From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 21 13:26:20 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 020471065672 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 2009 13:26:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rodrigo@bebik.net) Received: from smtpfb1-g21.free.fr (smtpfb1-g21.free.fr [212.27.42.9]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4B388FC14 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 2009 13:26:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp4-g21.free.fr (smtp4-g21.free.fr [212.27.42.4]) by smtpfb1-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E83C02E2F3 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 2009 15:08:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp4-g21.free.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp4-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2E334C810E for ; Mon, 21 Sep 2009 15:08:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hodja.bebik.net (hodja.bebik.net [82.235.223.127]) by smtp4-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 042674C80F2 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 2009 15:08:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: by hodja.bebik.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id BCA532847C; Mon, 21 Sep 2009 15:08:11 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 15:08:11 +0200 From: "Rodrigo OSORIO (ros)" To: advocacy@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090921130811.GA5344@hodja.bebik.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: Subject: EuroBSDCon 2009 pictures X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 13:26:20 -0000 Hi all, After this fantastic week-end in Cambridge (many thanks again for everything), it's time to publish the pictures. I didn't take the time to sort them, so this is for now, the full set of pictures I took. http://www.bebik.net/cgi-bin/album.pl?album=2009EuroBSDCon - rodrigo From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 22 18:53:03 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2BCF106568B for ; Tue, 22 Sep 2009 18:53:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from saifi.khan@datasynergy.org) Received: from s219.sureserver.com (s219.sureserver.com [203.194.200.31]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E822C8FC15 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 2009 18:53:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 19742 invoked by uid 1002); 22 Sep 2009 18:26:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?10.10.10.7?) (saifi.khan@datasynergy.org@59.92.136.57) by s219.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 22 Sep 2009 18:26:20 -0000 Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 23:54:11 +0530 (IST) From: Saifi Khan X-X-Sender: saifi@freebsd To: "Rodrigo OSORIO (ros)" In-Reply-To: <20090921130811.GA5344@hodja.bebik.net> Message-ID: References: <20090921130811.GA5344@hodja.bebik.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: EuroBSDCon 2009 pictures X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 18:53:03 -0000 On Mon, 21 Sep 2009, Rodrigo OSORIO (ros) wrote: > Hi all, > > After this fantastic week-end in Cambridge (many thanks again for everything), > it's time to publish the pictures. I didn't take the time to sort them, so > this is for now, the full set of pictures I took. > > http://www.bebik.net/cgi-bin/album.pl?album=2009EuroBSDCon > > - rodrigo > Hi Rodrigo: Thanks, the pictures are awesome. Did you write any blog/tweet about your experiences ? How was the interaction and enthusiasm level at the conference ? thanks Saifi. From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 22 21:46:58 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 449961065730 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 2009 21:46:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwatson@FreeBSD.org) Received: from cyrus.watson.org (cyrus.watson.org [65.122.17.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F92C8FC18 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 2009 21:46:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [65.122.17.41]) by cyrus.watson.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7A93446B2A; Tue, 22 Sep 2009 17:46:57 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 22:46:57 +0100 (BST) From: Robert Watson X-X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org To: Saifi Khan In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <20090921130811.GA5344@hodja.bebik.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: "Rodrigo OSORIO \(ros\)" , advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: EuroBSDCon 2009 pictures X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 21:46:58 -0000 On Tue, 22 Sep 2009, Saifi Khan wrote: > Thanks, the pictures are awesome. > > Did you write any blog/tweet about your experiences ? > > How was the interaction and enthusiasm level at the conference ? Probably in appropriate to generalize, but this was the largest ever FreeBSD developer summit in .EU (70 or so attendees), and EuroBSDCon came in around 180 attendees, which is up from last year (don't have precise numbers). Our conference dinner, sponsored by iXsystems, (photos of Clare college in the various collections) was sold out at 150 with a waiting list. We did have some trouble fund-raising for the conference, as a number of companies we approached reported that they currently had travel/conference freezes due to the economy. However, it being a poor economic year that didn't seem to prevent people from having a good time (although it likely did limit attendees from further way). Fairly soon, we should have slides, papers, and audio recordings of many of the sessions on the UKUUG web site, and it looks like the Karlsruhe folk are already warming up for EuroBSDCon 2010 :-). For those of us in the UK, I think this is a good moment to remind ourselves that there is a lot of BSD-related work, BSD-based companies, and BSD development in the UK (especially FreeBSD). I know I chatted with many other folk from the UK who all basically said "you know, we should do this more often", so perhaps this will trigger more regular UK-based BSD events! Robert N M Watson Computer Laboratory University of Cambridge From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 23 01:21:24 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A8C5106566B for ; Wed, 23 Sep 2009 01:21:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gedankezauberer@comcast.net) Received: from QMTA05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.48]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 163B18FC13 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 2009 01:21:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from OMTA06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.51]) by QMTA05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id jyMY1c00316AWCUA518FAU; Wed, 23 Sep 2009 01:08:15 +0000 Received: from zauberer.unix.freebsd.org ([76.112.93.25]) by OMTA06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id k18D1c0030Yq9Sc8S18EXr; Wed, 23 Sep 2009 01:08:14 +0000 Message-ID: <4AB973DA.6010707@comcast.net> Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 21:03:22 -0400 From: Allen User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081220) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: advocacy@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: FreeBSD (How vague can I get? ;) ) X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 01:21:24 -0000 Hi list, First, I want to say thank you. To anyone who's ever used FreeBSD, you've either loved it outright, or been in awe. How is it possible that something so complex as an OS can be done without cash to everyone doing it? Now think about this; How can this OS be so much better than one money can buy? I thought about this for a minute before sending this message, and figured why not? Those Credit Card commercials you see on TV always say "Something something, 5 dollars, something something 50 dollars, and something something 300 dollars, getting to do this; Priceless!" Well, let's try this with FreeBSD: A PC from 10 years ago your neighbor tossed in the trash because Vista won't even install on it let alone run slower than someone on a bicycle racing someone in a McLaren F1 because they were using Windows 98 on it and XP crawls on the thing: 0 Dollars A new bottom of the line PC with non onboard video card, but only 16 MBs of Video memory, and two monitors used: 50 dollars An Internet Connection you need anyway these days, about 150 dollars a year... An Epiphany that Microsoft's newest OS is going to cost almost 500 dollars and you can't afford it or the crap you'll be getting on your machine running it and finding FreeBSD, downloading it for free and getting a couple burnable CDs from a friend... PRICELESS! After almost 10 years, from the day I walked into Best Buy here in Michigan, and saw on the shelf Mandrake Linux 7.1 and "The FreeBSD PowerPak" with FreeBSD 4.0 + 6 CD toolkit, + "The Complete FreeBSD" 3.0 book for less than a hundred dollars, I've always been a fan of FreeBSD and how much power I got for so little. Some friends of mine make fun of me for paying for free software saying it's stupid to buy something and spend money on something I can get online, and I continue to buy FreeBSD stuff to help support whenever I can. My last order was over 500 dollars getting FreeBSD on CD-ROM, and a new version of "The Complete FreeBSD" book, The FreeBSD Handbook, and then the newer ones Vol1 and Vol2, and stickers for my Laptop and Desktops, and of course a FreeBSD mouse pad and label pin, and I'm glad I did. I also bought "20 Years of Berkeley Unix" on DVD, with MKM as the speaker. I can say proudly that my Wife thinks he's amazing and wants to go see him talk one day. From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 23 08:33:31 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B6D51065672 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 2009 08:33:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from saifi.khan@datasynergy.org) Received: from s219.sureserver.com (s219.sureserver.com [203.194.200.31]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 796418FC12 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 2009 08:33:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 14256 invoked by uid 1002); 23 Sep 2009 08:33:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?10.10.10.7?) (saifi.khan@datasynergy.org@59.92.172.116) by s219.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 23 Sep 2009 08:33:27 -0000 Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 13:59:59 +0530 (IST) From: Saifi Khan X-X-Sender: saifi@freebsd To: Robert Watson In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <20090921130811.GA5344@hodja.bebik.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: EuroBSDCon 2009 pictures X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 08:33:31 -0000 On Tue, 22 Sep 2009, Robert Watson wrote: > > On Tue, 22 Sep 2009, Saifi Khan wrote: > > > Thanks, the pictures are awesome. > > > > Did you write any blog/tweet about your experiences ? > > > > How was the interaction and enthusiasm level at the conference ? > > Probably in appropriate to generalize, but this was the largest ever FreeBSD > developer summit in .EU (70 or so attendees), and EuroBSDCon came in around > 180 attendees, which is up from last year (don't have precise numbers). Our > conference dinner, sponsored by iXsystems, (photos of Clare college in the > various collections) was sold out at 150 with a waiting list. > > We did have some trouble fund-raising for the conference, as a number of > companies we approached reported that they currently had travel/conference > freezes due to the economy. However, it being a poor economic year that > didn't seem to prevent people from having a good time (although it likely did > limit attendees from further way). > > Fairly soon, we should have slides, papers, and audio recordings of many of > the sessions on the UKUUG web site, and it looks like the Karlsruhe folk are > already warming up for EuroBSDCon 2010 :-). > > For those of us in the UK, I think this is a good moment to remind ourselves > that there is a lot of BSD-related work, BSD-based companies, and BSD > development in the UK (especially FreeBSD). I know I chatted with many other > folk from the UK who all basically said "you know, we should do this more > often", so perhaps this will trigger more regular UK-based BSD events! > Thanks Robert for the informative mail. Wondering if there is any group photo of FreeBSD dev, something along the lines of http://www.postgresql.org/files/community/conference06/conference_group.jpg Would you know ? Is the BSD-related work in UK, about new product development on BSD platform or a enterprise systems maintenance stuff ? Certainly more events will help promote *BSD, which is a good thing. thanks Saifi. From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 23 09:03:59 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89FD81065696 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 2009 09:03:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from saifi.khan@datasynergy.org) Received: from s219.sureserver.com (s219.sureserver.com [203.194.200.31]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 227678FC24 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 2009 09:03:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 19722 invoked by uid 1002); 23 Sep 2009 08:37:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?10.10.10.7?) (saifi.khan@datasynergy.org@59.92.172.116) by s219.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 23 Sep 2009 08:37:16 -0000 Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 14:04:43 +0530 (IST) From: Saifi Khan X-X-Sender: saifi@freebsd To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: FreeBSD positioning X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 09:04:01 -0000 Hi: How to position FreeBSD today (2009) among the crowd of Linux distros, OpenSolaris and the rest ? Appreciate if the more experienced *BSD geeks could share their knowledge and observations. thanks Saifi. From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 23 15:10:53 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E83B106566C for ; Wed, 23 Sep 2009 15:10:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwatson@FreeBSD.org) Received: from cyrus.watson.org (cyrus.watson.org [65.122.17.