From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Feb 9 07:35:39 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4488E22FEAC for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2020 07:35:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ihor@antonovs.family) Received: from mail.antonovs.family (mail.antonovs.family [100.25.240.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48Fgn56zWwz3Jhn for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2020 07:35:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ihor@antonovs.family) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.antonovs.family (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE4BB138BAA for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2020 07:35:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.antonovs.family ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.antonovs.family [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id sM0Cvnsc6Hic for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2020 07:35:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.antonovs.family (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BE11138BB3 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2020 07:35:31 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.10.3 mail.antonovs.family 7BE11138BB3 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=antonovs.family; s=D65AA412-CB7F-11E9-A561-802C9D403B77; t=1581233731; bh=RuwyQbNBji9aw9GTI3vE7v/Z4MOAel+JsUUQfzs9s20=; h=Date:From:To:Message-ID:MIME-Version; b=YUvTi50ACvu+koq5uI57uNdV7B1AMYcz6ZdZlUhYry13NhVTiNFZqiuIoIKx15IgU HxR1E71qf+OPpyud5+0LI8a5GKVlyaFu8MaeGbUdxQLbPOHuIsn5r5KvC9i5keYzO7 C+9/s9sYUhXv8wbxAppItYagsfgbcYdfyHGXBEbsLEqbxuVYLhadBMWSdDXJHfGHZe O095vwhhFqn4BE2K8Ng3ZM3BFfQ8QEI+lnejZbn0mGMewW8LcAZ8BQG0y2+vLnNlqs qdzIFe+EmMfQjBZEJixTAnU3qozUz9KJSCrJi0dtudVfDUqbFLjP4HhCwM2n5rh/ce Z1Ny2qSXIi/6g== X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at antonovs.family Received: from mail.antonovs.family ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.antonovs.family [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id 2BMWkxkvzpmj for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2020 07:35:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (c-73-83-210-79.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [73.83.210.79]) by mail.antonovs.family (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 27D68138BAA for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2020 07:35:31 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2020 23:35:28 -0800 From: Ihor Antonov To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Difficulties of LibreSSL in base Message-ID: <20200209073528.247mb7f4ctvn4w7f@sea-ll-10936> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 48Fgn56zWwz3Jhn X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=antonovs.family header.s=D65AA412-CB7F-11E9-A561-802C9D403B77 header.b=YUvTi50A; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=antonovs.family; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ihor@antonovs.family designates 100.25.240.195 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ihor@antonovs.family X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.75 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[antonovs.family:s=D65AA412-CB7F-11E9-A561-802C9D403B77]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[6]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; IP_SCORE(-3.25)[ip: (-8.95), ipnet: 100.24.0.0/13(-4.22), asn: 14618(-3.04), country: US(-0.05)]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[antonovs.family:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[antonovs.family,none]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:14618, ipnet:100.24.0.0/13, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[79.210.83.73.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.10] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2020 07:35:39 -0000 Hi evereyone! I was researching the possibility of building base with LibreSSL (and without OpenSSL) and I found a few outdated references on the wiki [1, 2]. HardenedBSD and LibreBSD [3, 4] projects also seem to have tried following that path. But according to git HardenedBSD have hardly updated LibreSSL in 2 years, and the project does not claim to have LibreBSD in base [5] So before diving into the weeds I decided to ask community what dragons live down that road? What are the challenges? Have anybody succeeded in builing base with LibreSSL with recent version (12 or 13)? And if yes what advice can you give me? Thanks! [1] https://wiki.freebsd.org/LibreSSL#Base [2] https://wiki.freebsd.org/LibreSSL/Base [3] https://github.com/HardenedBSD/hardenedBSD/tree/hardened/current/master/crypto [4] https://github.com/Sp1l/LibreBSD/tree/releng/11.2/crypto [5] https://hardenedbsd.org/content/easy-feature-comparison ------------ Ihor Antonov From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Feb 9 08:10:02 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F20AE230CB2 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2020 08:10:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bennett@sdf.org) Received: from mx.sdf.org (mx.sdf.org [205.166.94.20]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mx.sdf.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48FhXn6Lhzz3KrX for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2020 08:10:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bennett@sdf.org) Received: from sdf.org (IDENT:bennett@miku.sdf.org [205.166.94.6]) by mx.sdf.org (8.15.2/8.14.5) with ESMTPS id 01989x48019946 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256 bits) verified NO); Sun, 9 Feb 2020 08:09:59 GMT Received: (from bennett@localhost) by sdf.org (8.15.2/8.12.8/Submit) id 01989xgi025440; Sun, 9 Feb 2020 02:09:59 -0600 (CST) From: Scott Bennett Message-Id: <202002090809.01989xgi025440@sdf.org> Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2020 02:09:59 -0600 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re updating BIOS Cc: ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com User-Agent: Heirloom mailx 12.5 6/20/10 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 48FhXn6Lhzz3KrX X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of bennett@sdf.org has no SPF policy when checking 205.166.94.20) smtp.mailfrom=bennett@sdf.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.32 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.98)[-0.982,0]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.30)[ip: (-0.93), ipnet: 205.166.94.0/24(-0.46), asn: 14361(-0.03), country: US(-0.05)]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sdf.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.94)[-0.938,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[20.94.166.205.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.10.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:14361, ipnet:205.166.94.0/24, country:US]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[rocketmail.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2020 08:10:03 -0000 On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 21:04:23 +0100 Ralf Mardorf wrote: >On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 20:54:26 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >>On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 11:24:48 -0800, Martin Glazer wrote: >>>Freedoms is the correct program. I use it. Good luck >> >>FreeDOS probably was required to update a PC BIOS, the time when I >>didn't use a PC, but a C64 or Atari ST. IOW that was a long, long time >>ago. I'm not aware of any 64 bit architecture PC, that requires >>more than a FAT 32 formatted device, to update the BIOS or UEFI thingy. >>IIRC I even updated a decades old 32 bit machine, just by using a FAT >>32 partition. That time the computer just supported PATA (IDE), no SATA >>and I still used a floppy disk for some purposes. AFAIK updates on even >>relatively aged machines doesn't require an operating sytsem at all, it >>could be done by the BIOS and a FAT 32 partitioned device. It's just >>important to read the vendor's hints. Sometimes updating from a very >>old release to the latest release might brick the machine, it might >>be required to upgrade from one release to another and IIRC sometimes >>it could be impossible to downgrade, if an upgrade should suffer from a >>regression. > >FreeDOS is not a program, it's an operating system. The first part of the above, mispunctuated pair of sentences is correct, but the latter part is not. FreeDOS, like PC-DOS and MSDOS before it, is/was not an operating system, but rather a more primitive creature known as a monitor system. It offered no access methods, scheduling, or storage separation (whether through storage protection keys, protective mapping in address translation tables, or some other method), or accounting, any one of which might have been grounds to argue that it was an operating system. >For my Atari ST's 80286 hardware emulator I used DR-DOS >[ https://i.imgur.com/lx5pucp.jpg ]. > I recall only three OS that ran in native protected mode on 80286 machines: IBM's OS/2 version 1, Microport's UNIX System V/AT, and XENIX/AT by...hmmm...I think possibly Micro$lop, but I no longer remember for sure. None of these was terribly usable because of the hardware limitation of potentially thousands of small address spaces per process. All address spaces were limited to a maximum of 65535 bytes in a segment and segments were *not* contiguous in any sense, but were essentially separate address spaces. But they were interesting to play with at the time. Scott Bennett, Comm. 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John Hancock, New York Journal, 28 January 1790 * ********************************************************************** From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Feb 9 08:41:21 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F49923176B for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2020 08:41:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48FjDw1fmnz3M5W for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2020 08:41:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1581237680; x=1583829680; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=5LaWb4oUaW2xJbbl22uzGcOlMyJsXzzkmkVtGQ0cMJc=; b=ssftAjVKALdz/dwDe0ZPQbqUH2de3oQI0UOc+h2kfllpjzqyvPiJkYcCN5tLyadQ9QiOkY4s3yJJRjVxE+kzOEDJOlYZRZ2yKYW5EHQvgmggkO+8B8Ho6JfR+P0QdWy2xg1UDQGc0d0OZuAfJx9nWNexl/XPVC/tKGy01Gj167A= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi42ZTAwMDAwMmE0Njk4Yy5mcmVlYnNkLXF1ZXN0aW9ucz1mcmVlYnNkLm9yZw== Received: from r4.h.in.socketlabs.com (s1-b40f.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.180.15]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Sun, 9 Feb 2020 03:41:14 -0500 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [185.202.17.215]) by r4.h.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Sun, 9 Feb 2020 03:41:13 -0500 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.92.3 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1j0i9Q-0006EA-0r for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 09 Feb 2020 08:41:12 +0000 Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2020 08:41:11 +0000 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Re updating BIOS Message-Id: <20200209084111.8d9764a128bab47ee1c19a86@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <202002090809.01989xgi025440@sdf.org> References: <202002090809.01989xgi025440@sdf.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.0) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 48FjDw1fmnz3M5W X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=email-od.com header.s=dkim header.b=ssftAjVK; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com designates 142.0.176.198 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.87 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.98)[-0.982,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[email-od.com:s=dkim]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:142.0.176.0/20]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sohara.org]; FORGED_SENDER_VERP_SRS(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; IP_SCORE(0.11)[ip: (-0.32), ipnet: 142.0.176.0/22(0.63), asn: 7381(0.30), country: US(-0.05)]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[email-od.com:+]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[198.176.0.142.