Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 14:04:15 -0800 From: Robert Clark <res03db2@gte.net> To: Brett Glass <brett@lariat.org> Cc: Paul Robinson <paul@akita.co.uk>, Nils Holland <nils@tisys.org>, "Walter C. Pelissero" <walter@pelissero.org>, chat@FreeBSD.ORG, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: NatWest? no thanks Message-ID: <20011101140415.B41247@darkstar.gte.net> In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20011101125020.04a44100@localhost>; from brett@lariat.org on Thu, Nov 01, 2001 at 12:52:49PM -0700 References: <20011031210224.A710-100000@howie.ncptiddische.net> <15328.13403.591620.246277@hyde.lpds.sublink.org> <20011031210224.A710-100000@howie.ncptiddische.net> <20011101095903.B43740@jake.akitanet.co.uk> <4.3.2.7.2.20011101125020.04a44100@localhost>
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In a way, I wish MS would make up some incompatible non-open (browser alternative) product and take the MS-loving clone-people away from the internet entirely. As long as I'm wishing, maybe they could take Word with them too. If people stopped trying to duct tape everything imaginable to browsers, that wouldn't hurt my feelings either. (When was the internet redefine to mean that everything has to be crammed into the http protocol?) When did people get lazy and start thinking that they could write workable software without having to port it to each platform they expected it to run on? I often think this is a much bigger issue than the OS/GNU/CS debate. Any good quality open source OS, when supplied with a working compiler, can take you to the edge of your abilities as a (new) programmer.(?) The OS is not going to let you down. And once you've advanced far enough as a programmer that you start to find deficiencies, you can go look into the source and see if there is anything you can do to help.(?) What can we do to make this even more true? Do other people even value FreeBSD for this reason? When Sun took their set-top box language, and tried to force a paradigm shift, what did they accomplish, if anything? Is Java the next Navigator? Are C, C++, and Perl the only languages to worth bothering with in the long term? Thanks, [RC] On Thu, Nov 01, 2001 at 12:52:49PM -0700, Brett Glass wrote: > At 02:59 AM 11/1/2001, Paul Robinson wrote: > > >Had you considered that there was a load of Javascript or even Java that was > >supposed to be running on your machine to help keep the underlying > >functionality of the site going, and that because you're not running it, you > >are going to cause problems for yourself, and potentially for the site > >admins? > > I have the right to choose what runs and does not run on my machine. I > generally turn off Java and JavaScript because both are usually > used to add needless and wasteful flash to Websites at the expense > of worthwhile content. > > >Browser compatability testing, believe it or not, is often not there > >entirely for your sake - it's sometimes there for people like us, on the > >backend. It's to ensure that the javascript and Java VM stuff is where you > >expect it to be (in the browser) and that it behaves the way you expect it > >to behave. This is particularly important in banking applications. > > Java and JavaScript are both so unreliable and insecure that it is > very important, in banking applications, NOT to use either. > > --Brett GLass > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message
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