From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 26 17:40:56 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29FEA16A4CE for ; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 17:40:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from makeworld.com (makeworld.com [216.201.118.142]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23D2F43D3F for ; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 17:40:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from racerx@makeworld.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.com [127.0.0.1]) by makeworld.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5683460E2; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 11:40:54 -0600 (CST) Received: from makeworld.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (makeworld.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 83085-06; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 11:40:49 -0600 (CST) Received: from [216.201.118.138] (racerx.makeworld.com [216.201.118.138]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by makeworld.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 547AA60DB; Sat, 26 Mar 2005 11:40:48 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <42459ED1.8040805@makeworld.com> Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 11:41:37 -0600 From: Chris User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050313) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: em1897@aol.com References: <200503251653.j2PGr3j01842@clunix.cl.msu.edu> <8C6FF97EBDFE0EC-A44-3796E@mblk-d34.sysops.aol.com> <9e46c99e05032514415054a44e@mail.gmail.com> <4244962A.6090607@makeworld.com> <8C700348197B88C-EAC-39749@mblk-d17.sysops.aol.com> <42458C4C.9040603@makeworld.com> <8C700417DCC63B0-380-38F13@mblk-d39.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8C700417DCC63B0-380-38F13@mblk-d39.sysops.aol.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.90.1.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by ClamAV 0.75.1/amavisd-new-2.2.1 (20041222) at makeworld.com - Isn't it ironic cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: A Riddle X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: racerx@makeworld.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 17:40:56 -0000 em1897@aol.com wrote: > --- Chris wrote: > >> em1897@aol.com wrote: >> > Hmm, I wonder if the lack of performance, or the >> unwanted >> > emails were more heavily weighted in the >> decision? >> > >> > If there was any intelligent life on the list you >> could >> > counter what you call "Trolls" with solid technical >> > arguments. This reminds me of the old bsdi >> > list. A bunch of half-wits who are just happy >> > to belong to something and have other half-wits >> > to correspond with. >> > >> > FreeBSD used to have open discussions between >> > users and developers and it used to be real >> > good. Now it sucks and the developers are >> > detached, off in their own little world. See >> > a pattern? >> > >> > But with a user base from places like gnu-rox.org >> > and makeworld.com, what do you expect I >> > guess? >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Xavier Maillard >> > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >> > Sent: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 12:43:35 +0100 >> > Subject: Re: A Riddle >> > >> > On 25 Mar 2005, Chris wrote: >> > >> >> If we're to prove a point to those that name >> call, are rude, >> >> troll, and all the other recent events, we must >> do so on our >> >> level. Allow them to spew what ever it is they >> spew, and we >> >> must simply either ignore it (the correct way >> imho) Kill em >> >> with kindness, OR, reply in such a fashion that >> the user has no >> >> idea what we're saying. >> >> >> >> Let's stop the erosion of this list now before it >> goes too far. >> >> >> >> Over and out... >> > >> > >> > I totally agree. This plus other things are the >> reasons why I >> > chose to switch to another OS. >> >> Users that Insult people that offer help (good or >> bad) says much about >> that user. >> >> The tactic at hand (at least with the user that top >> posts) is to do >> nothing more then what it is hoping to do - incite >> anger *Sigh* >> >> Oh well - most of us are certainly above that. > > > I don't agree. The spread of disinformation is > like allowing a cancer to go untreated. There > are a lot of people recommending a very poorly > implemented OS because of the propaganda > disseminated here. People's jobs and businesses > are at stake. People waste a tremendous amount > of time (me included) based on the ridiculously > inaccurate comments made by people on this > list. > > And like with alchoholism, the first step is > admitting that you have a problem. If you're > going to keep RA-RAing this "effort", then > you are part of the problem. You can make > a person "Angry" by calling him a loser. But > if the shoe fits, it may very well need to > be said to get him off his butt. > > As an aside, all of the major web mail providers > default to "top posting". Google (ever hear > of them?) only shows the top N lines of a post. > So if you bottom post, you don't see the message > you want to see > without having to make an effort. So when are > you troglodytes going to climb out of your > 1994 hibernations and get with the times? > You may prefer one over the other, but its > hardly a capital offense to do otherwise. Most > of us have evolved out of our unix newsreaders. > Anyone with a brain is using web mail for > mailing lists these days: no more whining > about spam or "wasted bandwidth". We love you. Have a great day! -- Best regards, Chris Program design philosophy: Start at the beginning and continue until the end, then stop.