From owner-freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 3 22:37:41 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CB8816A4CE for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 22:37:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mra03.ex.eclipse.net.uk (mra01.ex.eclipse.net.uk [212.104.129.110]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 058CF43D5D for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 22:37:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from adam@adamretter.eclipse.co.uk) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mra03.ex.eclipse.net.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 168F82E35B2; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 23:33:18 +0100 (BST) Received: from mra03.ex.eclipse.net.uk ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mra03.ex.eclipse.net.uk [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 02370-01-52; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 23:33:17 +0100 (BST) Received: from funkalicious (unknown [82.152.93.225]) by mra03.ex.eclipse.net.uk (Postfix) with SMTP id 009482E3107; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 23:33:17 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <000d01c479aa$78a5ceb0$f51010ac@funkalicious> From: To: References: <20040801173709.GA33102@parodius.com> <410DD3EE.4020300@pacbell.net> <20040802093250.GA57641@parodius.com> <20040802183709.GB2726@night.dbn> <410EB15C.8000204@pacbell.net> <20040803193025.GA11876@nvnsvch.org> <1091570517.823.8.camel@myrddin> Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 23:37:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by Eclipse VIRUSshield at eclipse.net.uk cc: Paul Richards Subject: Re: BSD Administrator LFW X-BeenThere: freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Jobs offered and sought List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 22:37:41 -0000 Just a thought - As a user of computers, I try to gain as much knowledge as possible of all aspects of computing. For some time now I have been studying the FreeBSD operating system and using it as much as possible, technically I find it to be a good system. I have experimented with various versions of Windows / Mac OS and Linux/Unix amongst others over the years on several hardware platforms. After several years of `playing` with FreeBSD, I have made an observation about FreeBSD admin's or users or developers or whatever else you may want to call yourselves, and that is this (Firstly, I realise this is a generalisation. Secondly, yes I am generalising but that is what I must do to describe a community easily. Thirdly, there are always exceptions to every rule of course) - Out of all the virtual community's I have interacted with over the years, FreeBSD admin's are the worst - You are unhelpful, Pedantic, Obsessive and Obstructive, generally reminding me of a bunch of bitching secondary school girls who believe they are the `in-group`. Whatever happened to helping each other and community spirit. You all seem so obsessed with FreeBSD and your self prowess of such that if someone is unwilling to follow `your` standards or ideals then you push them aside. Now I have read a lot of articles saying the Mac community has the worst Zealots, but I would suggest that its actually FreeBSD. What are you guys so scared off, cant we have open cooperative development without all this touchy feel-i-ness (unless its constructive of course). (Please don't reply to tell me FreeBSD is an Open project and cooperatively developed - I am aware of this), to what I refer is all the politics and snide doings that are also in place. An Example - I have been kicked out of a FreeBSD chat room strangely named #freebsdhelp which one would imagine you would visit for help - although I required help and asked sensible questions (I am not new to this!), I was kicked out for using short hand. I never realised Internet Chat was so formal and I would cite this as an example of small mindedness among FreeBSD admin's. This is not meant as a bitch at a community of what are very technically apt individuals, more a call to awareness. Has anyone else noticed this? Hope I haven't dropped a bomb! Cheers Adam Retter. (If there are spelling and grammar mistakes I apologise, but I do not consider this a formal address) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Richards" To: "gwen" Cc: "Diane Bruce" ; Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 11:01 PM Subject: Re: BSD Administrator LFW > On Tue, 2004-08-03 at 20:30, gwen wrote: > > * richard childers / kg6hac (fscked@pacbell.net) [040803 15:04]: > > > I think the question is whether two years of professional work is > > > sufficient to qualify as 'senior'. > > > > > > I would not hire someone who misrepresented themselves; and seniority, > > > while relative, is not something that one accrues in less time than it > > > takes to get an AA. > > > > > > If I include all the time I spent working with computers before I got my > > > first job, why, I'd have -thirty- years of experience ... not twenty. > > Replying to this is probably a really stupid thing to do... > > However, I'll say one thing, your CV should show your job decription as > it was stated in your job contract i.e. what your employer hired you to > be. If your employer hired you as "senior sysadmin" then that's what you > can put in your CV. if you put anything other than that then you're > likely to be found out at a later stage in proceedings, what you > actually did in a practical sense is an entirely different matter and > something a prospective employer should have enough sense to determine > through other means. > > Paul. > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-jobs > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-jobs-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >