Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2014 17:57:34 -0700 From: "Chad J. Milios" <milios@ccsys.com> To: Nathan Whitehorn <nwhitehorn@freebsd.org> Cc: CyberLeo Kitsana <cyberleo@cyberleo.net>, FreeBSD Mailing List <freebsd-ports@freebsd.org>, =?utf-8?Q?Fernando_Apestegu=C3=ADa?= <fernando.apesteguia@gmail.com> Subject: Re: reason 23 why we've moved to linux Message-ID: <A6AC6AE2-1FE2-40A7-BBF3-B87F50C7C09E@ccsys.com> In-Reply-To: <532E0435.6080407@freebsd.org> References: <m2iorb1ms8.wl%randy@psg.com> <53287821.4040209@freebsd.org> <m2ha6v1m4z.wl%randy@psg.com> <5328A03A.3000305@freebsd.org> <m261n6rtkf.wl%randy@psg.com> <532DDB5A.8090205@freebsd.org> <CAGwOe2aR34AB2dQq103_g6iotKDxz9MEJyzX7t4EFj4TizwxXQ@mail.gmail.com> <532DF9E4.40902@cyberleo.net> <532E0435.6080407@freebsd.org>
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> On Mar 22, 2014, at 2:44 PM, Nathan Whitehorn <nwhitehorn@freebsd.org> wro= te: >=20 >> On 03/22/14 14:00, CyberLeo Kitsana wrote: >>> On 03/22/2014 01:57 PM, Fernando Apestegu=C3=ADa wrote: >>> On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 7:50 PM, Nathan Whitehorn >>> <nwhitehorn@freebsd.org> wrote: >>>> On 03/22/14 11:12, Randy Bush wrote: >> <snip> >>>> At least testing branches would be appreciated. >>> Something like ivoras@ suggested two years ago? >>>=20 >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-ports/2010-March/060296.html >> Something like this? >>=20 >> http://svnweb.freebsd.org/ports/branches/2014Q1/ >=20 > No, not like that. A continuously updated moving branch one step down in e= xperimentation. > -Nathan I believe it is indeed what you are looking for [in spirit and in theory at l= east], hence the branch description: "This is a stable branch which will be m= aintained for 3 months..." and various commit descriptions marked "MFH" i.e.= "merged from head" ranging from 3 months to 3 days ago. Now, whether or not= this branch lives up to it's intent is another story all together. That par= t, I couldn't say because... I, for one, admit to just now learning of this branch's existence. Then agai= n, I never went looking for such a thing since, despite maintaining the depl= oyment of 1300 ports on 130 servers [from a seat on a golf cart during the t= rips between the front and back nine], I so very seldom stumble upon a failu= re in ports HEAD that isn't fixed within mere moments or that I can't conven= iently back-burner and have solved for me over the course of a day by a quic= k holler to the helpful and friendly folk on freebsd-ports@, but I guess tha= t's just me. FWIW, I only use 9.2 in production and I do share your underlying sentiment t= hat 9.2 should still be the release marked "Production" and 10.0 should have= been marked "New Technology" at least until 10.1. I think I recall the issu= e that triggered this long and windy thread was clang related. At least Free= BSD has notoriously thorough and long-lived legacy support. FWIW, in my job I still use the old pkg_ tools, don't need portmaster, poudr= iere or any of that young punk noise, just the base tools with an occasional= dash of svn. I've never felt an uncomfortable stampede of masses forcing my= grumpy old self onto newer and better tech before I was good and ready for i= t, like happens to me while involved with many of the various types of Linix= deployments I maintain, though the fear of such a thing happening to FreeBS= D has always been real, what with the rapid pace of its development happenin= g these days along with some people's ever-present nagging to "keep up with t= he Linuxes" regarding this or that latest shiny red button. FWIW, and I believe it's worth a lot, on the two VM's I fiddle with 10.x on,= I've found all of the new tools to be relatively easy to learn, well engine= ered, well maintained and [for better or worse] rapidly evolving, only not q= uite as well tested as I might like, and on that last point I can concede th= at I understand the OP's pain. I, for one, would like to thank all of the devs at FreeBSD for creating and m= aintaining the smoothest, most flexible and overall best operating system I'= ve ever had the pleasure of working with. I am very much looking forward to d= eploying 10.1 on almost every one of the production systems I maintain and I= 'm confident that when 10.x is granted that .1 badge by release engineering t= hat I will confidently and smoothly be able to. I can't imagine where I'd be= in a rigid world of only the fractured Linux fiefdoms, oligarchies and hips= ter drum-circles. Probably dead under a bridge with a needle in my arm, a gu= n in my mouth, a noose around my neck and an empty bottle of pills laying be= side me.=
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