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.15.0]; ENVFROM_VERP(0.00)[]; FORGED_SENDER(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2020 08:41:21 -0000 On Sun, 09 Feb 2020 02:09:59 -0600 Scott Bennett wrote: > The first part of the above, mispunctuated pair of sentences is > correct, but the latter part is not. FreeDOS, like PC-DOS and MSDOS > before it, is/was not an operating system, but rather a more primitive > creature known as a monitor system. The DOS part of those names is an abbreviation of 'Disc Operating System' - clearly at the time they were considered operating systems even though they started life as near clones of CP/M (Control Program/Monitor). IBM 360 mainframes didn't have virtual memory, processes or any of the protections you mentioned, it didn't even have anything that would be recognised as a filesystem today (it had record oriented datasets) - but OS360 was definitely considered an operating system. [MS/PC/DR/Free]DOS was a lot more like a mainframe batch operating system than a multi-user multi-tasking operating system such as Multics or unix, but hijacking the term operating system to mean only the latterm, and that only with hardware supported isolation mechanisms is revisionist. I recall working on a unix(ish) system in the late 1980s that didn't have hardware memory mapping or protection, or even fsck which made recovering from (the frequent) crashes rather tedious (icheck, ncheck ...). -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Feb 9 10:13:45 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 811AF233B10 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2020 10:13:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.24]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48FlHW3z3Jz3x4v for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2020 10:13:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([178.8.37.143]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue107 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MsIfc-1joZ3u1ePa-00tmgW; Sun, 09 Feb 2020 11:13:40 +0100 Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2020 11:13:39 +0100 From: Polytropon To: "Steve O'Hara-Smith" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Re updating BIOS Message-Id: <20200209111339.6e42f4b8.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20200209084111.8d9764a128bab47ee1c19a86@sohara.org> References: <202002090809.01989xgi025440@sdf.org> <20200209084111.8d9764a128bab47ee1c19a86@sohara.org> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:t85JHYP6PeiMz2hvOXOjrwFST7x9ml0uZ+SXkamu3bQZKSbhDQQ 6zRe5i+D+q4FUCswitSOyc1VzLAlXHiNwwQkN92JbuOBg8DFglLYPVHnjYs0a8/xbLCEgpr xNauZqUcL6l2Pp/3S0B+aBVkZ2V8VNcqwbCGRiEoScBG1xQ01RaiGnxDF4S8es5Xs5XmkHe 6C6oB5y/p+dfUITydXEdg== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:4sfXnnB+ZLA=:TA9kjCtMBujg2GsKvAUain ghYJTJFbbWiV9uH2DoipsZFJsMbW7aX//wr2KmP5sewjuuoVap1q1CYYlVIjgsr8PbsYZjzed wCTgcAqeHcjNcRTZG/jeJSlqCadkv8xk1nYQC9g2skj3ViCw2TXIBUoVY9XdyfiPBew9GbYM1 xfiKKBA+L7j51oH7t5la1RH+f027wErp0Yp2aLhuHPogDlN/NoCjCutTdl0ntisQ6FU8rz+Cl 5+Z99Xhe3S8qL02lFqjdjOvHmSSx6rsnuTS/+Vq15P1yCtHf9Jwgy8d4wHbPlB2hCjtAUB2Ie BV1zPCmf6guMyWwDNSxkPOHzmKwysZpQD59fe7vqe/J0eHn3ZlUZhRPKT843TnntcX11azGRW x5r8U6k7vVoLFsdaSxoAjkvYlMckSMBGhveimTXBKP3OxSk7HqjMnSO2wuVN3wYcPgFaV6JnW etryk1ZQvOHYD5BBcyXOsQ+tHcg++9Xtxxlj6n0oOhxKv5xZrpy34gKqpyspsxw4TNZnMPnrM LddIx7BQdPgboCGnMHnCieWocAsi6cZkLoo9/qK2oATlLgOKTW19+rpOx5/PU/svV0QryaD2K ErPaUpg/MGKY0Au8DkJ3D9J79Z4DqpJ24FPCE3RxPoHyvqUHcv3EwMCd7uiUfHzdWhY0eTLI6 RdOvKiJ2pi6tEiTjcrtSK/nqJm+7zWMuTOlN8JtzUDLjgCxAxf4HAJRWMC5HCcMzZ+UX7lmQI fMjPIUydk3nAgzUvpQ6wV7RbQYIySGdvpprlup7B0plqt8Qy/23NJhuXaL9NI1pb0JHG60Kom QUiMBfeyqgw4gV09UVteObUBBU8jQRfr5Pqal7BN03OcNXBrCRpLRB5GL6/ymurAR8QsAzz X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 48FlHW3z3Jz3x4v X-Spamd-Bar: +++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@edvax.de has no SPF policy when checking 212.227.17.24) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@edvax.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [3.07 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[143.37.8.178.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.11]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.48)[-0.481,0]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[0.995,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[24.17.227.212.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; IP_SCORE(0.16)[ip: (-0.31), ipnet: 212.227.0.0/16(-1.11), asn: 8560(2.23), country: DE(-0.02)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2020 10:13:45 -0000 On Sun, 9 Feb 2020 08:41:11 +0000, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > On Sun, 09 Feb 2020 02:09:59 -0600 > Scott Bennett wrote: > > > The first part of the above, mispunctuated pair of sentences is > > correct, but the latter part is not. FreeDOS, like PC-DOS and MSDOS > > before it, is/was not an operating system, but rather a more primitive > > creature known as a monitor system. > > The DOS part of those names is an abbreviation of 'Disc Operating > System' - [...] The common way of spelling here is "disk"; "disc" usually refers to optical media. Smaller disks were called diskettes. For example, the first prominent use of DOS was "IBM Disk Operating System /360", or DOS/360, whose naming convention was later used for microcomputer operating systems based on the use of hard disks or diskettes, even though the "conceptual bowels" of those microcomputer and PC operating systems have more in common with CP/CMS than with DOS/360. > [...] clearly at the time they were considered operating systems even > though they started life as near clones of CP/M (Control Program/Monitor). > IBM 360 mainframes didn't have virtual memory, processes or any of the > protections you mentioned, it didn't even have anything that would be > recognised as a filesystem today (it had record oriented datasets) - but > OS360 was definitely considered an operating system. It even carried that intention in its name. ;-) There are many different criteria (without a common consensus) of what actually makes an operating system. Some consider the compiler a required part of the OS, others don't. Some say that process monitoring and control needs to be part of the OS, others consider it optional. Personally, I'd say that understanding DOS (for the PC) as an operating system is valid, sure, with limited capabilities, but seen in the context of the time it was developed and used, it surely fulfilled the critera usually used in the microcomputer and PC area. > [MS/PC/DR/Free]DOS was a lot more like a mainframe batch operating > system than a multi-user multi-tasking operating system such as Multics or > unix, but hijacking the term operating system to mean only the latterm, and > that only with hardware supported isolation mechanisms is revisionist. I > recall working on a unix(ish) system in the late 1980s that didn't have > hardware memory mapping or protection, or even fsck which made recovering > from (the frequent) crashes rather tedious (icheck, ncheck ...). A little sidenote regarding terminology in context of history: If I remember correctly, early versions of CP/M, which is the primary predecessor of all the DOSes, inherited a lot from CP/CMS, an operating system typically run using the VM operating system (we would probably call VM/370 a hypervisor today), even though it was possible, at least for some time, to run CMS on bare metal. During further development, it became dependent on VM. The user-facing part of CMS was the CP, the control program (that's why CP/CMS means "control program / conversational monitor system). It had things later known in CP/M, such as the dialog-oriented command line interface, and "Minidisks" - those became "drive letters" in CP/M, as well as filenames associated with specific data sets (mamaged through VM and its virtualization of storage and access). Later, DOS inherited the drive letters and many other conceptual ideas from CP/M. So - yes, the past is still alive. NB: DOSes = plural of DOS; DOS/ES = an operating system. ;-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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[174.109.225.250]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id i72sm3817094ywg.49.2020.02.09.03.30.25 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Sun, 09 Feb 2020 03:30:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (HP-ENVY [192.168.0.102]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 48Fn0014ghz2KNf for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2020 06:30:24 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2020 06:30:05 -0500 From: Jerry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Re updating BIOS Message-ID: <20200209063005.00007ba2@seibercom.net> In-Reply-To: <20200209111339.6e42f4b8.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <202002090809.01989xgi025440@sdf.org> <20200209084111.8d9764a128bab47ee1c19a86@sohara.org> <20200209111339.6e42f4b8.freebsd@edvax.de> Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.4 (GTK+ 2.24.32; i686-w64-mingw32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; boundary="Sig_/6fG1b8aK05Y7._OnKzT5EiH"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 48Fn042NFVz41sV X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=seibercom.net header.s=google header.b=cmTnY1Ur; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jerry@seibercom.net designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::c30 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jerry@seibercom.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.17 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[seibercom.net:+]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-2.57)[ip: (-9.11), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-1.97), asn: 15169(-1.73), country: US(-0.05)]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[250.225.109.174.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.10]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_TO_ADDR(5.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[seibercom.net:s=google]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[seibercom.net]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[0.3.c.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2020 11:30:29 -0000 --Sig_/6fG1b8aK05Y7._OnKzT5EiH Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 9 Feb 2020 11:13:39 +0100, Polytropon commented: >On Sun, 9 Feb 2020 08:41:11 +0000, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: >> On Sun, 09 Feb 2020 02:09:59 -0600 >> Scott Bennett wrote: This thread has gone completely off track and no longer has anything to do with the mechanics of updating a BIOS in a FreeBSD environment. I would suggest it be moved to a new theater if further discussion is desired. --=20 Jerry --Sig_/6fG1b8aK05Y7._OnKzT5EiH Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEIQb/tTwl6I1ueEVtOHMGOIfexWQFAl4/7UUACgkQOHMGOIfe xWRO+Af/e1KjoTkBSlwJf2zgdwekvkyP760HYGWyxGCjz+RdoABvXK9UkbMC+VdP sXwbQ7uBNHwnXr1ZoW6APTtab5iQ2c053iouRgWJxOBu0LdhwfNU7spKAxxHGPiP N2hldcVLmmNkHRnuv8J4wiJd467h1UvpptaNzVIjpshbgrFhQXmxl57jE2XwhEIx CaVOADVR096I1aDMX77rwGxjHyHvN69oBA2irRoaiGGzms6AXCS6kbkBLoyE2Rpi 2TOlikgOvvWYfoTRq604FRaGR4zbn606rVHcEmuCFG5TMPOqVmBepi4Tm3N7xvxr mKWq9n2HM/mHCB7IExwzRG7dxzPJhQ== =hdNL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/6fG1b8aK05Y7._OnKzT5EiH-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Feb 9 11:52:27 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC8C6236152 for ; 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On Sun, 9 Feb 2020 11:13:39 +0100, Polytropon wrote: >Personally, I'd say that understanding DOS (for the PC) as an >operating system is valid, sure, with limited capabilities, >but seen in the context of the time it was developed and used, >it surely fulfilled the critera usually used in the microcomputer >and PC area. Hi, I still disagree with Scott. IMO Steve and Polytropon put it straight. Is a biological virus (not a computer virus) a form of life or a thing? It depends on the definition of living things and things, as well as the understanding of different kinds of viruses. To me the "importance" and the "impact" in a historical context are part of a definition. To me MS- and DR-DOS are operating systems and to me a biological virus is a life form, even while I'm aware, that a virus doesn't fit to almost all definitions of a life form. Regards, Ralf From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Feb 9 14:23:20 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF90223A699 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2020 14:23:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from graahnul.grom@ya.ru) Received: from forward101o.mail.yandex.net (forward101o.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:1a2d::601]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48FrqW3Scgz4CLq for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2020 14:23:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from graahnul.grom@ya.ru) Received: from mxback19o.mail.yandex.net (mxback19o.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:1a2d::70]) by forward101o.