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 659E98FC08 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 2009 15:10:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [65.122.17.41]) by cyrus.watson.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EF02946B03; Wed, 23 Sep 2009 11:10:52 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 16:10:52 +0100 (BST) From: Robert Watson X-X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org To: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?= In-Reply-To: <863a6dn1k6.fsf@ds4.des.no> Message-ID: References: <20090921130811.GA5344@hodja.bebik.net> <863a6dn1k6.fsf@ds4.des.no> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="621616949-1432041096-1253718652=:93862" Cc: Saifi Khan , advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: EuroBSDCon 2009 pictures X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 15:10:53 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --621616949-1432041096-1253718652=:93862 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Wed, 23 Sep 2009, Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: > Saifi Khan writes: >> Wondering if there is any group photo of FreeBSD dev [...] > > You'd have to get all 350 of us in the same place at the same time... I had planned to do a devsummit group photo, but there was so much else going that it got left out. :-) Fortunately, we have lots and lots of photos of the Devsummit in other forms. Robert --621616949-1432041096-1253718652=:93862-- From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 23 15:24:29 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4271B1065676 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 2009 15:24:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (tim.des.no [194.63.250.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F22448FC1D for ; Wed, 23 Sep 2009 15:24:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ds4.des.no (des.no [84.49.246.2]) by smtp.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07F566D41B; Wed, 23 Sep 2009 15:06:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ds4.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id D2AA684482; Wed, 23 Sep 2009 17:06:01 +0200 (CEST) From: =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= To: Saifi Khan References: <20090921130811.GA5344@hodja.bebik.net> Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 17:06:01 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Saifi Khan's message of "Wed, 23 Sep 2009 13:59:59 +0530 (IST)") Message-ID: <863a6dn1k6.fsf@ds4.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.95 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: advocacy@freebsd.org, Robert Watson Subject: Re: EuroBSDCon 2009 pictures X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 15:24:29 -0000 Saifi Khan writes: > Wondering if there is any group photo of FreeBSD dev [...] You'd have to get all 350 of us in the same place at the same time... DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 23 16:02:14 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2BE7106566C for ; Wed, 23 Sep 2009 16:02:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from saifi.khan@datasynergy.org) Received: from s219.sureserver.com (s219.sureserver.com [203.194.200.31]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C7B08FC13 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 2009 16:02:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 23468 invoked by uid 1002); 23 Sep 2009 16:02:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?10.10.10.7?) (saifi.khan@datasynergy.org@59.92.172.116) by s219.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 23 Sep 2009 16:02:11 -0000 Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 21:28:04 +0530 (IST) From: Saifi Khan X-X-Sender: saifi@freebsd To: Allen In-Reply-To: <4AB973DA.6010707@comcast.net> Message-ID: References: <4AB973DA.6010707@comcast.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD (How vague can I get? ;) ) X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 16:02:14 -0000 On Tue, 22 Sep 2009, Allen wrote: > Hi list, > > First, I want to say thank you. To anyone who's ever used FreeBSD, you've > either loved it outright, or been in awe. How is it possible that something so > complex as an OS can be done without cash to everyone doing it? Now think > about this; How can this OS be so much better than one money can buy? > FreeBSD and *BSD needs some loving and your mail is a wonderful step in that direction. With the support of the community, anything is possible. > I thought about this for a minute before sending this message, and figured why > not? Those Credit Card commercials you see on TV always say "Something > something, 5 dollars, something something 50 dollars, and something something > 300 dollars, getting to do this; Priceless!" > iirc, that sounds like the Standard chartered credit card ad, here in India. > Well, let's try this with FreeBSD: > > A PC from 10 years ago your neighbor tossed in the trash because Vista won't > even install on it let alone run slower than someone on a bicycle racing > someone in a McLaren F1 because they were using Windows 98 on it and XP > crawls on the thing: > > 0 Dollars > > A new bottom of the line PC with non onboard video card, but only 16 MBs of > Video memory, and two monitors used: > > 50 dollars > > An Internet Connection you need anyway these days, about 150 dollars a year... > > An Epiphany that Microsoft's newest OS is going to cost almost 500 dollars and > you can't afford it or the crap you'll be getting on your machine running it > and finding FreeBSD, downloading it for free and getting a couple burnable CDs > from a friend... PRICELESS! > > After almost 10 years, from the day I walked into Best Buy here in Michigan, > and saw on the shelf Mandrake Linux 7.1 and "The FreeBSD PowerPak" with > FreeBSD 4.0 + 6 CD toolkit, + "The Complete FreeBSD" 3.0 book for less than a > hundred dollars, I've always been a fan of FreeBSD and how much power I got > for so little. > > Some friends of mine make fun of me for paying for free software saying it's > stupid to buy something and spend money on something I can get online, and I > continue to buy FreeBSD stuff to help support whenever I can. My last order > was over 500 dollars getting FreeBSD on CD-ROM, and a new version of "The > Complete FreeBSD" book, The FreeBSD Handbook, and then the newer ones Vol1 and > Vol2, and stickers for my Laptop and Desktops, and of course a FreeBSD mouse > pad and label pin, and I'm glad I did. > > I also bought "20 Years of Berkeley Unix" on DVD, with MKM as the speaker. I > can say proudly that my Wife thinks he's amazing and wants to go see him talk > one day. > Wow, unbelievable ! That reads like a teenager's adoration for a rock star ;-) i'd go for Def Leppard. How do you see the *BSD community evolving today ? Is there something that can be done better that makes *BSD capture more mindshare ? i'm a newbie and thank you for your time in advance. thanks Saifi. From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 23 16:14:58 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E43B106568B for ; Wed, 23 Sep 2009 16:14:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from saifi.khan@datasynergy.org) Received: from s219.sureserver.com (s219.sureserver.com [203.194.200.31]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CF898FC21 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 2009 16:14:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 2877 invoked by uid 1002); 23 Sep 2009 16:14:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?10.10.10.7?) (saifi.khan@datasynergy.org@59.92.172.116) by s219.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 23 Sep 2009 16:14:55 -0000 Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 21:42:56 +0530 (IST) From: Saifi Khan X-X-Sender: saifi@freebsd To: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?= In-Reply-To: <863a6dn1k6.fsf@ds4.des.no> Message-ID: References: <20090921130811.GA5344@hodja.bebik.net> <863a6dn1k6.fsf@ds4.des.no> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: EuroBSDCon 2009 pictures X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 16:14:58 -0000 On Wed, 23 Sep 2009, Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav wrote: > Saifi Khan writes: > > Wondering if there is any group photo of FreeBSD dev [...] > > You'd have to get all 350 of us in the same place at the same time... > > DES > -- > Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav - des@des.no > In that case it may be a good idea to start with some group photo and then create a collage of photos that capture as many folks as possible. You may have see photovisi.com photomix.com i'm sure it would be fun if the *BSD community pools in and would also help folks warm up ;-) thanks Saifi. From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 23 17:09:19 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC8D91065676 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 2009 17:09:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (tim.des.no [194.63.250.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FD9D8FC14 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 2009 17:09:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ds4.des.no (des.no [84.49.246.2]) by smtp.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9734B6D41B; Wed, 23 Sep 2009 17:09:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ds4.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 3D06A844A4; Wed, 23 Sep 2009 19:09:18 +0200 (CEST) From: =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= To: Saifi Khan References: <4AB973DA.6010707@comcast.net> Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 19:09:18 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Saifi Khan's message of "Wed, 23 Sep 2009 21:28:04 +0530 (IST)") Message-ID: <86y6o5lha9.fsf@ds4.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.95 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Allen , advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD (How vague can I get? ;) ) X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 17:09:19 -0000 Saifi Khan writes: > Allen writes: > > I thought about this for a minute before sending this message, and > > figured why not? Those Credit Card commercials you see on TV always > > say "Something something, 5 dollars, something something 50 dollars, > > and something something 300 dollars, getting to do this; Priceless!" > iirc, that sounds like the Standard chartered credit card ad, here in > India. It's a series of MasterCard ads. "Some things in life are free. For everything else, there's MasterCard." DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 24 15:57:31 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8CA51065670 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 2009 15:57:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from saifi.khan@datasynergy.org) Received: from s219.sureserver.com (s219.sureserver.com [203.194.200.31]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52DD68FC15 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 2009 15:57:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 24188 invoked by uid 1002); 24 Sep 2009 15:57:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?10.10.10.7?) (saifi.khan@datasynergy.org@59.92.139.9) by s219.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 24 Sep 2009 15:57:27 -0000 Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 21:15:43 +0530 (IST) From: Saifi Khan X-X-Sender: saifi@freebsd To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: why no Oracle on FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 15:57:31 -0000 Hi: This is a newbie query. i noticed that there is no Oracle available for FreeBSD http://www.oracle.com/technology/software/products/database/index.html What could be the reason for that ? thanks Saifi. From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 24 17:12:11 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB65C1065704 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 2009 17:12:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from tower.berklix.org (tower.berklix.org [83.236.223.114]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 546D78FC17 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 2009 17:12:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from park.js.berklix.net (p549A54C7.dip.t-dialin.net [84.154.84.199]) (authenticated bits=0) by tower.berklix.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n8OGipgI056292; Thu, 24 Sep 2009 16:44:52 GMT (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by park.js.berklix.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n8OGiffV075170; Thu, 24 Sep 2009 18:44:41 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n8OGknoY098643; Thu, 24 Sep 2009 18:46:54 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@fire.js.berklix.net) Message-Id: <200909241646.n8OGknoY098643@fire.js.berklix.net> To: Saifi Khan From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://www.berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultancy, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://www.berklix.com/free/ X-URL: http://www.berklix.com In-reply-to: Your message "Thu, 24 Sep 2009 21:15:43 +0530." Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 18:46:49 +0200 Sender: jhs@berklix.com Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: why no Oracle on FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 17:12:11 -0000 Saifi Khan wrote: > Hi: > > This is a newbie query. > > i noticed that there is no Oracle available for FreeBSD > http://www.oracle.com/technology/software/products/database/index.html > > What could be the reason for that ? Best ask direct of commercial application vendor Oracle. IE wave money under Oracle's nose & ask to purchase what you want. If Oracle think there's enough profit in it, there's many BSD consultants eg http://berklix.com/consultants/ willing to work. Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey: BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Mail ASCII plain text not HTML & Base64. http://asciiribbon.org Virused Microsoft PCs cause spam. http://berklix.com/free/ From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 24 17:18:49 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F1A21065670 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 2009 17:18:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from saifi.khan@datasynergy.org) Received: from s219.sureserver.com (s219.sureserver.com [203.194.200.31]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F3228FC19 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 2009 17:18:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 5529 invoked by uid 1002); 24 Sep 2009 17:18:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?10.10.10.7?) (saifi.khan@datasynergy.org@59.92.139.9) by s219.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 24 Sep 2009 17:18:46 -0000 Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 22:46:45 +0530 (IST) From: Saifi Khan X-X-Sender: saifi@freebsd To: "Julian H. Stacey" In-Reply-To: <200909241646.n8OGknoY098643@fire.js.berklix.net> Message-ID: References: <200909241646.n8OGknoY098643@fire.js.berklix.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: why no Oracle on FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 17:18:49 -0000 On Thu, 24 Sep 2009, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > Saifi Khan wrote: > > Hi: > > > > This is a newbie query. > > > > i noticed that there is no Oracle available for FreeBSD > > http://www.oracle.com/technology/software/products/database/index.html > > > > What could be the reason for that ? > > Best ask direct of commercial application vendor Oracle. > IE wave money under Oracle's nose & ask to purchase what you want. > > If Oracle think there's enough profit in it, there's many BSD > consultants eg http://berklix.com/consultants/ willing to work. > > Cheers, > Julian > -- i was wondering if there is any technical reason behind this ? thanks Saifi. From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 24 17:33:55 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 219CA1065692 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 2009 17:33:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from tower.berklix.org (tower.berklix.org [83.236.223.114]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 562768FC0C for ; Thu, 24 Sep 2009 17:33:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from park.js.berklix.net (p549A39EC.dip.t-dialin.net [84.154.57.236]) (authenticated bits=0) by tower.berklix.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n8OHXaS1056975; Thu, 24 Sep 2009 17:33:38 GMT (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by park.js.berklix.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n8OHXDWA075483; Thu, 24 Sep 2009 19:33:26 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n8OHZMVM099476; Thu, 24 Sep 2009 19:35:27 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@fire.js.berklix.net) Message-Id: <200909241735.n8OHZMVM099476@fire.js.berklix.net> To: Saifi Khan From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://www.berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultancy, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://www.berklix.com/free/ X-URL: http://www.berklix.com In-reply-to: Your message "Thu, 24 Sep 2009 22:46:45 +0530." Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 19:35:22 +0200 Sender: jhs@berklix.com Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: why no Oracle on FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 17:33:55 -0000 > > > i noticed that there is no Oracle available for FreeBSD > > > http://www.oracle.com/technology/software/products/database/index.html > > > > > > What could be the reason for that ? > > > > Best ask direct of commercial application vendor Oracle. > > IE wave money under Oracle's nose & ask to purchase what you want. > > > > If Oracle think there's enough profit in it, there's many BSD > > consultants eg http://berklix.com/consultants/ willing to work. > > > > Cheers, > > Julian > > -- > > i was wondering if there is any technical reason behind this ? Most unlikely. Ask Oracle & tell advocacy@ what you find out. I'd bet perceived market share & demand as ever, ie Money. Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey: BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Mail ASCII plain text not HTML & Base64. http://asciiribbon.org Virused Microsoft PCs cause spam. http://berklix.com/free/ From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 25 03:01:51 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50BA6106568D for ; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 03:01:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from ezekiel.daleco.biz (southernuniform.com [66.76.92.18]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0B548FC0A for ; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 03:01:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ezekiel.daleco.biz (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n8P2fDsk054693; Thu, 24 Sep 2009 21:41:13 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at daleco.biz Received: from ezekiel.daleco.biz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ezekiel.daleco.biz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id B-JMWbyRDfQY; Thu, 24 Sep 2009 21:40:56 -0500 (CDT) Received: from archangel.daleco.biz (ezekiel.daleco.biz [66.76.92.18]) by ezekiel.daleco.biz (8.14.3/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n8P2ehpe054688; Thu, 24 Sep 2009 21:40:44 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Message-ID: <4ABC2DAB.8010903@daleco.biz> Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 21:40:43 -0500 From: Kevin Kinsey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.8.1.22) Gecko/20090716 SeaMonkey/1.1.17 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?= References: <4AB973DA.6010707@comcast.net> <86y6o5lha9.fsf@ds4.des.no> In-Reply-To: <86y6o5lha9.fsf@ds4.des.no> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Saifi Khan , advocacy@freebsd.org, Allen Subject: Re: FreeBSD (How vague can I get? ;) ) X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 03:01:51 -0000 Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: > Saifi Khan writes: >> Allen writes: >>> I thought about this for a minute before sending this message, and >>> figured why not? Those Credit Card commercials you see on TV always >>> say "Something something, 5 dollars, something something 50 dollars, >>> and something something 300 dollars, getting to do this; Priceless!" >> iirc, that sounds like the Standard chartered credit card ad, here in >> India. > > It's a series of MasterCard ads. > > "Some things in life are free. For everything else, there's MasterCard." > > DES Hmm, makes me wonder. Would we get sued for this? "Doing a couple things with computers requires {proprietary software}. For the rest, there's FreeBSD!!!" Kevin Kinsey P.S. "Paddle faster, honey, I'm trolling in shallower water now!" -- Real computer scientists don't comment their code. The identifiers are so long they can't afford the disk space. From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 25 03:30:42 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44027106566B for ; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 03:30:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gedankezauberer@comcast.net) Received: from QMTA07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.64]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CC408FC14 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 03:30:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from OMTA06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.51]) by QMTA07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id krK51c00B16AWCUA7rWict; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 03:30:42 +0000 Received: from zauberer.unix.freebsd.org ([76.112.93.25]) by OMTA06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id krWh1c0020Yq9Sc8SrWhXN; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 03:30:42 +0000 Message-ID: <4ABC3842.4010103@comcast.net> Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 23:25:54 -0400 From: Allen User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081220) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: advocacy@freebsd.org References: <4AB973DA.6010707@comcast.net> <86y6o5lha9.fsf@ds4.des.no> <4ABC2DAB.8010903@daleco.biz> In-Reply-To: <4ABC2DAB.8010903@daleco.biz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Subject: Re: FreeBSD (How vague can I get? ;) ) X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 03:30:42 -0000 Kevin Kinsey wrote: > Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: >> Saifi Khan writes: >>> Allen writes: >>>> I thought about this for a minute before sending this message, and >>>> figured why not? Those Credit Card commercials you see on TV always >>>> say "Something something, 5 dollars, something something 50 dollars, >>>> and something something 300 dollars, getting to do this; Priceless!" >>> iirc, that sounds like the Standard chartered credit card ad, here in >>> India. >> >> It's a series of MasterCard ads. >> >> "Some things in life are free. For everything else, there's MasterCard." >> >> DES > > Hmm, makes me wonder. Would we get sued for this? > > "Doing a couple things with computers requires {proprietary software}. > For the rest, there's FreeBSD!!!" > > Kevin Kinsey > > P.S. "Paddle faster, honey, I'm trolling in shallower water now!" You can't get sued for it ;) The US has a law here that states a parody of something isn't a rip off. which I think was one of the better laws made. That's how Dennis Leary got away with the "Peanuts and Charlie Brown" thing he did without permission since it was a parody. Besides, Visa probably runs BSD on their servers anyway lol. Someone said something or other about me and FreeBSD as a rockstar and said Def Leopard. I don't agree, I think FreeBSD would be more suited with Cannibal Corpse or Slayer, it's way fast ;) From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 25 10:26:29 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46016106566B for ; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 10:26:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (tim.des.no [194.63.250.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 087F28FC0A for ; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 10:26:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ds4.des.no (des.no [84.49.246.2]) by smtp.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D5166D41B; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 10:26:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ds4.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 04D00844B4; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 12:26:28 +0200 (CEST) From: =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= To: Allen References: <4AB973DA.6010707@comcast.net> <86y6o5lha9.fsf@ds4.des.no> <4ABC2DAB.8010903@daleco.biz> <4ABC3842.4010103@comcast.net> Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 12:26:27 +0200 In-Reply-To: <4ABC3842.4010103@comcast.net> (Allen's message of "Thu, 24 Sep 2009 23:25:54 -0400") Message-ID: <867hvnpbfw.fsf@ds4.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.95 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD (How vague can I get? ;) ) X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 10:26:29 -0000 Allen writes: > You can't get sued for it ;) The US has a law here that states a > parody of something isn't a rip off. There is no such law, only legal practice, and the US is only a small part of the world. > Besides, Visa probably runs BSD on their servers anyway lol. VISA !=3D MasterCard DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 25 12:30:45 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FAEB1065693 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 12:30:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from saifi.khan@datasynergy.org) Received: from s219.sureserver.com (s219.sureserver.com [203.194.200.31]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACCC38FC1C for ; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 12:30:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 29198 invoked by uid 1002); 25 Sep 2009 12:30:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?10.10.10.9?) (saifi.khan@datasynergy.org@59.92.140.67) by s219.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 25 Sep 2009 12:30:41 -0000 Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 17:58:18 +0530 (IST) From: Saifi Khan X-X-Sender: saifi@freebsd To: "Julian H. Stacey" In-Reply-To: <200909241735.n8OHZMVM099476@fire.js.berklix.net> Message-ID: References: <200909241735.n8OHZMVM099476@fire.js.berklix.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: why no Oracle on FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 12:30:45 -0000 On Thu, 24 Sep 2009, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > > > > i noticed that there is no Oracle available for FreeBSD > > > > http://www.oracle.com/technology/software/products/database/index.html > > > > > > > > What could be the reason for that ? > > > > > > Best ask direct of commercial application vendor Oracle. > > > IE wave money under Oracle's nose & ask to purchase what you want. > > > > > > If Oracle think there's enough profit in it, there's many BSD > > > consultants eg http://berklix.com/consultants/ willing to work. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Julian > > > -- > > > > i was wondering if there is any technical reason behind this ? > > Most unlikely. Ask Oracle & tell advocacy@ what you find out. > I'd bet perceived market share & demand as ever, ie Money. > Hi Julian: Here is the response on the Oracle forum thread to my posting, """ FreeBSD is a kernel not used in any extant operating system with the sole exception being Apple's Mac OSX so you are heading, full speed ahead, toward disappointment. FreeBSD handles many things very differently from the UNIX System 5 standard so you can not just kludge your way into this. What fascinates me about your request is why you care. FreeBSD is going nowhere at a staggeringly fast pace. And to the same place as went Oracle Database version 8.0. Obscurity. Install Oracle's Enterprise Linux and you will have a real operating system in less time than you've spent monitoring this thead. And as an additional value it will support the Oracle technology stack while you are still young enough to use it. """ and """ IF you can match up the system calls, then you can 'make it work'. """ The relevant links are 1. http://forums.oracle.com/forums/thread.jspa?threadID=952076&tstart=0 2. http://forums.oracle.com/forums/thread.jspa?threadID=952076&tstart=0 The response seems to suggest that there is some feature used by Oracle which is expected from a UNIX Sys 5 std and perhaps FreeBSD does not support/have the syscall. Given the response, What is your analysis of the situation ? thanks Saifi. From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 25 12:36:12 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CC5A106566B for ; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 12:36:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (tim.des.no [194.63.250.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 396FB8FC13 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 12:36:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ds4.des.no (des.no [84.49.246.2]) by smtp.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 083D16D41C; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 12:36:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ds4.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id BAFA2844B4; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 14:36:10 +0200 (CEST) From: =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= To: Saifi Khan References: <200909241735.n8OHZMVM099476@fire.js.berklix.net> Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 14:36:10 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Saifi Khan's message of "Fri, 25 Sep 2009 17:58:18 +0530 (IST)") Message-ID: <86my4jnqv9.fsf@ds4.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.95 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, "Julian H. Stacey" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: why no Oracle on FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 12:36:12 -0000 Saifi Khan writes: > The response seems to suggest [...] ...nothing except that whoever wrote it has absolutely no idea what they're talking about. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 25 13:02:04 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40FE9106566B for ; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 13:02:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@ibctech.ca) Received: from smtp.ibctech.ca (v6.ibctech.ca [IPv6:2607:f118::b6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AFF168FC1C for ; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 13:02:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 69538 invoked by uid 89); 25 Sep 2009 13:02:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?IPv6:2607:f118::5?) (steve@ibctech.ca@2607:f118::5) by 2607:f118::b6 with ESMTPA; 25 Sep 2009 13:02:36 -0000 Message-ID: <4ABCBF61.20205@ibctech.ca> Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 09:02:25 -0400 From: Steve Bertrand User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Saifi Khan References: <200909241735.n8OHZMVM099476@fire.js.berklix.net> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms040808030408050306060109" Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, "Julian H. Stacey" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: why no Oracle on FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 13:02:04 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms040808030408050306060109 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Saifi Khan wrote: > On Thu, 24 Sep 2009, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > >>>>> i noticed that there is no Oracle available for FreeBSD >>>>> http://www.oracle.com/technology/software/products/database/index.html >>>>> >>>>> What could be the reason for that ? >>>> Best ask direct of commercial application vendor Oracle. >>>> IE wave money under Oracle's nose & ask to purchase what you want. >>>> >>>> If Oracle think there's enough profit in it, there's many BSD >>>> consultants eg http://berklix.com/consultants/ willing to work. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Julian >>>> -- >>> i was wondering if there is any technical reason behind this ? >> Most unlikely. Ask Oracle & tell advocacy@ what you find out. >> I'd bet perceived market share & demand as ever, ie Money. >> > > Hi Julian: > > Here is the response on the Oracle forum thread to my posting, > > > """ > FreeBSD is a kernel not used in any extant operating system with > the sole exception being Apple's Mac OSX so you are heading, > full speed ahead, toward disappointment. FreeBSD handles many > things very differently from the UNIX System 5 standard so you > can not just kludge your way into this. > > What fascinates me about your request is why you care. FreeBSD > is going nowhere at a staggeringly fast pace. And to the same > place as went Oracle Database version 8.0. Obscurity. > > Install Oracle's Enterprise Linux and you will have a real > operating system in less time than you've spent monitoring this > thead. And as an additional value it will support the Oracle > technology stack while you are still young enough to use it. > """ > > and > """ > IF you can match up the system calls, then you can 'make it > work'. > """ > > The relevant links are > 1. http://forums.oracle.com/forums/thread.jspa?threadID=952076&tstart=0 > 2. http://forums.oracle.com/forums/thread.jspa?threadID=952076&tstart=0 > > The response seems to suggest that there is some feature used by > Oracle which is expected from a UNIX Sys 5 std and perhaps > FreeBSD does not support/have the syscall. > > Given the response, What is your analysis of the situation ? That whoever wrote that post is very closed minded, has no problem condemning something prior to investigation, and perhaps wears a pair of glasses that only come in one shade. It makes me very proud to be a member of this great community, where the attitude is more 'get the job done with whatever tool suits the task', as opposed to 'if you don't use this, then forget it'. I completely and utterly disagree with the claims made in that post. I've been using FreeBSD for nearly 10 years, and I vouch for the fact that FreeBSD has made huge strides during that time. Not only is the OS mature, but so are the people who write it, maintain it, and advocate it. Was about to add 'defend it' to the last sentence there, but it's not even necessary. FreeBSD's track record, and the fact that it's used in the most critical of infrastructures proves that FreeBSD merrily holds it's own water, without a word ever needing to be spoken. 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Fri, 25 Sep 2009 05:41:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <200909241735.n8OHZMVM099476@fire.js.berklix.net> Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 13:41:11 +0100 Message-ID: From: krad To: Saifi Khan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, "Julian H. Stacey" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: why no Oracle on FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 13:08:02 -0000 2009/9/25 Saifi Khan > On Thu, 24 Sep 2009, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > > > > > > i noticed that there is no Oracle available for FreeBSD > > > > > > http://www.oracle.com/technology/software/products/database/index.html > > > > > > > > > > What could be the reason for that ? > > > > > > > > Best ask direct of commercial application vendor Oracle. > > > > IE wave money under Oracle's nose & ask to purchase what you want. > > > > > > > > If Oracle think there's enough profit in it, there's many BSD > > > > consultants eg http://berklix.com/consultants/ willing to work. > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Julian > > > > -- > > > > > > i was wondering if there is any technical reason behind this ? > > > > Most unlikely. Ask Oracle & tell advocacy@ what you find out. > > I'd bet perceived market share & demand as ever, ie Money. > > > > Hi Julian: > > Here is the response on the Oracle forum thread to my posting, > > > """ > FreeBSD is a kernel not used in any extant operating system with > the sole exception being Apple's Mac OSX so you are heading, > full speed ahead, toward disappointment. FreeBSD handles many > things very differently from the UNIX System 5 standard so you > can not just kludge your way into this. > > What fascinates me about your request is why you care. FreeBSD > is going nowhere at a staggeringly fast pace. And to the same > place as went Oracle Database version 8.0. Obscurity. > > Install Oracle's Enterprise Linux and you will have a real > operating system in less time than you've spent monitoring this > thead. And as an additional value it will support the Oracle > technology stack while you are still young enough to use it. > """ > > and > """ > IF you can match up the system calls, then you can 'make it > work'. > """ > > The relevant links are > 1. http://forums.oracle.com/forums/thread.jspa?threadID=952076&tstart=0 > 2. http://forums.oracle.com/forums/thread.jspa?threadID=952076&tstart=0 > > The response seems to suggest that there is some feature used by > Oracle which is expected from a UNIX Sys 5 std and perhaps > FreeBSD does not support/have the syscall. > > Given the response, What is your analysis of the situation ? > > > thanks > Saifi. > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > I have seen a guide on howto get oracle to run on bsd, it did use linux compatibility though. I have to say though the reality of the situation is you are probably best running oracle on solaris with a zfs fs underneath it. Forget the wrongs and rights and what should bes, the reality is you will find everything easier from a comercial support point of view with that combination. From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 25 13:43:55 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 096F91065676 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 13:43:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from tower.berklix.org (tower.berklix.org [83.236.223.114]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04F1B8FC12 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 13:43:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from park.js.berklix.net (p549A6ACB.dip.t-dialin.net [84.154.106.203]) (authenticated bits=0) by tower.berklix.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n8PDhR7h078911; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 13:43:32 GMT (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by park.js.berklix.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n8PDhMBn081628; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 15:43:22 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n8PDjSUM019919; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 15:45:33 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@fire.js.berklix.net) Message-Id: <200909251345.n8PDjSUM019919@fire.js.berklix.net> To: Saifi Khan From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://www.berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultancy, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://www.berklix.com/free/ X-URL: http://www.berklix.com In-reply-to: Your message "Fri, 25 Sep 2009 17:58:18 +0530." Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 15:45:28 +0200 Sender: jhs@berklix.com Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: why no Oracle on FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 13:43:55 -0000 > > Most unlikely. Ask Oracle & tell advocacy@ what you find out. > > I'd bet perceived market share & demand as ever, ie Money. > > Hi Julian: > > Here is the response on the Oracle forum thread to my posting, > > """ > FreeBSD is a kernel not used in any extant operating system with > the sole exception being Apple's Mac OSX so you are heading, ... > Given the response, What is your analysis of the situation ? Hi Saifi, I wrote: > > Best ask direct of commercial application vendor Oracle. > > IE wave money under Oracle's nose & ask to purchase what you want. I meant contact Oracle Inc _Direct_ & ask to purchase licenses for BSD. Not ask a forum of users including the clueless Oracle user you quoted. If you only want to buy a few licenses. Oracle probably won't be interested (unless you convince them you'r a path finder for more purchasers to come); ... but on top of Krad's Solaris approach, if you wanted to try out Oracle, as well as native, you might perhaps try it on a linux or opensolaris within eg FreeBSD/branches/-current/ports/emulators/virtualbox/ (if you try it & get stuck there's an emulators@freebsd list). Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey: BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Mail ASCII plain text not HTML & Base64. http://asciiribbon.org Virused Microsoft PCs cause spam. http://berklix.com/free/ From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 25 14:28:21 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 420871065679; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 14:28:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from telmnstr@757.org) Received: from users.757.org (users.757.org [IPv6:2001:470:e048::20]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA46D8FC1B; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 14:28:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: by users.757.org (Postfix, from userid 1123) id 2B048AB1C; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 10:28:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by users.757.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A186AB1A; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 10:28:20 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 10:28:20 -0400 (EDT) From: telmnstr@757.org In-Reply-To: <4ABCBF61.20205@ibctech.ca> Message-ID: References: <200909241735.n8OHZMVM099476@fire.js.berklix.net> <4ABCBF61.20205@ibctech.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: why no Oracle on FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 14:28:21 -0000 > That whoever wrote that post is very closed minded, has no problem > condemning something prior to investigation, and perhaps wears a pair of > glasses that only come in one shade. Oracle is an expensive business application that is expected to be VERY reliable. It's expected to have a high end support infrastructure behind it. This is why they limit the number of operating systems to a very specific few, that are backed by companies with a reputation. I'm not vouching for them, but most businesses aren't looking to plunk down $50,000 or $100,000 for a database product for their mission critical application, and run it on something that lacks a commercial support infrastructure behind it. RedHat is the only reason linux has gotten as far as it has in the heavy business and gov't world. > I completely and utterly disagree with the claims made in that post. > I've been using FreeBSD for nearly 10 years, and I vouch for the fact > that FreeBSD has made huge strides during that time. Not only is the OS > mature, but so are the people who write it, maintain it, and advocate it. While it has, it's still lagging. I can't even get a decent shell from the FreeBSD install CD or boot CD. If the installer fails at getting the first package, after you re-enter the information to try again, it seems to pick up on package #2, skipping the first, which is probably the kernel. I took a hiatus(sp) from FreeBSD and when I came back after spending a bunch of time in the Linux world, I noticed some pretty sore things. I'm not hating on BSD, I'm still kind of meh about Linux, but I can see why companies do what they do. A small firm webhosting stuff with MySQL is one thing. Large corporations running mission critical databases is another. I assume Oracle goes through heavy lengths to certify their product on the few OSes they officially support. Probably Solaris, Redhat and their own Linux distro. This is a huge deal to them. Think of it as an appliance. If you hate Linux, help Solaris. Run your oracle on your Solaris system, and hit it from your FreeBSD system. I'd be willing to bet there is little to no commercial demand for Oracle on FreeBSD. Heck, look at all the SGI went through with Oracle, and the rumors were that Oracle ran faster than any other platform on IRIX for a while. Oracle wouldn't release it, maybe becuase Ellison and McNealy are BFF or something. From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 25 15:08:00 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05AC21065670 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 15:08:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from andrewlylegould@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f227.google.com (mail-bw0-f227.google.com [209.85.218.227]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 796938FC0C for ; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 15:07:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz27 with SMTP id 27so1995783bwz.43 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 08:07:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=rS4g0KI6pIUOH1sPMJSdKRG/NI5eDWdssz5QWcg4TmE=; b=H9zysuwro5Kps/1qQvHuhWAkpv/27XQIPB9q5sGTva+anV9G5shULE/3glNGbpI5oe OrP2B2+kh69WrkagTWd88sPEACfBGAPHyS67rUzGOI7YXmUZGIHLFnrLJOJYqZIqAF1v tQnrS0XDiLDRNjzwdPqGLJd2gU8DB9PgICUSA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=QRyrBdiZ4WT1B5zV8cjJAZSv8qLlhShuk2pXDGgaEwGPcXyoTwcR9DPTp+4pfL0fUl 1Qc/fumr7eDgixfVC7upaV/paiueAVeXuHxQLSKdCLu/bfEXbisgEvoCFQ3cZrDkpHLt 37qMcBmjqYL2c88WboAzfSS6K1xVTri4X//bQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.15.86 with SMTP id j22mr81846faa.47.1253889542117; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 07:39:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <200909241735.n8OHZMVM099476@fire.js.berklix.net> <4ABCBF61.20205@ibctech.ca> Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 09:39:02 -0500 Message-ID: From: Andrew Gould To: telmnstr@757.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: why no Oracle on FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 15:08:00 -0000 On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 9:28 AM, wrote: > >> That whoever wrote that post is very closed minded, has no problem >> condemning something prior to investigation, and perhaps wears a pair of >> glasses that only come in one shade. > > Oracle is an expensive business application that is expected to be VERY > reliable. It's expected to have a high end support infrastructure behind it. > > This is why they limit the number of operating systems to a very specific > few, that are backed by companies with a reputation. I'm not vouching for > them, but most businesses aren't looking to plunk down $50,000 or $100,000 > for a database product for their mission critical application, and run it on > something that lacks a commercial support infrastructure behind it. > > RedHat is the only reason linux has gotten as far as it has in the heavy > business and gov't world. > >> I completely and utterly disagree with the claims made in that post. >> I've been using FreeBSD for nearly 10 years, and I vouch for the fact >> that FreeBSD has made huge strides during that time. Not only is the OS >> mature, but so are the people who write it, maintain it, and advocate it. > > While it has, it's still lagging. I can't even get a decent shell from the > FreeBSD install CD or boot CD. If the installer fails at getting the first > package, after you re-enter the information to try again, it seems to pick > up on package #2, skipping the first, which is probably the kernel. I took a > hiatus(sp) from FreeBSD and when I came back after spending a bunch of time > in the Linux world, I noticed some pretty sore things. > > I'm not hating on BSD, I'm still kind of meh about Linux, but I can see why > companies do what they do. A small firm webhosting stuff with MySQL is one > thing. Large corporations running mission critical databases is another. > > I assume Oracle goes through heavy lengths to certify their product on the > few OSes they officially support. Probably Solaris, Redhat and their own > Linux distro. This is a huge deal to them. > > Think of it as an appliance. If you hate Linux, help Solaris. Run your > oracle on your Solaris system, and hit it from your FreeBSD system. > > I'd be willing to bet there is little to no commercial demand for Oracle on > FreeBSD. Heck, look at all the SGI went through with Oracle, and the rumors > were that Oracle ran faster than any other platform on IRIX for a while. > Oracle wouldn't release it, maybe becuase Ellison and McNealy are BFF or > something. > ...and this, of course, brings us to the purchase of Sun Microsystems by Oracle. Expect Oracle to put a lot of emphasis on Solaris in the future. From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 25 15:43:15 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49992106566C for ; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 15:43:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gedankezauberer@comcast.net) Received: from QMTA04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.40]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3206B8FC0A for ; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 15:43:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from OMTA15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.71]) by QMTA04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id l0o31c0051Y3wxoA43jFbq; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 15:43:15 +0000 Received: from zauberer.unix.freebsd.org ([76.112.93.25]) by OMTA15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id l3jD1c0090Yq9Sc8b3jEbT; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 15:43:15 +0000 Message-ID: <4ABCE3F3.2010008@comcast.net> Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 11:38:27 -0400 From: Allen User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081220) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: advocacy@freebsd.org References: <4AB973DA.6010707@comcast.net> <86y6o5lha9.fsf@ds4.des.no> <4ABC2DAB.8010903@daleco.biz> <4ABC3842.4010103@comcast.net> <867hvnpbfw.fsf@ds4.des.no> In-Reply-To: <867hvnpbfw.fsf@ds4.des.no> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Subject: Re: FreeBSD (How vague can I get? ;) ) X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 15:43:15 -0000 Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: > Allen writes: >> You can't get sued for it ;) The US has a law here that states a >> parody of something isn't a rip off. > > There is no such law, only legal practice, and the US is only a small > part of the world. Yes, but BSD was started in California, and making a parody shouldn't be a problem. I'm pretty sure commercials seen here show up in other parts of the world, I'm not one of those people who thinks there is only one law all over the World. I live right near another country and go there often. >> Besides, Visa probably runs BSD on their servers anyway lol. > > VISA != MasterCard Yea sorry about that it was a typo. I was kind of exhausted when I typed that as it probably shows in how I typed, I hadn't slept well. I'm pretty sure they use BSD too ;) > DES -Allen PS; Your initials are neat, DES, like the encryption, that's awesome heh :) From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 25 15:56:16 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB96B106566C for ; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 15:56:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (tim.des.no [194.63.250.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CE7E8FC0A for ; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 15:56:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ds4.des.no (des.no [84.49.246.2]) by smtp.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9B4D6D41B; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 15:56:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ds4.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 711CA844B4; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 17:56:14 +0200 (CEST) From: =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= To: Allen References: <4AB973DA.6010707@comcast.net> <86y6o5lha9.fsf@ds4.des.no> <4ABC2DAB.8010903@daleco.biz> <4ABC3842.4010103@comcast.net> <867hvnpbfw.fsf@ds4.des.no> <4ABCE3F3.2010008@comcast.net> Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 17:56:14 +0200 In-Reply-To: <4ABCE3F3.2010008@comcast.net> (Allen's message of "Fri, 25 Sep 2009 11:38:27 -0400") Message-ID: <86y6o3m31d.fsf@ds4.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.95 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD (How vague can I get? ;) ) X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 15:56:16 -0000 Allen writes: > Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav wrote: > > Allen writes: > > > You can't get sued for it ;) The US has a law here that states a > > > parody of something isn't a rip off. > > There is no such law, only legal practice, and the US is only a > > small part of the world. > Yes, but BSD was started in California, and making a parody shouldn't > be a problem. If only life were so simple. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 25 18:33:09 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B58621065670 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 18:33:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-116.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-116.bluehost.com [69.89.22.16]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 83E618FC22 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 18:33:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 4434 invoked by uid 0); 25 Sep 2009 18:25:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by outboundproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2009 18:25:48 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=ke5BzFxX6Ir84cM1HpPAafpMDRLw5DJwzfj4N05h36vRi3IG55Q4967hvN1fBHgfOqNexFoKqWxnPyrH/oP4iVndzTC0P4KKSYqk1cRNRUcNaV6KBFfTqvPSfHPbsbm0; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MrFUK-0003d2-0Z for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 12:25:48 -0600 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Fri, 25 Sep 2009 12:18:37 -0600 Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 12:18:37 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090925181837.GF28805@guilt.Savvis> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org References: <200909251345.n8PDjSUM019919@fire.js.berklix.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="+ts6NCQ4mrNQIV8p" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200909251345.n8PDjSUM019919@fire.js.berklix.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: why no Oracle on FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 18:33:09 -0000 --+ts6NCQ4mrNQIV8p Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 03:45:28PM +0200, Julian H. Stacey wrote: >=20 > If you only want to buy a few licenses. Oracle probably won't be > interested (unless you convince them you'r a path finder for more > purchasers to come); It doesn't hurt to ask (unless you're bluffing, and they call you on it, I guess). What if you're the 101st to ask, and they finally decided to do something about it? --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --+ts6NCQ4mrNQIV8p Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.13 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkq9CX0ACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKXBrACfVrZtZSSylWyWUArmI7qnBCcW Pd8AoMpcdeucuUdmL3WhA2wPr6kkYk5J =bDaF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --+ts6NCQ4mrNQIV8p-- From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 25 18:46:53 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6C2E1065693 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 18:46:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-147.