From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Dec 12 22:30:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from geeks404.com (jupiter.hosting4u.net [209.15.2.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2F24E14D09 for ; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 22:30:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from novafreeze@geeks404.com) Received: from sysadmin ([216.53.138.178]) by jupiter.hosting4u.net ; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 23:34:30 -0600 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991213003928.007951c0@geeks404.com> X-Sender: novafreeze@geeks404.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 00:39:28 -0500 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG From: novafreeze@geeks404.com Subject: Im new Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, Im new to BSD. I have had some experience with Red Hat Linux and Mandrake Linux, but BSD seems totally different to me. Can someone give me a text or something that will start me off, or help me , or something. Thanks To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Dec 12 22:51:55 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from cepheus.azstarnet.com (cepheus.azstarnet.com [169.197.56.195]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E021914EE4 for ; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 22:51:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sbcorey@azstarnet.com) Received: from azstarnet.com (dialup06ip008.tus.azstarnet.com [169.197.32.136]) by cepheus.azstarnet.com (8.9.3+blt.Beta0/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA10724; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 23:51:38 -0700 (MST) X-Sent-via: StarNet http://www.azstarnet.com/ Message-ID: <38549812.A1CAB2C1@azstarnet.com> Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 23:54:10 -0700 From: Scott Corey X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.4-RC i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: novafreeze@geeks404.com Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Im new References: <3.0.6.32.19991213003928.007951c0@geeks404.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org novafreeze@geeks404.com wrote: > > Hi, > Im new to BSD. > I have had some experience with Red Hat Linux and Mandrake Linux, but BSD > seems totally different to me. > Can someone give me a text or something that will start me off, or help me > , or something. > > Thanks > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message The best place to start is the handbook. http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/index.html Or get a copy of Greg Lehey's "The Complete FreeBSD" --Scott To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Dec 12 22:54:53 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from charlie.cns.iit.edu (charlie.cns.iit.edu [216.47.143.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C46314F24 for ; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 22:54:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from maneben@charlie.cns.iit.edu) Received: from charlie.cns.iit.edu (charlie.cns.iit.edu [216.47.143.70]) by charlie.cns.iit.edu (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id AAA49940; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 00:55:20 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 00:55:19 -0600 From: "Benjamin M. Manes" To: novafreeze@geeks404.com Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Im new In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19991213003928.007951c0@geeks404.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Hi, > Im new to BSD. > I have had some experience with Red Hat Linux and Mandrake Linux, but BSD > seems totally different to me. > Can someone give me a text or something that will start me off, or help me > , or something. http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html links to great sources (e.g. tutorials, handbook) http://freebsd.peon.net/freebsd/index.html http://flag.blackened.net/freebsd/ http://www.nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk/FreeBSD/make-world/make-world.html http://www.backplane.com/FreeBSD/ If you want books, the best known introductory books are: The Complete FreeBSD by Greg Lehey -buy at Walnut Creek Cdrom, Linux Mall, etc -well written and very popular The Comprehensive Guide to FreeBSD -free book, also extremely well written http://www.vmunix.com/fbsd-book/ Various sites that may be of use: -FreeBSD'zine (will it re-emerge?) http://www.freebsdzine.org -FreeBSD Diary http://www.freebsddiary.com/freebsd -FreeBSD Rocks http://www.freebsdrocks.com -Daemon News http://www.daemonnews.org/ -MakeWorld http://www.makeworld.com News sites: -Daily Daemon News http://daily.daemonnews.org/ -OS Online http://osonline.org/bsd/ -Slashdot http://slashdot.org/index.pl?section=bsd Those are all of my FreeBSD/general BSD links. Am I missing any? The FreeBSD Advocacy Page (at http://freebsd.tesserae.com/) is yanking for daily daemon News nowadays.. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Dec 13 16:24:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from f1node01.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (node01.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.18.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF66014DF6 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 16:24:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Received: from max.alleswirdgelber (uzs106@ascend-tk-p198.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.244.198]) by f1node01.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA56498 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 01:23:40 +0100 Received: from localhost (uzs106@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by max.alleswirdgelber (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id AAA01367 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 00:15:04 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 00:15:03 +0100 (CET) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@max.alleswirdgelber To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Im new In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Great ressources ! On Mon, 13 Dec 1999, Benjamin M. Manes wrote: > The Comprehensive Guide to FreeBSD > -free book, also extremely well written > http://www.vmunix.com/fbsd-book/ There was a link, I think, to: > -Daemon News > http://www.daemonnews.org/ with an article by Greg Lehey (?) about the FreeBSDcon, telling us, that the MacOS 10 (Codename "Darwin") will be BSD ;-) Hmmmmm ;-) With the usual oversimplifications, Heiko To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Dec 15 8:30:44 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pointer.raytheon.co.uk (pointer.raytheon.co.uk [193.115.14.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D22831503D for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 08:30:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Chris.Smith@raytheon.co.uk) Received: from rslhub.raytheon.co.uk (unverified) by pointer.raytheon.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 16:32:04 +0000 Received: by rslhub.raytheon.co.uk(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.2 (693.3 8-11-1998)) id 00256848.005A5464 ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 16:26:38 +0000 X-Lotus-FromDomain: RAYTHEONUK From: Chris.Smith@raytheon.co.uk To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-Id: <00256848.005A544B.00@rslhub.raytheon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 16:26:11 +0000 Subject: Need Help: Kernel Build Problem - Kernel Builds at 7Mbytes! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I've generated a config file for the kernel from GENERIC by removing the SCSI host adaptors, turned off debugging and built the kernel. The problem is that the kernel image comes out of gcc @ 7Mbytes. This is huge compared to the standard kernel.GENERIC. All I have done is # out the aha entries and any other un-necessary bits. Is there anything silly I'm doing, because kernels really shouldn't be that large! System: FreeBSD 3.2-STABLE, Genuine Intel i686 processor, Genuine Intel SE440BX board. thanks, Chris Smith Raytheon Systems Limited UK To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Dec 15 10:54:15 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from cepheus.azstarnet.com (cepheus.azstarnet.com [169.197.56.195]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75CA51506C for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 10:54:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sbcorey@azstarnet.com) Received: from azstarnet.com (dialup001ip244.tus.azstarnet.com [169.197.12.244]) by cepheus.azstarnet.com (8.9.3+blt.Beta0/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA16802; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 11:54:01 -0700 (MST) X-Sent-via: StarNet http://www.azstarnet.com/ Message-ID: <3857E470.E9D7C9EB@azstarnet.com> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 11:56:48 -0700 From: Scott Corey X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.4-RC i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris.Smith@raytheon.co.uk Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Need Help: Kernel Build Problem - Kernel Builds at 7Mbytes! References: <00256848.005A544B.00@rslhub.raytheon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Chris.Smith@raytheon.co.uk wrote: > > Hi, > > I've generated a config file for the kernel from GENERIC by removing the > SCSI host adaptors, turned off debugging and built the kernel. The problem > is that the kernel image comes out of gcc @ 7Mbytes. This is huge compared > to the standard kernel.GENERIC. All I have done is # out the aha entries > and any other un-necessary bits. > > Is there anything silly I'm doing, because kernels really shouldn't be that > large! > > System: FreeBSD 3.2-STABLE, Genuine Intel i686 processor, Genuine Intel > SE440BX board. > > thanks, > > Chris Smith > Raytheon Systems Limited UK Looks like you have compiled your kernel with debug (config -g) try compiling with "config -r" and see if the kernel image is smaller. -- "Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms [of government] those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny." --Thomas Jefferson To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Dec 15 12: 5:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from postal.terraserver.com (postal.terraserver.com [204.85.1.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C9E1155EC for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 12:04:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from matt@terraserver.com) Received: from WEB01 ([204.85.1.80]) by postal.terraserver.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.1960.3) id YMQSYR6H; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 15:01:55 -0500 Message-ID: <006601bf4737$6c4cf760$500155cc@terraserver.com> From: "Matt Jezorek" To: Subject: PCMCIA Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 15:03:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0063_01BF470D.83662680" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0063_01BF470D.83662680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable question for all=20 what is the easiest and best way to get a pcmcia card or slot recognized = it does not do it on install is there away to do it in the kernel config i seen there was a mention = of it but now how to do it=20 Matt Jezorek matt@terraserver.com 919-833-9662 ext 207 (W) 336-383-1304 (P) 919-421-6469 (M) ------=_NextPart_000_0063_01BF470D.83662680 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
question for all
what is the easiest and best way to get = a pcmcia=20 card or slot recognized it does not do it on install
is there away to do it in the kernel = config i seen=20 there was a mention of it but now how to do it
Matt Jezorek
matt@terraserver.com
919-833-= 9662 =20 ext 207 (W)
336-383-1304 (P)
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------=_NextPart_000_0063_01BF470D.83662680-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Dec 15 18: 4:15 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from voicenet.com (mail12.voicenet.com [207.103.0.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B7CE114D35 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 18:04:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from schwenk@voicenet.com) Received: (qmail 3167 invoked from network); 16 Dec 1999 02:03:59 -0000 Received: from dialpool17103.voicenet.com (HELO voicenet.com) (209.71.57.103) by mail12.voicenet.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 1999 02:03:59 -0000 Message-ID: <385849DF.F6BCAC62@voicenet.com> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 21:09:36 -0500 From: "Peter A. Schwenk" Organization: Schwenk X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.4-RC i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matt Jezorek Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PCMCIA References: <006601bf4737$6c4cf760$500155cc@terraserver.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You should probably go to the freebsd web site, http://www.freebsd.org, and search for the PAO (I don't know what that stands for) project. Essentially it's an enhanced version of FreeBSD that works better with laptop hardware. You should look to see if your hardware is supported before proceeding. I was playing around with an old Gateway Colorbook, and it wouldn't work because of a multi-function PCMCIA card (not supported). Matt Jezorek wrote: > question for allwhat is the easiest and best way to get a pcmcia card > or slot recognized it does not do it on installis there away to do it > in the kernel config i seen there was a mention of it but now how to > do itMatt Jezorek > matt@terraserver.com > 919-833-9662 ext 207 (W) > 336-383-1304 (P) > 919-421-6469 (M) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Dec 16 13:33:11 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A56D214CFE for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 13:32:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) id IAA47576; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 08:02:08 +1030 (CST) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 08:02:07 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: "Peter A. Schwenk" Cc: Matt Jezorek , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PCMCIA Message-ID: <19991217080206.F46720@freebie.lemis.com> References: <006601bf4737$6c4cf760$500155cc@terraserver.com> <385849DF.F6BCAC62@voicenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: <385849DF.F6BCAC62@voicenet.com> WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wednesday, 15 December 1999 at 21:09:36 -0500, Peter A. Schwenk wrote: > Matt Jezorek wrote: > >> question for allwhat is the easiest and best way to get a pcmcia card >> or slot recognized it does not do it on installis there away to do it >> in the kernel config i seen there was a mention of it but now how to >> do it > > You should probably go to the freebsd web site, http://www.freebsd.org, > and search for the PAO (I don't know what that stands for) project. > Essentially it's an enhanced version of FreeBSD that works better with > laptop hardware. You should look to see if your hardware is supported > before proceeding. I was playing around with an old Gateway Colorbook, > and it wouldn't work because of a multi-function PCMCIA card (not > supported). Better, ask your question on FreeBSD-questions, where you will get more answers. PAO is being phased out, but it's still useful for some hardware. Based on your questing, there's no reason to assume that the standard FreeBSD release won't work. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Dec 17 6:57: 2 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6704914DA3; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 06:56:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Received: from max.alleswirdgelber (uzs106@ascend-tk-p231.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.244.231]) by f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA57720; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 15:56:52 +0100 Received: from localhost (uzs106@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by max.alleswirdgelber (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id PAA00404; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 15:13:59 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 15:13:58 +0100 (CET) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@max.alleswirdgelber To: freensd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: "Machine wants to boot from Iomega ZIP Drive" Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Well, its notorious. I must have overlooked some trivial thing in MYKERNEL. > something like the following... > > # Parallel port > device ppc0 at isa? port? flags 0x40 net irq 7 > controller ppbus0 > device lpt0 at ppbus? > device plip0 at ppbus? > device ppi0 at ppbus? > controller vpo0 at ppbus? When I turn off the zip, everything is fine, "changing root device to da0s1a" etc, but when I turn on the zip, the zip is da0 and the SCSI drive, which was da0 without zip, becomes da1, and then "panic (22), cant mount root device". I have no idea how to change this behaviour. Maybe I can change something in MYKERNEL. To make the zip be da1 or to make the system find da1 during booting, when the zip is on. Havent found it in the archives, have asked it before, without knowing what was going on ("panic", rebooting), our newsserver is down and I have no subscription to -questions..... Thanks. Heiko To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Dec 17 18:38:40 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1727914E48 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 18:38:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA02734 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 12:30:08 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from sue) Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 12:30:08 +1100 (EST) From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <199912180130.MAA02734@phoenix.welearn.com.au> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Newbies First Aid Kit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit (This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/) FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for help or answer how-to questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-CHARTERS) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected to show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "subscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message. Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org appears on the mailing list. _________________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Dec 17 20:17:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rdc1.tn.home.com (ha1.rdc1.tn.home.com [24.2.7.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A1ED14CA9 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 20:17:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eroc@home.com) Received: from ci971189c ([24.10.254.220]) by mail.rdc1.tn.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with SMTP id <19991218041719.PQCW17996.mail.rdc1.tn.home.com@ci971189c> for ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 20:17:19 -0800 Message-ID: <000801bf490e$c07d4c30$dcfe0a18@ruthfd1.tn.home.com> From: "eric" To: Subject: Compiled Image Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 22:17:09 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01BF48DC.75B38ED0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BF48DC.75B38ED0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Are there any .iso images available for download for high speed = connections? Sincerely,=20 E. Bradford ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BF48DC.75B38ED0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Are there any .iso images available for = download=20 for high speed connections?
 
Sincerely,
E. Bradford
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BF48DC.75B38ED0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Dec 17 22:31:42 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from charlie.cns.iit.edu (charlie.cns.iit.edu [216.47.143.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 549A014D5A for ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 22:31:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from maneben@charlie.cns.iit.edu) Received: from charlie.cns.iit.edu (charlie.cns.iit.edu [216.47.143.70]) by charlie.cns.iit.edu (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id AAA14504; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 00:31:21 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 00:31:21 -0600 From: "Benjamin M. Manes" To: eric Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Compiled Image In-Reply-To: <000801bf490e$c07d4c30$dcfe0a18@ruthfd1.tn.home.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Are there any .iso images available for download for high speed connections? I recently downloaded the image of 3.3 from the servers. I found ftp2.freebsd.org and ftp5.freebsd.org to be the fastest mirrors (20-30kbps). However, I also found ftp.linuxberg.org to be even faster (60kbps+), and it has the image too. 3.4-RC just came out, so I'd recomend waiting for the 3.4 image. Oh, and th images are .cd0, which I'm not quite sure how to deal with (probably in a readme or the handbook). To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Dec 18 8: 8:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from brutele02.brutele.be (brutele02.brutele.be [212.68.193.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32BE914F0E for ; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 08:08:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from raphael.quoilin@swing.be) Received: from mail.brutele.be ([212.68.193.70]) by brutele02.brutele.be (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA10948 for ; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 18:05:08 +0100 Received: from [212.68.199.212] by mail.brutele.be (NTMail 4.30.0013/NT2130.00.09bcf6d6) with ESMTP id gxlieaaa for ; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 17:04:09 +0100 Message-ID: <002901bf4971$7ab57e30$d4c744d4@brutele.be> From: "Raphael Quoilin" To: References: Subject: Where to download ? Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 17:03:49 +0100 Organization: Fort George Meade MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, I am looking for the last 3.3 release as a .iso file. Can anyone mail a ftp link ? Thank you. Raphael Raphael Quoilin - raphael.quoilin@advalvas.be Diffie / Hellman PGP Key ID : 0xAC0E0AF3 Echelon highlighted - www.echelonwatch.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Dec 18 8:15:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from cepheus.azstarnet.com (cepheus.azstarnet.com [169.197.56.195]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD63614EEE for ; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 08:15:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sbcorey@azstarnet.com) Received: from azstarnet.com (dialup17ip050.tus.azstarnet.com [169.197.38.50]) by cepheus.azstarnet.com (8.9.3+blt.Beta0/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA06279; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 09:15:18 -0700 (MST) X-Sent-via: StarNet http://www.azstarnet.com/ Message-ID: <385BB3D3.31AD883F@azstarnet.com> Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 09:18:27 -0700 From: Scott Corey X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.4-RC i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Raphael Quoilin Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Where to download ? References: <002901bf4971$7ab57e30$d4c744d4@brutele.be> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Raphael Quoilin wrote: > > Hello, > > I am looking for the last 3.3 release as a .iso file. > > Can anyone mail a ftp link ? > > Thank you. > > Raphael > > Raphael Quoilin - raphael.quoilin@advalvas.be > Diffie / Hellman PGP Key ID : 0xAC0E0AF3 > Echelon highlighted - www.echelonwatch.org ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Dec 18 12:54:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu09.email.msn.com [207.46.181.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F322A14FC1 for ; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 12:54:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jabe_one@email.msn.com) Received: from 6vguz - 63.10.40.66 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 12:54:25 -0800 Message-ID: <002e01bf4999$85254760$f4b9fea9@6vguz> From: "jabe_one" To: Subject: subscribe Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 15:50:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Dec 18 12:58:38 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu08.email.msn.com [207.46.181.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF43614EE1 for ; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 12:58:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jabe_one@email.msn.com) Received: from 6vguz - 63.10.40.66 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 12:58:33 -0800 Message-ID: <004a01bf499a$18893660$f4b9fea9@6vguz> From: "jabe_one" To: Subject: subscribe Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 15:54:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org subscribe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Dec 19 10:22:23 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from milkyway.org (lta-r-1.usit.net [205.241.194.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C58A15187 for ; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 10:22:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from toby@milkyway.org) Received: from rigel (rigel.milkyway.org [205.241.194.19]) by milkyway.org (8.8.8/8.8.3) with SMTP id NAA04554; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 13:14:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001701bf49e9$8991bae0$13c2f1cd@milkyway.org> From: "Toby J. Swanson" To: Cc: Subject: squid on small LANs Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 01:23:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Has anyone set up squid (proxy server/accelerator) in a small office (5-10 clients) environment? If so, was it worth the trouble? Can you actually see URLs load faster? I'm considering using it on a Pentium II running FreeBSD 3.3, 256Mb RAM, 4Gb fast wide SCSI cache area on a 100Mbps switched LAN with 4 to 10 Windows 95/98 clients. I'm not asking for tech help, just looking for "it worked for me", "not worth the effort", "6 of one half-a-dozen of the other" type experiences or your comments on squid or alternatives. Thanks, Toby To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Dec 19 12:26:47 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CAE414CFA for ; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 12:26:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Smc486@aol.com) Received: from Smc486@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.6.) id t.0.de88b104 (3969); Sun, 19 Dec 1999 15:26:08 -0500 (EST) From: Smc486@aol.com Message-ID: <0.de88b104.258e9960@aol.com> Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 15:26:08 EST Subject: Re: squid on small LANs To: toby@milkyway.org Cc: newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 20 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Do a test and see. I personally dont think it would help, especially since there not a lot of clients. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Dec 19 22:15:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from web2102.mail.yahoo.com (web2102.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.246]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9FC2815074 for ; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 22:15:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from osc20@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 1458 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Dec 1999 06:15:27 -0000 Message-ID: <19991220061527.1457.qmail@web2102.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [148.233.245.234] by web2102.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 22:15:27 PST Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 22:15:27 -0800 (PST) From: Oscar Urquidy Subject: about null-modem cable To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi! I am making a null-modem cable, and i have found some differences on how to make it. The handbook differs of the info i've found in some web pages. As i don't think that making null-modem cables is an intimate discussion fact about freebsd, i don't know where ask about this. Should i post to -questions? or maybe to the person who wrote that part of the handbook? has somebody here made one? greetings Oscar Urquidy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Dec 19 23:58:58 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from gw.Adl.USSR.net (digita1.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.137.85]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0826114C9E for ; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 23:58:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from smokey@adl.ussr.net) Received: from austinpowers (smokey.Adl.USSR.net [203.38.181.2]) by gw.Adl.USSR.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA11916 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 18:28:48 +1030 (CST) Reply-To: From: "James" To: Subject: Help! :-) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 18:28:48 +1030 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hi, I'd like to set up squid with my freebsd system - its still at version 2.2.6 (waiting for the hardware to die, before I go through what to me is a long and arduous job of reinstalling :-) I have looked in the tutorials, and can't find anything that could help me, and want to know if someone could suggest a easy tutorial for the newbie/vegetable to unix OS's... regards james To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Dec 20 6:40:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from brutele02.brutele.be (brutele02.brutele.be [212.68.193.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E23B2152C6 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 06:40:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from raphael.quoilin@swing.be) Received: from mail.brutele.be ([212.68.193.70]) by brutele02.brutele.be (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA01824 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 16:36:31 +0100 Received: from [212.68.199.212] by mail.brutele.be (NTMail 4.30.0013/NT2130.00.09bcf6d6) with ESMTP id rdujeaaa for ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 15:35:34 +0100 Message-ID: <008501bf4af7$758a03e0$d4c744d4@brutele.be> From: "Raphael Quoilin" To: , Cc: References: <0.de88b104.258e9960@aol.com> Subject: Re: squid on small LANs Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 15:35:25 +0100 Organization: Fort George Meade MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org http://www1.tpgi.com.au/users/eirvine/freebsd/hermione.html Check this out ;-) Raphael Raphael Quoilin - raphael.quoilin@advalvas.be Diffie / Hellman PGP Key ID : 0xAC0E0AF3 Get this key (using Key ID!) @ - www.keyserver.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Sunday, December 19, 1999 9:26 PM Subject: Re: squid on small LANs : Do a test and see. : I personally dont think it would help, especially since there not a lot of : clients. : : : To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org : with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Dec 20 6:59: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDCCB14F24 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 06:58:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Received: from max.alleswirdgelber (uzs106@ascend-tk-p177.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.244.177]) by f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA65094; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 15:58:52 +0100 Received: from localhost (uzs106@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by max.alleswirdgelber (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id PAA00807; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 15:54:20 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 15:54:19 +0100 (CET) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@max.alleswirdgelber To: Oscar Urquidy Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: about null-modem cable In-Reply-To: <19991220061527.1457.qmail@web2102.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > handbook? has somebody here made one? I have a nullmodem cable, or two cables, that make one nullmodemcable. One cable was soldered to hook the old Global Village modem to the old Toshiba aka Dosbox. And the other one was a Mac-Pc nullmodemcable soldered after the famous webpage of Kai der Hai called "Loeten am Mac". It worked well. But I wouldnt do it today, there are ready to use nullmodemcables on the market. Called "laplink" cable. In different length. Heiko To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Dec 20 11:30:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from engine2.dhivehinet.net.mv (engine2.dhivehinet.net.mv [202.1.192.211]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9132414D51 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 11:30:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wyldephyre@telebot.net) Received: from bandhu ([202.1.193.142]) by engine2.dhivehinet.net.mv (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-58493U3000L300S0V35) with SMTP id mv; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 00:30:08 +0500 Message-ID: <000701bf4b1d$c76ff040$8ec101ca@bandhu> From: "Haikal Saadh" To: "Heiko Recktenwald" Cc: References: Subject: Re: about null-modem cable Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 00:39:44 +0530 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I thought these things and their assorted converteres could be bought from any half decent computer/electronic shop? ----- Original Message ----- From: Heiko Recktenwald To: Oscar Urquidy Cc: Sent: Monday, December 20, 1999 8:24 PM Subject: Re: about null-modem cable > > handbook? has somebody here made one? > > I have a nullmodem cable, or two cables, that make one nullmodemcable. One > cable was soldered to hook the old Global Village modem to the old Toshiba > aka Dosbox. And the other one was a Mac-Pc nullmodemcable soldered after > the famous webpage of Kai der Hai called "Loeten am Mac". It worked well. > But I wouldnt do it today, there are ready to use nullmodemcables on the > market. Called "laplink" cable. In different length. > > Heiko > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Dec 20 12:59:53 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from web2106.mail.yahoo.com (web2106.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.250]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DF98214CCA for ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 12:59:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from osc20@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 21419 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Dec 1999 20:59:51 -0000 Message-ID: <19991220205951.21417.qmail@web2106.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [148.233.245.229] by web2106.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 12:59:51 PST Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 12:59:51 -0800 (PST) From: Oscar Urquidy Subject: Re: about null-modem cable To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Well, when the cost matters :), making the cable is cheaper. Also, it is useful (for me), for practicing and understanding those matters. I'm interested in hardware interfaces, i would be happy to make one for FreeBSD in the future! --- Haikal Saadh wrote: > I thought these things and their assorted > converteres could be bought from > any half decent computer/electronic shop? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Heiko Recktenwald > > > > handbook? has somebody here made one? > > > > I have a nullmodem cable, or two cables, that make > one nullmodemcable. One > > cable was soldered to hook the old Global Village > modem to the old Toshiba > > aka Dosbox. And the other one was a Mac-Pc > nullmodemcable soldered after > > the famous webpage of Kai der Hai called "Loeten > am Mac". It worked well. > > But I wouldnt do it today, there are ready to use > nullmodemcables on the > > market. Called "laplink" cable. In different > length. > > > > Heiko __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. 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Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Dec 20 16:33:20 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from zagnut.hotpop.com (zagnut.hotpop.com [204.57.55.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D2EC153C1 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 16:33:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kamidesu@hotpop.com) Received: from wingate (unknown [209.198.236.59]) by zagnut.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id D6B8E639F7 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 19:32:56 -0500 (EST) From: m To: newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Experiences In-Reply-To: <000701bf4b1d$c76ff040$8ec101ca@bandhu> References: <000701bf4b1d$c76ff040$8ec101ca@bandhu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Becky! ver 1.25.07 Message-Id: <19991221003256.D6B8E639F7@zagnut.hotpop.com> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 19:32:56 -0500 (EST) X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm stuck with FreeBSD. I need more days to rest, and more clear info. My question is, ever get stuck with it? hated it? wanted to throw it into an active vulcan tied to a huge rock with a big neon sign that read 'steal/kick/smash me'? Thanks, just airing my frustation. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------- "Welcome to my house! Enter freely. Go safely, and leave something of the happiness you bring!" The strength of the handshake was so much akin to that which I had noticed in the driver, whose face I had not seen, that for a moment I doubted if it were not the same person to whom I was speaking. So to make sure, I said interrogatively, "Count Dracula?" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Dec 20 18:24:55 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from uhura.concentric.net (uhura.concentric.net [206.173.118.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D0A115280 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 18:24:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mlduke@concentric.net) Received: from marconi.concentric.net (marconi.concentric.net [206.173.118.71]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id VAA08152; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 21:24:51 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from ts004d45.mer-id.concentric.net (ts004d45.mer-id.concentric.net [206.173.184.201]) by marconi.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id VAA16923; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 21:24:49 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 18:22:09 -0700 (MST) From: mlduke To: m Cc: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Experiences In-Reply-To: <19991221003256.D6B8E639F7@zagnut.hotpop.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I would venture to say we have all been there, done that, several if not many times and have returned to that state, sometimes, when it is least expected. I know I have, among many others. Stick with it. It's worth it. Duke > I'm stuck with FreeBSD. I need more days to rest, and more clear info. > My question is, ever get stuck with it? hated it? wanted to throw it > into an active vulcan tied to a huge rock with a big neon sign that read > 'steal/kick/smash me'? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Dec 20 23:34: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail0.atl.bellsouth.net (mail0.atl.bellsouth.net [205.152.0.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 746021534E for ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 23:34:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from yassinb@bellsouth.net) Received: from bellsouth.net (host-216-78-99-218.asm.bellsouth.net [216.78.99.218]) by mail0.atl.bellsouth.net (3.3.5alt/0.75.2) with ESMTP id CAA27279 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 02:31:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <385F2DE3.B533306E@bellsouth.net> Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 02:36:03 -0500 From: Yassin Banafaee X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Subscribe X-Priority: 2 (High) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Subscribe yassinb@bellsouth.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Dec 21 2:42:19 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from goblin.apana.org.au (goblin.apana.org.au [203.3.126.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8F7814F3F for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 02:42:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by goblin.apana.org.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA16590; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 21:35:35 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from oracle.apana.org.au(203.3.126.130), claiming to be "ORACLE" via SMTP by goblin.apana.org.au, id smtpdj16588; Tue Dec 21 21:35:31 1999 Message-ID: <004901bf4ba0$4bb38510$827e03cb@ORACLE> From: "Doug Young" To: "m" Cc: References: <000701bf4b1d$c76ff040$8ec101ca@bandhu> <19991221003256.D6B8E639F7@zagnut.hotpop.com> Subject: Re: Experiences Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 20:43:59 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.5600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org NO ...... but then I did something REAL stupid ..... I tried to make sense of linux for ages before I saw the light & changed over to "real" unixes :) If anyone thinks FreeBSD info is poor, either they haven't tried to fathom that linux stuff previously (its TOTALLY unintelligible !!!), or haven't read Greg Lehey's excellent tome "The Complete FreeBSD" ----- Original Message ----- From: "m" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 1999 10:32 AM Subject: Experiences > > I'm stuck with FreeBSD. I need more days to rest, and more clear info. > My question is, ever get stuck with it? hated it? wanted to throw it > into an active vulcan tied to a huge rock with a big neon sign that read > 'steal/kick/smash me'? > > Thanks, just airing my frustation. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- > --------------- > "Welcome to my house! Enter freely. Go safely, and leave > something of the happiness you bring!" The strength of > the handshake was so much akin to that which I had noticed > in the driver, whose face I had not seen, that for a moment I > doubted if it were not the same person to whom I was speaking. > So to make sure, I said interrogatively, "Count Dracula?" > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Dec 21 6:37: 1 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from fourier.dotstar.net (fourier.dotstar.net [208.143.93.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37B1A15423 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 06:36:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tymbrwlf@bellsouth.net) Received: from lhawk ([208.143.93.73]) by fourier.dotstar.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-63143U2500L250S0V35) with SMTP id net for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 08:36:37 -0600 Message-ID: <002401bf4bc0$e0facc80$2e00040a@lhawk> Reply-To: "Larry Hawk" From: "Larry Hawk" To: References: <000701bf4b1d$c76ff040$8ec101ca@bandhu> <19991221003256.D6B8E639F7@zagnut.hotpop.com> <004901bf4ba0$4bb38510$827e03cb@ORACLE> Subject: Re: Experiences Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 08:37:15 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org My biggest frustration is with the IRC channels and some of the newsgroups. There have been several times where I have a simple question about something that might take someone 5 minutes to help me with and all they can do is say "hey newbie, MAN ". It's almost like the automatic assumption is that I DON'T try to figure something out on my own before I ask. For example, I was having a big problem getting Samba to work on an NT network and, as it turns out, all I needed to do was change ONE option in my smb.conf file. It took me two weeks to figure this out on my own, and countless beratings (sp?) from (supposed) UNIX know-it-alls. I think that their logic is the whole "give a man a fish, feed him for a day. teach a man to fish, feed him for life" thing. But what they seem to forget is that everybody is a newbie at sometime and helping someone out might actually give them a jump on something else that they're having problems with. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise; UNIX is very complex. I thought the whole idea of the FreeBSD community was to promote FreeBSD, but when new folks get stuck and can't get help, then they're very likely to just say "Screw this! Windows does what I want. I don't need this kind of frustration!". Then you've just sent away a potential user and they'll probably never come back and try again. Unfortunately, not every potential FreeBSD user is a 23 year old college computer major, who hacks code for their research paper. Most of us are competent PC users who want to explore other alternatives besides MS. I am a NT Admin and I consider myself pretty darn knowledgeable about PCs, but my background is 100% MS, so *NIX is very alien to me, so I can't really draw on past experience to help me very much. But I'm learning and I'm quite proud of my progress. Now in all fairness, there were many people who offered to help me. And if it weren't for them I might have given up and throw the FreeBSD CDs in the trash, but they didn't discourage or belittle me. They tried to help and that's were the whole "community" parts comes in. Sorry for rambling. I just had to vent a little.... Larry Hawk tymbrwlf@bellsouth.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Dec 21 9:45: 2 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.titanhosting.com (ns1.titanhosting.com [216.3.179.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 510DB15502 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:44:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lynch@cityisp.net) Received: from localhost (lynch@localhost) by ns1.titanhosting.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA26739 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 12:48:29 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from lynch@cityisp.net) X-Authentication-Warning: ns1.titanhosting.com: lynch owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 12:48:29 -0500 (EST) From: Chris Lynch X-Sender: lynch@ns1.titanhosting.com To: newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Experiences Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Stick with it. It's worth it. Yeah, you'll find that if you are persistent, you will eventually succeed in whatever your having trouble with, like configuring Sound Cards and what not (by the way, if you want an excellent link on how to do just that , check out http://www.freebsdzine.org/199904/features/sound.html, for Plug and Play sound cards. Check your settings through Widnows.) FreeBSD is well worth any trouble you find. It's a long learning curve, but, stick with it. Chris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Dec 21 10:26:48 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from engine2.dhivehinet.net.mv (engine2.dhivehinet.net.mv [202.1.192.211]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEC8214F26 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 10:26:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wyldephyre@telebot.net) Received: from bandhu ([202.1.193.109]) by engine2.dhivehinet.net.mv (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-58493U3000L300S0V35) with SMTP id mv; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 23:26:29 +0500 Message-ID: <000d01bf4bde$0c62fce0$6dc101ca@bandhu> From: "Haikal Saadh" To: "Doug Young" Cc: References: <000701bf4b1d$c76ff040$8ec101ca@bandhu> <19991221003256.D6B8E639F7@zagnut.hotpop.com> <004901bf4ba0$4bb38510$827e03cb@ORACLE> Subject: Re: Experiences Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 23:36:03 +0530 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Amen to that...RedHat absolutely refused to install on my system, so I gave up on it...I didn't hear about FreeBSD until that daemon made it's first appearence on UserFriendly...And I gave it a try, downloading all 300 megs over me poor 56k modem, and from then on, I've never looked back. Oh and i did end up getting 'The Complete FreeBSD'..that tome was held close to me during much of the early days, and still comes in handy for reference. Gonna get 3.4 soon after it's off the presses. ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Young To: m Cc: Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 1999 4:13 PM Subject: Re: Experiences > NO ...... but then I did something REAL stupid ..... I tried to make sense > of linux for ages before > I saw the light & changed over to "real" unixes :) If anyone thinks FreeBSD > info is poor, either they haven't tried to fathom that linux stuff > previously (its TOTALLY unintelligible !!!), or haven't read > Greg Lehey's excellent tome "The Complete FreeBSD" > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "m" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 1999 10:32 AM > Subject: Experiences > > > > > > I'm stuck with FreeBSD. I need more days to rest, and more clear info. > > My question is, ever get stuck with it? hated it? wanted to throw it > > into an active vulcan tied to a huge rock with a big neon sign that read > > 'steal/kick/smash me'? > > > > Thanks, just airing my frustation. > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > > --------------- > > "Welcome to my house! Enter freely. Go safely, and leave > > something of the happiness you bring!" The strength of > > the handshake was so much akin to that which I had noticed > > in the driver, whose face I had not seen, that for a moment I > > doubted if it were not the same person to whom I was speaking. > > So to make sure, I said interrogatively, "Count Dracula?" > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Dec 21 12:59:13 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from goblin.apana.org.au (goblin.apana.org.au [203.3.126.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D53A815140 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 12:59:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by goblin.apana.org.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA17232; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 07:50:11 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from oracle.apana.org.au(203.3.126.130), claiming to be "ORACLE" via SMTP by goblin.apana.org.au, id smtpdf17230; Wed Dec 22 07:50:08 1999 Message-ID: <003501bf4bf6$2483d200$827e03cb@ORACLE> From: "Doug Young" To: "Larry Hawk" Cc: References: <000701bf4b1d$c76ff040$8ec101ca@bandhu> <19991221003256.D6B8E639F7@zagnut.hotpop.com> <004901bf4ba0$4bb38510$827e03cb@ORACLE> <002401bf4bc0$e0facc80$2e00040a@lhawk> Subject: Re: Experiences Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 06:58:31 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.5600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Its like the masonic lodge ..... you need to figure out "the secret handshake" :) Like you I came from a largely Windows background and found this unix stuff impossibly obtuse .... however after messing around with linux for ages I was quite impressed with the way things are organized in "proper" unixes, particularly in respect of documentation & attitudes. The linux geeks seem to enjoy mindless complexity but at least most of the people who work with FreeBSD / Solaris / SCO etc are more practical ..... and then there's that excellent book of Greg Lehey's ...... should be compulsory reading for all newbies. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Hawk" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 1999 12:37 AM Subject: Re: Experiences > My biggest frustration is with the IRC channels and some of the > newsgroups. There have been several times where I have a simple question > about something that might take someone 5 minutes to help me with and all > they can do is say "hey newbie, MAN ". It's almost like the > automatic assumption is that I DON'T try to figure something out on my own > before I ask. For example, I was having a big problem getting Samba to work > on an NT network and, as it turns out, all I needed to do was change ONE > option in my smb.conf file. It took me two weeks to figure this out on my > own, and countless beratings (sp?) from (supposed) UNIX know-it-alls. I > think that their logic is the whole "give a man a fish, feed him for a day. > teach a man to fish, feed him for life" thing. But what they seem to forget > is that everybody is a newbie at sometime and helping someone out might > actually give them a jump on something else that they're having problems > with. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise; UNIX is very complex. > I thought the whole idea of the FreeBSD community was to promote > FreeBSD, but when new folks get stuck and can't get help, then they're very > likely to just say "Screw this! Windows does what I want. I don't need this > kind of frustration!". Then you've just sent away a potential user and > they'll probably never come back and try again. Unfortunately, not every > potential FreeBSD user is a 23 year old college computer major, who hacks > code for their research paper. Most of us are competent PC users who want to > explore other alternatives besides MS. I am a NT Admin and I consider myself > pretty darn knowledgeable about PCs, but my background is 100% MS, so *NIX > is very alien to me, so I can't really draw on past experience to help me > very much. But I'm learning and I'm quite proud of my progress. > Now in all fairness, there were many people who offered to help me. And > if it weren't for them I might have given up and throw the FreeBSD CDs in > the trash, but they didn't discourage or belittle me. They tried to help and > that's were the whole "community" parts comes in. > Sorry for rambling. I just had to vent a little.... > > Larry Hawk > tymbrwlf@bellsouth.net > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Dec 21 13: 1:53 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from goblin.apana.org.au (goblin.apana.org.au [203.3.126.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B254155A5 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 13:01:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by goblin.apana.org.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA17240; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 07:55:11 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from oracle.apana.org.au(203.3.126.130), claiming to be "ORACLE" via SMTP by goblin.apana.org.au, id smtpdI17238; Wed Dec 22 07:55:06 1999 Message-ID: <004801bf4bf6$d611ec00$827e03cb@ORACLE> From: "Doug Young" To: "Haikal Saadh" Cc: References: <000701bf4b1d$c76ff040$8ec101ca@bandhu> <19991221003256.D6B8E639F7@zagnut.hotpop.com> <004901bf4ba0$4bb38510$827e03cb@ORACLE> <000d01bf4bde$0c62fce0$6dc101ca@bandhu> Subject: Re: Experiences Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 07:03:29 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.5600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org dunno if I'm beginning to turn gekish but I'm thinking about going straight from 3.2 to 4.0 :) ...... well its not as if my FreeBSD box does a lot of strenuous work .... it just runs a permanent modem connection to my non-profit organization "internet access provider" with an assortment of other machines on a LAN ..... downloading the whole 600Mb or whatever isn't really a problem if I time it for off-peak hours ----- Original Message ----- From: "Haikal Saadh" To: "Doug Young" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 1999 4:06 AM Subject: Re: Experiences > Amen to that...RedHat absolutely refused to install on my system, so I gave > up on it...I didn't hear about FreeBSD until that daemon made it's first > appearence on UserFriendly...And I gave it a try, downloading all 300 megs > over me poor 56k modem, and from then on, I've never looked back. Oh and i > did end up getting 'The Complete FreeBSD'..that tome was held close to me > during much of the early days, and still comes in handy for reference. > > Gonna get 3.4 soon after it's off the presses. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Doug Young > To: m > Cc: > Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 1999 4:13 PM > Subject: Re: Experiences > > > > NO ...... but then I did something REAL stupid ..... I tried to make sense > > of linux for ages before > > I saw the light & changed over to "real" unixes :) If anyone thinks > FreeBSD > > info is poor, either they haven't tried to fathom that linux stuff > > previously (its TOTALLY unintelligible !!!), or haven't read > > Greg Lehey's excellent tome "The Complete FreeBSD" > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "m" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 1999 10:32 AM > > Subject: Experiences > > > > > > > > > > I'm stuck with FreeBSD. I need more days to rest, and more clear info. > > > My question is, ever get stuck with it? hated it? wanted to throw it > > > into an active vulcan tied to a huge rock with a big neon sign that read > > > 'steal/kick/smash me'? > > > > > > Thanks, just airing my frustation. > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > --- > > > --------------- > > > "Welcome to my house! Enter freely. Go safely, and leave > > > something of the happiness you bring!" The strength of > > > the handshake was so much akin to that which I had noticed > > > in the driver, whose face I had not seen, that for a moment I > > > doubted if it were not the same person to whom I was speaking. > > > So to make sure, I said interrogatively, "Count Dracula?" > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Dec 21 14: 0:52 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from stinger.tds.com.au (stinger.tenix.com [203.103.237.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 180AE15554 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 14:00:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lito.cruz@tenix.com) Received: (from smap@localhost) by stinger.tds.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA05539 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 08:55:00 +1100 (EDT) Received: from python.tds.com.au(203.103.237.14) by stinger.tds.com.au via TENIX (V6) id xma005530; Wed, 22 Dec 99 08:54:37 +1100 Received: from [10.112.200.197] by python.tds.com.au via smtpd (for stinger.tds.com.au [203.103.237.13]) with SMTP; 21 Dec 1999 21:54:29 UT Received: from peacemaker.tenix.com (unverified) by mime_sweeper (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with ESMTP id ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 08:59:48 +1100 Received: by PEACEMAKER with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 08:59:30 +1100 Message-Id: <6B750866A70DD311A18400902760DD0E504073@TITAN> From: CRUZ Lito To: "'Larry Hawk'" , newbies@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Experiences Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 08:53:53 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org My biggest frustration is with the IRC channels and some of the newsgroups. There have been several times where I have a simple question about something that might take someone 5 minutes to help me with and all they can do is say "hey newbie, MAN ". It's almost like the automatic assumption is that I DON'T try to figure something out on my own before I ask. -------------------------- Your experience matches mine. They seem to pressume that part of being a newbie is not to read a manual. Sometimes you do read it and still won't get a clue as to what is happening. regards, LC To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Dec 21 19: 8:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from darius.concentric.net (darius.concentric.net [207.155.198.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A68714C0E for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 19:08:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mlduke@concentric.net) Received: from newman.concentric.net (newman.concentric.net [207.155.198.71]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id WAA12136; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 22:08:51 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from ts002d12.mer-id.concentric.net (ts002d12.mer-id.concentric.net [206.173.184.72]) by newman.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id WAA13872; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 22:08:49 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 19:06:10 -0700 (MST) From: mlduke To: CRUZ Lito Cc: "'Larry Hawk'" , newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Experiences In-Reply-To: <6B750866A70DD311A18400902760DD0E504073@TITAN> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > they can do is say "hey newbie, MAN ". It's almost like the > automatic assumption is that I DON'T try to figure something out on my own > before I ask. I have found that "I read 'man x' and it's still Greek" to work effectively, as well as things like "baffeled by the handbook". They have all BTDT. Duke To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Dec 21 19:39:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from goblin.apana.org.au (goblin.apana.org.au [203.3.126.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4D2B15037 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 19:39:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by goblin.apana.org.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA17607; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 14:33:14 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from oracle.apana.org.au(203.3.126.130), claiming to be "ORACLE" via SMTP by goblin.apana.org.au, id smtpde17605; Wed Dec 22 14:33:08 1999 Message-ID: <015701bf4c2e$6dc58110$827e03cb@ORACLE> From: "Doug Young" To: "mlduke" Cc: References: Subject: Re: Experiences Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 13:41:26 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.5600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Whats this "greek" stuff ..... all this time I thought it was from some forgotten planet !!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "mlduke" To: "CRUZ Lito" Cc: "'Larry Hawk'" ; Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 1999 12:06 PM Subject: RE: Experiences > > they can do is say "hey newbie, MAN ". It's almost like the > > automatic assumption is that I DON'T try to figure something out on my own > > before I ask. > > I have found that "I read 'man x' and it's still Greek" to work > effectively, as well as things like "baffeled by the handbook". > They have all BTDT. > > Duke > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Dec 22 11:20:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from web604.mail.yahoo.com (web604.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.168]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5C1E615518 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 11:20:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gaotu@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 19640 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Dec 1999 19:20:32 -0000 Message-ID: <19991222192032.19639.qmail@web604.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [147.145.40.42] by web604.