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id 11E953C003AF for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2020 17:23:15 +0300 (MSK) Received: from myt6-efff10c3476a.qloud-c.yandex.net (myt6-efff10c3476a.qloud-c.yandex.net [2a02:6b8:c12:13a3:0:640:efff:10c3]) by mxback19o.mail.yandex.net (mxback/Yandex) with ESMTP id Rm17UmUMBy-NE4mCjKw; Sun, 09 Feb 2020 17:23:15 +0300 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ya.ru; s=mail; t=1581258195; bh=SrTn+Vq0ziHYtoDu3bX9RUDvBbeU9Zhc1m5Zz5diRBM=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID; b=d6263EFTchu6gc8c/N8dwPenCSfi+H1KtS8p2hQhNaAKN7/vOoXPlOq+M5wdR8BQZ GtnNJcYKSgLuWPf2m24M7vzokfYiMuVoR48yTQFhXRyEoubGp2ddKSQNDmTF9OfxUd ZrjGdQEfvZv5tPWcdMTTChTbX3rcWIVZLif1ZcW0= Received: by myt6-efff10c3476a.qloud-c.yandex.net (smtp/Yandex) with ESMTPSA id Uv6ycKgK6A-NE3SoX9X; Sun, 09 Feb 2020 17:23:14 +0300 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client certificate not present) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2020 17:23:12 +0300 From: dmn To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: No sound by default on FreeBSD-12.1-p2-amd64 Message-ID: <20200209172312.5fa99031@demon> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.4 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.3) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 48FrqW3Scgz4CLq X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=ya.ru header.s=mail header.b=d6263EFT; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=ya.ru; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of graahnul.grom@ya.ru designates 2a02:6b8:0:1a2d::601 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=graahnul.grom@ya.ru X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.50 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a02:6b8:0:1000::/52]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[ya.ru]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[ya.ru:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[ya.ru,none]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (-9.69), ipnet: 2a02:6b8::/32(-4.74), asn: 13238(-3.82), country: RU(0.01)]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[ya.ru]; ASN(0.00)[asn:13238, ipnet:2a02:6b8::/32, country:RU]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FAKE_REPLY(1.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[ya.ru:s=mail]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[1.0.6.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.d.2.a.1.0.0.0.0.8.b.6.0.2.0.a.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2020 14:23:20 -0000 Hi Dmitrii, I've found that you reported this problem (with the same hardware: DN2820FYKH, NUC5PPYH) back in 2016 on the TrueOS github issue tracker [1], and it was solved with sysctl dev.hdac.0.polling=1. So, does this problem start to appear again only with the latest FreeBSD release (12.1)? Did you try to reproduce it on TrueOS recently? [1] https://github.com/trueos/trueos-core/issues/8 Regards, Dmitry. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Feb 9 16:31:24 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD94E23CBCD for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2020 16:31:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpostolov@yandex.ru) Received: from forward103j.mail.yandex.net (forward103j.mail.yandex.net [5.45.198.246]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48FvgH1MyZz4JXG for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2020 16:31:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpostolov@yandex.ru) Received: from mxback27g.mail.yandex.net (mxback27g.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:1472:2741:0:8b7:327]) by forward103j.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id D3D33674005C for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2020 19:31:19 +0300 (MSK) Received: from localhost (localhost [::1]) by mxback27g.mail.yandex.net (mxback/Yandex) with ESMTP id 3eZEcIUM4z-VJFOs1ku; Sun, 09 Feb 2020 19:31:19 +0300 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.ru; s=mail; t=1581265879; bh=ZP/iDHpb6pA3hs5mikfPVcl3TclU8ptTNbJCwAryS+w=; h=References:Date:Message-Id:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From; b=ZE1Dj0HZ9cuzEQ4+MSa61awFtQ4eL3IOgVANTkvEP/oUaJ5xAOEAOZcKIuJrurGZs RgY3HT25yelusYO8B534JhQPPsOIU41M4G5CVtigGcjuHYvoZyh9NvXa3KauBaodpI 2IKluHHqdWYLH8opLp/k8x8KtanHdpYEgdLHwjtY= Received: by iva4-35f072fa8e4e.qloud-c.yandex.net with HTTP; Sun, 09 Feb 2020 19:31:19 +0300 From: Dmitrii Postolov To: dmn , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" In-Reply-To: <20200209172312.5fa99031@demon> References: <20200209172312.5fa99031@demon> Subject: Re: No sound by default on FreeBSD-12.1-p2-amd64 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Yamail [ http://yandex.ru ] 5.0 Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2020 21:31:19 +0500 Message-Id: <11160531581265879@iva4-35f072fa8e4e.qloud-c.yandex.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 48FvgH1MyZz4JXG X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=yandex.ru header.s=mail header.b=ZE1Dj0HZ; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=yandex.ru; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dpostolov@yandex.ru designates 5.45.198.246 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=dpostolov@yandex.ru X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.10 / 15.00]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[yandex.ru]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:5.45.192.0/19]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yandex.ru:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[yandex.ru,none]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[ya.ru]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[246.198.45.5.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[yandex.ru]; ASN(0.00)[asn:13238, ipnet:5.45.192.0/18, country:RU]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[yandex.ru.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yandex.ru:s=mail]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[246.198.45.5.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.17]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (-9.56), ipnet: 5.45.192.0/18(-4.86), asn: 13238(-3.82), country: RU(0.01)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2020 16:31:24 -0000 Hi Dmitry, No, this is issue not only for latest FreeBSD 12.1, this is problem for all versions of FreeBSD. TrueOS Project for FreeBSD (12-STABLE) was closed at previous year, but the problem remained in 2019 with TrueOS. Also the problem remained with FuryBSD based on FreeBSD 12.0. I can accept the artifacts of sound under the FreeBSD after dev.hdac.0.polling=1, it just surprises me that under all other OS they are not. 09.02.2020, 19:23, "dmn" : > Hi Dmitrii, > > I've found that you reported this problem (with the same > hardware: DN2820FYKH, NUC5PPYH) back in 2016 on the TrueOS > github issue tracker [1], and it was solved with sysctl > dev.hdac.0.polling=1. So, does this problem start to appear > again only with the latest FreeBSD release (12.1)? Did you > try to reproduce it on TrueOS recently? > > [1] https://github.com/trueos/trueos-core/issues/8 > > Regards, > Dmitry. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" --- best regards, Dmitrii Postolov dpostolov@yandex.ru From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Feb 9 19:30:46 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1C4F23FFE6 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2020 19:30:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from nightmare.dreamchaser.org (ns.dreamchaser.org [66.109.141.57]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "dreamchaser.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48FzfF4FJqz4Rw1 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2020 19:30:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from breakaway.dreamchaser.org (breakaway [192.168.151.122]) by nightmare.dreamchaser.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 019JUhZ2050320 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2020 12:30:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) To: FreeBSD Mailing List Reply-To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org From: Gary Aitken Subject: can't build port because thinks amd64 is i386? Message-ID: Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2020 12:29:23 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.2 (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [192.168.151.101]); Sun, 09 Feb 2020 12:30:43 -0700 (MST) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 48FzfF4FJqz4Rw1 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@dreamchaser.org designates 66.109.141.57 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@dreamchaser.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.50 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@dreamchaser.org]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[dreamchaser.org]; IP_SCORE(-3.20)[ip: (-8.38), ipnet: 66.109.128.0/19(-4.19), asn: 21947(-3.35), country: US(-0.05)]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:21947, ipnet:66.109.128.0/19, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2020 19:30:47 -0000 Trying to build darktable on an amd64 machine: uname -a FreeBSD breakaway.dreamchaser.org 11.3-RELEASE-p6 FreeBSD 11.3-RELEASE-p6 #0: Tue Jan 28 09:37:40 UTC 2020 root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 dmesg: CPU: AMD Phenom(tm) II X4 970 Processor (3511.82-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin="AuthenticAMD" Id=0x100f43 Family=0x10 Model=0x4 Stepping=3 Features=0x178bfbff Features2=0x802009 AMD Features=0xee500800 AMD Features2=0x837ff SVM: NP,NRIP,NAsids=64 TSC: P-state invariant /usr/ports/graphics/darktable # make ===> darktable-2.4.2 is only for amd64, while you are running i386 (reason: uses SSE instructions and 64-bit address space). hints? Thanks, Gary From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Feb 9 19:53:00 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52BCA2406B7 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2020 19:53:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp.rcn.com (smtp.rcn.com [69.168.97.78]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48G07v14gTz4SsR for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2020 19:52:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=rcn.com; s=20180516; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@rcn.com; t=1581277978; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=8ArcHHHr3EMqackcbqOuTE2hM9M=; b=SMLOwKZPzc8ss/Kq5m+pvq0f/AYdF3PvmxAf4Kz+wf4OEKFZ4QJlSZBSpJDddwvS OrTr/b4+8k3RGfy2j+JvxHKNqcWxJAcACkyLge7t1PMHTxvwkUiqXz7uXz75ilFb 2fUuVfooMRDr9onHeEvElSlbOtSUz+tgAl4Bcz/Gpix5CUaETKO3+Ld+/78+7nF6 G0Ztj1dXBE51HbC+NFjuvNFFZu3aphrHnM0wPx4ls5XUHzIc9Y7fk0tM0T+/Pai0 0Y6uv5dcl5usYISWRm9ob2HhR0y13G3Sj/ZI6rkEaxGw02XiLBPNFylAcl0Ied2g giGu81T3rBPc7wGZ45ojyQ==; X_CMAE_Category: , , X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=Z/aS40ZA c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=9TgA2UwI6Wy+6BV4wQM/cQ==:117 a=9TgA2UwI6Wy+6BV4wQM/cQ==:17 a=jpOVt7BSZ2e4Z31A5e1TngXxSK0=:19 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=XRQyMpdBKAEA:10 a=l697ptgUJYAA:10 a=48faUk6PgeAA:10 a=0wQVMjYSAAAA:8 a=s9oXJcMGAAAA:8 a=sIt-5M63AAAA:8 a=Frp4ni5z5bywvbmY3IwA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=ibV0ZHtNwtz4ncopG1mI:22 a=cNNliUDrGJfcKjVfkxUC:22 a=9lllHE19to-vvezgg3ZZ:22 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine X-Authed-Username: cm9iZXJ0aHVmZkByY24uY29t Received: from [209.6.230.48] ([209.6.230.48:33727] helo=jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) by smtp.rcn.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.25.56547 r(Core:3.6.25.0)) with ESMTPSA (cipher=AES256-GCM-SHA384) id 70/D9-09594-913604E5; Sun, 09 Feb 2020 14:52:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <24128.25369.350821.469545@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2020 14:52:57 -0500 From: Robert Huff To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: can't build port because thinks amd64 is i386? In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 8.2.0b under 26.3 (amd64-portbld-freebsd13.0) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 48G07v14gTz4SsR X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=rcn.com header.s=20180516 header.b=SMLOwKZP; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=rcn.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of roberthuff@rcn.com designates 69.168.97.78 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=roberthuff@rcn.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.57 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[rcn.com:s=20180516]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:69.168.97.0/24]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; IP_SCORE(-1.47)[ip: (-9.29), ipnet: 69.168.97.0/24(1.08), asn: 36271(0.89), country: US(-0.05)]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[rcn.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[rcn.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[rcn.com,none]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[78.97.168.69.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36271, ipnet:69.168.97.0/24, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2020 19:53:00 -0000 Gary Aitken writes: > Trying to build darktable on an amd64 machine: > > uname -a > FreeBSD breakaway.dreamchaser.org 11.3-RELEASE-p6 FreeBSD 11.3-RELEASE-p6 #0: Tue Jan 28 09:37:40 UTC 2020 root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 FreeBSD jerusalem.litteratus.org 13.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 13.0-CURRENT #0 r354131: Mon Oct 28 17:27:33 EDT 2019 huff@jerusalem.litteratus.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/amd64.amd64/sys/JERUSALEM amd64 > dmesg: > CPU: AMD Phenom(tm) II X4 970 Processor (3511.82-MHz 686-class CPU) > Origin="AuthenticAMD" Id=0x100f43 Family=0x10 Model=0x4 Stepping=3 > Features=0x178bfbff > Features2=0x802009 > AMD Features=0xee500800 > AMD Features2=0x837ff > SVM: NP,NRIP,NAsids=64 > TSC: P-state invariant CPU: AMD Phenom(tm) II X4 940 Processor (3015.18-MHz K8-class CPU) Origin="AuthenticAMD" Id=0x100f42 Family=0x10 Model=0x4 Stepping=2 Features=0x178bfbff Features2=0x802009 AMD Features=0xee500800 AMD Features2=0x37ff SVM: NP,NRIP,NAsids=64 TSC: P-state invariant I suggest this is a problem with your machine? Respectfully, Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Feb 9 20:11:06 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D687240CA0 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2020 20:11:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48G0Xm71SBz4TjT for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2020 20:11:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1581279065; x=1583871065; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=pdBKIvCX6b2QiHYDCSp4hBIK/8S/BqJS+WoRN32sjLA=; b=Noc6wpX2AfViq2R1v0306LgPXd0jsI/ceGAM8dycuztngT3v/PGP/8VdEQk7DOdEnByKkmDMt40miSfIeKAE0VsrT4BoRgPMkP8IfheoK1WHEVXEbnZ4hgwjmwCcxPyIU001IzkA17SVRJ9Vkw1lyKoogL4EMSnlAG/lGpRExlU= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi42ZTAwMDAwMmIzM2VkMC5mcmVlYnNkLXF1ZXN0aW9ucz1mcmVlYnNkLm9yZw== Received: from r3.sg.in.socketlabs.com (r3.sg.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.179.13]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP; Sun, 9 Feb 2020 15:11:00 -0500 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [185.202.17.215]) by r3.sg.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Sun, 9 Feb 2020 15:11:00 -0500 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.92.3 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1j0suw-0008mc-8a; Sun, 09 Feb 2020 20:10:58 +0000 Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2020 20:10:58 +0000 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: can't build port because thinks amd64 is i386? 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Download and install the amd64 version and all will be well. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Feb 9 21:35:33 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEF32243741 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2020 21:35:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from nightmare.dreamchaser.org (ns.dreamchaser.org [66.109.141.57]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "dreamchaser.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48G2QD13tQz4ZT7 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2020 21:35:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from breakaway.dreamchaser.org (breakaway [192.168.151.122]) by nightmare.dreamchaser.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 019LZTJD050584; Sun, 9 Feb 2020 14:35:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Reply-To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org Subject: Re: can't build port because thinks amd64 is i386? To: "Steve O'Hara-Smith" Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List References: <20200209201058.06325e19cf0c77fcf0f21508@sohara.org> From: Gary Aitken Message-ID: Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2020 14:34:10 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20200209201058.06325e19cf0c77fcf0f21508@sohara.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.2 (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [192.168.151.101]); Sun, 09 Feb 2020 14:35:29 -0700 (MST) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 48G2QD13tQz4ZT7 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@dreamchaser.org designates 66.109.141.57 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@dreamchaser.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.47 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@dreamchaser.org]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[dreamchaser.org]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:21947, ipnet:66.109.128.0/19, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-3.17)[ip: (-8.31), ipnet: 66.109.128.0/19(-4.15), asn: 21947(-3.32), country: US(-0.05)]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2020 21:35:34 -0000 On 2/9/20 1:10 PM, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > On Sun, 9 Feb 2020 12:29:23 -0700 > Gary Aitken wrote: > >> Trying to build darktable on an amd64 machine: >> >> uname -a >> FreeBSD breakaway.dreamchaser.org 11.3-RELEASE-p6 FreeBSD 11.3-RELEASE-p6 >> #0: Tue Jan 28 09:37:40 UTC 2020 >> #root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------^^^^ > > uname -a > FreeBSD holdall 11.3-RELEASE-p6 FreeBSD 11.3-RELEASE-p6 #0: Tue Jan 28 > 09:55:39 UTC 2020 > root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 > > Spot the difference -------------------------------------^^^^^ > > You're running a 32 bit version of FreeBSD on your amd64 processor > so it is running as a 32 bit system. Download and install the amd64 version > and all will be well. Ah, thank you. It was an emergency rebuild and upgrade from a memory stick that must have been for another machine. Thanks. 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[174.109.225.250]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id q6sm4553107ywc.102.2020.02.09.13.58.24 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Sun, 09 Feb 2020 13:58:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from scorpio (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 48G2wb2M0Dz1BHN for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2020 16:58:23 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2020 16:58:15 -0500 From: Jerry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Problem with poudriere and 'BATCH' Message-ID: <20200209165815.506f490a@scorpio> Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.4 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.3) Face: 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 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; boundary="Sig_/r=EL+Zn/dK.vF4U.pP+O3Ph"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 48G2wf4YS7z4bW9 X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=seibercom.net header.s=google header.b=BlrY2jEl; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jerry@seibercom.net designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::b2a as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jerry@seibercom.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.73 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[seibercom.net:+]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; IP_SCORE(-2.63)[ip: (-9.38), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-1.97), asn: 15169(-1.73), country: US(-0.05)]; REPLYTO_EQ_TO_ADDR(5.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[250.225.109.174.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.10]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[seibercom.net:s=google]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[seibercom.net]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[a.2.b.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2020 21:58:28 -0000 --Sig_/r=EL+Zn/dK.vF4U.pP+O3Ph Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am attempting to build the "print/hplip-plugin" port via poudriere. When I attempt to do so, I am greeted with this message: [00:00:07] Ignoring print/hplip-plugin | hplip-plugin-3.19.12: License HPLI= P_PLUGIN needs confirmation, but BATCH is defined I have never encountered this before. How, other than building it sans poud= riere, do I accomplish it. Thanks! --=20 Jerry --Sig_/r=EL+Zn/dK.vF4U.pP+O3Ph Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEIQb/tTwl6I1ueEVtOHMGOIfexWQFAl5AgHgACgkQOHMGOIfe xWT0igf/ZkDMfqPqI71YPIlMOdRogHM3tolqBvThdd7L7tMTR7cD2cZjnNos5CVA CXp+38TvwmKVthGfGN5obKdBY4LX0PnPN0cJm7OsYBb4WEIw66eSczqtE3anCKp7 YDHUS9vdl8CpnS+TraGraLVp7VGU/i8q+SYIL/S9evdBLKDXEKjgA3RLN2bJT5ga cuZJD4y9MrQwQV8I6Z/2hKR24KjDKfmYqT69ImXf043rDiV4tLwpkX4NgrgVyVbI aD2gW7w/3VwX6XADZ08KFeAoaumh1STn+Fsxw1nD7DmmCSEAePlw4kSRfJG9B5Uf TjPhCCalFlSdyjrjmwij2bnc0R4QFA== =IWTw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/r=EL+Zn/dK.vF4U.pP+O3Ph-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Feb 10 06:12:55 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20A6522EE8C for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2020 06:12:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [217.72.192.75]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48GFvB5t2Hz42rd for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2020 06:12:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([94.222.19.213]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue108 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1N79ly-1jYsfo2RAq-017XYS for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2020 07:12:52 +0100 Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2020 07:12:52 +0100 From: Polytropon To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Problem with poudriere and 'BATCH' Message-Id: <20200210071252.ed87d7d4.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20200209165815.506f490a@scorpio> References: <20200209165815.506f490a@scorpio> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:1zfsQ8ezo+3TtVm3XoZckHjVRwP7auKuLzehulrFEIs5HRX4Hwh 9Szke00ioJbYbFkDMDsRFtnNOswAokLplls3gtIE6HZ0jmKJAWZv9AwI6kInDF8OCCip+Eh uKZnYuH6BE4F/qT0DvFe58+ABWguvhly7gmg+nirznp66cmRHNGF0USvVjS0SC5fI8kJPJZ /8aMPHs51/ig5sZz+VU3Q== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:Jh8S7o0kOkg=:fvj+v0dBkm67wAbEMQY966 hMVqjjuHSFkem/d8xj9rDWBRS6+5vxyA9uTuSH4w6WtFmxHNP2o9qW4nIAw+IXgn484DLmH9s 888JWPPAiGIa0hlE4Jf7dOG8f5KoUsxfCHXvohprv3bG0xUnk8OGDTWrLKOu/ceTsB5z4vv27 NN12Y3MzmAJGrvHVDQfmPBMeL7jAXMa8VpEKfmdLDI79joDU7ICk6gb92i96h6c239v6G0HKI cfDsE3NpfPFscyS6c0CrtdMfbXkD9ZuFh1UQNWRzCZb4qrRqL9WmT5S8gp14cXpVzyzTHyWLr k/uYaZvql+0Z+koqOn1GqLgKecCIQoo/S4lSbxhnzGj34x9wwt3PWGVSf3YU/PNPVv5beyxfM RqNkDZdQtprrrJIZgEc4uZaowCdUzx84oa3j1lcgZ5xMwXoNOKP72DKCN00gJDUbX6rJqT00a 9yLeAJ+yCadMmJ3mIFD9TXds+AJjqq56duopNK5UTvXSUNArUkYDgk3bIVKZWRajoL7mhgzf2 YrquRegpvQr0fzuMWlYYfmr3Wli6z38SU/wjJ0i9extqX29EMV01PjQVz2alFOgaZWB4eu4PX BUOoTQMF6hHBAwv5F5PlGBsBhp+eQNAO2ObsAQPmddOyKrU7dC5bwK9HaXO4seFBGXMdZkSN9 UGjb3r3o5rEQ7nH2rpHfVsK4uKaLEKd7VwdJeKu9wsRlP1sUXtThonbcAq54lG4Xv22CR0Cm8 F8lkcuJaiMMJ+c64rBxrDUR198u///XhzoOpkbnpao6pYdy8EHDHzUeJ+zpuC0yBDPi6BTT0P 6C+Eiv14elO0ND4QbF/n9EQfF/SFgET+wSfyO0jyDZn4zes0gM2BZCEgDf0Dn4gCiDM4diW X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 48GFvB5t2Hz42rd X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.99 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.99)[-0.993,0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; REPLY(-4.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2020 06:12:55 -0000 On Sun, 9 Feb 2020 16:58:15 -0500, Jerry wrote: > I am attempting to build the "print/hplip-plugin" port via poudriere. > When I attempt to do so, I am greeted with this message: > > [00:00:07] Ignoring print/hplip-plugin | hplip-plugin-3.19.12: > License HPLIP_PLUGIN needs confirmation, but BATCH is defined > > I have never encountered this before. This is only needed for ports where there is a licensing restriction that requires you to interactively express your consent with the licensing terms. Regular ports do not require this and can therefore be built in batch mode. However, there are a few ports that need this kind of interaction. > How, other than building it sans poudriere, do I accomplish it. In /usr/local/etc/poudriere.d/make.conf, try the following: DISABLE_LICENSES=yes Sadly, I didn't find proper documentation of this option (not in "man 5 make.conf", not in poudriere's material). Maybe it can be found in some locally accessible example file? Please report back if it worked. If it does, I'd say it's worth being included in official poudriere configuration (exept it already is, and I just didn't find it). ;-) References: https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2019-July/285853.html https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/failing-to-compile-audio-teamspeak3-server-with-poudriere.48194/ -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 48GH240cq5z452r X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=k+90uKYm; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of hamdi20193d@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::e31 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=hamdi20193d@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.00 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[1.3.e.