable scipt starts with this: #!/bin/sh # the next line restarts using /usr/local/bin/wish8.6 \ exec /usr/local/bin/wish8.6 "$0" "$@" #!/usr/local/bin//usr/local/bin/wish8.6 As you can see, the version is explicitely named in the script, and it matches the binary installed by tk (which wish is a part of). -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Aug 22 06:09:58 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F05B3AE6E7 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 2020 06:09:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.131]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BYSfC5yn8z4CRJ for ; Sat, 22 Aug 2020 06:09:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([178.12.118.210]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue011 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MhlbM-1kmo982ZCi-00dq9h; Sat, 22 Aug 2020 08:09:50 +0200 Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2020 08:09:50 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Aryeh Friedman Cc: Karl Dunn , FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: very slight OT: creating a *bootable* MSDOS7 memstick Message-Id: <20200822080950.9fe3cd7d.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:osVcB8arlALuOOYwTg77gjgRSCe84d00Ji+5OZUrSphb8Y3E25I NZZYqZRAtJypcSvYrnbVzwx7zP46616QgVHRL+f6ZvkUEjSKhTSnmqyZ0jSNeHK3LdeZ6u1 afP3Poq5TPUVWVVJGdfb7yQF6//9DGQ3GimxYRLWHZDlVgv64VeU8stxycB9MIhIoSeRivX /clHmCkFaBKP7LBY/hhAA== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:AUIcjTcUGqA=:aGKRXADRRS8zBFw7MG9qMX B+cKixqC8oV+VJK04b5HcoSAec6waIZBpGrF99uNxj2nStXP8N9RPgU49YqdCqvPzwHj1/FLN rH9meT+Ab4QNkxoFe+Cs3F5l6SY/8fkpttJf5V5Uyqden3mEugX1NpMD8PIxFrsCPtTYtyG1O UKeFLbbjmovvnTbp0EiNhoTgzJxuWJKIulW98GzOn0Js2e9UbmRCCkUL6FoGweB1U0yTFohvm RFDH6XEbyYW7+f7vWIQ7cyWMW5KdgM7nt3bnHMzkHwz80mQZ725Di8L2xY04qJfOXmmlcXwln 91s8fzOeWHTqN04V+3/02+AisGTH9vE3vsDgtEkmTp6h+vDpLdYeYi1rzDc/oykQQwbWCv5lS voSgt1YfY6JqgW5RdkwKp5lZsrGIaEj/dWyd2IUeJUnrEQVZ43iOVDh9Rpz9PIWxApFN9rKjx 9fDmAOBCcPMQeaLQQnuqp4Ns6COLIIiWvGjX6iefoHHc6k0dS0KVwjYU91eTW7MLLuadvvYIg 6ibprgkzCKPKQroCAVSaycDf/b8rvAhsiNbcScdDiPFma+wus7g7zE/HIlHEAeS+/MChJVMLg K2cR8vbINzq+U+lgatjkv7ZXNhtORjv5wY2QRGC5iuv/q82NeN5jdYJvSm73tG+O1A7XQKGpR cHCOiAfwmRokyMwd8m7hdDiD75x+gj32AwaF4QH0D9iemCAfvnSUtEu/A8xQ3G/beoTJCUIRs 2hOCnnHO+XYPlV4qHT4K+l2sIelj6VGoNpSGP3dGZnvO1Qbxzf9TgsCDMWv+HgUMsPExS3opx d6aLjUzwUeIG/DHjTWNbByqUlYPL64X6VZnNrxbQASTU87/P8Nrv6SItpmaheU/m2OIdi61 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BYSfC5yn8z4CRJ X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@edvax.de has no SPF policy when checking 212.227.126.131) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@edvax.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.50 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[178.12.118.210:received]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.10)[0.103]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[212.227.126.131:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[212.227.126.131:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2020 06:09:58 -0000 On Fri, 21 Aug 2020 18:04:40 -0400, Aryeh Friedman wrote: > So the long and short is > it all depends. You are correct when I did run that specific version on a > MSDOS6 mem stick I made it said it didn't run in dos mode. The program in question is _not_ a DOS program, instead it is a "Windows Console App", i. e., something that requires a running instance of "Windows" in order to be executed. The easiest solution probably is to try to get a "Windows XP" image to boot from a sufficiently big USB stick, and then run the program from there, instead of wasting a whole PC for this one-time action (searching, ordering, packaging, shipping, unboxing, disposing - lots of time, money, and electronic garbage wasted). -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Aug 22 06:21:06 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2BFB3AEFD7 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 2020 06:21:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kuku@kukulies.org) Received: from mail.kukulies.org (mail.kukulies.org [116.203.115.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BYSv54nFqz4Ccn for ; Sat, 22 Aug 2020 06:21:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kuku@kukulies.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.kukulies.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7199E10276A; Sat, 22 Aug 2020 08:21:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.kukulies.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.kukulies.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PSO2D_yy4ZK8; Sat, 22 Aug 2020 08:21:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from christophs-macbook-pro.fritz.box (p57a1fff5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [87.161.255.245]) by mail.kukulies.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id AD0A8102769; Sat, 22 Aug 2020 08:21:03 +0200 (CEST) From: Christoph Kukulies Message-Id: <1C6742F9-1257-4DEF-BC41-19454C23E5FF@kukulies.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_565DB894-075A-4771-8CC8-C6737B9198CC"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.1\)) Subject: Re: I wish I had wish Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2020 08:21:02 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20200822080214.8a8b3f42.freebsd@edvax.de> Cc: Ruben via freebsd-questions To: Polytropon References: <899F50B9-5152-4EA5-BF4A-A4D5F47931ED@kukulies.org> <20200821185724.9ec46e4a.freebsd@edvax.de> <2D80B694-4DE8-43D7-9C73-26A135585362@kukulies.org> <20200822080214.8a8b3f42.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.1) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BYSv54nFqz4Ccn X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kuku@kukulies.org has no SPF policy when checking 116.203.115.43) smtp.mailfrom=kuku@kukulies.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.68 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FREEFALL_USER(0.00)[kuku]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; SIGNED_SMIME(-2.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ATTACHMENT(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,multipart/alternative,text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[kukulies.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.08)[-0.080]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:+,3:~,4:~]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:116.203.0.0/16, country:DE]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[87.161.255.245:received] X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2020 06:21:06 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_565DB894-075A-4771-8CC8-C6737B9198CC Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Excerpt from pkg info: tcl-wrapper-1.1_3 Shell wrapper for tclsh (Tcl) tcl85-8.5.19_3 Tool Command Language tcl86-8.6.10 Tool Command Language tcl87-8.7.a3_1 Tool Command Language tclX-8.4.1 Extended TCL tk86-8.6.10_1 Graphical toolkit for Tcl > Am 22.08.2020 um 08:02 schrieb Polytropon : >=20 > On Fri, 21 Aug 2020 20:22:51 +0200, Christoph Kukulies wrote: >> Thanks. I installed bsvc from github, compiled and installed it. >> When I then ran >>=20 >> bsvc >>=20 >> I got exec: wish not found >>=20 >> Now I found that bsvc is part of the ports collection. So I did a >> pkg install bsvc which automatically install tcl/tk (8.6 I believe). >>=20 >> So far so good. wish isn=E2=80=99t there. >>=20 >> Now when I start bsvc (via ssh -Y myfreebsdbox) I=E2=80=99m getting >>=20 >> $ bsvc >> X Error of failed request: BadName (named color or font does not = exist) >> Major opcode of failed request: 45 (X_OpenFont) >> Serial number of failed request: 42 >> Current serial number in output stream: 59 >> $=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> But this message must be caused by my macOS server from which I=E2=80=99= m >> logged in into myfreebsdbox. >=20 > Depending on which shell you're using, try command completition: >=20 > % wish[TAB] >=20 $=20 $ which wish $=20 > It's quite possible that there really is no "wish" command, but > a "wish" command. When I try this in my experimental > box (not really up to date), I get this: >=20 > % wish8.6_ >=20 > So what you can do: Create a symlink to point to the versioned > wish binary. On this particular machine, tcl86-8.6.10 and = tk86-8.6.10_1 > have been installed to use with tkRunIt-0.94.1_2, whose executable > scipt starts with this: >=20 >=20 > #!/bin/sh > # the next line restarts using /usr/local/bin/wish8.6 \ > exec /usr/local/bin/wish8.6 "$0" "$@" > #!/usr/local/bin//usr/local/bin/wish8.6 >=20 > As you can see, the version is explicitely named in the script, > and it matches the binary installed by tk (which wish is a > part of). >=20 >=20 Thanks. wish8.6 is indeed there. 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From: Polytropon To: Gary Aitken Cc: RW , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd@edvax.de Subject: Re: portsnap belated complaint? Message-Id: <20200822082215.ed661720.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <1910cebb-026d-ee47-e793-23dc89ed4fe6@dreamchaser.org> References: <332bdd11-40f3-b5af-7683-aca6494abe6e@dreamchaser.org> <20200821193243.622b63e5@gumby.homeunix.com> <1910cebb-026d-ee47-e793-23dc89ed4fe6@dreamchaser.org> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:tG+Nw3WhdTIpIsF3hpknaoDZpimb/mQBEzRK20MP90X0ot1o7/y rVk4nmxwk31PvQSw0Jwgh+ltk2cIkKIHt4bDA+ePPV+lzQGR5e1oN4AAn9dhcyaI7AMuzbT Cme+MVR09cHZGKTrKRuP/sGAHY913lhEzfgUIOr+s46H3nvgx3TFZOxbuF50pgbot8JE1pH Xxd+Qi0rWvNOa0EY+JTrg== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:pMDTEgBOMC8=:+C27OEU08xOpljGtlZHiie as0grzkpqwkyhF7nCUtXnKXJILwyOKA6QelRFvJCZ4xUhO9KZfHosJYoz9i6v455s71Y6h+BM 9Mnbngnkv7qrYLnlg0CKNCkiO9XRapFp1Q7NEQHt7DERRP06n3y4HPrpvZWqxtFSq3GUQnutx IUMAw4kyU3RTrJGaMIS1ZI7T0wTh01Enh9iJsa2td3LEZzo/31wqdOz0UuHsi8KG+XvHVm7M6 co2Iw1Z7eYtKMCNNfLejq3hodx4+zq/LvRTi862SXRXkz+tguyA4NtJRIMt3wC0u1D4ZkJiEP BEXK776AUiVPX7j+W1lwTjMXREX9lpLjB1zDbIXOxNWyJC9aJgOTgLj7PC+fCdnsJ/E3tPPSx R8BOl2ki1zbKCWbc71nwGY67lGsK5MF/QoY8syqxHhO8NZjsbDkmHvi52ogjFkcOhpojd/T9m SnWCdExw9NtBVsjaFpId9ittSsWvsM8hKhtUrKzPXQlh3PGYH+TK9NKkWpzCT4d+QeLQkAEvg d53E3CqltIyTNvIjBSxUdCPs5W7LefVXKUCJjSx/reFcQo83c4PrMB76Ggsar+3KOgcubBnTw jdyejUyRUHqcVtvlyci6HxOtrsJUqitT8CEWhLWpnCxWa3UAwNO/d9da6uqa14Zz26J767WoT sgcyn2r4r2PR7rUtU09ZdyS/SFQ7yCBsCo/JfEOyxa8TM32A84LfuBi3TZ1R3A1lEGAYcH5DA UoO+fv8tSEWchxoY9ggBWIHjgV+mb6+OsBhauFKluDuLEm3sMuNb5kgUEtBwuzMeZRYuFsI/e VMh94YeOMysjmNG8iyYoix+mjvq45IlELI8w4FFpn4/6+Kp33QKM5O6tlPe5VjBBNHzc/Ci X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BYSwf4Vxvz4D0d X-Spamd-Bar: +++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@edvax.de has no SPF policy when checking 212.227.126.187) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@edvax.