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 11:20:32 PST Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 11:20:32 -0800 (PST) From: Gao Tu Subject: Fwd: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Hi All > > I just bought a HP Pavilion 8562 PC and I want to > install freebsd on it. However, my friend who is a > pretty experienced freebsd user told me there might > be > hardware issues (ig. freebsd will not support the > hardware in the Pavilion PC). > > Is there anyone out there successed in installing > freebsd on such machine? Or someone have bad lucky > on > this machine? Please let me know , so I can decide > if > I should return the computer or not. > > If you have experienced things on similar models, > can > you let me know too? > > > Thanks! > > gao > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in > one place. > Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Dec 22 11:53:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from engine2.dhivehinet.net.mv (engine2.dhivehinet.net.mv [202.1.192.211]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EEA614F90 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 11:53:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wyldephyre2@yahoo.com) Received: from bandhu ([202.1.193.104]) by engine2.dhivehinet.net.mv (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-58493U3000L300S0V35) with SMTP id mv for ; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 00:53:04 +0500 Message-ID: <00e601bf4cb3$4ef99660$68c101ca@bandhu> From: "Haikal Saadh" To: Subject: CVSupping over a modem connection... Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 01:02:37 +0530 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org has anyone tried it? How long did it take? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Dec 22 12:13:11 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from web606.mail.yahoo.com (web606.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.170]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id ABDF7155B3 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 12:13:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gaotu@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 29004 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Dec 1999 20:13:09 -0000 Message-ID: <19991222201309.29003.qmail@web606.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [147.145.40.42] by web606.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 12:13:09 PST Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 12:13:09 -0800 (PST) From: Gao Tu Subject: freebsd on HP 8562 PC? To: newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, Does anyone out there have exprience installing freebsd on HP Pavilion 8562 PC? or similar models? Any success or failture reproted? Thanks gao __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Dec 22 13: 2:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mailc.telia.com (mailc.telia.com [194.22.190.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E0CD15594 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 13:02:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from james.wilde@telia.com) Received: from ents02 (t2o73p95.telia.com [62.20.218.215]) by mailc.telia.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA17783 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 22:02:43 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <04dc01bf4cbf$e726fde0$8208a8c0@iqunlimited.net> From: "James A Wilde" To: Subject: readonly filesystem to read-write Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 22:02:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi: I loaded FBSD 3.1 on an old pentium today. The network card was not working so I added some lines to rc.conf. Unfortunately the first of these lacked the " before the value so the boot process bombed out at, presumably, single user stage. No editors were available except ed but ed couldn't do anything since the file system was readonly. I can't mv the file either for the same reason. How do I change the state of the file system to read-write so that I can at least boot the system all the way and then repair the file with vi? TIA mvh/regards James To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Dec 22 13:55:44 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from fourier.dotstar.net (fourier.dotstar.net [208.143.93.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E40215602 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 13:55:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tymbrwlf@bellsouth.net) Received: from lhawk ([208.143.93.73]) by fourier.dotstar.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-63143U2500L250S0V35) with SMTP id net for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 15:55:14 -0600 Message-ID: <000601bf4cc7$54ab2b50$2e00040a@lhawk> Reply-To: "Larry Hawk" From: "Larry Hawk" To: References: <04dc01bf4cbf$e726fde0$8208a8c0@iqunlimited.net> Subject: Re: readonly filesystem to read-write Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 15:55:57 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org That happened to me once and the only thing I could do was re-install, and the second time around, I put any modifications to my rc.conf at the end of the file so that hopefully, if I mistyped something, it would still boot... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Dec 22 15: 6:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk (serenity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A0D0150E0 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 15:06:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jcm@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97]) by serenity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #3) for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org id 120uq4-0003kr-00; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 23:06:36 +0000 Received: from localhost (jcm@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA15166 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 23:06:36 GMT (envelope-from jcm@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 23:06:36 +0000 (GMT) From: Jonathon McKitrick To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: setting up a laptop workstation Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Does anyone have any ideas on what i could install on a freebsd laptop to make it a nice useable workstation, not just a netsurfer? I have Lyx, netscape, and a few editors installed. I would like to avoid staroffice, but i might end up getting it after all. -jm To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Dec 22 15:41:16 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from nexttown.buckhorn.net (nexttown.buckhorn.net [207.18.130.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F126215674 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 15:41:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bob@buckhorn.net) Received: from buckhorn.net (nexttown.buckhorn.net [207.18.130.2]) by nexttown.buckhorn.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA86472; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 17:40:52 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from bob@buckhorn.net) Message-ID: <38616184.FF154287@buckhorn.net> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 17:40:52 -0600 From: Bob Martin Reply-To: Bob@buckhorn.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: James A Wilde Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: readonly filesystem to read-write References: <04dc01bf4cbf$e726fde0$8208a8c0@iqunlimited.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org James A Wilde wrote: > > Hi: > > I loaded FBSD 3.1 on an old pentium today. The network card was not working > so I > added some lines to rc.conf. Unfortunately the first of these lacked the " > before the value > so the boot process bombed out at, presumably, single user stage. No > editors were available > except ed but ed couldn't do anything since the file system was readonly. I > can't mv the file > either for the same reason. > > How do I change the state of the file system to read-write so that I can at > least boot the > system all the way and then repair the file with vi? > > TIA > > mvh/regards > > James > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message Assuming a standard installation: umount / mount / mount /usr Bob Martin -- "I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones." -- Albert Einstein To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Dec 22 16:27:44 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from news-ma.rhein-neckar.de (news-ma.rhein-neckar.de [193.197.90.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3BE01512E for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 16:27:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from daemon@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de) Received: from bigeye.rhein-neckar.de (uucp@localhost) by news-ma.rhein-neckar.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with bsmtp id BAA07519 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 01:27:13 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from daemon@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by bigeye.rhein-neckar.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA62381 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 00:54:06 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from daemon) From: naddy@mips.rhein-neckar.de (Christian Weisgerber) Subject: Re: CVSupping over a modem connection... Date: 23 Dec 1999 00:54:05 +0100 Message-ID: <83roat$1st4$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> References: <00e601bf4cb3$4ef99660$68c101ca@bandhu> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Haikal Saadh wrote: > has anyone tried it? Well, I'm cvsupping over a single ISDN B channel, which is the same order of magnitude. For frequent updates with small amounts of changed data--I'm doing a daily cvsup of the repository--the bottleneck is the local disk rather than the 64kbit/s line. At the other extreme, getting the complete tree starting from nothing takes a bit of time. > How long did it take? Depends on how much new data there is. Look, I don't have hard figures, but I wouldn't mind running cvsup over a V.34 modem. Due to the design of the CVSup protocol, it is not sensitive to latency. -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.rhein-neckar.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Dec 22 19:24:56 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.fwi.com (mail.fwi.com [209.84.160.144]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0090F15758 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 19:24:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tdixon@fwi.com) Received: (qmail 5230 invoked from network); 23 Dec 1999 03:24:53 -0000 Received: from fw-line-85.fwi.com (209.84.172.90) by mail.fwi.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 1999 03:24:53 -0000 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 12:02:54 -0500 (EST) From: Tim Dixon To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Change default shell Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi! I've just gotten my FreeBSD 3.3 system running; I created a user account for myself a while back, but have decided I like bash better than sh and now I want to change my default shell to bash. I edited /etc/passwd so that the shell path at the end of my user's line reads /usr/share/bin/bash which is where bash is installed (I installed the package vi sysinstall), but it doesn't seem to be working. I still get sh when I log in. Anybody know what I've done wrong? Thanks! Tim Dixon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Dec 22 19:34:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from jade.chc-chimes.com (jade.chc-chimes.com [216.28.46.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C64B156CD for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 19:34:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jthiel@chc-chimes.com) Received: from hobbes (pixnat.chc-chimes.com [216.28.46.20]) by jade.chc-chimes.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 4C8F91C41 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 22:33:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <027801bf4cf6$a0a1fe60$445110ac@internal.chcchimes.com> From: "jeremy Thiel" To: Subject: RE: freebsd on HP 8562 PC? Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 22:34:32 -0500 Organization: CHC - Ventures MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0275_01BF4CCC.B7BB2D80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0275_01BF4CCC.B7BB2D80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have an HP Pavilion 8290 and was able to successfully dual boot with = Windoze and FreeBSD 3.3R. All went very smooth. I did recompile the = kernel and the hardware appears works just fine. I hope this helps. Jeremy Thiel | | Computer Horizons Corp. | | jthiel@chc-chimes.com NT & UNIX System Operator | | We work TWO days as one. 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I have an HP Pavilion 8290 and was able to successfully dual boot = with=20 Windoze and FreeBSD 3.3R. All went very smooth. I did recompile the = kernel=20 and the hardware appears works just fine. I hope this helps.