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (-9.65), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-1.97), asn: 15169(-1.73), country: US(-0.05)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2020 07:03:57 -0000 I have IPFW enabled like follows: firewall_enable="YES" firewall_quiet="YES" firewall_type="workstation" firewall_logdeny="NO" firewall_allowservices="any" firewall_myservices="53/tcp 53/udp 10025/tcp 10024/tcp 25/tcp 993/tcp 995/tcp 465/tcp 587/tcp 5665/tcp 80/tcp 443/tcp 2053/tcp 3306/tcp" (No rules file, the ones above suits my needs perfectly) How to quickly (and permanently) ban an IP using IPFW without having any log? There's an IP address scanning almost all my services 24/7, would like to permanently ban. Thanks. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Feb 10 07:19:23 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78D22230954 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2020 07:19:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eriklauritsen@yandex.com) Received: from forward105p.mail.yandex.net (forward105p.mail.yandex.net [77.88.28.108]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48GHMs6ljSz45Rg for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2020 07:19:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eriklauritsen@yandex.com) Received: from forward100q.mail.yandex.net (forward100q.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:c0e:4b:0:640:4012:bb97]) by forward105p.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id 9D0EB4D410CE for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2020 10:19:18 +0300 (MSK) Received: from mxback5q.mail.yandex.net (mxback5q.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:c0e:1ba:0:640:b716:ad89]) by forward100q.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id 99DCC7080015 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2020 10:19:18 +0300 (MSK) Received: from localhost (localhost [::1]) by mxback5q.mail.yandex.net (mxback/Yandex) with ESMTP id vx34pX2BYI-JIMaJG19; Mon, 10 Feb 2020 10:19:18 +0300 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.com; s=mail; t=1581319158; bh=+rlrY6wN7goxgj0thigdlkCpRWpG7qTcTs1eiSWsTR0=; h=Message-Id:Date:Subject:To:From; b=QilO8MF7BomjEdb4NYDRFmAU/m6q/e2ylHtkh21tL6vY4A81TRFahDAJdWeS6yK7h maZHHwwO7d5MYxympoVOHaG8I7S+lJeIwpNcAcV6DbepEjXHfzZgSSNdNxhuHO002l Qnd1glmOHM1SRGcpS2RRUhxBeQQCwgYBPXhFl6os= Received: by vla1-b55dfea406f0.qloud-c.yandex.net with HTTP; Mon, 10 Feb 2020 10:19:18 +0300 From: Erik Lauritsen To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Bad ZFS performance on the desktop MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Yamail [ http://yandex.ru ] 5.0 Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2020 07:19:18 +0000 Message-Id: <17394471581319158@vla1-b55dfea406f0.qloud-c.yandex.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 48GHMs6ljSz45Rg X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=yandex.com header.s=mail header.b=QilO8MF7; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=yandex.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of eriklauritsen@yandex.com designates 77.88.28.108 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=eriklauritsen@yandex.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.10 / 15.00]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:77.88.0.0/18]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[yandex.com]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yandex.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[yandex.com,none]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[108.28.88.77.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[yandex.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:13238, ipnet:77.88.0.0/18, country:RU]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yandex.com:s=mail]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (-9.78), ipnet: 77.88.0.0/18(-4.83), asn: 13238(-3.82), country: RU(0.01)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2020 07:19:23 -0000 I normally only use ZFS for a storage server, but decided to give it a try on the desktop. I have installed FreeBSD 12.1 on ZFS root in a mirror with 2 x 1TB drives for desktop usage. The performance is terrible every time I use a browser. I suspected the browser cache to be the problem, so I made a tmpfs and put the cache there, but the problem is that browsers write to disk all the time and not only when using the cache. As soon as I shut down the browser, and I have tried with Firefox and others, then the harddrives stops working (I can hear the noise). The browsers are the worst, but other applications that write some stuff to disk is also not so good. I understand that ZFS has to write every single bit to disk twice because I run a mirror, but I am surprised at the performance penalty and how much these drives keep working. I have monitored ZFS using 'top' and can see that it never eats more than half of my memory, so it's not because I'm out of memory. I'm thinking about getting a couple of SSDs, but then again I use backup meticulously and perhaps ZFS on a single drive or just UFS is better for the desktop? Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Kind regards, Erik From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Feb 10 07:46:09 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A461231303 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2020 07:46:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48GHym1j2Dz46qR for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2020 07:46:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1581320768; x=1583912768; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=NkqNbiynWHM3WF3g8xVs85JGmycOXu25byGvCN2Wld0=; b=EluoBha5U1Az3PX7NvEqEi1rP3czao1pWtp4N3hDjYCpry3Dj8aR0uRSKY+/Xd4bLpbEnHG6R6QUIjs/ELaWVQoRKAza5clgpVCVKijc6kTZK2dwKRETKNHGdCcRdeX669xHLFo+zWUE1cxYckfjp+ekbxiviEGmm/BOxZDNFq8= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi42ZTAwMDAwMmI5ZjZmNy5mcmVlYnNkLXF1ZXN0aW9ucz1mcmVlYnNkLm9yZw== Received: from r2.us-east-2.aws.in.socketlabs.com (r2.us-east-2.aws.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.189.2]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Mon, 10 Feb 2020 02:45:59 -0500 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [185.202.17.215]) by r2.us-east-2.aws.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Mon, 10 Feb 2020 02:45:58 -0500 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.92.3 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1j13lU-000Bmd-0U for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2020 07:45:56 +0000 Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2020 07:45:55 +0000 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Bad ZFS performance on the desktop Message-Id: <20200210074555.7f409476708f05bd10c1efb0@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <17394471581319158@vla1-b55dfea406f0.qloud-c.yandex.net> References: <17394471581319158@vla1-b55dfea406f0.qloud-c.yandex.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.0) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 48GHym1j2Dz46qR X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=email-od.com header.s=dkim header.b=EluoBha5; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com designates 142.0.176.198 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.86 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.97)[-0.974,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[email-od.com:s=dkim]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:142.0.176.0/20]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sohara.org]; FORGED_SENDER_VERP_SRS(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; IP_SCORE(0.11)[ip: (-0.31), ipnet: 142.0.176.0/22(0.62), asn: 7381(0.30), country: US(-0.05)]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[email-od.com:+]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[198.176.0.142.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.15.0]; ENVFROM_VERP(0.00)[]; FORGED_SENDER(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2020 07:46:09 -0000 On Mon, 10 Feb 2020 07:19:18 +0000 Erik Lauritsen wrote: > I have monitored ZFS using 'top' and can see that it never eats > more than half of my memory, so it's not because I'm out of > memory. Is there any sign of swap activity ? This sounds a lot like swap thrashing. > I'm thinking about getting a couple of SSDs, but then again I use > backup meticulously and perhaps ZFS on a single drive or just UFS > is better for the desktop? I'm using ZFS on a single SSD for boot (with everything important mounted from a NAS running a bunch of mirrors), it's fast but I did have to set vfs.zfs.arc_max in /boot/loader.conf (to 2GB on my 8GB machine) in order to stop browsers thrashing swap. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Feb 10 07:50:15 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA4FA231492 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2020 07:50:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trond.endrestol@ximalas.info) Received: from enterprise.ximalas.info (enterprise.ximalas.info [IPv6:2001:700:1100:1::8]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "ximalas.info", Issuer "Hostmaster ximalas.info" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48GJ3V32RYz46xW for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2020 07:50:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trond.endrestol@ximalas.info) Received: from enterprise.ximalas.info (Ximalas@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by enterprise.ximalas.info (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id 01A7nwdM078096 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 10 Feb 2020 08:49:58 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from trond.endrestol@ximalas.info) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=ximalas.info; s=default; t=1581320999; bh=mMXJUlQUlmm1ycZK8/qoT105889niTIYsbYLXyZuRpc=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=G5xzKoKUC7eY2eoby/kPaQfEj+RTbteKtUCYbKb8t39MjGQvLSELTEy2I+1MU/QM/ ZS0E88cDg+lk/0Y7K/kPvzR9tGzTUB+CkRpJIK3nqWBUHO5kww7nW+umKIRtu5fDuT yKcJ6Pnz0ECAsqAPyEJaCaSG4J2RLqlk7prVxntjzL2odl70KZORdGoJFcUISp55JG vw/NuZexAn+jT7Ogo6nyXysi2OKSif5VptHnTjUnGp0C0I+HPmezeHk2Z10TlWPlbI u9rj9GjHDrVXRzu+yeIQbCB+q4YpYPfvwck6hjStSwvfytOISqWqUdhWZGNRRNhAWy fijYjupDZj22Q== Received: from localhost (trond@localhost) by enterprise.ximalas.info (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id 01A7nwwS078093; Mon, 10 Feb 2020 08:49:58 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from trond.endrestol@ximalas.info) X-Authentication-Warning: enterprise.ximalas.info: trond owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2020 08:49:58 +0100 (CET) From: =?UTF-8?Q?Trond_Endrest=C3=B8l?= Sender: Trond.Endrestol@ximalas.info To: Polytropon cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Problem with poudriere and 'BATCH' In-Reply-To: <20200210071252.ed87d7d4.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: References: <20200209165815.506f490a@scorpio> <20200210071252.ed87d7d4.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.22 (BSF 395 2020-01-19) OpenPGP: url=http://ximalas.info/about/tronds-openpgp-public-key MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.2 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on enterprise.ximalas.info X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 48GJ3V32RYz46xW X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=ximalas.info header.s=default header.b=G5xzKoKU; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=ximalas.info; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of trond.endrestol@ximalas.info designates 2001:700:1100:1::8 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=trond.endrestol@ximalas.info X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.03 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[ximalas.info:s=default]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+a]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[ximalas.info:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[ximalas.info,none]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:224, ipnet:2001:700::/32, country:NO]; IP_SCORE(-2.03)[ip: (-8.06), ipnet: 2001:700::/32(-1.35), asn: 224(-0.74), country: NO(-0.01)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2020 07:50:15 -0000 On Mon, 10 Feb 2020 07:12+0100, Polytropon wrote: > On Sun, 9 Feb 2020 16:58:15 -0500, Jerry wrote: > > I am attempting to build the "print/hplip-plugin" port via poudriere. > > When I attempt to do so, I am greeted with this message: > > > > [00:00:07] Ignoring print/hplip-plugin | hplip-plugin-3.19.12: > > License HPLIP_PLUGIN needs confirmation, but BATCH is defined > > > > I have never encountered this before. > > This is only needed for ports where there is a licensing > restriction that requires you to interactively express your > consent with the licensing terms. Regular ports do not > require this and can therefore be built in batch mode. > However, there are a few ports that need this kind of > interaction. > > > How, other than building it sans poudriere, do I accomplish it. > > In /usr/local/etc/poudriere.d/make.conf, try the following: > > DISABLE_LICENSES=yes > > Sadly, I didn't find proper documentation of this option > (not in "man 5 make.conf", not in poudriere's material). > Maybe it can be found in some locally accessible example > file? > > Please report back if it worked. If it does, I'd say it's > worth being included in official poudriere configuration > (exept it already is, and I just didn't find it). ;-) In the case of mail/dcc-dccd, as an example, this can be added to make.conf: LICENSES_ACCEPTED+=DCC > References: > > https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2019-July/285853.html > > https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/failing-to-compile-audio-teamspeak3-server-with-poudriere.48194/ -- Trond. