Date: 23 Jan 2003 12:17:25 +0000 From: Doug Rabson <dfr@nlsystems.com> To: Nicolas Souchu <nsouch@free.fr> Cc: Marcel Moolenaar <marcel@xcllnt.net>, arch@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Newbusifying kbd? Message-ID: <1043324244.28124.34.camel@builder02.qubesoft.com> In-Reply-To: <20030122222335.A8449@armor.fastether> References: <20030119225129.A6948@armor.fastether> <20030119233031.GA24377@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net> <20030120074638.A11055@armor.fastether> <20030120222027.GA597@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> <3E2D173C.3040507@graphics.cs.uni-sb.de> <20030122091519.B6700@armor.fastether> <20030122081923.GA10985@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net> <20030122222335.A8449@armor.fastether>
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On Wed, 2003-01-22 at 21:23, Nicolas Souchu wrote: > On Wed, Jan 22, 2003 at 12:19:23AM -0800, Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 22, 2003 at 09:15:19AM +0100, Nicolas Souchu wrote: > > > On Tue, Jan 21, 2003 at 10:47:40AM +0100, Alexander Leidinger wrote: > > > > Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > > > > > > > > [KGI] > > > > > > > > > I took a quick look at it. I'm not opposed to having graphics support > > > > > in the kernel. The problem I think I see is that we probably have > > > > > enough interest to make standard VGA work, but never really have the > > > > > people or interest to keep up with the latest and greatest graphics > > > > > engine. So, I think this would be useful only in a model where the > > > > > graphics drivers are contributed and the X server makes use of it. > > > > > So, if XFree86 changes to this model, then I see potential... > > > > > > > > Chicken and egg problem... as far as I remember (I looked at it looong > > > > ago) they have a X server too... or at least they want to provide one. > > > > > > KGI provides a X server accelerated (PhoneiX) implementation not based on X. On > > > the other hand GGI (http://www.ggi-project.org), the user library going > > > with KGI does provide XFree86 (called XGGI) running) on top of the KGI > > > driver framework without its own drivers. > > > > Do I understand correctly that "without its own drivers" means that > > XFree86 doesn't have its own drivers and thus that the kernel driver > > is the hardware driver that's being used (though KGI)? > > You do. This isn't terribly useful when you want to do something non-trivial with the video hardware like 3D rendering. Designing a lovely console output mechanism which prevents high-performance 2D and 3D drivers in userland is pretty pointless. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arch" in the body of the message
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