From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 2 08:59:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03C832A0 for ; Mon, 2 Sep 2013 08:59:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Received: from bs1.fjl.org.uk (bs1.fjl.org.uk [84.45.41.196]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5B1D9296D for ; Mon, 2 Sep 2013 08:59:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.35] (mux.fjl.org.uk [62.3.120.246]) (authenticated bits=0) by bs1.fjl.org.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r828xjSE004323 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-DSS-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 2 Sep 2013 09:59:45 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Message-ID: <52245383.9000907@fjl.co.uk> Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2013 09:59:47 +0100 From: Frank Leonhardt User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Since SquirrelMail Looks Like It Will Never Be Supported Again... References: <52210CA4.3030206@tundraware.com> <52219CBF.5070305@fjl.co.uk> <93F74BB518CE41EA9ABA43B1150B2FC1@Rivendell> <5221CE09.4050404@fjl.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2013 08:59:55 -0000 On 02/09/2013 08:41, doug wrote: > On Sat, 31 Aug 2013, Reko Turja wrote: > >> -----Original Message----- From: Frank Leonhardt >> >>> FWIW I'm using Dovecote 1 or 2 for the IMAP. In particular, Dovecot >>> 1 with Squirrelmail has been really hammered, but has never broken. >>> I sometimes get time-outs copying thousands of emails in one hit, >>> but that's fair enough and nothing has ever been lost. Could the >>> server be the problem in your case? I found the standard imapd did >>> weird things for a lot of clients, and making the switch after many >>> years of trying to blame the client software was a really good >>> decision. >> >> Running Cyrus here for ages, it might be a bit of pain to set up, but >> it's been a really bulletproof and "zero maintenance" solution. The >> problems cannot be replicated on any other client, only Squirrel has >> those problems with mail not showing up. >> >> -Reko > > We run postfix/cyrus mail servers. My experience with messages not > showing up happens with Outlook (versions 2003, 2007, and 2013), > squirrelmail, and mac mail. In all cases reported, the user can find > messages either by sorting by date or by searching on some matching > criteria. We put this in our FAQ. I have not noticed this issue with a > server using sendmail/dovecot. That's pretty much my experience too. You start off by blaming the client software until it shows up shows up on more than one platform. I used to believe that imapd, part of the base system, must be "definitive" and beyond reproach. Ha! I don't know so much about the others, but Dovecot is full of work-arounds for various IMAP clients to cope with bugs or variations from the IMAP specification. You can spend forever arguing about which interpretation of a spec is correct but I just want it to work. (Except that Microsoft is glaringly wrong). Dovecot is really easy to install, and migrate form the base system (I don't know about from Cyrus), and I wish I'd been steered towards it earlier (which is why I'm evangelising it here). Incidentally, I have no reason to believe Dovecot 2 is any less robust than Dovecot 1 - it's just that I've really hammered Dovecot 1 for several years longer than the newer version. Regards, Frank.