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-147.bluehost.com [67.222.38.37]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 755088FC0C for ; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 18:46:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 21390 invoked by uid 0); 25 Sep 2009 18:20:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by outboundproxy5.bluehost.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2009 18:20:13 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=HMddxjtt0PEJRflIvNx5+bTY7nlBlXqvTa+f+yrhVCT0LLpSTaodcypdc1T3Fbqic6+z4n6/HCtmqlBq0Ak2zE9VSzqGlOxQtGIwAW9k9hYZ8eGkpOGxKfoGWMpyVMk/; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MrFOt-0002SQ-ND for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 12:20:13 -0600 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Fri, 25 Sep 2009 12:12:57 -0600 Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 12:12:57 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090925181257.GD28805@guilt.Savvis> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="LKTjZJSUETSlgu2t" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: why no Oracle on FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 18:46:53 -0000 --LKTjZJSUETSlgu2t Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 09:15:43PM +0530, Saifi Khan wrote: >=20 > i noticed that there is no Oracle available for FreeBSD > http://www.oracle.com/technology/software/products/database/index.html I unfortunately don't have anything to offer as a direct answer to that, other than perhaps "Oracle's short-sightedness". I wonder why you ask, though. Do you plan to use Oracle for some specific "real world" purpose? Are you simply trying to learn about Oracle? Are you just curious about the lack of Oracle for FreeBSD? Depending on your reasons for asking, it might be worthwhile to investigate alternatives. FTD apparently found Oracle to fall short of expectations, and EnterpriseDB's variant of PostgreSQL rose to the challenge: http://tinyurl.com/yd9lon5 (I used TinyURL to avoid running afoul of line-wrap, et cetera.) It might be worth looking into. It's easy (relative to most DMBS-to-DBMS migrations) to migrate a database from Oracle to PostgreSQL, too, thanks to substantial feature parity between the two. There's a slightly different write-up of the FTD migration on EnterpriseDB's "success stories" page: http://www.enterprisedb.com/learning/success.do --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --LKTjZJSUETSlgu2t Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.13 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkq9CCkACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKU09gCfQj8m7QVnQvw55uktZaaV8KPb kl4AoKS1UPGPxBKms0w8zCoFdnQxMSAn =w73S -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --LKTjZJSUETSlgu2t-- From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 25 18:49:57 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC8331065693 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 18:49:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-40.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-40.bluehost.com [69.89.20.194]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 898268FC1E for ; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 18:49:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 27572 invoked by uid 0); 25 Sep 2009 18:23:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by outboundproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2009 18:23:17 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=a2PKDLRnrUnfyvaKtPOirGfybc7zgbMmzjBZKTPYCiMYL2rfFZZbKahvFOTbgysNBpmF/xe26QWyPf1l2hM/GPqw91P+yJcVa7EgDU7gkRRnzFXzh88NoxoT3lSR9aQE; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MrFRp-0007YN-LR; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 12:23:15 -0600 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Fri, 25 Sep 2009 12:16:02 -0600 Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 12:16:02 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090925181602.GE28805@guilt.Savvis> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <200909241735.n8OHZMVM099476@fire.js.berklix.net> <4ABCBF61.20205@ibctech.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="a1QUDc0q7S3U7/Jg" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Cc: Subject: Re: why no Oracle on FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 18:49:57 -0000 --a1QUDc0q7S3U7/Jg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 10:28:20AM -0400, telmnstr@757.org wrote: >=20 > I'd be willing to bet there is little to no commercial demand for Oracle= =20 > on FreeBSD. I wonder how much difference Oracle availability on FreeBSD would make, here. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --a1QUDc0q7S3U7/Jg Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.13 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkq9COIACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKX/WgCfQvJclfcSW8iyxeporlLx1QsM 2MkAn1Pzk7kLVzpzqqBelcIyWkXvIPFR =aq3D -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --a1QUDc0q7S3U7/Jg-- From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 25 20:28:15 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBA50106568B for ; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 20:28:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gedankezauberer@comcast.net) Received: from QMTA03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.32]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D73118FC13 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 20:28:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from OMTA20.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.87]) by QMTA03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id l6gv1c0011smiN4A38UGvf; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 20:28:16 +0000 Received: from zauberer.unix.freebsd.org ([76.112.93.25]) by OMTA20.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id l8UE1c0010Yq9Sc8g8UFGP; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 20:28:16 +0000 Message-ID: <4ABD26C0.8050804@comcast.net> Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 16:23:28 -0400 From: Allen User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081220) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: advocacy@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: FreeBSD gear (Clothes, machines) X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 20:28:16 -0000 I'm wondering how many people here buy FreeBSD stuff. Like for example, I have a FreeBSD teeshirt, a pair of FreeBSD boxers (very comfy by the way) and I also purchase a lot of the things I find about FreeBSD because, quite frankly, the quality of products are very high, and I think Patrick Volkerding of Slackware Linux said it best when he said "If you're trying to learn Linux / Unix, just read the BSD stuff, it doesn't have the PR crap most Linux tech stuff has and gets to the point". I think he's mostly right about that. If you've ever tried reading over some of the Linux stuff other than Slackware, Debian, and some of the SUSE stuff, you've probably noticed it's mostly PR and not very technically and leaves you wondering sometimes why there aren't as many answers. You read FreeBSD, and they have the PR stuff in the PR section, and the tech stuff in the part it should be. I think Slackware and FreeBSD must be pretty close; when I made an order of a Slackware 4 CD-ROM set and a Slackware Mouse Pad, I also the same day ordered a FreeBSD mouse pad, a FreeBSD CD-set, and a copy of EACH of the FreeBSD books you can get on the FreeBSDMall page (It was a big order, I got one of every book they sell except for the third edition of "The Complete FreeBSD because I already had it, so I bought the newer one available) and for the FreeBSD stuff I paid for overnight shipping. I hate waiting a week to get stuff and I really wanted to see what was in the books and see what the CDs were like, so I decided I'd try overnights. I was also not planning on waiting forever for my Slackware Store order either and got second day shipping. I was shocked to see that 17 hours later a huge package was on the porch with not only my FreeBSD stuff, but the Slackware stuff too, in the same box. I only paid overnight on BSD, but got Slackware too. It's like it came from the same place and they noticed I had two orders and paid more for faster shipping. I also noticed that the Slackware CDs and FreeBSD CDs look a lot alike, and that the Slackware Book is a lot like a FreeBSD book (Font and all that are very similar). Are the Slackware store and BSD Mall in the same place? Anyway, I love the books I got. I've read a lot of BSD stuff like NetBSD and OpenBSD, but I've always been very partial to FreeBSD which is in my eyes the better choice. That's why I'm on the Advocacy Mailing List, I like spreading the word. I actually got a phone call the day after my order came from a woman asking of my order arrived OK, because she said one order had come back and they were checking to see if it was mine, so I went over what I ordered with her and she was actually shocked to see how much money I spent and I almost chuckled because it's no where near the first time. I basically said "Hey, as long as some of this gets back to the people who make FreeBSD and it helps them in some way I'll keep making orders of this size. Of course you'll need new products, but I don't mind helping financially when I can". I'm sort of wondering how much of any given order gets back to the people who make FreeBSD, and spend their time doing it. I read somewhere it was a certain percent, so I'm Hoping they do get something back. I'm a persona who stands by what I like. I take crap for it sometimes, we all do or will when we believe in something. When I was in college a few years ago and my Professor was teaching Linux, I made sure my class saw how neat my SUSE, Slackware, and FreeBSD installs looked and how easy they were to make things happen. I also got my teacher to talk about BSD a little more to show everyone there were choices. I also made a card on the board that showed how to do things in BSD VS Linux since there are a few differences here and there. I tried to get a BSD class for the school, but my teacher admitted I knew more about it than he did as he learned his Unix skill on HP-UX and I have always been a more Linux / BSD guy. I wear my Slackware shirt and my FreeBSD tee, and my Slackware and BSD buttons, and I spread the word to people I think may try it out. I also help out with tech stuff in my local area, and I'm also one who offers to install FreeBSD, for free, to anyone who wants. Basically, I do actually go out and not only promote FreeBSD, I help make it happen, and I'm more or less wondering what other things people on here do to get the word out. As Marshall Kirk McKusick said "The Linux guys go out there and they do things and they have more market share, and I think it's important we do the same". I'd love to meet him, he's great. And a damn good speaker. :) -Allen PS; not to sound weird, but does anyone here have any neat hardware configurations? Like a machine running FreeBSD that has like CD/DVD/Tape /Cool hardware you're proud of? Thanks! From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 25 21:05:06 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B42911065670 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 21:05:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mattjeet@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vw0-f180.google.com (mail-vw0-f180.google.com [209.85.212.180]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68A058FC08 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 21:05:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vws10 with SMTP id 10so2534508vws.7 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 14:05:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:reply-to:received :in-reply-to:references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=4+7bn7wm63vgcXp7Ozh+bSzkej+75lgwG8huKckSr5g=; b=jmgXq9fW0+GmlMGHDu8RrBD5BmPVDJdRcU473fiOSj65rk4uMRIrbb5+Nn44XSa17P e1EbGOuaVUMeArP+ZIU2xhrSmbUHj5yPdl1QvdCISqq+PNa5Ezc1143NDfW+3vVphduH bcV9QVU3ln7Pd8iOVTkMHtdvbeoh5a1maNguc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; b=ViS9SnF/82zv3Kay31lKPAwni1Jibr6m9TebiezeeTwYQhP344oYtc69tnGLE+pojL k2t2RllftgV3w3+MVKMxmXjyfZIeNJiLTf38b24xX18yMGsF1+h2wkizaQmJyy//JFt6 nR4Zq5RSxj1pqTe+jh29a7DlRJwXknd2ivEww= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: mattjeet@gmail.com Received: by 10.220.79.11 with SMTP id n11mr1068240vck.95.1253912705572; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 14:05:05 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4ABD26C0.8050804@comcast.net> References: <4ABD26C0.8050804@comcast.net> Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 14:05:05 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 8e03ca9827f5e655 Message-ID: <9740caf0909251405oc09d55fx3a886317b1b54e38@mail.gmail.com> From: Matt Olander To: Allen Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD gear (Clothes, machines) X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: matt@ixsystems.com List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 21:05:06 -0000 Sorry for the top post but I only have some quick comments ;-) Great post, Allen. I'm glad you had a good experience with the mall, Allen. In fact, you are correct, we also host the Slackware site/store for Patrick and handle all the production details and shipping logistics. It's better for everyone if Patrick can focus on what he does best, which is continuing to develop one of the few linux distros that we'll recommend and support for linux users. The mall is a division of iXsystems and we try and contribute back to