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [3.38 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.02)[-0.018]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[178.12.118.210:received]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[212.227.126.187:from]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[212.227.126.187:from]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[googlemail.com,freebsd.org,edvax.de]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2020 06:22:27 -0000 On Fri, 21 Aug 2020 22:17:51 -0600, Gary Aitken wrote: > On 8/21/20 12:11 PM, Polytropon wrote: > >> ... > >> Fetching 4 metadata patches... done. > >> Applying metadata patches... done. > >> Fetching 0 metadata files... done. > >> Fetching 22 patches. > >> (22/22) 100.00% done. > >> done. > >> Applying patches... > >> done. > >> Fetching 2 new ports or files... done. > >> /usr/ports was not created by portsnap. > >> You must run 'portsnap extract' before running 'portsnap update'. > > How can it apply patches if an extract hasn't been done and is needed? > Does it knowingly, by default, apply patches to a tree it knows is "bad"? > In this case, bad may simply mean installed at sysinstall time? > Is that a known/documented behavior people rely on? The core "problem" is that portsnap can only operate on trees that originate from a portsnap run. It cannot use ports trees installed from scratch (i. e., from the installation medium), or on such obtained via SVN. As explained in "man 8 portsnap", the operations "fetch", "extract" and "update" require a certain order and have "limited" results: "fetch" only fetches the snapshot, "extract" puts it into place, and "update" alters a ports tree according to a previously "fetch"ed snapshot. The initial observation leads me to believe that the ports tree that has been tried to update was not written by portsnap, which is also suggested by its error message. > > Everything you see matches the expected behaviour according to > > your problem description: > > > >> I believe the ports tree was generated when the OS was installed, > >> [...] > >> # portsnap fetch > >> [...] > >> # portsnap fetch update > >> [...] > >> /usr/ports was not created by portsnap. > > > > Whatever you have fetched, it was never extracted; what is still > > present in /usr/ports is not "compatible" with portsnap > ... > > I'll assume it's all the result of installing ports with a new sysinstall > months ago; I thought I had extracted and updated and used it already. Exactly my impression. A ports tree that comes from bsdinstall is not something that portsnap can operate on. > Why doesn't the ports install done at sysinstall time not do the equivalent > of a fetch & extract? Would doing so be incompatible with anything else? Because at installation time, the ports tree that was current at the point of RELEASE is shipped on the installation medium. This is different from what portsnap expects, that's why the suggestion to _if_ you want to use portsnap, always start with a fresh snapshot, removing any /usr/ports that might already be there ("might", because the ports tree is optional and can be omitted during installation). > (I think this is the third time I've gotten caught by this stupid > behavior. I guess it's a moot point since portsnap is going away.) THe same applies when you use SVN to get "more fine grained" updates - you also need to start with a fresh copy created by SVN. Those methods are not interoperable. :-) > Does installing the ports tree when the system is installed and then > using portsnap count as mixing tools? Yes. The tree installed by bsdinstall is not usable for any further use with portsnap. > If so, it should be noted when the > option is presented at install time that if you are planning on updating the > ports tree, there's no point in installing it. That is absolutely understandable. As I've mentioned, any updating method, be it portsnap or svn, requires that you start with a clean new snapshot or checkout of /usr/ports. Installing the ports tree with bsdinstall only makes sense if you want to keep using _that_ version of the ports tree (i. e., the version of the tree that was current when the FreeBSD version was released). > Will this same behavior exist with the switch to git? I almost would think so. The suggestion will probably be: Remove /usr/ports, and then initialize the ports tree from scratch using git... -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Aug 22 06:31:47 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2FD13AF61B for ; Sat, 22 Aug 2020 06:31:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.131]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BYT7Q6kkNz4DLx for ; Sat, 22 Aug 2020 06:31:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([178.12.118.210]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue011 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1N4Qg2-1kbJkl1m90-011OO2; Sat, 22 Aug 2020 08:31:45 +0200 Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2020 08:31:45 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Christoph Kukulies Cc: Ruben via freebsd-questions Subject: Re: I wish I had wish Message-Id: <20200822083145.20820550.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <1C6742F9-1257-4DEF-BC41-19454C23E5FF@kukulies.org> References: <899F50B9-5152-4EA5-BF4A-A4D5F47931ED@kukulies.org> <20200821185724.9ec46e4a.freebsd@edvax.de> <2D80B694-4DE8-43D7-9C73-26A135585362@kukulies.org> <20200822080214.8a8b3f42.freebsd@edvax.de> <1C6742F9-1257-4DEF-BC41-19454C23E5FF@kukulies.org> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:RHG9HKv0dKxofcJkEMiXrE52iZ+ICz7SgzplkjsmmpyL9GSF0+W PKbQntOVQ44gBwGsWqORFjdKscViO2kjyB9AA9xUjxb2ml/xD2JcZq6K6JmyY0V+CmKxhhb wcsAbbcRQkwYzwuv6aU4p2S/k7RIOz5OfEQJZc+LpZkM5l15QFZVq4yntNgscgNFgN6XXys D6SE4X6VVSfVr1AGVBDqw== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:o1Ml/ugGEQs=:jFuoJXJkB/WUaL0LDn21zp AXzb3ds/HQbtFMOigIUJkCPqbUJ7I+zs2MTwiLaUIPLZrfoWKpKMLpLVICaPUMab7mNAiKnF8 XaCIjJcz7DZBCRwhm52E3ECKpdkeu2CEjVIUmRzqofYvIQMrN0j4/eactyo3UP9LuigBQ2KIO fx7PxTNqsgeuWn9r/37espQJP3yAeFKNwfx2X9uROUSyIbs+Le/ABioHGJlmrP0CQ5/uv8k+Q Jg45Em/vJ9aSxZEwq9N7vqQmuj6h0dNh1SrhXHrYeBVNugkyL2l7mfA6c3F3y12ucc1Oyvfu2 k9eoPIU+kEJ2+8OxYfeYO4bMlH0EnNyqeYDJif9BO18U6W2sm0HDolObvRDvOUV42TzQHVLgi xIYWAcE3FDvhIlCLZHGIICS4aT6p/8YwEcLWjzDwcvbWW4FvO6jecb4RpwxGznTHE76wTRUn8 Bpn6XJIZhU99ZsI9wTbYdLrGe6R3RRQd/DohAJcA5VUCwbuZbxfwS+FMANUzsxUXWvCEE8kkh cf1xRgRkeggTrExrtlI15uV3TuCxjx2dNxiIwTVwczW8ixJ8Rk/J987bfkU2sT/oeBOjdbVCs mYQi+ouqt+PisHt2Gusen6J3s1BHUF32/fzogN7uzYqOcO7KFDbbQkcS6z43YfbvxVF9cGLmF 3ya00/frwHvsKUjP7yunL6CLpxvXy52OlHsveNq+YhymCdj2PS8JoPI1+rhWbNhO2Vuq0iNOI /ckVwFBvg547a16hUUB+lmgt+HVDnrof1dnVJQZaTTNZYQUS2mNnOwis0/yYxk8iPWqVR6sXK 1QQRy49G/XdddmHK9Jc5z9FkpAp0gWDMaruErKtCMvQJbotW4KJQf629difn5yiJ/lLkMMQ X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BYT7Q6kkNz4DLx X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@edvax.de has no SPF policy when checking 212.227.126.131) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@edvax.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.37 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.03)[-0.031]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[178.12.118.210:received]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[212.227.126.131:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[212.227.126.131:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2020 06:31:47 -0000 On Sat, 22 Aug 2020 08:21:02 +0200, Christoph Kukulies wrote: > > Excerpt from pkg info: > > > tcl-wrapper-1.1_3 Shell wrapper for tclsh (Tcl) > tcl85-8.5.19_3 Tool Command Language > tcl86-8.6.10 Tool Command Language > tcl87-8.7.a3_1 Tool Command Language > tclX-8.4.1 Extended TCL > > tk86-8.6.10_1 Graphical toolkit for Tcl That looks correct. $ pkg list tk86-8.6.10_1 | grep "wish" /usr/local/bin/wish8.6 /usr/local/man/man1/wish.tk86.1.gz Interestingly, it's not "man wish", it's "man wish.tk86". But when you read "SCRIPT FILES", you'll see that it refers to /usr/local/bin/wish, which the package does not install as such... :-) > > Am 22.08.2020 um 08:02 schrieb Polytropon : > > > > On Fri, 21 Aug 2020 20:22:51 +0200, Christoph Kukulies wrote: > >> Thanks. I installed bsvc from github, compiled and installed it. > >> When I then ran > >> > >> bsvc > >> > >> I got exec: wish not found > >> > >> Now I found that bsvc is part of the ports collection. So I did a > >> pkg install bsvc which automatically install tcl/tk (8.6 I believe). > >> > >> So far so good. wish isn’t there. > >> > >> Now when I start bsvc (via ssh -Y myfreebsdbox) I’m getting > >> > >> $ bsvc > >> X Error of failed request: BadName (named color or font does not exist) > >> Major opcode of failed request: 45 (X_OpenFont) > >> Serial number of failed request: 42 > >> Current serial number in output stream: 59 > >> $ > >> > >> > >> But this message must be caused by my macOS server from which I’m > >> logged in into myfreebsdbox. > > > > Depending on which shell you're using, try command completition: > > > > % wish[TAB] > > > > $ > $ which wish > $ Same here: $ which wish $ _ Nothin there. $ wish $ wish8.6_ The shell completed the command. $ which wish8.6 /usr/local/bin/wish8.6 $ _ The actual binary is versioned. > Thanks. wish8.6 is indeed there. > I could create a link to wish. I find it strange that such a symlink isn't there from the start, but it's probably _not_ there so you can use different versions of wish (here: different versions of Tk installed), or you're forced (by design) to specify the wish version your program needs in the #! line. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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I have installed Mailman3.x in a python virtual environment and I have adopted a script from Linux to control it. I am able to use the script to manually start|stop the application. However, it does not work when I reboot the system. Hoping someone can help me tinker with it so that it works with system reboots. Below is the content of the script currently. #!/usr/local/bin/bash ### BEGIN INIT INFO # Provides: GNU Mailman # Required-Start: $local_fs $network # Required-Stop: $local_fs $network # Default-Start: 2 3 4 5 # Default-Stop: 0 1 6 # Short-Description: Mailman Service # Description: service control for Mailman ### END INIT INFO PATH=/opt/mailman/mm/bin:/opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/bin:/sbin: DESC="GNU Mailman service" DAEMON=/opt/mailman/mm/bin/mailman NAME=mailman3 USER=mailman3 # Needed by click export LANG=en_US.UTF-8 # Exit if the package is not installed [ -x "$DAEMON" ] || exit 0 # Load the VERBOSE setting and other rcS variables #. /lib/init/vars.sh # Define LSB log_* functions. # Depend on lsb-base (>= 3.2-14) to ensure that this file is present # and status_of_proc is working. #. /lib/lsb/init-functions case "$1" in start) [ "$VERBOSE" != no ] && echo "Starting $DESC" "$NAME" # use --force to remove a stale lock. /usr/local/bin/sudo -u $USER $DAEMON start --force ;; stop) [ "$VERBOSE" != no ] && echo "Stopping $DESC" "$NAME" /usr/local/bin/sudo -u $USER $DAEMON stop ;; status) /usr/local/bin/sudo -u $USER $DAEMON status ;; reopen) /usr/local/bin/sudo -u $USER $DAEMON reopen ;; restart) log_daemon_msg "Restarting $DESC" "$NAME" /usr/local/bin/sudo -u $USER $DAEMON restart ;; *) echo "Usage: $SCRIPTNAME {start|stop|status|reopen|restart}" >&2 exit 3 ;; esac Thank you. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", grep ^[^#] :-) From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Aug 22 07:28:29 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB1683B0748 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 2020 07:28:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kuku@kukulies.org) Received: from mail.kukulies.org (mail.kukulies.org [116.203.115.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BYVNs0xMLz4GZL for ; Sat, 22 Aug 2020 07:28:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kuku@kukulies.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.kukulies.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E2EB10276A for ; Sat, 22 Aug 2020 09:28:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.kukulies.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.kukulies.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NXYWr-GvmAVN for ; Sat, 22 Aug 2020 09:28:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.178.21] (p57a1fff5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [87.161.255.245]) by mail.kukulies.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id ECE91102769 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 2020 09:28:27 +0200 (CEST) From: Christoph Kukulies Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_296676BD-A38D-4E42-B722-7604370AB413"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.1\)) Subject: /bin/sh is what? Can I set tab autocompletion for that sh? 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Can I set tab autocompletion for that sh? 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The regular sh shell (which is the Almquist shell) does not have that feature. As it is primarily intended for scripting, and used interactively only in emergency cases (and even there often only to start csh or bash), command completition has probably never been considered for implementation. If you want this feature, just use csh, bash, zsh, ksh, fish, depending on your individual shell preference. See "man 1 sh" and "man 5 editrc" for details. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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Without having had a closer look, I can immediately see that it is missing the header typical for all rc.d/ scripts, and it declares requiring bash, while I don't see anything bash-specific, so sh should be sufficient. For the general structure, you could examine scripts in /etc/rc.d/ (system scripts) and /usr/local/etc/rc.d/ (3rd party scripts). The REQUIRE: comment should probably contain "DAEMON" and "netif". Everything else looks quite "Linux-like" and does not really compare to the FreeBSD equivalents of rc.d/ style scripts, which first source /etc/rc.subr, sets a few variables, and then declares functions. You can adapt most of the content of the Linux-like version to conform to those requirements. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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Starting and Stopping Services (rc Scripts) https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/porters-handbook/rc-scripts.html But as you already have a script that works, it would probably be easier to just create an "interface" to that script. There is a section in the article "Practical rc.d scripting in BSD" which might be helpful (and the article itself is worth reading): https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/rc-scripting/index.html Especially this section: 7. Connecting a script to the rc.d framework https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/rc-scripting/rcng-hookup.html I'm quite sure this is the easiest way to integrate the existing and working script with the requirements of rc.d. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::32c:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.06)[-0.059]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[questions]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2020 09:58:26 -0000 On Sat, 22 Aug 2020 at 11:31, Polytropon wrote: > Allow me an addition: > > You can find information about how to convert or construct > a rc.d script in The Porter's Handbook: > > 6.26. Starting and Stopping Services (rc Scripts) > > > https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/porters-handbook/rc-scripts.html > > But as you already have a script that works, it would > probably be easier to just create an "interface" to that > script. There is a section in the article "Practical rc.d > scripting in BSD" which might be helpful (and the article > itself is worth reading): > > > https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/rc-scripting/index.html > > Especially this section: > > 7. Connecting a script to the rc.d framework > > > https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/rc-scripting/rcng-hookup.html > > I'm quite sure this is the easiest way to integrate the existing and > working script with the requirements of rc.d. > Thank you. 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Am I > missing something, or are users supposed to install unverified > images? Checksums without a signature are not an assurance > against tampering. > > I didn't find what I was looking for in the handbook or with > Google, and I thought I'd ask here instead of bugging the > security mailing list. Hey, the web announcement has a URL to its signed counterpart: https://www.freebsd.org/releases/12.1R/announce.html https://www.freebsd.org/releases/12.1R/announce.asc Since the announcement has all the checksums, you'd have to verify the announcement's signature, then the file's checksum against it. The Handbook has more info about the project's PGP keys: https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/pgpkeys.html Cheers, -- Evilham From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Aug 22 11:06:08 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE2133B6752 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 2020 11:06:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from holgerdanske.com (holgerdanske.com [184.105.128.27]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "www.holgerdanske.com", Issuer "www.holgerdanske.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BYbD00DFfz4TYq for ; Sat, 22 Aug 2020 11:06:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from 99.100.19.101 (99-100-19-101.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net [99.100.19.101]) by holgerdanske.com with ESMTPSA (TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:TLSv1.3:Kx=any:Au=any:Enc=AESGCM(128):Mac=AEAD) (SMTP-AUTH username dpchrist@holgerdanske.com, mechanism PLAIN) for ; Sat, 22 Aug 2020 04:06:04 -0700 Subject: Re: adding disk to zfs mirror after removal of disk To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20200821230206.GA56267@bastion.zyxst.net> <20200822050431.GA17289@bastion.zyxst.net> From: David Christensen Message-ID: <9274f688-2897-8d0b-d799-100316684b06@holgerdanske.com> Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2020 04:06:03 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20200822050431.GA17289@bastion.zyxst.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BYbD00DFfz4TYq X-Spamd-Bar: + Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dpchrist@holgerdanske.com has no SPF policy when checking 184.105.128.27) smtp.mailfrom=dpchrist@holgerdanske.