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Date:      Tue, 1 Apr 2014 15:10:22 -0700
From:      Kevin Oberman <rkoberman@gmail.com>
To:        Matthias Apitz <guru@unixarea.de>
Cc:        freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, Lars Engels <lars.engels@0x20.net>, Eitan Adler <lists@eitanadler.com>, hackers@freebsd.org, dteske@freebsd.org, Jordan Hubbard <jkh@mail.turbofuzz.com>, "current@freebsd.org" <current@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: Leaving the Desktop Market
Message-ID:  <CAN6yY1vivPPbbjaC36zQiWwqPqhON_3NbAydwBeiehYsjkPLHg@mail.gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <20140401195006.GA1368@tiny-r255948>
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On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 12:50 PM, Matthias Apitz <guru@unixarea.de> wrote:

> El d=C3=ADa Tuesday, April 01, 2014 a las 07:43:02PM +0200, Lars Engels
> escribi=C3=B3:
>
> > > > > > That is why on this date I propose that we cease competing on t=
he
> > > > > > desktop market.  FreeBSD should declare 2014 to be "year of the
> > > [snip]
> > >
> > > > I'm a happy FreeBSD desktop user since 4.7. There are some edges,
> but I
> > > > really like that I can can create a desktop the way _I_ want it and
> my mail
> > > > client even allows me to break lines at 80 chars. Eat that, Apple
> Mail! ;-)
> > >
> > > What e-mail client do you use? Evolution?
> >
> > No, mutt, with vim as mail composer. :)
>
> +1
>
>         matthias
>
>         (FreeBSD since 2.2.5 and sending this from an EeePC 900,
>         netbook, UMTS connected, KDE4 desktop, sound, webcam, vim, mutt,
>         sendmail, ...)
>

FreeBSD desktop since 3.3 (makes me a newbie!) I really dislike pulseaudio
and have managed to live without it. Firefox works fine without it.
Unfortunately they dropped OSS support a while go, so I now must use alsa,
but it works well and without the pain of dealing with pulseaudio, a
solution in search of a problem it I ever saw one.

Audio output is pretty system dependent, but I had little problem getting
my audio to auto-switch to headphones when I plugged them in. The setup is
a bit ugly,but I only had to check the available PINs (ugly, ugly) and set
up stuff once. It just works. If you want my example set-up, I can post it
somewhere or you can look in the archives for it as I have posted it in the
past.

I used exmh with emacs for years, but no when work stopped allowing private
SMTP systems, I switched to Thunderbird. Not great, but satisfactory.

I must use a bit of emulation but it works. (E.g. Flash, alsa) I can run
what I need and have been happy to avoid the issues Windows users have to
deal with (Can you day Windows 8 or Metro?)

Power is an issue and I find the current defaults suck. Read mav's article
on the subject on the wiki.
--=20
R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer, Retired
E-mail: rkoberman@gmail.com



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