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Feb 10 08:45:54 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6A3C232683 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2020 08:45:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eriklauritsen@yandex.com) Received: from forward501j.mail.yandex.net (forward501j.mail.yandex.net [5.45.198.251]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48GKHj3Nz0z49Qd for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2020 08:45:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eriklauritsen@yandex.com) Received: from mxback23g.mail.yandex.net (mxback23g.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:1472:2741:0:8b7:323]) by forward501j.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id 4E6A53380786 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2020 11:45:50 +0300 (MSK) Received: from localhost (localhost [::1]) by mxback23g.mail.yandex.net (mxback/Yandex) with ESMTP id rrh1zJXnEU-jnPCbcGW; Mon, 10 Feb 2020 11:45:49 +0300 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.com; s=mail; t=1581324349; bh=B1AQQvH6v+yselYi6tmivbZ6sotP+qdzYZlO3RDOlzY=; h=References:Date:Message-Id:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From; b=bhXwzPqfpukpHjkG7GSEUOhWSZZEjt7sOZU6vYqieqVIHf455sayKnsIM43gklzSh LT9JH57nkdDF7wdqHzfi1QERwftuyb2mrKjBEamBHv0z5ZgJ17Q4SQ0VXbpK8uPDWD DVDtu7s2p+l0fC2BDviebypwrsVSiOLybfbWA0Jk= Received: by sas2-2d551da8e887.qloud-c.yandex.net with HTTP; Mon, 10 Feb 2020 11:45:49 +0300 From: Erik Lauritsen To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20200210074555.7f409476708f05bd10c1efb0@sohara.org> References: <17394471581319158@vla1-b55dfea406f0.qloud-c.yandex.net> <20200210074555.7f409476708f05bd10c1efb0@sohara.org> Subject: Re: Bad ZFS performance on the desktop MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Yamail [ http://yandex.ru ] 5.0 Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2020 08:45:49 +0000 Message-Id: <38784851581324349@sas2-2d551da8e887.qloud-c.yandex.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 48GKHj3Nz0z49Qd X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=yandex.com header.s=mail header.b=bhXwzPqf; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=yandex.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of eriklauritsen@yandex.com designates 5.45.198.251 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=eriklauritsen@yandex.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.10 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yandex.com:s=mail]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:5.45.192.0/19]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[yandex.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yandex.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[yandex.com,none]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ipnet: 5.45.192.0/18(-4.86), asn: 13238(-3.83), country: RU(0.01)]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[251.198.45.5.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[yandex.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:13238, ipnet:5.45.192.0/18, country:RU]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2020 08:45:54 -0000 > On Mon, 10 Feb 2020 07:19:18 +0000 > Erik Lauritsen wrote: > >> I have monitored ZFS using 'top' and can see that it never eats >> more than half of my memory, so it's not because I'm out of >> memory. > > Is there any sign of swap activity ? This sounds a lot like swap > thrashing. There is no swap activity. I have 16 GB in the box and the ARC is set to 10GB, but it never reaches that. Also top shows that the swap is free all the time: Swap: 2048M Total, 2048M Free >> I'm thinking about getting a couple of SSDs, but then again I use >> backup meticulously and perhaps ZFS on a single drive or just UFS >> is better for the desktop? > > I'm using ZFS on a single SSD for boot (with everything important > mounted from a NAS running a bunch of mirrors), it's fast but I did have to > set vfs.zfs.arc_max in /boot/loader.conf (to 2GB on my 8GB machine) in > order to stop browsers thrashing swap. > -- > Steve O'Hara-Smith > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Feb 10 09:02:42 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92EC923305A for ; 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RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; IP_SCORE(0.48)[ip: (1.31), ipnet: 212.227.0.0/16(-1.11), asn: 8560(2.23), country: DE(-0.02)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2020 09:02:42 -0000 On Mon, 10 Feb 2020 08:49:58 +0100 (CET), Trond Endrest=F8l wrote: > On Mon, 10 Feb 2020 07:12+0100, Polytropon wrote: >=20 > > On Sun, 9 Feb 2020 16:58:15 -0500, Jerry wrote: > > > I am attempting to build the "print/hplip-plugin" port via poudriere. > > > When I attempt to do so, I am greeted with this message: > > >=20 > > > [00:00:07] Ignoring print/hplip-plugin | hplip-plugin-3.19.12: > > > License HPLIP_PLUGIN needs confirmation, but BATCH is defined > > >=20 > > > I have never encountered this before. > >=20 > > This is only needed for ports where there is a licensing > > restriction that requires you to interactively express your > > consent with the licensing terms. Regular ports do not > > require this and can therefore be built in batch mode. > > However, there are a few ports that need this kind of > > interaction. > >=20 > > > How, other than building it sans poudriere, do I accomplish it. > >=20 > > In /usr/local/etc/poudriere.d/make.conf, try the following: > >=20 > > DISABLE_LICENSES=3Dyes > >=20 > > Sadly, I didn't find proper documentation of this option > > (not in "man 5 make.conf", not in poudriere's material). > > Maybe it can be found in some locally accessible example > > file? > >=20 > > Please report back if it worked. If it does, I'd say it's > > worth being included in official poudriere configuration > > (exept it already is, and I just didn't find it). ;-) >=20 > In the case of mail/dcc-dccd, as an example, this can be added to=20 > make.conf: >=20 > LICENSES_ACCEPTED+=3DDCC Is this officially documented somewhere (not just to be manually parsed from some configuration file)? --=20 Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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When I attempt to do so, I am greeted with this >> > > message: >> > >=20 >> > > [00:00:07] Ignoring print/hplip-plugin | hplip-plugin-3.19.12: >> > > License HPLIP_PLUGIN needs confirmation, but BATCH is defined >> > >=20 >> > > I have never encountered this before. =20 >> >=20 >> > This is only needed for ports where there is a licensing >> > restriction that requires you to interactively express your >> > consent with the licensing terms. Regular ports do not >> > require this and can therefore be built in batch mode. >> > However, there are a few ports that need this kind of >> > interaction. >> > =20 >> > > How, other than building it sans poudriere, do I accomplish it. =20 >> >=20 >> > In /usr/local/etc/poudriere.d/make.conf, try the following: >> >=20 >> > DISABLE_LICENSES=3Dyes >> >=20 >> > Sadly, I didn't find proper documentation of this option >> > (not in "man 5 make.conf", not in poudriere's material). >> > Maybe it can be found in some locally accessible example >> > file? >> >=20 >> > Please report back if it worked. If it does, I'd say it's >> > worth being included in official poudriere configuration >> > (exept it already is, and I just didn't find it). ;-) =20 >>=20 >> In the case of mail/dcc-dccd, as an example, this can be added to=20 >> make.conf: >>=20 >> LICENSES_ACCEPTED+=3DDCC =20 > >Is this officially documented somewhere (not just to be manually >parsed from some configuration file)? I tried all sorts of combinations; however, the only one that worked was: DISABLE_LICENSES=3Dyes Now, that would apply to all programs built by poudriere. I would like a way to restrict it to only the "print/hplip-plugin" port at this time. Is that possible? --=20 Jerry --Sig_/NUMVLHRziJXAHN5ZMnC7Hra Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEIQb/tTwl6I1ueEVtOHMGOIfexWQFAl5BJwoACgkQOHMGOIfe xWSpFwgAxO/R+kRcMgf9ImN+LWXwoVye4YGE8IZaFqKcTYzflnEZuzp4TT17wFRV vycd9LcKZKm+EWo9JEG+v/iT2VOqtGYDULVSyDj6BeW2P7RVqKybAOHum34MDPs8 gt7nKUzqe4M3NiECiXqqXN2rTRPeRRQNHlt3eFl/f4t80ePNFBOUoK7IMH5+1J3G QQtvvdsUKjMxFmuKfUmQJt4Ugt0Mzo0LB9oNwn18ZNLRvPHOfx9aBX0IgNdsZtyJ bp3M8pLCn2Tj3GPthRHipZb4v/LGkS367NH/RVCeaQWWX5GnVoZmFkizsjeNc8jX Ccga22bMSjueyp+cswnDJHbrVAlVOQ== =NeCI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/NUMVLHRziJXAHN5ZMnC7Hra-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Feb 10 10:19:13 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F93E234C73 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2020 10:19:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trond.endrestol@ximalas.info) Received: from enterprise.ximalas.info (enterprise.ximalas.info [IPv6:2001:700:1100:1::8]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "ximalas.info", Issuer "Hostmaster ximalas.info" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48GMMN2GcXz4GyB for ; 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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2020 10:19:13 -0000 On Mon, 10 Feb 2020 10:02+0100, Polytropon wrote: > On Mon, 10 Feb 2020 08:49:58 +0100 (CET), Trond Endrestøl wrote: > > On Mon, 10 Feb 2020 07:12+0100, Polytropon wrote: > > > > > On Sun, 9 Feb 2020 16:58:15 -0500, Jerry wrote: > > > > I am attempting to build the "print/hplip-plugin" port via poudriere. > > > > When I attempt to do so, I am greeted with this message: > > > > > > > > [00:00:07] Ignoring print/hplip-plugin | hplip-plugin-3.19.12: > > > > License HPLIP_PLUGIN needs confirmation, but BATCH is defined > > > > > > > > I have never encountered this before. > > > > > > This is only needed for ports where there is a licensing > > > restriction that requires you to interactively express your > > > consent with the licensing terms. Regular ports do not > > > require this and can therefore be built in batch mode. > > > However, there are a few ports that need this kind of > > > interaction. > > > > > > > How, other than building it sans poudriere, do I accomplish it. > > > > > > In /usr/local/etc/poudriere.d/make.conf, try the following: > > > > > > DISABLE_LICENSES=yes > > > > > > Sadly, I didn't find proper documentation of this option > > > (not in "man 5 make.conf", not in poudriere's material). > > > Maybe it can be found in some locally accessible example > > > file? > > > > > > Please report back if it worked. If it does, I'd say it's > > > worth being included in official poudriere configuration > > > (exept it already is, and I just didn't find it). ;-) > > > > In the case of mail/dcc-dccd, as an example, this can be added to > > make.conf: > > > > LICENSES_ACCEPTED+=DCC > > Is this officially documented somewhere (not just to be manually > parsed from some configuration file)? See Mk/bsd.licenses.mk. -- Trond From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Feb 10 10:24:11 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08B92234F8C for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2020 10:24:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ludovit.koren@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wr1-x430.google.com (mail-wr1-x430.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::430]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48GMT61zPTz4HLR for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2020 10:24:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ludovit.koren@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wr1-x430.google.com with SMTP id z3so6912009wru.3 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2020 02:24:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:to:subject:user-mail-address:date:message-id:user-agent :mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=vFUVJxHlA8BnrcuWxgGuvwShbPA1xaGBUI9WGXkiXLw=; b=AXfrjk5dnmC6NGTIKVHh1asU1eENYDIoWsxxdzoTjUB8f+wr6ostiekZ+CJV8lFXEK xbsdE5npN5AgiHupdxUgzZDvaz2+beTrQzLtGx9DCIu4iq9EP+dBpD+7CY/DYBzWqdwv Ff7aDtEcoCUb4xuo749XpfFBg6NLRf9WijpmLAg5nObrZFr2fSbdg8sRTVoiddZR6n3M NhXMOZvGuF9WTwJQX8cisY/LIHAVT2iRnJ5B3KqOQCq99KrrJ0LYp/9VgHoqbNEa6+mx KzVqe8bX7qpeuHIOJjcaLUEbbhhkXcVy1vSLvW71NV3k9bhudEvtV+IxlwCA7Q4S2Wb+ Rypg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:subject:user-mail-address:date :message-id:user-agent:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=vFUVJxHlA8BnrcuWxgGuvwShbPA1xaGBUI9WGXkiXLw=; b=st71BXq3UMLAOxtzIftLRdi4PmmeGwq6EUWLZfNwnM1kVO+7lhbkeEddBpz3PWxphq pprIY5lLy3HrQxJbNqDqbE+R+bq6MZctykScbeo5nwy9mjI9l0KNc137mmuEcdGSVsgu jb6bFkuOhOwRvrLPFn1zHDm8fYH6urEKxBFIwFkt2PfbHMC4AeakarHRqoOskwBBqb4U rB61Wx56Rv40iXUx7ScualRqbUwUANPeTiJn7A3koiBY/Q2ifRFXwif0Fgn1qS8HZf7L WW1+qIPpVhp+g3N2g2jAEbqd2Qxug3HLDTsVMR2rrYoyErIeLHLlNQJI4iLu7xQ8qwcm v+mw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVMHzRAkv4TroCnvTvSQKKTLscScH+GXLXasj37VXN/Pq4z7NAh mbsDRJy0JY/QaRi/haJEczft1n+4 X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzNoX+hUspxw1GElozUAuMscoIXquYCk7Ey1Cx4xBGJxBU889efRkMDe4jvsCsEP3+a6RPa5g== X-Received: by 2002:a5d:63c9:: with SMTP id c9mr1093565wrw.281.1581330247644; Mon, 10 Feb 2020 02:24:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from jedi.localdomain ([195.28.109.156]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id b21sm15521869wmd.37.2020.02.10.02.24.06 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 10 Feb 2020 02:24:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by jedi.