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.35 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.45)[0.445]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[holgerdanske.com]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:184.104.0.0/15, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2020 11:06:08 -0000 On 2020-08-21 16:02, tech-lists wrote: > I seem to have broken the zpool on a mirror setup. One of the disks showed > errors, so detached it and ran a dd rw over the entire disk to make the > hardware remap bad blocks. I then attached it to the pool and it > resilvered. > Problem is now, the pool doesn't show its pooltype ie mirror-0, there's > nothing where mirror-0 was, just the two disks. > > How to fix? On 2020-08-21 22:04, tech-lists wrote: > Hi, thanks for looking at this YW. :-) > # zpool list wd > NAME   SIZE  ALLOC   FREE  CKPOINT  EXPANDSZ   FRAG    CAP  DEDUP  HEALTH > ALTROOT > wd    7.25T   490G  6.77T        -         -     0%     6%  1.00x > ONLINE  - > > # zpool status wd >   pool: wd >  state: ONLINE >   scan: scrub repaired 0 in 0 days 01:00:27 with 0 errors on Fri Aug 21 > 11:38:48 2020 > config: > >         NAME                           STATE     READ WRITE CKSUM >         wd                             ONLINE       0     0     0 >           diskid/DISK-WD-WCC131097443  ONLINE       0     0     0 >           ada3                         ONLINE       0     0     0 > > errors: No known data errors > > The disks are 2 x western digital black 4TB. The disk that was removed from > the mirror is ada3. The didkid/string is aka ada2. Ideally i'd like its > name > changed back from that string to ada2 as well. Thanks for the information. Trouble-shooting based upon facts greatly improves the chances of success. :-) I should have said this before -- first, back up all of your data. You do not have the console sessions from when you created the pool and from when you made changes to the pool and/or drive (?). Thankfully, I think we can fix your pool without it. I use a version control system (CVS) and create a project for every computer. Inside each project, I maintain a plain text "administrative log file" where I write notes to myself of what I'm doing, where, when, and why. I copy and paste important console sessions into the log files. I also check-in any system configuration files I create or modify. All of this effort provides invaluable information for historical research and future use. If you're not comfortable with a version control system, putting stuff on a USB drive (and backing it up frequently) is better than nothing. Please run this command (and post the console session): # freebsd-version ; uname -a As for fixing your pool, research all of the following commands and make sure you understand everything before you start. Save (and post) your console sessions. You do have backups, right? The first step is to remove the top-level virtual data device ada3 (see [1]): # zpool remove wd ada3 Watch the pool status for removal progress: # zpool status wd Once ada3 has been removed from the pool, I would check it thoroughly with WD Data Lifeguard Diagnostics (see [2]). Unfortunately, the current version only runs on Windows. Run all available tests. Then zero the entire drive. Then run all the tests again. If everything passes, you're good. If anything fails, look for a "fix" option, run that, and do the tests, zero, and tests again. Only proceed with this drive if and when all of the tests, zero, tests run without error. If not, get a new drive. If you do not have a Windows computer, you need one. There is an older bootable DOS version of WD DLD that may or may not work for you (see [3]). If you can't do WD DLD, fake it with dd(1) and smartctl(8). The final step is to attach the wiped drive as a new device to the existing device inside the mirror (see [4]). I don't know how you obtained the "diskid/..." name, but do the same on the wiped drive. Substitute this new name for $WIPED_DRIVE in the following command: # zpool attach wd diskid/DISK-WD-WCC131097443 $WIPED_DRIVE Watch the pool status for re-silvering progress: # zpool status wd David References: [1] https://docs.oracle.com/cd/E37838_01/html/E61017/remove-devices.html [2] https://support.wdc.com/downloads.aspx?DL [3] https://support.wdc.com/downloads.aspx?p=2 [4] https://docs.oracle.com/cd/E19253-01/819-5461/gcfhe/index.html p.s. -- Take a look at this guide for ideas on ZFS naming. The concepts of unique pool names, unique top-level dataset names, and datasets named per backup policies are very useful. I have implemented the first, but have conflated the latter two (I am undecided if this was a good idea). 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I have heard from several users who have used it in the past, mostly with games, and it worked fine. -- Jerry From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Aug 22 12:16:54 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5A943B91D4 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 2020 12:16:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek@cedro.info) Received: from mail-wm1-x334.google.com (mail-wm1-x334.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::334]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BYcnd0dsVz4Y9G for ; Sat, 22 Aug 2020 12:16:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek@cedro.info) Received: by mail-wm1-x334.google.com with SMTP id u18so4177500wmc.3 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 2020 05:16:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cedro.info; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=VaYegnnQ2z/tJsWpdeRxsDZkCiqO5j1Nd7kN0DyVPk8=; b=KrJDflU2L622NTJVZHxX5wEKHuTJIoFCb1991g8ADMP24zLmVrk8l7mWcRZGHIqu4L pywmsGiUw76AnQy00yR2DcsWdLT03rhDYTyb2/tUIWsRtBjqPDI2wKu2sihilHWua7Hq Ev/32Dm3LvZBBWGrpNQ3INz9gJA6IzmDWSGLuQYmE3DC5MVO2q+hkMX++R0TQCu56ofp 38j6Bg9mY8UCvaTqcjpfLQtwW/iyyxltkGifYsgCmz7qzLs+vN5SEWBONejLrzNTGbX1 c7BqYq2nspJes5D5NmEtSBSxOGTw/koAL66zgaThksZgXFaG1SpGdL1V1vnXpkn2Zenk UXPg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=VaYegnnQ2z/tJsWpdeRxsDZkCiqO5j1Nd7kN0DyVPk8=; b=lYGblXV/cStPXgnKC1dtLnkRb2l1Y/VuLP4EImJ8K1t2/byPuVCQQhZTlB//i5lYUR wClMYKMDafnZUI+DGsIXKKfm+h/qQHcHOqjJ8kB5Yq0KxZqJbeWpd9hThX+7/mtscAeg nIgkeqVTy5GYXaSVw5WnRjqNdvg1JkRU54AU1oEXG+w3tyoBevB4SSCSkftkdabVRair lmwVrmL8kFWh/GWbLJ76yJf0lMBHwBsYf4QC3cXhW56fgaVFjhCQXEp9A2PRUXk/PKme 9WY9s/Qd+WUiZZAHAd4JA0rLcTn806GBQWfookF7TZyDxQ3hOKuwU2iE42SLNZDJFmUN xoEg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532CZEBEZxySAcpNo0p7aBJh4Dl/ersSN2Kd9tTUapnQhS4Yn84X Vvl3qA3b+G6HMrVDFJEiiFGmM61TKK6JDpDSnixdZw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwB8p+3G7+57mGO1eCZpNGAgoUy49Kj3FLxLrdBrsyN0Ppr5VFSbW/fl6bAYG1Ej1Y/N/tuIHEgj4tFvSafTDA= X-Received: by 2002:a7b:c4c4:: with SMTP id g4mr7425112wmk.110.1598098609937; Sat, 22 Aug 2020 05:16:49 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20200822080950.9fe3cd7d.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20200822080950.9fe3cd7d.freebsd@edvax.de> From: Tomasz CEDRO Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2020 14:16:28 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: very slight OT: creating a *bootable* MSDOS7 memstick To: Polytropon Cc: Aryeh Friedman , Karl Dunn , FreeBSD Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BYcnd0dsVz4Y9G X-Spamd-Bar: + Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=cedro.info header.s=google header.b=KrJDflU2; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of tomek@cedro.info has no SPF policy when checking 2a00:1450:4864:20::334) smtp.mailfrom=tomek@cedro.info X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.31 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[cedro.info:s=google]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.11)[0.111]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[cedro.info]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[cedro.info:+]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::334:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[gmail.com,acm.org,freebsd.org]; SUSPICIOUS_RECIPS(1.50)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2020 12:16:54 -0000 On Sat, Aug 22, 2020 at 8:10 AM Polytropon wrote: > On Fri, 21 Aug 2020 18:04:40 -0400, Aryeh Friedman wrote: > > So the long and short is > > it all depends. You are correct when I did run that specific version on a > > MSDOS6 mem stick I made it said it didn't run in dos mode. > > The program in question is _not_ a DOS program, instead it > is a "Windows Console App", i. e., something that requires a > running instance of "Windows" in order to be executed. The > easiest solution probably is to try to get a "Windows XP" > image to boot from a sufficiently big USB stick, and then > run the program from there, instead of wasting a whole PC > for this one-time action (searching, ordering, packaging, > shipping, unboxing, disposing - lots of time, money, and > electronic garbage wasted). I used to work with HIREN'S BOOT CD - it boots off the CD-ROM giving you all sorts of DOS and Windows utilities.. later releases even had live Linux.. very handy set of tools.. older releases (around 9) even had live Windows that seems something you need :-) https://www.hirensbootcd.org/hbcd-v99/ -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Aug 22 12:21:23 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0A433B8FB5 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 2020 12:21:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from mail-io1-xd35.google.com (mail-io1-xd35.