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Date:      Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:33:40 -0500 (CDT)
From:      David Scheidt <dscheidt@enteract.com>
To:        j mckitrick <jcm@FreeBSD-uk.eu.org>
Cc:        Alfred Perlstein <bright@wintelcom.net>, "Christopher S. Weimann" <cweimann@wallnet.com>, Olaf Hoyer <ohoyer@fbwi.fh-wilhelmshaven.de>, David Kelly <dkelly@hiwaay.net>, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: Why I Don't Do Linux
Message-ID:  <Pine.NEB.3.96.1000815102631.49968A-100000@shell-1.enteract.com>
In-Reply-To: <20000815161625.B38878@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org>

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On Tue, 15 Aug 2000, j mckitrick wrote:

:| > However, occasionally the rulers do tell someone.  Under the usual
:| > `su' mechanism, once someone learns the root password who sympathizes
:| > with the ordinary users, he or she can tell the rest.  The "wheel
:| > group" feature would make this impossible, and thus cement the power of
:| > the rulers.                                                                     
:| > 
:| > I'm on the side of the masses, not that of the rulers.  If you are
:| > used to supporting the bosses and sysadmins in whatever they do, you
:| > might find this idea strange at first.
:| >
:| 
:| Or any kind of accountability...
:
:How does the wheel group enforce accountability?  Doesn't disabling remote
:root logins (thus requiring 'su) produce an audit trial, thus enforcing
:accountability?
:

If I got root, you don't have an sulog.  Funny how that works, eh? 

Remember that RMS is an ITS hacker.  ITS had essentially no security.


David



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