FreeBSD in a variety of ways. You can see from the Foundation sponsors page that not only does the FreeBSD Mall contribute but iXsystems contributes separately as well (and some of the employees individually, too!): http://freebsdfoundation.org/donate/sponsors.shtml We also do other things like establish a FreeBSD presence at tradeshows, sponsor specific development projects, employ a few people to work on FreeBSD, etc. Keep enjoying the best operating system on the planet and spreading the word like you have been! best, -matt PS - I love my BSD boxers :-D On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 1:23 PM, Allen wrote: > I'm wondering how many people here buy FreeBSD stuff. Like for example, I > have a FreeBSD teeshirt, a pair of FreeBSD boxers (very comfy by the way) > and I also purchase a lot of the things I find about FreeBSD because, quite > frankly, the quality of products are very high, and I think Patrick > Volkerding of Slackware Linux said it best when he said "If you're trying to > learn Linux / Unix, just read the BSD stuff, it doesn't have the PR crap > most Linux tech stuff has and gets to the point". I think he's mostly right > about that. If you've ever tried reading over some of the Linux stuff other > than Slackware, Debian, and some of the SUSE stuff, you've probably noticed > it's mostly PR and not very technically and leaves you wondering sometimes > why there aren't as many answers. You read FreeBSD, and they have the PR > stuff in the PR section, and the tech stuff in the part it should be. > > I think Slackware and FreeBSD must be pretty close; when I made an order of > a Slackware 4 CD-ROM set and a Slackware Mouse Pad, I also the same day > ordered a FreeBSD mouse pad, a FreeBSD CD-set, and a copy of EACH of the > FreeBSD books you can get on the FreeBSDMall page (It was a big order, I got > one of every book they sell except for the third edition of "The Complete > FreeBSD because I already had it, so I bought the newer one available) and > for the FreeBSD stuff I paid for overnight shipping. I hate waiting a week > to get stuff and I really wanted to see what was in the books and see what > the CDs were like, so I decided I'd try overnights. > > I was also not planning on waiting forever for my Slackware Store order > either and got second day shipping. I was shocked to see that 17 hours later > a huge package was on the porch with not only my FreeBSD stuff, but the > Slackware stuff too, in the same box. I only paid overnight on BSD, but got > Slackware too. It's like it came from the same place and they noticed I had > two orders and paid more for faster shipping. > > I also noticed that the Slackware CDs and FreeBSD CDs look a lot alike, and > that the Slackware Book is a lot like a FreeBSD book (Font and all that are > very similar). Are the Slackware store and BSD Mall in the same place? > > Anyway, I love the books I got. I've read a lot of BSD stuff like NetBSD and > OpenBSD, but I've always been very partial to FreeBSD which is in my eyes > the better choice. That's why I'm on the Advocacy Mailing List, I like > spreading the word. > > I actually got a phone call the day after my order came from a woman asking > of my order arrived OK, because she said one order had come back and they > were checking to see if it was mine, so I went over what I ordered with her > and she was actually shocked to see how much money I spent and I almost > chuckled because it's no where near the first time. I basically said "Hey, > as long as some of this gets back to the people who make FreeBSD and it > helps them in some way I'll keep making orders of this size. Of course > you'll need new products, but I don't mind helping financially when I can". > > I'm sort of wondering how much of any given order gets back to the people > who make FreeBSD, and spend their time doing it. I read somewhere it was a > certain percent, so I'm Hoping they do get something back. > > I'm a persona who stands by what I like. I take crap for it sometimes, we > all do or will when we believe in something. When I was in college a few > years ago and my Professor was teaching Linux, I made sure my class saw how > neat my SUSE, Slackware, and FreeBSD installs looked and how easy they were > to make things happen. > > I also got my teacher to talk about BSD a little more to show everyone there > were choices. I also made a card on the board that showed how to do things > in BSD VS Linux since there are a few differences here and there. > > I tried to get a BSD class for the school, but my teacher admitted I knew > more about it than he did as he learned his Unix skill on HP-UX and I have > always been a more Linux / BSD guy. I wear my Slackware shirt and my FreeBSD > tee, and my Slackware and BSD buttons, and I spread the word to people I > think may try it out. > > I also help out with tech stuff in my local area, and I'm also one who > offers to install FreeBSD, for free, to anyone who wants. > > Basically, I do actually go out and not only promote FreeBSD, I help make it > happen, and I'm more or less wondering what other things people on here do > to get the word out. > > As Marshall Kirk McKusick said "The Linux guys go out there and they do > things and they have more market share, and I think it's important we do the > same". I'd love to meet him, he's great. And a damn good speaker. :) > > -Allen > > PS; not to sound weird, but does anyone here have any neat hardware > configurations? Like a machine running FreeBSD that has like CD/DVD/Tape > /Cool hardware you're proud of? Thanks! > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 25 22:31:36 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A449E1065697 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 22:31:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gedankezauberer@comcast.net) Received: from QMTA11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.211]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CB4F8FC18 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 22:31:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from OMTA05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.43]) by QMTA11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id lA461c0070vp7WLABAU4tP; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 22:28:04 +0000 Received: from zauberer.unix.freebsd.org ([76.112.93.25]) by OMTA05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id lAXa1c0090Yq9Sc8RAXbeS; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 22:31:36 +0000 Message-ID: <4ABD43A9.8030608@comcast.net> Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 18:26:49 -0400 From: Allen User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081220) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: matt@ixsystems.com, advocacy@freebsd.org References: <4ABD26C0.8050804@comcast.net> <9740caf0909251405oc09d55fx3a886317b1b54e38@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9740caf0909251405oc09d55fx3a886317b1b54e38@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: FreeBSD gear (Clothes, machines) X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 22:31:36 -0000 Matt Olander wrote: > Sorry for the top post but I only have some quick comments ;-) > > Great post, Allen. I'm glad you had a good experience with the mall, > Allen. In fact, you are correct, we also host the Slackware site/store > for Patrick and handle all the production details and shipping > logistics. It's better for everyone if Patrick can focus on what he > does best, which is continuing to develop one of the few linux distros > that we'll recommend and support for linux users. I was wondering about that ;) I kept noticing how the first Slackware book looked a lot like "The Complete FreeBSD" third edition, in terms of font and the overall design and thought "oh neat, well Pat seems like BSD maybe he liked that" but that's awesome you guys do that too. I'm glad I know now, it made sense to me now when I was emailing to ask a question the first time I ordered something. I had never made an order before so I was emailing someone to see how long it normally takes, and if there was anything a new customer should know, and everyone has always been very nice, very kind, and very helpful, and I liked the experience overall, so once I got my order I took a few pics and sent them to the Slackware and BSD loving friends and told them that it was not only fast on delivery but that I got everything in the same day and everything looked good and that I recommended them. The only time I ever had a problem, was when I ordered a DVD (20 Years of Berkeley Unix) and they more than went out of the way to help me out. They had a shipping error or ran out of stock, something that happens normally, it wasn't some big deal, but to make up for it I got a bunch of BSD stickers for free and thought it was a very kinf gesture since the order wasn't as big as the others and they showed me that even a small order matters to them, so I was very happy and wrote a quick review up and again recommended that everyone order something from there. I also said the stickers were very nice, and my laptop to this day is covered in them in a collage of BSD stickers and my monitors and PCs all have one too. I like them :) > The mall is a division of iXsystems and we try and contribute back to > FreeBSD in a variety of ways. You can see from the Foundation sponsors > page that not only does the FreeBSD Mall contribute but iXsystems > contributes separately as well (and some of the employees > individually, too!): > http://freebsdfoundation.org/donate/sponsors.shtml I think that was what I had read, I was happy to see something gets back to the people who put this stuff out there without asking for a dime in return, so I like making orders to show people this stuff not only works but that the people designing it have taste :) > We also do other things like establish a FreeBSD presence at > tradeshows, sponsor specific development projects, employ a few people > to work on FreeBSD, etc. I've wanted to go to a BSD booth for so long! Rarely do we see those in Michigan ;) But I'd for sure go! > Keep enjoying the best operating system on the planet and spreading > the word like you have been! > > best, > -matt > > PS - I love my BSD boxers :-D Thanks for the info! And I plan on fully continuing my help with getting people used to the idea that you don't have to run an OS where you can't customize a Kernel. Or one where you can actually get uptime when you need a server that doesn't have time to reboot heh. I go to colleges around here like I was saying and I did manage to not only get my teachers and staff of the college to look at BSD as a way of making things go, but I also pointed out the roots of BSD and how nice it would be if they started pointing out that a REAL Unix OS would probably benefit the other students, and of course there was sources for the programmers, and how it was totally free. I tried talking them into ordering a box of CDs from the site and that I'd volunteer to install, but instead they had to just download since the admin is a Windows guy lol. I did do the installs though and even put it on some personal Desktops of a few teachers who gave me extra credit for it. I do what I can t help out, I'm not a programmer, and I'm not a Millionaire, but when I do have money extras, do what I can to buy things I can get free. It's to me a lot like an MP3 or OGG file you download; You can download this music, for free, though most bands don't like that, some don't mind, but they also make their living doing this, so if you like the music you may wanna buy something or go to shows and pay for tickets, because they don't have another job normally. So I generally buy CDs, shirts, everything, and I also help write installation guides because some people think a text based installer means a hard to use one, which In don't agree with. I Love the FreeBSD installer, and the Slackware install, and I've written docs to do both, and even dual boot docs and got published for that one. Sorry about message length, I'm really talkative today it seems lol. Anyway, thanks again, and I too think those BSD boxers are amazing! Nothing says sleek geek like BSD boxer shorts lol. - Allen From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 26 06:29:25 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3AF31065697 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 2009 06:29:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from saifi.khan@datasynergy.org) Received: from s219.sureserver.com (s219.sureserver.com [203.194.200.31]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 349E08FC21 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 2009 06:29:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 19767 invoked by uid 1002); 26 Sep 2009 06:29:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?10.10.10.9?) (saifi.khan@datasynergy.org@59.96.202.130) by s219.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 26 Sep 2009 06:29:21 -0000 Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 11:57:26 +0530 (IST) From: Saifi Khan X-X-Sender: saifi@freebsd To: Chad Perrin In-Reply-To: <20090925181257.GD28805@guilt.Savvis> Message-ID: References: <20090925181257.GD28805@guilt.Savvis> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: why no Oracle on FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 06:29:26 -0000 On Fri, 25 Sep 2009, Chad Perrin wrote: > On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 09:15:43PM +0530, Saifi Khan wrote: > > > > i noticed that there is no Oracle available for FreeBSD > > http://www.oracle.com/technology/software/products/database/index.html > > I unfortunately don't have anything to offer as a direct answer to that, > other than perhaps "Oracle's short-sightedness". > > I wonder why you ask, though. Do you plan to use Oracle for some > specific "real world" purpose? Are you simply trying to learn about > Oracle? Are you just curious about the lack of Oracle for FreeBSD? > Here is some background to help you understand the requirement: i was conducting a system administration session for some IT admins and managers, here in Hyderabad, Andhra Pradesh, INDIA. One of the folks has a PostgreSQL on FreeBSD setup running since last 4 yrs without any issues. They have recently received Oracle database server and need to set up on Windows 2003 server. Since the folks have prior experience with FreeBSD it seemed logical to try and setup Oracle on FreeBSD on IBM x-series server. i was particularly interested since the acquisition dataset growth rate was like 30-50 GB per week, stored on a SAN. thanks Saifi. From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 26 07:00:31 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3136C1065670 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 2009 07:00:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from saifi.khan@datasynergy.org) Received: from s219.sureserver.com (s219.sureserver.com [203.194.200.31]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEF838FC19 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 2009 07:00:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 10358 invoked by uid 1002); 26 Sep 2009 07:00:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?10.10.10.9?) (saifi.khan@datasynergy.org@59.96.202.130) by s219.