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d35]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BYctp3hYJz4YGl for ; Sat, 22 Aug 2020 12:21:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by mail-io1-xd35.google.com with SMTP id 4so4256939ion.13 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 2020 05:21:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=J4yCZI5GtgPL3PS+aQp5TWpME0IjYiGk2gItK0wDNBk=; b=hZN/K92/OTfZufsbuYjY1WsijnPWhvLkndL2xu/2PHsK2v3S6qlKQzS8lCds1agp5W O6BGQiEiinemI9g6rI88cw9zkpTOhLxapLoJmjvTwByIY69ZJxs6tIqQhdkwOMc8QBD5 XhDzckBJm5hOG5U2BitsMaUjXoG7Y/s7EGG/GkYxew3pQcM1tpQzaST87tnD6jr8GZHv i2FCkk8rI/OnZz+foI9CHaRj2T5EqLi7L4PeYIbSHTuBEzYpzA/dwH0NSLFxT7CoK42M FsseIoL9sFo3yE2qZfffu5NL9dq0PGjOYH6GFLM0jApvQdPY5ndvKYegAZfMe5RcATe/ 0NXg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=J4yCZI5GtgPL3PS+aQp5TWpME0IjYiGk2gItK0wDNBk=; b=IHEFB5mWJZgAU/D/C79iE66V95AZOaLgi05v4BD3I5dmftRV27mTZoXOz6TSscIGaG S4lh6jp0UN4FZXiXJTXS/iuGDJtlSNcv9n7uoBtB3/gLdHxYANtlC3lh8dZwhwL7CCKH fAuQcwOpax6jdbvJ0xPjhLmYltdTYIaTB2+A39e8ZfiXWnMnxdRc6MUVuOa69kghnCAz /h2nOkD6G/ie+GFaWUgM4xkktfSHeT0xxw98HcBR6/mYxxJPfhVYAVYoB01WRYFHx/wd gPJX6UVQL4k3QUphlpU1/AXMFQLegwkIhxTklW0YaitWpiNEFkZ3ctG494OMqR4b6XVc t0HQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531j1aL14S/D53zq5HS/1sB+moKcTRDReNyfjhm/mHW9WA/g2A+o Hh74udUyd57vQ1cIJDJYenA3OVU6FBk2M1ddeMMq/13Q/rU= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJw0l7zBE3mxDrRaRmTmASuRHRFRjSJRsT54OncEscaoKY7R5u9Ovt3CEF/ss7y+aBY52WaJRIdbW/3UxDnlld4= X-Received: by 2002:a6b:da13:: with SMTP id x19mr5804475iob.174.1598098881371; Sat, 22 Aug 2020 05:21:21 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <790ca4b0-1367-ed7b-310d-f6976c98899e@holgerdanske.com> <19c75b4f-3c2d-6ca4-f622-a915eb9dc7ce@holgerdanske.com> <20200822072946.0000472f@seibercom.net> In-Reply-To: <20200822072946.0000472f@seibercom.net> From: Aryeh Friedman Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2020 08:21:09 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: very slight OT: creating a *bootable* MSDOS7 memstick To: FreeBSD Mailing List X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BYctp3hYJz4YGl X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=hZN/K92/; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of aryehfriedman@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::d35 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=aryehfriedman@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.32 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::d35:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.32)[-0.316]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2020 12:21:23 -0000 On Sat, Aug 22, 2020 at 7:30 AM Jerry wrote: > I have you actually tried running the application under a Win 10 or > similar machine in "compatibility" mode? I have heard from several users > who have used it in the past, mostly with games, and it worked fine. > Read the rest of the thread to know what that is a pointless exercise (If I was able to install windows 10 on the machine in a way that didn't destroy the existing OS on it then I wouldn't need the program at all). -- Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Aug 22 12:36:22 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2E913B992A for ; Sat, 22 Aug 2020 12:36:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [217.72.192.74]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BYdD559zFz4Z8H for ; Sat, 22 Aug 2020 12:36:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([178.12.118.210]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue109 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MHX3X-1kMP4725LN-00DbkE; Sat, 22 Aug 2020 14:36:18 +0200 Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2020 14:36:18 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Tomasz CEDRO Cc: Aryeh Friedman , FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: very slight OT: creating a *bootable* MSDOS7 memstick Message-Id: <20200822143618.51b210c2.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20200822080950.9fe3cd7d.freebsd@edvax.de> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:/PHi9zQHvlxGz1WLaP3TAGzX7OxmkmWikBIHRCwfvuOdDfXGUbK mNsfOP4rWYxdN8IAk8J263e7s+gZxdxOJj3e8dtBDpOk0D9z00Dqw7r2IhIyYeqKILjCl/7 1zuhnYvIqs9mHWU9WrlIurb7E238iUMcWpEkFyg70U2endNkn7rg/cp6HBOhdJ0dDi6kDo+ EYe/P6SlB2gdG/hP7PyHg== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:rl5eeIb7CNc=:a/wDBFQouDi+LD7B+ofAr3 PkDappPzZY12WSHxdV9roAiGnAVwZwnP6Lo6Oe2uNCLjwFn+tepXizkp07UB/5OLAQOzY+Alc vDMME3X6kACf09mMFwMVKzY7242qrwwWGTx7ehfgmluYxPbp72seYASAEFGHCkIoS/oZTSN4b 8x1K8vB9D2ai2zkvA/mtD1fMi8wIC054fTZ8Q8Z9wbtTYGAZ3BAamoiaXQAifMPy/QSm1OQgX fxt4lmcEpZYAv3tEhg/afps86EljR/PCoNUmUt+Apa6nofjyjR/D2lLMBwDuniT6dtjVg62Wx EBbsdTweBeHLptKCfPASej8jRf0hgavkEjwDIgIhRQo2jJ/avrea2ZTaTtyZJoViYNlOogEjH eX+xlt0OuNYHK4S77VAWICsUWVbxi6HDgcYi8jFsREMGCo9MQeuZ2s2BYXQ163Nz+qCWAVD8q L4b36XopxsqisPUcVEnvbm85QPejUeoaJKS8+ESxsTb1HXIYysw84NmUC0bWKrGmi7ceGT0xW TbdwsC7gzCNMwe+tMdEKiZCptYsjkEkLnxbxf31ykorTzfoVoyoYgGefZB7b8aG4G83QkCcGn cobApeLydgDsZZPM7t1CLGER9skn1CQQVRItU5T1iHWiANNvPoInoP85gN6Fe+0KAIunqyG69 N3kc9goXlNh5aHH3aw4X2vlqLQXJbJ5hCmJLEZX3yUxuF/coksV0Xy4W7Gv1HVBVcu/WaFmkb Qs0BdG4QKC7pNdHRKzXf6r9lZNaijBBdyVnsbrPuviYxL8G4oKZvwVgBuIPiOUiiBUvbwF+rY bSacxd2V3sp01s/7Y3NW1cY9vXqfUoSLOMHac2GgCk38SRApP1gC7hvtC5t+3x1akKUYr5Ju2 sR0jpaPwFBYGpGJqSLkeapfJrfDJMiErdTY9eeAPz5O0XWqJJWGHOAwKLTbZvajuDUy5+Njzx 91w/parLjX0xk+65PmVe+QG9SEQbMrn5YnDvfjWo5i1bYkn9K7cyiD/xykXIOUxZRh2FLPdfo PNjzbnoPbAi/r2OBplO1Fdo1H4//+tjJQ+7XRSTgYK0hANXPEXzqmi4vZmO0Gh3X+Sq8/ZhAT 5jRD323HKPMlSG7jQ7JEZldCS70VL2neNImCjT0vuXd58wFG1krxmtifzRGAu3vQO7Epwjqiu Pl6haDIjTz9ajmHfSw8OXOb046wO+n7SX5WXqFgTmYLyAz0QuNlL/yJfjCfwvXHdag3vKMPKk 8LROsGuQfx6vFdO3v X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BYdD559zFz4Z8H X-Spamd-Bar: + Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@edvax.de has no SPF policy when checking 217.72.192.74) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@edvax.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.92 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.48)[-0.477]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:217.72.192.0/20, country:DE]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[178.12.118.210:received]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[217.72.192.74:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[217.72.192.74:from]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[gmail.com,freebsd.org]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2020 12:36:23 -0000 On Sat, 22 Aug 2020 14:16:28 +0200, Tomasz CEDRO wrote: > On Sat, Aug 22, 2020 at 8:10 AM Polytropon wrote: > > On Fri, 21 Aug 2020 18:04:40 -0400, Aryeh Friedman wrote: > > > So the long and short is > > > it all depends. You are correct when I did run that specific version on a > > > MSDOS6 mem stick I made it said it didn't run in dos mode. > > > > The program in question is _not_ a DOS program, instead it > > is a "Windows Console App", i. e., something that requires a > > running instance of "Windows" in order to be executed. The > > easiest solution probably is to try to get a "Windows XP" > > image to boot from a sufficiently big USB stick, and then > > run the program from there, instead of wasting a whole PC > > for this one-time action (searching, ordering, packaging, > > shipping, unboxing, disposing - lots of time, money, and > > electronic garbage wasted). > > I used to work with HIREN'S BOOT CD - it boots off the CD-ROM giving > you all sorts of DOS and Windows utilities.. later releases even had > live Linux.. very handy set of tools.. older releases (around 9) even > had live Windows that seems something you need :-) > > https://www.hirensbootcd.org/hbcd-v99/ Yes, very good suggestion! That at least looks like it could work. >From the description the entry Mini Windows Xp: Portable Windows Xp that runs from CD/USB/Ram Drive, with Network and SATA support. looks very promising. Judging from the rest of the tools, it seems to be comparable to UBCD which often is the preferred way to go if you need manufacturer-specific low-level programs to deal with hard disks (diagnostics, resets, and repair) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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Sat, 22 Aug 2020 06:29:32 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20200822080950.9fe3cd7d.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: From: Aryeh Friedman Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2020 09:29:22 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: very slight OT: creating a *bootable* MSDOS7 memstick To: Tomasz CEDRO Cc: Polytropon , Karl Dunn , FreeBSD Mailing List X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BYfPV4QgLz4c38 X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=Xw1amOxc; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of aryehfriedman@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::12d as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=aryehfriedman@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.43 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::12d:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.43)[-0.429]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2020 13:29:35 -0000 On Sat, Aug 22, 2020 at 8:16 AM Tomasz CEDRO wrote: > On Sat, Aug 22, 2020 at 8:10 AM Polytropon wrote: > > On Fri, 21 Aug 2020 18:04:40 -0400, Aryeh Friedman wrote: > > > So the long and short is > > > it all depends. You are correct when I did run that specific version > on a > > > MSDOS6 mem stick I made it said it didn't run in dos mode. > > > > The program in question is _not_ a DOS program, instead it > > is a "Windows Console App", i. e., something that requires a > > running instance of "Windows" in order to be executed. The > > easiest solution probably is to try to get a "Windows XP" > > image to boot from a sufficiently big USB stick, and then > > run the program from there, instead of wasting a whole PC > > for this one-time action (searching, ordering, packaging, > > shipping, unboxing, disposing - lots of time, money, and > > electronic garbage wasted). > > I used to work with HIREN'S BOOT CD - it boots off the CD-ROM giving > you all sorts of DOS and Windows utilities.. later releases even had > live Linux.. very handy set of tools.. older releases (around 9) even > had live Windows that seems something you need :-) > > https://www.hirensbootcd.org/hbcd-v99/ > Nice idea and I just tried it only one problem: When I tried to start "mini-windows XP" the screen flashed once and returned to the boot menu and I see no way to break out the boot menu (the command line stuff are also menu driven and ignore ctrl-c). None of the menu options were usable in my case for the task I am attempting. -- Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Aug 22 13:35:38 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A221A3BB0FC for ; Sat, 22 Aug 2020 13:35:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek@cedro.info) Received: from mail-wr1-x434.google.com (mail-wr1-x434.