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"Rodney W. Grimes" wrote in message ID
<199909261756.KAA10120@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net>:
> [CC redirect to -chat, users left intact]

> Should a BOF at BSDCon be asked for to discuss these issues?  I think
> it would make for a hot and heated BOF with lots of understanding
> by both the ISP and user community about where the current state of the
> art is headed with respect to filtering, redirection, and other tools
> being applied to combat the spam problem.

> I know there is one talk by jmb about spam, the past 5 years or something
> along that line already.  But this is such a hot topic that I am not sure
> if he is going to get into what is currently being done, and what some of
> the plans are.
> 
> I also think that the open forum of a BOF would allow the implementers,
> people like Paul Vixie, jmb, you, myself, etc to get a lot of input from
> the general user community at large.

I think an anti-spam BOF (or BOFH? :) ) would be a great idea.  Its
clear that this is a very touchy subject (heh, yes, I read NANAE :) ),
and it would definately be illuminating for both customers and
providers.

Jordan, is there a BOF organizer for FreeBSD CON?  Or is it just a
organize it as you go structure?  Do we even have rooms reserved for
the evenings where BOFs could be held?

(And, no, I'm not volunteering :) )

> This is what I was alluding to when I wrote:
> ipfw add 10251 divert ${SMARTRELAYHANDLER} tcp from any to any 25 out via lnc
> 1

> It's a layer 3 redirection of outbound SMTP attempts that would in effect
> force the mail through our smart host without the customer even knowing
> that we did it other than by header examination.  At this point the
> idea is just that, an idea.  We will implement it if the current policy
> does not solve the problem.  This is one of the reasons we prefer running
> a *BSD boarder router over a Cisco, we can do these things easily.

Unfortunately, I don't know a BSD box that can handle aggregating OC3
or higher :(  You fast run into the PCI bus wall.  That and our routing
ppl sorta like Cisco, for some unknown reason.


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