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 3B02C15A94; Mon, 10 Feb 2020 11:24:06 +0100 (CET) From: Ludovit Koren To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: HP EliteBook x360 830 G6 User-Mail-Address: ludovit.koren@gmail.com Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2020 11:24:06 +0100 Message-ID: <86imkeivuh.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 48GMT61zPTz4HLR X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=AXfrjk5d; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ludovitkoren@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::430 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ludovitkoren@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.00 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (-9.15), ipnet: 2a00:1450::/32(-2.48), asn: 15169(-1.73), country: US(-0.05)]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[0.3.4.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.5.4.1.0.0.a.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2020 10:24:11 -0000 Hi, is anybody using this notebook with FreeBSD? Any personal experiences? By default, there is Intel=C2=AE WiFi 6 ax. Is there a compatibility mode, can I use it at a lower speed? Is the touch screen usable? Is suspend/resume working? Thank you very much in advance for your insights. Regards, lk From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Feb 10 11:06:27 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F5D623602C for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2020 11:06:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from bede.qeng-ho.org (bede.qeng-ho.org [217.155.128.241]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48GNPv2QrKz4KRl for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2020 11:06:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from arthur.home.qeng-ho.org (arthur.home.qeng-ho.org [172.23.1.2]) by bede.qeng-ho.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8ECB610378; Mon, 10 Feb 2020 11:06:19 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Problem with poudriere and 'BATCH' To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Jerry References: <20200209165815.506f490a@scorpio> <20200210071252.ed87d7d4.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200210100227.1e7e629d.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200210044858.48a51491@scorpio> From: Arthur Chance Message-ID: <010055e4-5dc7-52fb-893e-2854dcecf17a@qeng-ho.org> Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2020 11:06:19 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.3.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20200210044858.48a51491@scorpio> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 48GNPv2QrKz4KRl X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.00 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.996,0]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2020 11:06:27 -0000 On 10/02/2020 09:48, Jerry wrote: > On Mon, 10 Feb 2020 10:02:27 +0100, Polytropon stated: >> On Mon, 10 Feb 2020 08:49:58 +0100 (CET), Trond Endrestøl wrote: >>> On Mon, 10 Feb 2020 07:12+0100, Polytropon wrote: >>> >>>> On Sun, 9 Feb 2020 16:58:15 -0500, Jerry wrote: >>>>> I am attempting to build the "print/hplip-plugin" port via >>>>> poudriere. When I attempt to do so, I am greeted with this >>>>> message: >>>>> >>>>> [00:00:07] Ignoring print/hplip-plugin | hplip-plugin-3.19.12: >>>>> License HPLIP_PLUGIN needs confirmation, but BATCH is defined >>>>> >>>>> I have never encountered this before. >>>> >>>> This is only needed for ports where there is a licensing >>>> restriction that requires you to interactively express your >>>> consent with the licensing terms. Regular ports do not >>>> require this and can therefore be built in batch mode. >>>> However, there are a few ports that need this kind of >>>> interaction. >>>> >>>>> How, other than building it sans poudriere, do I accomplish it. >>>> >>>> In /usr/local/etc/poudriere.d/make.conf, try the following: >>>> >>>> DISABLE_LICENSES=yes >>>> >>>> Sadly, I didn't find proper documentation of this option >>>> (not in "man 5 make.conf", not in poudriere's material). >>>> Maybe it can be found in some locally accessible example >>>> file? >>>> >>>> Please report back if it worked. If it does, I'd say it's >>>> worth being included in official poudriere configuration >>>> (exept it already is, and I just didn't find it). ;-) >>> >>> In the case of mail/dcc-dccd, as an example, this can be added to >>> make.conf: >>> >>> LICENSES_ACCEPTED+=DCC >> >> Is this officially documented somewhere (not just to be manually >> parsed from some configuration file)? > > I tried all sorts of combinations; however, the only one that worked > was: DISABLE_LICENSES=yes > > Now, that would apply to all programs built by poudriere. I would like > a way to restrict it to only the "print/hplip-plugin" port at this > time. Is that possible? > You can use make(1) conditionals to restrict which directories a directive applies to. You'll want something like .if ${.CURDIR:M*/print/hplip-plugin} DISABLE_LICENSES=yes .endif in the poudriere make.conf. -- Violets are red And roses are blue When metamaterials Alter their hue. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Feb 10 11:47:13 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C1C12375D3 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2020 11:47:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48GPJw4h4Lz4Mds for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2020 11:47:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1581335233; x=1583927233; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=fwSojVJKdZwreRSPUsdtDbt++lbB5L6LWg6mzmhzGXM=; b=UivwQCs5YoD+qV4AWnJ4d2cFW1MvKOiTZcqJ6VxAIl5xCVIx0CgIZacyOETqz9dnnFR+s2NfAd1Wr3gUXXWDp/V2ZE+UPQlh3Zjs9xlCsgpIgCB4xjxu63+b8vmmdo9nd99GD4kyNWeRh6n+A0JNrxwj6jOIBszBNVYL8ydKOeU= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi42ZTAwMDAwMmJiZGU5My5mcmVlYnNkLXF1ZXN0aW9ucz1mcmVlYnNkLm9yZw== Received: from r3.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com (r3.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.191.3]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Mon, 10 Feb 2020 06:47:06 -0500 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [185.202.17.215]) by r3.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Mon, 10 Feb 2020 06:47:05 -0500 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.92.3 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1j17Wq-000CYg-B4 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2020 11:47:04 +0000 Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2020 11:47:04 +0000 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Bad ZFS performance on the desktop Message-Id: <20200210114704.21595eab746d3ccf62f7e879@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <38784851581324349@sas2-2d551da8e887.qloud-c.yandex.net> References: <17394471581319158@vla1-b55dfea406f0.qloud-c.yandex.net> <20200210074555.7f409476708f05bd10c1efb0@sohara.org> <38784851581324349@sas2-2d551da8e887.qloud-c.yandex.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.0) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 48GPJw4h4Lz4Mds X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=email-od.com header.s=dkim header.b=UivwQCs5; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com designates 142.0.176.198 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.88 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.99)[-0.989,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[email-od.com:s=dkim]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:142.0.176.0/20]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sohara.org]; FORGED_SENDER_VERP_SRS(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; IP_SCORE(0.11)[ip: (-0.31), ipnet: 142.0.176.0/22(0.61), asn: 7381(0.30), country: US(-0.05)]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[email-od.com:+]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[198.176.0.142.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.15.0]; ENVFROM_VERP(0.00)[]; FORGED_SENDER(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2020 11:47:13 -0000 On Mon, 10 Feb 2020 08:45:49 +0000 Erik Lauritsen wrote: > > On Mon, 10 Feb 2020 07:19:18 +0000 > > Erik Lauritsen wrote: > > > >> I have monitored ZFS using 'top' and can see that it never eats > >> more than half of my memory, so it's not because I'm out of > >> memory. > > > > Is there any sign of swap activity ? This sounds a lot like swap > > thrashing. > > There is no swap activity. I have 16 GB in the box and the ARC is > set to 10GB, but it never reaches that. Bang goes that theory :) Does zpool status shed any light ? -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Feb 10 20:28:11 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81F83243322 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2020 20:28:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sniffer@dewberryfields.co.uk) Received: from ictmail.ictprovision.com (ictmail.ictprovision.com [35.178.134.240]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48Gct21ncKz40xF for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2020 20:28:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sniffer@dewberryfields.co.uk) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Michael Howard Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?UK_Currency_Key_=28=c2=a3=29?= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2020 20:27:59 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-GB ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=dewberryfields.co.uk; s=2019; t=1581366497; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ypf9S6z75txKZob5QnzfKXJyOV427lBu8KwZE3xuS7w=; b=K9xpDjaUUTSog1cfyDFdtK5g6ZtNmHtO5tHniH7BspxS2xCMS74I3WhIhLA8iwjRC1LcFM 6HjLpmXxo6OJqCsjKU7Vg6bnorkO0yq2hJiRnxGINAl5sclzjjjqbj3mVvLlEqbWOjnXEW 6bvkGSobU25zfWswZMpBK1ymLtyv40U= ARC-Seal: i=1; s=2019; d=dewberryfields.co.uk; t=1581366497; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=OHl6OAeN8Yo8M677YIZMspcjnjPJABaVUNxsjw4BdxlsWIC8fa3U1ML500AGXAFyYg02/6 5Yb/9ueFc86xZufmPHzdTzRhc9hMNqU8UnY12JCi9X3FXUbqY8KpMU8eAFjqGPJ1LGHOCZ H4VBKDNkrnoE5SPAKJWdoQZmpQCP/P0= ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; ORIGINATING; auth=pass smtp.auth=sniffer@dewberryfields.co.uk smtp.mailfrom=sniffer@dewberryfields.co.uk X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 48Gct21ncKz40xF X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.23 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[dewberryfields.co.uk:s=2019]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+a:ictmail.ictprovision.com]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[dewberryfields.co.uk:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[dewberryfields.co.uk,reject]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; IP_SCORE(-0.23)[asn: 16509(-1.10), country: US(-0.05)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16509, ipnet:35.178.0.0/15, country:US]; ARC_ALLOW(-1.00)[i=1]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2020 20:28:11 -0000 Hi All, Just installed FreeBSD. The problem is I don't seem able to get the UK currency key (£) to display. No X installed at this point. During the install when I selected the UK layout, testing said layout didn't produce any output either. The £ sign displays on all other OS I use (with the UK keyboard layout), with the same keyboard (through USB KVM) so I know its good. UK layout is configured and all other keys seem to work, i.e the ones that can give trouble like | @ " $  #  ~ Dr Google brings up numerous but very old issues, without solutions. Anybody come across this and know the answer? Mike -- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Feb 10 21:02:38 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04198244293 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2020 21:02:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk) Received: from outmx-028.london.gridhost.co.uk (outmx-028.london.gridhost.co.uk [95.142.156.253]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48Gddn079hz43Gj for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2020 21:02:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk) Received: from curlew.milibyte.co.uk (unknown [82.71.56.121]) (Authenticated sender: mailpool@milibyte.co.uk) by outmx-028.london.gridhost.