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::434]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BYfXT6wMJz4d8g for ; Sat, 22 Aug 2020 13:35:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek@cedro.info) Received: by mail-wr1-x434.google.com with SMTP id o4so361613wrn.0 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 2020 06:35:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cedro.info; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=CZKI2MPgsxnDMtHIrrIN44RsRljg0pNcCKzWtCxIiYU=; b=HV+/eUxfmDo9Pmjg2Mkhr/N19acHHem1HQM2oO7cZuAr1jGrxiiMsu87ljnHy1erYJ //ZdY0cCUO9mhqdMtOBkPw6kx8OE7n5d7NOAEInDMP0dRrB1Gaw06cdYqewr2fkEuRhg vPWrD4Hgqa7bp8t4flBeKEfcLJo35mR5bZ6wzzJR2OVj8+grEifhuOy9iOK5eaCuF3yZ imBzlnJoOky6iPYotISCke5D39BgSoxw/EvDUCbOoBkOrcxNb421QoDLhaHEwBZDlMbu L5o8j7qKu/tbWRs+bkMx2Pv8uw/wKAeTx0+J75j/BSSuEB+zxHQYQSrCnAXlw20tFRhh v9+A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=CZKI2MPgsxnDMtHIrrIN44RsRljg0pNcCKzWtCxIiYU=; b=L9nf99pJRU7DX4RM3CL/x4EecKGhSiC2JiXTFUAXKwUH9tbdsNP7/ErmRGWHXb1KRE j2h8PanaB8kw/XumPyNhvNpQc9vKmDjjj/OURLrIaIubE1I8llCu82qtV548z+cQpc9t vHj43v9Gy4SqF9wSWjKMDMLfzLRuPn1DN3c1omb7MVQKQyMl2WnmS87xMjyehSWnFxWO CVtF17YdJOb86q+13XjmshWpLItlKdTNVmifBjfXSv5u1srNNP6uuCcVfRl8Fk5cDg/y 2Vg6eFUyDaruMbTBH1amkq1KP+GSWOmFw7XIicTwzpIfvsJl7OsNrowB5bAO1QrUCVXx 53qw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530xXzFgbl1UEediObWjSnoyw5y0t6YZKEs8PcQled2b1iK65Ufw G5jmGf2w7DeiDe1fc35Djl1R2cgEUbsRvn1xoAVCng== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJw2rwTx3sxlnjY05oQMjNchXaBhj+AxwrwUeE+GMhzvpVH6fpQTLlxdYM5OXbdM5B0TkZ47PYC0J6WUWYCvL3Q= X-Received: by 2002:adf:f507:: with SMTP id q7mr7230913wro.343.1598103335594; Sat, 22 Aug 2020 06:35:35 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20200822080950.9fe3cd7d.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: From: Tomasz CEDRO Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2020 15:35:13 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: very slight OT: creating a *bootable* MSDOS7 memstick To: Aryeh Friedman Cc: Polytropon , Karl Dunn , FreeBSD Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BYfXT6wMJz4d8g X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=cedro.info header.s=google header.b=HV+/eUxf; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of tomek@cedro.info has no SPF policy when checking 2a00:1450:4864:20::434) smtp.mailfrom=tomek@cedro.info X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.72 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[cedro.info:s=google]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[cedro.info]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[cedro.info:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.48)[-0.484]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::434:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; SUSPICIOUS_RECIPS(1.50)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2020 13:35:38 -0000 On Sat, Aug 22, 2020 at 3:29 PM Aryeh Friedman wrote: > Nice idea and I just tried it only one problem: When I tried to start "mi= ni-windows XP" the screen flashed once and returned to the boot menu and I = see no way to break out the boot menu (the command line stuff are also menu= driven and ignore ctrl-c). None of the menu options were usable in my ca= se for the task I am attempting. Try different versions there were some problems with this stuff.. 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None of the menu options were usable in > my case for the task I am attempting. > > Try different versions there were some problems with this stuff.. I > was using 9.7 and it worked.. later releases did not work for me :-) > > https://www.tomek.cedro.info/files/service/HirensBootCD/ Same problem with it. Tried 9.7 and 15.2. > > > -- > CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info > -- Aryeh M. 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Message-ID: <20200822145023.68ef612f@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <1910cebb-026d-ee47-e793-23dc89ed4fe6@dreamchaser.org> References: <332bdd11-40f3-b5af-7683-aca6494abe6e@dreamchaser.org> <20200821193243.622b63e5@gumby.homeunix.com> <1910cebb-026d-ee47-e793-23dc89ed4fe6@dreamchaser.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.5 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.1) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BYfsd3x4yz4dvM X-Spamd-Bar: / X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.18 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[googlemail.com:s=20161025]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[googlemail.com]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[googlemail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[googlemail.com,quarantine]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::429:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.18)[-0.184]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[2.217.224.242:received]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[googlemail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[googlemail.com:dkim] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2020 13:50:30 -0000 On Fri, 21 Aug 2020 22:17:51 -0600 Gary Aitken wrote: > On 8/21/20 12:11 PM, Polytropon wrote: > >> ... > >> Fetching 4 metadata patches... done. > >> Applying metadata patches... done. > >> Fetching 0 metadata files... done. > >> Fetching 22 patches. > >> (22/22) 100.00% done. > >> done. > >> Applying patches... > >> done. > >> Fetching 2 new ports or files... done. > >> /usr/ports was not created by portsnap. > >> You must run 'portsnap extract' before running 'portsnap update'. > > How can it apply patches if an extract hasn't been done and is needed? > Does it knowingly, by default, apply patches to a tree it knows is > "bad"? In this case, bad may simply mean installed at sysinstall time? > Is that a known/documented behavior people rely on? The patches are being applied to the compressed snapshot, not to the ports tree. The main three commands are fetch - create or update the compressed snapshot from a remote server extract - extract the entire snapshot over the ports tree and initialize hidden metadata under the ports tree. update - compare metadata files and extract parts of the snapshot that have been updated It's not hugely wrong to adopt a tree installed from a tarball. The issue is that obsolete files that are outside of a port directory and weren't installed by portsnap wont be deleted automatically. Usually such files will be ignored, but there is a very small risk that they might have an effect. The original point of the tree from the installer is that it was the one used to created the packages on the installation media. This meant that it was safe to mix and match ports and packages provided you didn't update anything, other than applying security packages. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Aug 22 14:03:33 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9C693BC1E2 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 2020 14:03:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek@cedro.info) Received: from mail-wr1-x441.google.com (mail-wr1-x441.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::441]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BYg8h6Srgz4fgg for ; Sat, 22 Aug 2020 14:03:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek@cedro.info) Received: by mail-wr1-x441.google.com with SMTP id f7so4472503wrw.1 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 2020 07:03:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cedro.info; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=eYmFmBjOqw1LxYwXNN+tAUW8sm5MdEp9mW8qR/6ndkw=; b=V4GZOC+wxWFFSrI5K+pfUWzOGSGaaz3UdF07dkuPFyCp3qhmFfiS9RutvrNkc2lqpI dFQgbZL97Gyy0vXyTUBDpjhGrwtnhCaBnjuXxKs22GMkoObbuTVJMmWjwYa/tn4Nxx3w tSJq+S/cHAa4CGj7/Q/sXbXT4DfFtN5KkkC58S4w3zAftRbXSQsTXEBo4wtgqdlHN9EQ GCBzpxolaY1V/Aez2kH7JNmCVfGuDZ+QoNcN1FJ2vT6Pd5BKnFEWRIbqVT3Max6yUSyY gxB4oyYINvOedJhooO3R1ElNH0BPA6Rsy3CufeMsj7naK+asm5o1T5jtaRVHlkfyauyr S2uw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=eYmFmBjOqw1LxYwXNN+tAUW8sm5MdEp9mW8qR/6ndkw=; b=SiZHV4HUK03sIF4OXzrM06/i3m5zyGtptbH3hLiTD473wbpa3DVNjG/S2f3N0QxcYx 0BfJOcGyTCZp3jyeWCpsI1iWc5z13cogLbAGSHaxMQJepRYdXmbLh/sXeTTrfiXNiq9V 5sXTxEsA6BDfGgZtqjOSSXDWSbQVCpxgqNreoSEts/ZgHLLS3679zrUX0LkJeyCaCVoT F/MDqHNJLjk/9Dzkt4wOVUEGHsQEfKwE6BMkxw2GxlsSgS3GVIQWcjMd1K9EvczzjlkW Yr0HO7WwRJiNd9AbjrNCBmiJt3WZVutiwRTmIRso01C6SRUPIh65/wZcm4Alpk1rB6CQ P4Rw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531b92oD9Sz4uiByRTKaa+c2144jIEZ/96aiPS1PcMXxJ9XtSF/B d09YgX83AhHI8MpKEWQj0ObQX6aaoweZxKWSQzX1aw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxxQh+oRY5qpvv+fBDO8oqWUIDEyCeNGBwrJNU6Ahy/z0NZ0oZWqOoehjM0vwmBmx3NkBi8qNhHxIsn0wDFs0A= X-Received: by 2002:adf:f507:: with SMTP id q7mr7309587wro.343.1598105010805; Sat, 22 Aug 2020 07:03:30 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20200822080950.9fe3cd7d.