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 26 Sep 2009 07:00:29 -0000 Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 12:27:59 +0530 (IST) From: Saifi Khan X-X-Sender: saifi@freebsd To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Why no SAP nor DB2 on FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 07:00:31 -0000 Hi all: In continuation of my investigation of Oracle, i also noticed that there is: . no SAP for FreeBSD . no DB2 for FreeBSD . no Sybase ASE for FreeBSD . no Informix for FreeBSD Discouing PostgreSql installations, effectively enterprise database setups have given FreeBSD a miss. What could be reason for this ? thanks Saifi. From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 26 07:26:12 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 685BD1065672 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 2009 07:26:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tonyt@logyst.com) Received: from smtp.webfaction.com (mail6.webfaction.com [74.55.86.74]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44A288FC0A for ; Sat, 26 Sep 2009 07:26:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-px0-f192.google.com (mail-px0-f192.google.com [209.85.216.192]) by smtp.webfaction.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 775191C73BCD for ; Sat, 26 Sep 2009 01:53:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: by pxi30 with SMTP id 30so4395116pxi.7 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 23:53:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.170.5 with SMTP id s5mr42617rve.6.1253948014793; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 23:53:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20090925181257.GD28805@guilt.Savvis> Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 16:53:34 +1000 Message-ID: <22166b750909252353uf0bfb33if51eb16a6d202e4a@mail.gmail.com> From: Tony Theodore To: Saifi Khan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: why no Oracle on FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 07:26:12 -0000 > Since the folks have prior experience with FreeBSD it seemed > logical to try and setup Oracle on FreeBSD on IBM x-series > server. > > Did you try the linux compatibility setup? It's for a much older version, but might be interesting to play with at least. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/linuxemu-oracle.html Tony From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 26 10:12:25 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31F95106566C for ; Sat, 26 Sep 2009 10:12:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marius@nuenneri.ch) Received: from ey-out-2122.google.com (ey-out-2122.google.com [74.125.78.25]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA1F68FC1A for ; Sat, 26 Sep 2009 10:12:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ey-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 4so718525eyf.9 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 2009 03:12:23 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.23.10 with SMTP id u10mr249440weu.29.1253958610784; Sat, 26 Sep 2009 02:50:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 11:50:10 +0200 Message-ID: From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Marius_N=FCnnerich?= To: Saifi Khan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why no SAP nor DB2 on FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 10:12:25 -0000 On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 08:57, Saifi Khan wrot= e: > Hi all: > > In continuation of my investigation of Oracle, i also noticed > that there is: > =A0. no SAP for FreeBSD > =A0. no DB2 for FreeBSD > =A0. no Sybase ASE for FreeBSD > =A0. no Informix for FreeBSD > > Discouing PostgreSql installations, effectively enterprise > database setups have given FreeBSD a miss. > What could be reason for this ? Same answer as last time: Please ask the respective vendors and report back= . From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 26 11:12:02 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A320A106568F for ; Sat, 26 Sep 2009 11:12:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from tower.berklix.org (tower.berklix.org [83.236.223.114]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 113718FC15 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 2009 11:12:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from park.js.berklix.net (p549A74E3.dip.t-dialin.net [84.154.116.227]) (authenticated bits=0) by tower.berklix.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n8QAwqAo000648; Sat, 26 Sep 2009 10:58:53 GMT (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by park.js.berklix.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n8QAweZ6087876; Sat, 26 Sep 2009 12:58:41 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n8QB0uG3037251; Sat, 26 Sep 2009 13:01:02 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@fire.js.berklix.net) Message-Id: <200909261101.n8QB0uG3037251@fire.js.berklix.net> To: Allen From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://www.berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultancy, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://www.berklix.com/free/ X-URL: http://www.berklix.com In-reply-to: Your message "Fri, 25 Sep 2009 16:23:28 EDT." <4ABD26C0.8050804@comcast.net> Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 13:00:56 +0200 Sender: jhs@berklix.com Cc: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD gear (Clothes, machines) X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 11:12:02 -0000 Allen wrote: > PS; not to sound weird, but does anyone here have any neat hardware > configurations? Like a machine running FreeBSD that has like CD/DVD/Tape > /Cool hardware you're proud of? Thanks! http://berklix.com/scanjet/ FreeBSD inside a scanner. Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey: BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Mail ASCII plain text not HTML & Base64. http://asciiribbon.org Virused Microsoft PCs cause spam. http://berklix.com/free/ From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 26 18:05:50 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72A9D1065670 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 2009 18:05:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gedankezauberer@comcast.net) Received: from QMTA01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.16]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CAE78FC17 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 2009 18:05:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from OMTA05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.43]) by QMTA01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id lVyK1c0030vp7WLA1W57S9; Sat, 26 Sep 2009 18:05:07 +0000 Received: from zauberer.unix.freebsd.org ([76.112.93.25]) by OMTA05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id lW5o1c0080Yq9Sc8RW5plG; Sat, 26 Sep 2009 18:05:50 +0000 Message-ID: <4ABE56E0.5090303@comcast.net> Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 14:01:04 -0400 From: Allen User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081220) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: advocacy@freebsd.org References: <200909261101.n8QB0uG3037251@fire.js.berklix.net> In-Reply-To: <200909261101.n8QB0uG3037251@fire.js.berklix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: FreeBSD gear (Clothes, machines) X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 18:05:50 -0000 Julian H. Stacey wrote: > Allen wrote: >> PS; not to sound weird, but does anyone here have any neat hardware >> configurations? Like a machine running FreeBSD that has like CD/DVD/Tape >> /Cool hardware you're proud of? Thanks! > > http://berklix.com/scanjet/ FreeBSD inside a scanner. > > Cheers, > Julian OK now THAT is awesome ! Heh, it's neat to think that someone sat there one day and thought "Why the hell am I running scanner software that can't even be updated anymore? Hmm, BSD!" wow... I'm still waiting on the NetBSD Oven, but hey lol. I'd much rather have FreeBSD on my oven, at least then I'd know it works better. ;) Thank you for that, I'm reading up on it right now and showed my Wife who also thought it was cool. (She does in fact know Unix pretty well so She knows what BSD is). Now that my installation of like 200 more tools for WindowMaker and themes for it is done, I can read it without a load average getting up there (This machine is super old, like 10 years almost... Still works good as long as I don't try to push my luck). Anyway,thanks again :) -Allen From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 26 20:55:23 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80F16106566C for ; Sat, 26 Sep 2009 20:55:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (tim.des.no [194.63.250.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 425298FC14 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 2009 20:55:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ds4.des.no (des.no [84.49.246.2]) by smtp.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 747996D41B; Sat, 26 Sep 2009 20:55:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ds4.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 428CB844E4; Sat, 26 Sep 2009 22:55:22 +0200 (CEST) From: =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= To: Marius =?utf-8?Q?N=C3=BCnnerich?= References: Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 22:55:21 +0200 In-Reply-To: ("Marius =?utf-8?Q?N=C3=BCnnerich=22's?= message of "Sat, 26 Sep 2009 11:50:10 +0200") Message-ID: <86ljk1h1dy.fsf@ds4.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.95 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Saifi Khan , freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why no SAP nor DB2 on FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 20:55:23 -0000 Marius N=C3=BCnnerich writes: > Saifi Khan writes: > > Discouing PostgreSql installations, effectively enterprise database > > setups have given FreeBSD a miss. What could be reason for this ? > Same answer as last time: Please ask the respective vendors and report ba= ck. Furthermore, if there is a Linux version, try running it on FreeBSD, and if it doesn't work, raise the issue on the mailing lists and / or submit a PR so we can improve our Linux compatibility. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 26 21:39:32 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B95C106568F for ; Sat, 26 Sep 2009 21:39:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from tower.berklix.org (tower.berklix.org [83.236.223.114]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBE858FC0A for ; Sat, 26 Sep 2009 21:39:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from park.js.berklix.net (p549A5BB1.dip.t-dialin.net [84.154.91.177]) (authenticated bits=0) by tower.berklix.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n8QLdOCL009119; Sat, 26 Sep 2009 21:39:25 GMT (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by park.js.berklix.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n8QLdNwm091431; Sat, 26 Sep 2009 23:39:23 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n8QLfYeX044527; Sat, 26 Sep 2009 23:41:39 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@fire.js.berklix.net) Message-Id: <200909262141.n8QLfYeX044527@fire.js.berklix.net> To: Allen From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://www.berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultancy, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://www.berklix.com/free/ X-URL: http://www.berklix.com In-reply-to: Your message "Sat, 26 Sep 2009 14:01:04 EDT." <4ABE56E0.5090303@comcast.net> Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 23:41:34 +0200 Sender: jhs@berklix.com Cc: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD gear (Clothes, machines) X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 21:39:32 -0000 Hi, > From: Allen Allen wrote: > >> PS; not to sound weird, but does anyone here have any neat hardware > >> configurations? Like a machine running FreeBSD that has like CD/DVD/Tape > >> /Cool hardware you're proud of? Thanks! > > > > http://berklix.com/scanjet/ FreeBSD inside a scanner. > > OK now THAT is awesome ! Heh, it's neat to think that someone sat there > one day and thought "Why the hell am I running scanner software that > can't even be updated anymore? Hmm, BSD!" wow... Well, 2 chaps at a German University did Linux first, then David Malone did FreeBSD, but in essence, Yes :-) People are encouraged to click & glance at the photo, then if one turns up some time in company junk room, rescue it. Companies find the original NT software useless, but the sheet feader + scanner + BSD inside works well. Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey: BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Mail ASCII plain text not HTML & Base64. http://asciiribbon.org Virused Microsoft PCs cause spam. http://berklix.com/free/