Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 14:07:41 -0700 From: Don Wilde <dwilde1@gmail.com> To: Polytropon <freebsd@edvax.de> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD (GhostBSD) Question? Message-ID: <3ad130d6-cc26-a77d-536d-713772dadd95@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <20200722204107.e19f8052.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <CAPmsJLC001JNO==5VQoP6vBLzGT1g7L2fKR_ifd0BUSsxWmdAw@mail.gmail.com> <1720589882.5509006.1595431360144@mail.yahoo.com> <b1166d38-0e83-a6e5-77df-1025e60af5cb@gmail.com> <20200722204107.e19f8052.freebsd@edvax.de>
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On 7/22/20 11:41 AM, Polytropon wrote: > On Wed, 22 Jul 2020 09:45:08 -0700, Don Wilde wrote: >> I don't see that any of these GUI installers help a whole bunch for what >> I want. I can see their usefulness for those who come from the Doze or >> Mac -- or even Ubuntu -- worlds, but that's not where I want to go. I'll >> just do it the old-fashioned way because I want to know what's getting >> installed. > The problem with desktop environments, not limited to MATE, > or Xfce, or Lxde, is that they come with their equivalent > of "accessories" - little programs that you might or might > not need. If you wish to avoid this, install a graphical > file manager and a window manager, but keep in mind that > this is _not_ a desktop environment anymore! My only addition beyond that is a programmer's editor with scripting capability. I like old-fashioned EMACS and (sorry about the heresy) replace VI / VIM as the default editor. > I tend to do this because I wish to have control over what > is being installed, and I also use software from any "GUI > lands" which are part of the Linux and UNIX experience: > KDE programs, Gtk programs, and I don't care about "visual > consistency" - it has been gone, it no longer exists, not > even on the Mac (and "Windows" has said goodbye to it > long time ago). So I only need to required libraries, but > not the stuff a full desktop would include. I hadn't even gone that far. For me, it wouldn't be the 'visual consistency' that I'd be worried about, it'd be the underlying GUI/WM library hooks. > For example, I have a "service system" that runs FreeBSD > with the IceWM window manager (theme "metal2"), plus the > program wbar (Warlock bar), and a Mac background image. > It looks very expensive, and I tend to start all the > different Gtk / Qt / ... programs via terminal, except > for those already present in wbar (typical stuff like > Firefox, an audio mixer, WiFi manager, LibreOffice and > so on). I don't even go that far. That's why I keep Ubuntu 18 around. :) I just don't choose to fight it any more, as you describe in your next paragraph. :) > Most desktop environments have moved to "let's include > everything, maybe someone needs it, and when it's not > there they'll complain" approach. "Old-fashioned" desktops > like Mate or Cinnamon have quite good control over what > additional parts to install, Gnome 3, in my opinion, does > not fit: even though you can configure a lot, it feels > like you have to fight the system to make it do what you > want, instead a system supporting your workflow. Exactly! -- Don Wilde **************************************************** * What is the Internet of Things but a system * * of systems including humans? * ****************************************************
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