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: From: Tomasz CEDRO Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2020 16:03:08 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: very slight OT: creating a *bootable* MSDOS7 memstick To: Aryeh Friedman Cc: Polytropon , Karl Dunn , FreeBSD Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BYg8h6Srgz4fgg X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=cedro.info header.s=google header.b=V4GZOC+w; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of tomek@cedro.info has no SPF policy when checking 2a00:1450:4864:20::441) smtp.mailfrom=tomek@cedro.info X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.71 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[cedro.info:s=google]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[cedro.info]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[cedro.info:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.49)[-0.488]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::441:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; SUSPICIOUS_RECIPS(1.50)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2020 14:03:33 -0000 On Sat, Aug 22, 2020 at 3:48 PM Aryeh Friedman wrote: > On Sat, Aug 22, 2020 at 9:35 AM Tomasz CEDRO wrote: >> On Sat, Aug 22, 2020 at 3:29 PM Aryeh Friedman wrote: >> > Nice idea and I just tried it only one problem: When I tried to start = "mini-windows XP" the screen flashed once and returned to the boot menu and= I see no way to break out the boot menu (the command line stuff are also m= enu driven and ignore ctrl-c). None of the menu options were usable in my= case for the task I am attempting. >> Try different versions there were some problems with this stuff.. I >> was using 9.7 and it worked.. later releases did not work for me :-) >> >> https://www.tomek.cedro.info/files/service/HirensBootCD/ > > Same problem with it. Tried 9.7 and 15.2. Sorry to hear. Are you using USB-CDROM? It worked for me some years back then, at least some of versions, particularly this 9.7 I still keep just in case. You may want to try on another computer, review BIOS settings, etc, just to see if that works anywhere else. Maybe that simple MS-DOS prompt would be enough - you were asking for MS-DOS prompt and all those base menus and utilities are based on MS-DOS..? Maybe there is yet another way to achieve your goal? Depending on how precious is the result you may simply get your hands directly on the hardware and dump/replace the memory contents :-) --=20 CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Aug 22 14:13:10 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 800F53BC5CE for ; Sat, 22 Aug 2020 14:13:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ctuffli@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yb1-xb2c.google.com (mail-yb1-xb2c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::b2c]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BYgMm37PDz4gFP for ; Sat, 22 Aug 2020 14:13:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ctuffli@gmail.com) Received: by mail-yb1-xb2c.google.com with SMTP id a34so2616881ybj.9 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 2020 07:13:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=J+HidkZ4fsAr1xROPJ6DQ5nZ5HWb3xdCPVlzgWjM6TY=; b=os0OhHkXgKtaHkY8PfSQOYb35e+cGnDhk15xMdx6xfGJXsM1Pa7ZIg2YDk9AagFmjI KQMDzjWRRu9JlcbXScy2Txcn+X1nhajUdnexPIkkbD9KoI+ycyDnBjmHCQLJ7CFCFROn Dz751BOdePJovCqcfmqQOLT3KF0OFgLbH3w85WRsJQtbgmgPVgyVVJ/zH84L7IMKUXFQ fIxoqQtoYyCTUOrZBsMSYkQ1x7xVjb2uaXSvSglvOIyjGVSWdTnI4p5IksNJLdLF5a28 liaazLfY5JW+yYBuBseJvFhUDt29rIylCYU/MeP/bonqFycegOqIMh6fmfyhJ32BSa5u hPTg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=J+HidkZ4fsAr1xROPJ6DQ5nZ5HWb3xdCPVlzgWjM6TY=; b=DBfsETX77B9LcwoL7KDZnuyaLXPVgNkh7zWT7nqEPaKdDgaYBEWsf7buCirv1nG2Y0 sl4XXKalRJe11f5wfstGDlevXFNnGRRB5OPsHFHk5Js9OpyyIE50w6Jwl0KeBOVGMqyO /P/++1uKrWemAevPnvjr7qIJhwb6s8+zdasZP6FlkGQ1KUw2p3l8FycmfT7EkXHDQIkI g28hqlGaa/EoKD0SAnHfb93/Ub0zWIqf+JqcfAXWz5dkGiQ55crxrDQ5ZHW7iu6TFmG8 ghQBxLp3dxhNMPhZMiFPCxPQABqr1MXcN/EkV1wKLZzgCIP9dOGacWjCX4monTFi85mT zIrg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5312/yvduwSVHlGhlOZjJ3iWF27RGAzQZhq39uWEoWzkaZBfZv7y mEiWnBIYlfiW9wVSDtJ+fXRU1nsQL+sWwsRl6xTWQ6TdBiFERg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwVjn4gla842j04KQCFCIYi2b/IqLWGLIhZgAPa9+PjemSDj+YaJYBbCidC9700Tq0cza/mP8VuH6GJpibac4M= X-Received: by 2002:a25:7453:: with SMTP id p80mr9675100ybc.441.1598105587195; Sat, 22 Aug 2020 07:13:07 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chuck Tuffli Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2020 07:12:53 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: UFS alternate super block error To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BYgMm37PDz4gFP X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=os0OhHkX; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ctuffli@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::b2c as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ctuffli@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.19 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::b2c:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.19)[-0.192]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2020 14:13:10 -0000 Recently, I enlarged the file used to back a FreeBSD 12.1-RELEASE-p7 virtual machine and thought I did all of the normal steps to grow the file system. Something must not have gone quite right as the boot stops with: ... Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/gpt/rootfs [rw]... Setting hostuuid: 5defeee9-d2e2-46e2-b2bb-203dd6e46f1f. Setting hostid: 0x4a7a75f3. Starting file system checks: Warning! Some of the devices might not be available; retrying Waiting 30s for the root mount holders: usbus3 usbus2 usbus1 usbus0uhub1: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered uhub2: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered uhub3: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered ..uhub0: 6 ports with 6 removable, self powered Restarting file system checks: Unknown error 3; help! ERROR: ABORTING BOOT (sending SIGTERM to parent)! 2020-08-22T13:32:36.786266+00:00 init 1 - - /bin/sh on /etc/rc terminated abnormally, going to single user mode Enter full pathname of shell or RETURN for /bin/sh: entering the shell and then immediately exiting allows the boot to continue successfully. Running fsck from shell indicates there is an error with the alternate super block: # fsck_ffs -d /dev/gpt/rootfs ** /dev/gpt/rootfs SUPER BLOCK VS ALTERNATE MISMATCH fs_sblkno: 24 vs 0 SUPER BLOCK VS ALTERNATE MISMATCH fs_cblkno: 32 vs 0 SUPER BLOCK VS ALTERNATE MISMATCH fs_iblkno: 40 vs 0 SUPER BLOCK VS ALTERNATE MISMATCH fs_dblkno: 5056 vs 0 SUPER BLOCK VS ALTERNATE MISMATCH fs_ncg: 162 vs 0 SUPER BLOCK VS ALTERNATE MISMATCH fs_bsize: 32768 vs 0 SUPER BLOCK VS ALTERNATE MISMATCH fs_fsize: 4096 vs 0 SUPER BLOCK VS ALTERNATE MISMATCH fs_frag: 8 vs 0 SUPER BLOCK VS ALTERNATE MISMATCH fs_bmask: 0xffffffffffff8000 vs 0 SUPER BLOCK VS ALTERNATE MISMATCH fs_fmask: 0xfffffffffffff000 vs 0 SUPER BLOCK VS ALTERNATE MISMATCH fs_bshift: 15 vs 0 SUPER BLOCK VS ALTERNATE MISMATCH fs_fshift: 12 vs 0 SUPER BLOCK VS ALTERNATE MISMATCH fs_fragshift: 3 vs 0 SUPER BLOCK VS ALTERNATE MISMATCH fs_fsbtodb: 3 vs 0 SUPER BLOCK VS ALTERNATE MISMATCH fs_sbsize: 4096 vs 0 SUPER BLOCK VS ALTERNATE MISMATCH fs_nindir: 4096 vs 0 SUPER BLOCK VS ALTERNATE MISMATCH fs_inopb: 128 vs 0 SUPER BLOCK VS ALTERNATE MISMATCH fs_cssize: 4096 vs 0 SUPER BLOCK VS ALTERNATE MISMATCH fs_ipg: 80256 vs 0 SUPER BLOCK VS ALTERNATE MISMATCH fs_fpg: 160280 vs 0 SUPER BLOCK VS ALTERNATE MISMATCH fs_magic: 0x19540119 vs 0 VALUES IN SUPER BLOCK LSB=128 DISAGREE WITH THOSE IN LAST ALTERNATE LSB=206440832 IGNORE ALTERNATE SUPER BLOCK? [yn] I've tried running fsck a few times, but this issue persists. Is there any way to fix this? --chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Aug 22 14:17:49 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98DAF3BCC8C for ; Sat, 22 Aug 2020 14:17:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from mail-io1-xd34.google.com (mail-io1-xd34.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d34]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BYgT83Dcfz4gdc for ; Sat, 22 Aug 2020 14:17:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by mail-io1-xd34.google.com with SMTP id m23so3858306iol.8 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 2020 07:17:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=xxs6JkNb2EdoYHQ/EgeIeIQZVBWgZUB6oOn9uSJMM54=; b=fl8dfZoe5hJqVNY3l8QCli6N94oVoRq5XDYiT7JS99hQE2Is2osqdvf37WSsIyJIM4 rxnukVLSUMZRrgLYi2hQVJz0yI2W7IxWyvdh6IuqSuMkDoGqdHwD4qHbi0JuZUK3hUMG CeYbF5FWOnw8cdFEL/TJElfVtN9dfvyyXgeWcqLY9uve/0jvQELWKrTr9mjjdyxPnGzV nWYKvVtNERz16Dfh5rn3FBZQBw8FekpTABAxFlH4U7CPcLEPq4oUgC98FU2oSkrEP3IT Ch+hXS5UbUFCWC3JB+j27w8ggvkqfatjH0hFXzvXLMk+/SDnXp+I9RtaG4suR7aUfnxH iBOg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=xxs6JkNb2EdoYHQ/EgeIeIQZVBWgZUB6oOn9uSJMM54=; b=sh18PM8O33H4hXkopSthgrEZBNzuJmGfYaI8e7Q85+vqLk0ZBweGO3nZMUOxkedbLY rPg9lCALAmqpwRZrVEZ+94GU5MK5YdW3DkgiBwNUuh+LOgPn5iQ/AXQ5Cgv2GMcFqjN3 21R5k0Mwi+ws2DFkOSpHBPlyB/BHD1oFQKWcdYRp6wrI5tm/CuG5WBlXptupYZuRQ6Vp 7rL3ibvGq6r5dtT/vb6C6Kly3X0E1tgBQzeLcaF+8OB18veId3vJkHaab9nCeQCR89Mb nJy+lB0WK/nPIMR+D66TvMz5u3daeapeaK4TgPLWSAkbef+9AI5xronJKtOyVUwCGey6 feHg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5326M6/XiL1ua0NPXprIoBjeaNnPexUyc6/qDAsYX4Gph7d6jqCT k4JQSgt3wq+JBrQUj5mNsPqrS1OTWD3XbvGE6vg= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzaClIOdp58u/v2ONn6TzSRllWe3/u+Ld4y7eHnWJRWrsYTy2275BejtWhmgyJFu1DY4u8WUpLx0H7f8ZGMtw8= X-Received: by 2002:a6b:da13:: with SMTP id x19mr6097299iob.174.1598105867310; Sat, 22 Aug 2020 07:17:47 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20200822080950.9fe3cd7d.