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Date:      Tue, 21 Apr 2020 17:43:01 +0000 (UTC)
From:      Paul Pathiakis <>
To:        Polytropon <>, Robert Huff <>
Cc:        FreeBSD <>, "@lbutlr" <>
Subject:   Re: Wayland on FreeBSD
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 :D=C2=A0 I love it when I see reactions to problems like this on FreeBSD..=
.. :D
Personally, I see a need for an alternative weighing though.=C2=A0 There ar=
e a HUGE amount of apps that make use of X.=C2=A0 Here's my thought:=C2=A0 =
Can Xorg learn from Wayland?=C2=A0 Could they, as a stop gap measure, imple=
ment a compositor similar to Wayland's method?=C2=A0 Enhance communications=
 via a default TLS methodology that can be imbedded in all X communications=
Don't get me wrong, I believe X is archaic and has been patched constantly =
to 'enhance' functionality or close security issues and it should be replac=
However, all functionality needs to stay intact and I would think that ther=
e could be some type of shim that allows existing programs to be compiled a=
s they always have for X and it just translates to Wayland's APIs.=C2=A0 If=
 Wayland can offset the speed loss of the shim with its speed enhancements,=
 it should be invisible to the user.

Am I making sense?=C2=A0 ( I believe this is what I'm seeing below )


    On Tuesday, April 21, 2020, 1:30:23 PM EDT, Robert Huff <roberthuff@rcn=
.com> wrote: =20
Polytropon writes:

>=C2=A0 On Mon, 20 Apr 2020 19:18:51 -0600, @lbutlr wrote:
>=C2=A0 > On 20 Apr 2020, at 02:24, Ihor Antonov <> wro=
>=C2=A0 > > But even in 10 years FreeBSD hackers will keep using rotting X1=
>=C2=A0 >=20
>=C2=A0 > Perhaps. A tiny percentage. The rest will continue as they are no=
>=C2=A0 > avoiding X11 at all costs because it is insecure bloat that
>=C2=A0 > interferes with the desired operation of the machine.
>=C2=A0 Depends. If Wayland can offer all features that X11 offers at
>=C2=A0 the moment, there will probably be no major problem in transition.

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Speaking only for myself (though I think there are a _lo=
t_ of
folks who would agree): I have no particular loyalty to X.=C2=A0 If there's
an alternative that's faster/more secure/easier to {install, maintain,
upgrade}/[other unspecified benefits] ... what the <bleep> are we
waiting for?=C2=A0 Can I be a lab rat?
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 _If_.
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 What I _think_ I'm hearing is "Wayland is a better solut=
ion that
isn't ready yet.=C2=A0 Not fully integrated with FreeBSD; not even ready in
the (current) Platonic ideal."
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Am I wrong?
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Also: if I understand the conversation, Wayland works OK=
client and server are the same machine, but not over a network?

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Opportunistically,

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
 Robert Huff
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
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Hello dear all,

Please excuse my ignorancebut could some body make a post about waylan.

There's a new thread about wayland, you talk of it like it's "your old friend
since elementary school » but it's not my case.

As I understood it's and "evolution", another way to make graphical disply,
the primary one is X11.

Could you take a little bit of your time to explain what's different, new,,
the avantages, the disavantages, etc…

But please stay at a high level :-)

Thank you very much in advance for that.

As usual, take care .
Jacques Foucry

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