 
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Thanks
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------=_NextPart_000_0275_01BF4CCC.B7BB2D80-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Dec 23 2:44:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.surf24.de (mail.surf24.de [212.62.192.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B886514DE7 for ; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 02:44:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Rainer.Duffner@surf24.de) Received: from duffner.surf24.de (surf224.surf24.de [212.62.193.224]) by mail.surf24.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA18973; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 11:45:40 +0100 Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 11:07:27 +0000 (MEZ) From: Rainer M Duffner Subject: Re: CVSupping over a modem connection... To: Haikal Saadh Cc: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <00e601bf4cb3$4ef99660$68c101ca@bandhu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: enigma, http://www-stud.fh-konstanz.de/~enigma X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed 22 Dec, Haikal Saadh wrote: > has anyone tried it? Yes, I do it regularily. > How long did it take? 1/2 hour or so. It depends on how long I have not been cvsup'ing. It's not a big deal, provided you already have the sources installed (I do it always when I install a system). Have I seen it correctly that there is e.g. no central Linux-kernel cvs-repository ? I wonder how they can still develop their kernel. Must be pretty difficult. cheers, Rainer -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |Rainer Duffner, E-Mail: duffner@fh-konstanz.de | | & Rainer.Duffner@surf24.de | |Fachhochschule Konstanz, Germany | |"What's a Network ?" - Bill Gates, early 1980s | | WWW:http://www-stud.fh-konstanz.de/~duffner | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Dec 23 2:44:16 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.surf24.de (mail.surf24.de [212.62.192.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4B8914ECE for ; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 02:44:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Rainer.Duffner@surf24.de) Received: from duffner.surf24.de (surf224.surf24.de [212.62.193.224]) by mail.surf24.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA18969; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 11:45:38 +0100 Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 11:13:06 +0000 (MEZ) From: Rainer M Duffner Subject: Re: Change default shell To: Tim Dixon Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: enigma, http://www-stud.fh-konstanz.de/~enigma X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed 22 Dec, Tim Dixon wrote: > Hi! > > I've just gotten my FreeBSD 3.3 system running; I created a user account > for myself a while back, but have decided I like bash better than sh and > now I want to change my default shell to bash. That's OK. > I edited /etc/passwd so that the shell path at the end of my user's line > reads /usr/share/bin/bash which is where bash is installed (I installed > the package vi sysinstall), but it doesn't seem to be working. That's correct. Use chsh for that - and put bash into /etc/shells (I think), so that the system can recognize it as a "legal" shell. > I still > get sh when I log in. And be carefull when changing root's shell ! > Anybody know what I've done wrong? Just a newbie-mistake ;-) I happened to read about the chsh-command before I felt the urge to change the shell ;-) cheers, Rainer -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |Rainer Duffner, E-Mail: duffner@fh-konstanz.de | | & Rainer.Duffner@surf24.de | |Fachhochschule Konstanz, Germany | |"What's a Network ?" - Bill Gates, early 1980s | | WWW:http://www-stud.fh-konstanz.de/~duffner | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Dec 23 2:58:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from athserv.otenet.gr (athserv.otenet.gr [195.170.0.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93015155D1 for ; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 02:58:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from keramida@diogenis.ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from localhost.hell.gr (patr530-a090.otenet.gr [195.167.115.90]) by athserv.otenet.gr (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA29618 for ; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 12:58:27 +0200 (EET) Received: (qmail 8965 invoked by uid 1001); 23 Dec 1999 09:28:56 -0000 Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 11:28:56 +0200 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Haikal Saadh Cc: newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CVSupping over a modem connection... Message-ID: <19991223112856.C8547@hades.hell.gr> Reply-To: keramida@ceid.upatras.gr References: <00e601bf4cb3$4ef99660$68c101ca@bandhu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3i In-Reply-To: <00e601bf4cb3$4ef99660$68c101ca@bandhu> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Dec 23, 1999 at 01:02:37AM +0530, Haikal Saadh wrote: | | has anyone tried it? | How long did it take? When I tried CVSup for the first time, with a /usr/src tree from 3.0 in an effort to upgrade it to 3.3-STABLE, it took close to 4 hours on my 28.8 modem. Now that I'm doing almost weekly updates of the tree, it takes almost half an hour, and that's because my disk is too slow reading and diff'ing the entire /usr/ports tree. Ciao. -- Giorgos Keramidas, "What we have to learn to do, we learn by doing." [Aristotle] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Dec 23 2:58:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from athserv.otenet.gr (athserv.otenet.gr [195.170.0.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18525155CE for ; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 02:58:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from keramida@diogenis.ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from localhost.hell.gr (patr530-a090.otenet.gr [195.167.115.90]) by athserv.otenet.gr (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA29619 for ; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 12:58:27 +0200 (EET) Received: (qmail 8998 invoked by uid 1001); 23 Dec 1999 09:34:12 -0000 Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 11:34:12 +0200 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: James A Wilde Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: readonly filesystem to read-write Message-ID: <19991223113412.D8547@hades.hell.gr> Reply-To: keramida@ceid.upatras.gr References: <04dc01bf4cbf$e726fde0$8208a8c0@iqunlimited.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3i In-Reply-To: <04dc01bf4cbf$e726fde0$8208a8c0@iqunlimited.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Dec 22, 1999 at 10:02:48PM +0100, James A Wilde wrote: | Hi: | | I loaded FBSD 3.1 on an old pentium today. The network card was not working | so I | added some lines to rc.conf. Unfortunately the first of these lacked the " | before the value | so the boot process bombed out at, presumably, single user stage. No | editors were available | except ed but ed couldn't do anything since the file system was readonly. I | can't mv the file | either for the same reason. | | How do I change the state of the file system to read-write so that I can at | least boot the | system all the way and then repair the file with vi? If you use the following command, all the filesystems will be mounted with the flags that they have in /etc/fstab. This should fix those that have been mounted read-only: # mount -a -u Then you can edit your /etc/fstab with your favorite editor, be it ed(1), vi(1), or anything you prefer. HOWEVER, please do remember to umount the filesystems cleanly before hitting the big red button. If you do a: # umount -a then you should be ready to go. On the other hand, if you just want to mount / as read-write, and use the canonical Unix editor, that is ed(1), to edit your /etc/fstab, you can do (right after booting and having the root-fs mounted read-only): # mount -u / which will mount it read-write. The rest of it you know already... Ciao. -- Giorgos Keramidas, "What we have to learn to do, we learn by doing." [Aristotle] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Dec 23 2:58:35 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from athserv.otenet.gr (athserv.otenet.gr [195.170.0.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48EAF155D9 for ; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 02:58:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from keramida@diogenis.ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from localhost.hell.gr (patr530-a090.otenet.gr [195.167.115.90]) by athserv.otenet.gr (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA29624 for ; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 12:58:27 +0200 (EET) Received: (qmail 8954 invoked by uid 1001); 23 Dec 1999 09:26:07 -0000 Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 11:26:07 +0200 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Doug Young Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Experiences Message-ID: <19991223112607.B8547@hades.hell.gr> Reply-To: keramida@ceid.upatras.gr References: <015701bf4c2e$6dc58110$827e03cb@ORACLE> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3i In-Reply-To: <015701bf4c2e$6dc58110$827e03cb@ORACLE> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Dec 22, 1999 at 01:41:26PM +1000, Doug Young wrote: > > Whats this "greek" stuff ..... all this time I thought it was from some > forgotten planet !!!!! It's from planet Greece where I come from :P There manual pages used to be written in this arcane and really ole' language, called greek, until someone enlightened enough told everyone that good ol' rhyme about translations: "Translations are in many ways exactly like women; one that is faithful is not beautiful, and one that is beautiful is not faithful." With my best wishes for a Merry Christmas to the translation project, which Im thinking of joining once I get my BSD to write in this arcane language o' mine, called "greek". > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mlduke" > To: "CRUZ Lito" > Cc: "'Larry Hawk'" ; > Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 1999 12:06 PM > Subject: RE: Experiences > > > > > they can do is say "hey newbie, MAN ". It's almost like the > > > automatic assumption is that I DON'T try to figure something out on my > own > > > before I ask. > > > > I have found that "I read 'man x' and it's still Greek" to work > > effectively, as well as things like "baffeled by the handbook". > > They have all BTDT. > > > > Duke -- Giorgos Keramidas, "What we have to learn to do, we learn by doing." [Aristotle] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Dec 23 3:16:56 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from goblin.apana.org.au (goblin.apana.org.au [203.3.126.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 069E514D34 for ; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 03:16:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by goblin.apana.org.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA19594; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 22:09:40 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from oracle.apana.org.au(203.3.126.130), claiming to be "ORACLE" via SMTP by goblin.apana.org.au, id smtpdq19592; Thu Dec 23 22:09:28 1999 Message-ID: <00dd01bf4d37$4c351330$827e03cb@ORACLE> From: "Doug Young" To: Cc: References: <015701bf4c2e$6dc58110$827e03cb@ORACLE> <19991223112607.B8547@hades.hell.gr> Subject: Re: Experiences Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 21:17:25 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.5600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I guess a heap of people would welcome a translation into ANY earthly language :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Giorgos Keramidas" To: "Doug Young" Cc: Sent: Thursday, December 23, 1999 7:26 PM Subject: Re: Experiences > On Wed, Dec 22, 1999 at 01:41:26PM +1000, Doug Young wrote: > > > > Whats this "greek" stuff ..... all this time I thought it was from some > > forgotten planet !!!!! > > It's from planet Greece where I come from :P > > There manual pages used to be written in this arcane and really ole' > language, called greek, until someone enlightened enough told everyone > that good ol' rhyme about translations: > > "Translations are in many ways exactly like women; one that is > faithful is not beautiful, and one that is beautiful is not > faithful." > > With my best wishes for a Merry Christmas to the translation project, > which Im thinking of joining once I get my BSD to write in this arcane > language o' mine, called "greek". > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "mlduke" > > To: "CRUZ Lito" > > Cc: "'Larry Hawk'" ; > > Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 1999 12:06 PM > > Subject: RE: Experiences > > > > > > > > they can do is say "hey newbie, MAN ". It's almost like the > > > > automatic assumption is that I DON'T try to figure something out on my > > own > > > > before I ask. > > > > > > I have found that "I read 'man x' and it's still Greek" to work > > > effectively, as well as things like "baffeled by the handbook". > > > They have all BTDT. > > > > > > Duke > > -- > Giorgos Keramidas, > "What we have to learn to do, we learn by doing." [Aristotle] > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Dec 23 6:52:27 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from proton.fhsu.edu (proton.fhsu.edu [198.248.126.