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: From: Aryeh Friedman Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2020 10:17:36 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: very slight OT: creating a *bootable* MSDOS7 memstick To: Tomasz CEDRO Cc: Polytropon , Karl Dunn , FreeBSD Mailing List X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BYgT83Dcfz4gdc X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=fl8dfZoe; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of aryehfriedman@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::d34 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=aryehfriedman@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.43 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::d34:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.43)[-0.426]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2020 14:17:49 -0000 On Sat, Aug 22, 2020 at 10:03 AM Tomasz CEDRO wrote: > On Sat, Aug 22, 2020 at 3:48 PM Aryeh Friedman wrote: > > On Sat, Aug 22, 2020 at 9:35 AM Tomasz CEDRO wrote: > >> On Sat, Aug 22, 2020 at 3:29 PM Aryeh Friedman wrote: > >> > Nice idea and I just tried it only one problem: When I tried to start > "mini-windows XP" the screen flashed once and returned to the boot menu and > I see no way to break out the boot menu (the command line stuff are also > menu driven and ignore ctrl-c). None of the menu options were usable in > my case for the task I am attempting. > >> Try different versions there were some problems with this stuff.. I > >> was using 9.7 and it worked.. later releases did not work for me :-) > >> > >> https://www.tomek.cedro.info/files/service/HirensBootCD/ > > > > Same problem with it. Tried 9.7 and 15.2. > > Sorry to hear. Are you using USB-CDROM? It worked for me some years > back then, at least some of versions, particularly this 9.7 I still > keep just in case. You may want to try on another computer, review > BIOS settings, etc, just to see if that works anywhere else. Maybe > that simple MS-DOS prompt would be enough - you were asking for MS-DOS > prompt and all those base menus and utilities are based on MS-DOS..? > 1. Already tried DOS as explained in another part of the thread 2. Only other machine I have is nearly identical hardware (slight difference in the model number of the motherboard -- the one I am writing from is rev. 1 of the board and other one is rev 2) > > Maybe there is yet another way to achieve your goal? Depending on how > precious is the result you may simply get your hands directly on the > hardware and dump/replace the memory contents :-) > Again as stated elsewhere in the thread the entire point of the exercise (except as a learning experience) is to avoid going to the store, a 5 hr trip start to finish, to replace a $30 SSD (there is nothing I need on the bricked up one). > > -- > CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info > -- Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Aug 22 20:01:27 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 282D93C4608 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 2020 20:01:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from holgerdanske.com (holgerdanske.com [184.105.128.27]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "www.holgerdanske.com", Issuer "www.holgerdanske.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BYq5d6zKHz3WT3 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 2020 20:01:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from 99.100.19.101 (99-100-19-101.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net [99.100.19.101]) by holgerdanske.com with ESMTPSA (TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:TLSv1.3:Kx=any:Au=any:Enc=AESGCM(128):Mac=AEAD) (SMTP-AUTH username dpchrist@holgerdanske.com, mechanism PLAIN) for ; Sat, 22 Aug 2020 13:01:13 -0700 Subject: Re: adding disk to zfs mirror after removal of disk To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20200821230206.GA56267@bastion.zyxst.net> <20200822050431.GA17289@bastion.zyxst.net> <9274f688-2897-8d0b-d799-100316684b06@holgerdanske.com> <913cb7b3-f90b-44f5-5e80-4766b92d788f@cleopatre.mooo.com> From: David Christensen Message-ID: <8cbeebd6-dd9b-a1ae-0dca-051da612c552@holgerdanske.com> Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2020 13:01:12 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <913cb7b3-f90b-44f5-5e80-4766b92d788f@cleopatre.mooo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BYq5d6zKHz3WT3 X-Spamd-Bar: + Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dpchrist@holgerdanske.com has no SPF policy when checking 184.105.128.27) smtp.mailfrom=dpchrist@holgerdanske.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.01 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.11)[0.108]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[holgerdanske.com]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:184.104.0.0/15, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2020 20:01:27 -0000 On 2020-08-22 06:17, Antoine Vu-Ngoc wrote: > On 22/08/2020 13:06, David Christensen wrote: >> On 2020-08-21 22:04, tech-lists wrote: >>> # zpool status wd >>> pool: wd >>> state: ONLINE >>> scan: scrub repaired 0 in 0 days 01:00:27 with 0 errors on Fri Aug 21 >>> 11:38:48 2020 >>> config: >>> >>> NAME STATE READ WRITE CKSUM >>> wd ONLINE 0 0 0 >>> diskid/DISK-WD-WCC131097443 ONLINE 0 0 0 >>> ada3 ONLINE 0 0 0 >>> >>> errors: No known data errors >>> >>> The disks are 2 x western digital black 4TB. The disk that was removed from >>> the mirror is ada3. The didkid/string is aka ada2. Ideally i'd like its name >>> changed back from that string to ada2 as well. >> I don't know how you obtained the "diskid/..." name ... > Another guess: ada2 has been "gparted", ada3 not. check with command gpart show > adax for each disk involved Antoine STFW I found this forum post: https://www.reddit.com/r/freebsd/comments/f1wmxi/alternative_to_devdiskbyid_for_zfs/ On my system: 2020-08-22 12:51:34 toor@f3 ~ # freebsd-version; uname -a 12.1-RELEASE-p7 FreeBSD f3.tracy.holgerdanske.com 12.1-RELEASE-p7 FreeBSD 12.1-RELEASE-p7 GENERIC amd64 RTFM I found glabel(8). "diskid" appears to be enabled by default. David From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Aug 22 21:27:09 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68ABC3C610C for ; Sat, 22 Aug 2020 21:27:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olivares14031@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wm1-x334.google.com (mail-wm1-x334.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::334]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BYs0X4FT8z3bJV for ; Sat, 22 Aug 2020 21:27:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olivares14031@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wm1-x334.google.com with SMTP id g75so4912066wme.4 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 2020 14:27:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=VHyFHHT5HV0ebYoSSsM46vx+Iip2x83aL5JIt9tME/s=; b=I8COTFl8wfonh01dt6Cr4GOHx9cHv7FxOg5O4cDgTJsvZO1zz7qWzdppRm7F5sb0/h Ino39oWOJfTVyvx5goQ5H3TrlRkosTIwlgwBeIzrpVMQQ16AdKCvVZ+gVxUEQK+GUVci BYmBcngnAO9GzvWU+ArVm3ls70BSSvtKtsPp+huo0emo+FBxlPJc7d0GClafIUu8DaeJ GVc4d0QipikVeYPyZGv8d61L/s0jk1QX2M9VipWEa30WMFZLM/LDS+U1O+FwwP/5O7bn 9C9eZD5cwu+PJDkZGWsO7iDDCGr9R37sz6KIw39o76z5E+GfCKYR8HJT4huYu9cAnDPM GQ5Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=VHyFHHT5HV0ebYoSSsM46vx+Iip2x83aL5JIt9tME/s=; b=fzGtnxB586KQFKDRvAktRFlJobJU/VaevpfAyGKtxL8YrWJ6GdK219PC0mEpx3lmXY m/DYufK+66rLNEHT+c5p32vcYD8Qc/4LtwUmG+nN08lA5XCaX8eYFBbLPYaUHUkLipyZ o4Wy0jwV2/XzL/OtgJ3P7CCAbNVdkbcKyIjQ0cdjug9j2oRSMY85LYge9cowBK0W82Gu YPOnFG8F5TbED1bnjXIeYC8kifjC86HIgRpcY4uVCeDHRuus4DLLZKgRbENKTg24iQ4R NbtzkMIdgLZf8seRIqYjznGJhda8clNw/KJUpw2UpEHQ+YxfBwwwkpjeYQc/Uq6NWz0/ G0ZA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531kDx04FTJj7CPrPfbg8ak8Cwr4LW+8inXcB22KB5g2OOlYyPjh 1rRopwnNMfhPJBINHyeD3YSTv/ylGgUy5++Cyj8btXIiTxY= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJz4xQ06bfi2e7v0SQvLFGochXBDc0lKI94TdNFAfjNzfBrVIsHcK1rxitXHTx9zm8MG00Nc81VqOwprCz4BFMs= X-Received: by 2002:a7b:c14e:: with SMTP id z14mr60287wmi.34.1598131621259; Sat, 22 Aug 2020 14:27:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a1c:3243:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Sat, 22 Aug 2020 14:27:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Antonio Olivares Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2020 16:27:00 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Reset xorg using lumina desktop To: FreeBSD Questions X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BYs0X4FT8z3bJV X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=I8COTFl8; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of olivares14031@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::334 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=olivares14031@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.41 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::334:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.41)[-0.410]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2020 21:27:09 -0000 Dear kind FreeBSD users, I am running FreeBSD using lumina. I was using two screens, one with HDMI and one with VGA at school. Since learning is now online, I am using only HDMI now, but my screen only remembers new setting. I have tried checking /etc/X11/xorg.conf but it is not present. I try screen configuration, but cannot reset it to only Monitor with HDMI output. How can I reset it so I can just have fresh desktop with all icons on the screen? If you need output from xrandr, I can send it in on Monday. When teaching online and using Google classroom, the microphone was muted, I started using telefono to use and connect with it. My sister got for me a Bluetooth device, but that will be a challenge to get working. I appreciate help/advice and suggestions to fix the screen. 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FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.14)[0.139]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; BAD_REP_POLICIES(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; GREYLIST(0.00)[pass,body]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-Spam: Yes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2020 23:00:04 -0000 On 2020-08-23 02:57, Antonio Olivares wrote: > Dear kind FreeBSD users, > > I am running FreeBSD using lumina. I was using two screens, one with HDMI > and one with VGA at school. Since learning is now online, I am using only > HDMI now, but my screen only remembers new setting. I have tried checking > /etc/X11/xorg.conf but it is not present. I try screen configuration, but > cannot reset it to only Monitor with HDMI output. > > How can I reset it so I can just have fresh desktop with all icons on the > screen? > > If you need output from xrandr, I can send it in on Monday. When teaching > online and using Google classroom, the microphone was muted, I started > using telefono to use and connect with it. My sister got for me a > Bluetooth device, but that will be a challenge to get working. > > I appreciate help/advice and suggestions to fix the screen. You have not mentioned what graphics chip you are using. Perhaps creating a new xorg.conf might take care of your problem. Can you try booting FreeBSD in text mode and run the following: 1) Xorg -configure 2) mv xorg.conf.new /etc/X11/xorg.conf 3) reboot Regards, Manish Jain