From owner-freebsd-chat Sat May 5 20:37:11 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from lariat.org (lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C6B137B424 for ; Sat, 5 May 2001 20:37:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from mustang.lariat.org (IDENT:ppp0.lariat.org@lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA12302; Sat, 5 May 2001 21:37:00 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010505212911.00c3d3a0@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 21:36:44 -0600 To: Joe Warner , "G. Adam Stanislav" , chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: Is Brett Glass to easy on RMS? In-Reply-To: <01050521265200.00648@blackmirror.xmission.com> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010505205342.00c3d2a0@localhost> <3.0.6.32.20010505194927.00875100@mail85.pair.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20010505205342.00c3d2a0@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 09:16 PM 5/5/2001, Joe Warner wrote: >I hear you but IMO, whether it's BSD or Linux, we're all part of >the Open Source community Actually, Richard Stallman himself says that GPLed software is NOT open source. (See Dave Winer's essay at http://davenet.userland.com/2000/09/15/whatIsOpenSource and also RMS' own remarks on the FSF Web site.) And, despite the hand-waving of ESR and a few others, the GPL actually violates Point 6 of the Open Source Definition in that it discriminates -- very much so! -- against a group of people and a field of endeavor. GPLed software is not open source. >and I think it's high time to bury the >hatchet. This rings especially true to me after re-reading Craig >Mundie's speech that condemns aspects of Open Source. I get >more agitated each time I read it. Mundie's speech is irritating to me too, most especially because it intertwines some very valid points (It's true, for example, that "give-it-all-away" business models are foolish) with some obvious falsehoods. But the GPL, and Stallman's essays on the FSF site, do the same! As Adam has pointed out, Microsoft and the FSF are two sides of the same coin. Both are power-hungry and are out to hurt and to mislead. BSD should claim the ethical high ground here. When BSD says it's free software, it really means it. No nonsense about "free speech" vs. "free beer," or "keeping" software free by keeping it away from people who need it. BSD is free software. GPLed software isn't. --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message