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 39FB92015F880; Mon, 10 Feb 2020 21:02:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=curlew.localnet) by curlew.milibyte.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.92.3) (envelope-from ) id 1j1GCQ-000ArQ-Rh; Mon, 10 Feb 2020 21:02:34 +0000 From: Mike Clarke To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: Michael Howard Subject: Re: UK Currency Key =?UTF-8?B?KMKjKQ==?= Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2020 21:02:34 +0000 Message-ID: <1899169.bl7DLxgNLY@curlew> In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on curlew.milibyte.co.uk); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 48Gddn079hz43Gj X-Spamd-Bar: + Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk designates 95.142.156.253 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.51 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.58)[-0.577,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[milibyte.co.uk]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.42)[0.424,0]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[253.156.142.95.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; CTE_CASE(0.50)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:198047, ipnet:95.142.156.0/22, country:GB]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; IP_SCORE(1.06)[ipnet: 95.142.156.0/22(3.17), asn: 198047(2.23), country: GB(-0.08)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2020 21:02:38 -0000 On Monday, 10 February 2020 20:27:59 GMT Michael Howard via freebsd-questio= ns wrote: > Just installed FreeBSD. >=20 > The problem is I don't seem able to get the UK currency key (=C2=A3) to > display. No X installed at this point. Is your locale set correctly for UK English? curlew:/home/mike% env | grep LANG=20 LANG=3Den_GB.UTF-8=20 The default section of /etc/login.conf starts like this: default:\ :charset=3DUTF-8:\ :lang=3Den_GB.UTF-8:\ =2D-=20 Mike Clarke From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Feb 10 21:22:35 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63E60244DAE for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2020 21:22:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from holgerdanske.com (holgerdanske.com [184.105.128.27]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "xray.he.net", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48Gf4p3Wvdz44hM for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2020 21:22:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from 99.100.19.101 ([99.100.19.101]) by holgerdanske.com with ESMTPSA (ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:TLSv1.2:Kx=ECDH:Au=RSA:Enc=AESGCM(128):Mac=AEAD) (SMTP-AUTH username dpchrist@holgerdanske.com, mechanism PLAIN) for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2020 13:22:32 -0800 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: David Christensen Subject: Looking for FOSS supported PCIe x4 SATA 6 Gb/s HBA with 4 or 8 ports Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2020 13:22:28 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.4.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 48Gf4p3Wvdz44hM X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dpchrist@holgerdanske.com has no SPF policy when checking 184.105.128.27) smtp.mailfrom=dpchrist@holgerdanske.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.69 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.998,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.59)[ipnet: 184.104.0.0/15(0.66), asn: 6939(-3.58), country: US(-0.05)]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.998,0]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[holgerdanske.com]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[27.128.105.184.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.10.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:184.104.0.0/15, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2020 21:22:35 -0000 freebsd-questions: I have a system with an Intel DQ67SW desktop board: https://www.intel.com/content/dam/support/us/en/documents/motherboards/desktop/dq67sw/dq67sw_techprodspec02.pdf It has the following expansion slots: - One PCI Express 2.0 x16 add-in card connector - One PCI Express 2.0 x4 add-in card connector - One PCI Express 2.0 x1 add-in card connector - One Conventional PCI bus connector I need more SATA III 6 Gb/s ports and am looking for a HBA: 1. I would prefer using PCIe x4 slot, but can use the x16 slot. 2. Non-RAID. 3. At least four SATA ports. 4. Can handle sustained loads of ~250 MB/s across all SATA ports simultaneously. 5. Works OOTB with FreeBSD 12.1, Debian 9, and Debian 10. 6. Works OOTB with SeaToolsBootable_RC_2.1.2. 7. New or used. My research thus far: 1. LSI products are popular, but: a. Most seem to be PCIe x8. b. STFW I see more than a few posts complaining about changing firmware from RAID to non-RAID, buggy firmware releases, and/or motherboard BIOS/UEFI incompatibilities with the flash tools. 2. Syba offers products: https://www.sybausa.com/index.php?route=product/category&path=64_181_85&filter=38,74 a. While migrating backup data, I recently saw a Syba PCIe x1 two port SATA II 3 Gb/s HBA model SD-SA2PEX-2IR throttling under sustained load -- it ran at 80-100 MB/s for 4-5 minutes, then at ~7 MB/s for two hours. Unacceptable. Comments? 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No X installed at this point. > Is your locale set correctly for UK English? > > curlew:/home/mike% env | grep LANG > LANG=en_GB.UTF-8 > > The default section of /etc/login.conf starts like this: > > default:\ > :charset=UTF-8:\ > :lang=en_GB.UTF-8:\ > Thanks, that did the trick. Too long with debian ... 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There are a few ports that do this for you. Check out the port system. 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You could probably do this with a manual entry in /etc/rc.local: #!/bin/sh /sbin/ipfw add deny tcp from to any in If you do not add the "log" keyword, the denied (dropped) packets will not be logged. If you see more than TCP packets, use "all" instead of "tcp" in the rule. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Feb 11 14:09:26 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74B15236174 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2020 14:09:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from soth.netfence.it (net-2-44-121-52.cust.vodafonedsl.it [2.44.121.52]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mailserver.netfence.it", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48H4QY2r9Kz43X7 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2020 14:09:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from alamar.ventu (alamar.local.netfence.it [10.1.2.18]) (authenticated bits=0) by soth.netfence.it (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id 01BE9Dm6081475 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2020 15:09:16 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) X-Authentication-Warning: soth.netfence.it: Host alamar.local.netfence.it [10.1.2.18] claimed to be alamar.ventu From: Andrea Venturoli Subject: Cannot get remote GDB to work To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <50a10abf-4873-2acc-4f8b-efb9bddb1194@netfence.it> Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2020 15:09:13 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 48H4QY2r9Kz43X7 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=netfence.it; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ml@netfence.it designates 2.44.121.52 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ml@netfence.it X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.34 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:2.44.121.52]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[netfence.it,none]; IP_SCORE(-1.54)[ip: (-7.74), ipnet: 2.44.0.0/16(-3.87), asn: 30722(3.86), country: IT(0.03)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:30722, ipnet:2.44.0.0/16, country:IT]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2020 14:09:26 -0000 Hello. I'm trying to debug through a serial cable, as described in: > https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/developers-handbook/kerneldebug-online-gdb.html I followed the instruction (I believe correctly), but when I issue "target remote /dev/cuau0", I get: > Remote debugging using /dev/cuau0 > Ignoring packet error, continuing... > warning: unrecognized item "timeout" in "qSupported" response > Ignoring packet error, continuing... > Remote replied unexpectedly to 'vMustReplyEmpty': timeout I tried launching "cu -l /dev/cuau0" on both sides: I can correctly see what I type in the debugging terminal appear on the host's screen, but not vice versa. This starts working again, when I remove flags 0x80 from hint.uart.0.flags and change it back to 0x10 (default). Any hint? bye & Thanks av. P.S. Both machines are physical (no virtualization here), both are 12.1/amd64 and both serial ports are dumb old style serial ports. 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I have both, on a SSD. Thing is, I can write 10x faster to the file than I = can to the partition. With a 512b block size, it can write at 17MB/s to the partition, and about 120-130MB/s to the swapfile, as reported by dd. Historically, ISTR that it was recommended to have several swap partitions = on the fastest disks available, and that swapfile was slower than a partition because of something like fat translation. Is this still the case nowadays? Is there a better way of measuring swap speed than dd? thanks, --=20 J. --YiEDa0DAkWCtVeE4 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAABCAAdFiEE8n3tWhxW11Ccvv9/s8o7QhFzNAUFAl5CzUAACgkQs8o7QhFz NAXMJQ//d6+Q/NvgIBv8auQXNGMO0z3RP7eJAY3uLCPFKA7uU+NYM3bT3JgxEt/j MnDCpgK60zRG/BIqsyEVwmJUkfDK+wPmlT/rVfsteuP3cydl65re+nioL/QRAxtB rhIY560j3oRoczJH6y4+skcMkUImcJPvfBfCalhUscqZS3xAnNfL6q4E06Gox0It 4mF0EI9R2MT8E1nCtoHVLvC0OVc2KjJqOygqHSpuiU1skHXf0P4veQZKfbHoNbJC iALk/8f45VDZEhYNYWdutbdAi+dKq8JQ3lDvV2tNAQHRkEk9ariHqM3uiJ46qph7 xjgCoetVQvvGN/qi2Upx0qnB1QUASwNc1IP5SYSlj1Kq3y+BHU0myvdxn0LBD509 ECx7siSTmsvC6QuK3Hv+mLlDhf5YfFuMwapCi3jW/sBm+DWAWZeUxFxG+0MPitqA a7yCmcF7ub98Gl+DXfd68QnwsHeBui8pUZUA8IxfgBfBF4JeNUMQOQIWoyvHZQOR 2kHNkdFE0Xt0MWcLrbq2QZMuxpLca26SiJbP0LSav/4JINKM2kPFqHv+HYFw+TUg L/OAIZ2TpXsUoOaxRyDZT7dry1Ep22cUfDrehTFXv0h211KmHZ0om9vLIVRX1SeJ W/v92LOEP1qgMKzI0ShvtRGwYJik2IZrL6tBRe5VBH/mvuIEYTQ= =wv6n -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --YiEDa0DAkWCtVeE4-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Feb 11 15:55:59 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB6FA239DEE for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2020 15:55:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.135]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48H6nV6NrKz4C0N for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2020 15:55:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([94.222.26.136]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue012 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1N5lvf-1jY6Vu1ggl-017DLJ; Tue, 11 Feb 2020 16:55:53 +0100 Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2020 16:55:52 +0100 From: Polytropon To: tech-lists Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: questions about swap (partition and file) Message-Id: <20200211165552.e122bf2c.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20200211155009.GA9715@bastion.zyxst.net> References: <20200211155009.GA9715@bastion.zyxst.net> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:BRI+Zi5QOqjBj+q36RWHZHqjmowewASNQ6RuLuWlfEq7Ki4RZAC cH8n5rQCzf31D8Ifpkh0pIuUhdkbPCXBXYHTzZ6ab+Xk9+M7Gv55RdHeVCrUR1a7rSBVh5x 0VSLbxXlRmSwe7s1ftnd/UW/fuGdQaHvI6AK4vkFmCSI7E8SranG3mryWNpEvk8+mZSchlS QL+fRU6TUmkxdMH2l99eA== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:91NQMGHWYPg=:mQ9pLdoaoI2M9ajEqeoW/6 lMIEg4BpqApB/8B2tBdeB3xTfbdhRkduPtBlbfXApdjkKBiwubLHP2vNKGB9x9HWD7jWAitAl vz7DbwaAyXfPVgeeZYuJSnAXq6JUZsPsfX8P6dy60Qd1FLPHdSySEjK7/duxldlMDlOrlIrIx Hn8lS9pErTQMvFjQ1S/jgONxSLLeEBYTZy+WW8KximEHD9QompDJsnWkr7VG46mAehzDBTXDa Cv0rGjFfxywnayLle6II6+xK+KjrrZ/mYrICG9IFJZmiXzF/tUFf7QXPr3lySgJPK4PdbJg9L uX5gVRoOPMqGJFD4SZRNWmQuAzowtzR4X2l2MJ9LIBtGMlS+mRQ7Llv7Npg6FjJ//WGieypkF Snkt+ag3Z1zkhYHbY+QWypEpaFHZMW8HsG+K3AAPyve8v/XL4s38B1KrCV+yWAGSWJ2gyHaS6 A6b0ioUsSYF7r0JT2kAQZjMrS4SPg4nLQnzoEsu5Re0ixv8LToW67f1J3kt5/jg4jO9a2lLY3 6kuHwzrx5/FCNZeN4dPGY0DWly12MEe9ohfAzSwUpREzd2IX4L9+iADaGu4lVa/AtTtqcRh74 nSEDaDZOPhu/aTs/am9NI8suuV7rp7+uVpDz1N9sKjKRPZTP18tlNv7Aji5ls96+18ERhlkyD EBXcAgQv1QEZQOsFbJNKXxmjed+WAOoZjKy/h52eioWljm0VamhCQilSlUlWBezHrzNczwRw3 sQgnDfOfhSCxcjvVsnc53I6/D7YJ8AWp2Cxzy3Vdoax8Zox3d7732jN5RTsXFuzGsmkaU6x1/ PVNg41BkgQG+jUUev98CcWqDAhNBXSdhiv0jO/LS8N9na6NVA8g8oWrUF3M6r/XBR8jukcm X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 48H6nV6NrKz4C0N X-Spamd-Bar: +++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of free