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0F2215633 for ; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 06:52:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shoe@proton.fhsu.edu) Received: (from shoe@localhost) by proton.fhsu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA00303 for freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 03:44:29 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from shoe) From: Kurt Schuster Message-Id: <199912230944.DAA00303@proton.fhsu.edu> Subject: working ppp To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 03:44:29 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I am trying to get my computer to dial up to a local isp, could someone please send me a working copy of 'ppp.conf'and 'ppp.linkup', and any other files that need to be configured. Thank You Kurt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Dec 23 8: 0:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from cepheus.azstarnet.com (cepheus.azstarnet.com [169.197.56.195]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94A5015012 for ; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 08:00:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sbcorey@azstarnet.com) Received: from azstarnet.com (dialup20ip077.tus.azstarnet.com [169.197.39.205]) by cepheus.azstarnet.com (8.9.3+blt.Beta0/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA16109; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 09:00:24 -0700 (MST) X-Sent-via: StarNet http://www.azstarnet.com/ Message-ID: <386247E8.189BAB7C@azstarnet.com> Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 09:03:52 -0700 From: Scott Corey X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kurt Schuster Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: working ppp References: <199912230944.DAA00303@proton.fhsu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Kurt Schuster wrote: > > I am trying to get my computer to dial up to a local isp, could someone please send me a working copy of 'ppp.conf'and 'ppp.linkup', and any other files that need to be configured. > > Thank You > Kurt You already have some examples installed on your system. Try : /usr/src/share/examples/ppp/ppp.conf.sample /usr/src/share/examples/ppp/ppp.linkup.sample Also try this link: http://www.freebsd.org/tutorials/ppp/ Scott To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Dec 23 11:59:41 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pau-amma.whistle.com (pau-amma.whistle.com [207.76.205.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2A0E14E02 for ; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 11:59:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dhw@whistle.com) Received: (from dhw@localhost) by pau-amma.whistle.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) id LAA65489; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 11:59:39 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 11:59:39 -0800 (PST) From: David Wolfskill Message-Id: <199912231959.LAA65489@pau-amma.whistle.com> To: tymbrwlf@bellsouth.net Subject: Re: Experiences Cc: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <002401bf4bc0$e0facc80$2e00040a@lhawk> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Reply-To: "Larry Hawk" [Cc:d to -newbies despite this. dhw] >From: "Larry Hawk" >Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 08:37:15 -0600 > My biggest frustration is with the IRC channels and some of the >newsgroups.... Please note that to some extent, the mechanisms you use for the communication will self-select the pool of possible responders. Not everyone has the time & inclination (as well as other requisite resources) to use IRC or USENET. >.... But what they seem to forget >is that everybody is a newbie at sometime.... Well, there are some of us who still feel like "newbies" to FreeBSD (despite many years of UNIX administration experience).... >Don't let anyone tell you otherwise; UNIX is very complex. That's going to be dependent, among other things, on the perspective and background of the observer. It certainly has complex aspects; no working OS doesn't. Whether or not you (as a user or administrator of the system) have that exposed to you is a rather different matter: I suggest that a relatively small number of folks who are capable of using (say) a microwave oven would also be able to write the code for the CPU that controls that appliance (and get it right, of course). > I thought the whole idea of the FreeBSD community was to promote >FreeBSD, Hmmmm.... Dunno; I don't recall seeing that expressed in that way previously. My impression was merely that the "FreeBSD community" was a rather eclectic group of individuals with various talents and perspectives, united by a desire to use and/or contribute to this working, free OS. "Promotion", per se, can be of significant value, but I'd be hard-pressed to consider that a goal in and of itself. >but when new folks get stuck and can't get help, then they're very >likely to just say "Screw this! Windows does what I want. I don't need this >kind of frustration!". Well, there again, this is observer-perception-sensitive. I, for example, have reacted precisely that way the few times I've tried to use a Microsoft product for something. >.... Unfortunately, not every potential FreeBSD user is a 23 year old >college computer major, who hacks code for their research paper. Although I was a CS major, my 23rd birthday was in 1974. :-} (This, for the record, was somewhat prior to the existence of "FreeBSD", per se.) >Most of us are competent PC users who want to >explore other alternatives besides MS. Ummmm.... Well, that may well describe you. It does not describe me -- though I hardly mind being somewhat anomalous. >I am a NT Admin and I consider myself >pretty darn knowledgeable about PCs, but my background is 100% MS, so *NIX >is very alien to me, so I can't really draw on past experience to help me >very much. But I'm learning and I'm quite proud of my progress. Well, congratulations! (Seriously!) As for me, PC hardware (& firmware & history) is one of my weakest spots. From my perspective, UNIX itself is pretty straightforward; it's the interactions with the hardware that engender confusion & grief. (Then again, back when I was an MVS systems programmer, I once wrote a program that did no I/O at all; to use it, one needed to run it under a debugger. But then, I *really* dislike I/O.) > Now in all fairness, there were many people who offered to help me. And >if it weren't for them I might have given up and throw the FreeBSD CDs in >the trash, but they didn't discourage or belittle me. They tried to help and >that's were the whole "community" parts comes in. Amen. > Sorry for rambling. I just had to vent a little.... Well, seems to me that if you needed to do that, this was probably an optimal forum for it. :-) Peace, david -- David Wolfskill dhw@whistle.com UNIX System Administrator voice: (650) 577-7158 pager: (888) 347-0197 FAX: (650) 372-5915 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Dec 23 12:26:11 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pau-amma.whistle.com (pau-amma.whistle.com [207.76.205.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2CEF14F0E for ; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 12:26:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dhw@whistle.com) Received: (from dhw@localhost) by pau-amma.whistle.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) id MAA65665; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 12:26:08 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 12:26:08 -0800 (PST) From: David Wolfskill Message-Id: <199912232026.MAA65665@pau-amma.whistle.com> To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, jcm@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org Subject: Re: setting up a laptop workstation In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 23:06:36 +0000 (GMT) >From: Jonathon McKitrick >Does anyone have any ideas on what i could install on a freebsd laptop to >make it a nice useable workstation, not just a netsurfer? I have Lyx, >netscape, and a few editors installed. I would like to avoid staroffice, >but i might end up getting it after all. Well, if I ever get a laptop, I'd probably install such things as: * magicpoint (for presentations) * xfig (for drawing diagrams &c.) * xv (for image display & some manipulation) * xpaint (for more image manipulation) Assuming that I'd have groff on there anyway, that combination would suit me as far as generating PostScript (for printing) for letters, memos, signs, diagrams, charts, slides, whatever. BTW, at the December BayLISA (http://www.baylisa.org/) meeting, one of the "Short but Cool" talks was from one of the (3) principals in a new start-up called "TuxTops"; they're working on being able to sell laptops with Linux (at first) and FreeBSD & OpenBSD (later) pre-installed... with no "Microsoft tax". He (Mark) indicated that they hoped to be able to start shipping within a few months. Cheers, david -- David Wolfskill dhw@whistle.com UNIX System Administrator voice: (650) 577-7158 pager: (888) 347-0197 FAX: (650) 372-5915 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Dec 23 18:30:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from news-ma.rhein-neckar.de (news-ma.rhein-neckar.de [193.197.90.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB0321566D for ; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 18:30:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from daemon@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de) Received: from bigeye.rhein-neckar.de (uucp@localhost) by news-ma.rhein-neckar.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with bsmtp id DAA27291 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Fri, 24 Dec 1999 03:30:46 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from daemon@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by bigeye.rhein-neckar.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA13655 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Fri, 24 Dec 1999 02:13:36 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from daemon) From: naddy@mips.rhein-neckar.de (Christian Weisgerber) Subject: Re: CVSupping over a modem connection... Date: 24 Dec 1999 02:13:35 +0100 Message-ID: <83uhbv$daa$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> References: <00e601bf4cb3$4ef99660$68c101ca@bandhu> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Rainer M Duffner wrote: > Have I seen it correctly that there is e.g. no central Linux-kernel > cvs-repository ? Correct. > I wonder how they can still develop their kernel. Must > be pretty difficult. "Linux scales, but Linus doesn't" they used to say. There's a tree of developers with Linus at its root. Changes are propagated as patches up the tree. Eventually Linus releases a new version as tarball and patch against the previous release. So you have flows of patch files and a lot of people merging them into their respective source trees. Apparently it works well enough. -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.rhein-neckar.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Dec 24 1:18: 2 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hodnet.dev.nanoteq.co.za (hodnet.dev.nanoteq.co.za [196.7.114.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E32814DE3 for ; Fri, 24 Dec 1999 01:17:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rk@hodnet.dev.nanoteq.co.za) Received: (from rk@localhost) by hodnet.dev.nanoteq.co.za (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA06554 for freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG; Fri, 24 Dec 1999 11:19:35 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from rk) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 11:19:35 +0200 (SAST) From: Riaan Kruger To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: tun device and tunneling Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Does anyone know where I can find more information (except for 'man tun') on the tun device and how it can be used for tunneling? ---------------------------------- E-Mail: Riaan Kruger Date: 24-Dec-99 Time: 11:17:21 ---------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Dec 24 4:58:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from zagnut.hotpop.com (zagnut.hotpop.com [204.57.55.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBFF115168 for ; Fri, 24 Dec 1999 04:58:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kamidesu@hotpop.com) Received: from wingate (unknown [216.72.93.121]) by zagnut.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 12322639CE for ; Fri, 24 Dec 1999 07:58:11 -0500 (EST) From: m To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Browser In-Reply-To: <385849DF.F6BCAC62@voicenet.com> References: <006601bf4737$6c4cf760$500155cc@terraserver.com> <385849DF.F6BCAC62@voicenet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Becky! ver 1.25.07 Message-Id: <19991224125811.12322639CE@zagnut.hotpop.com> Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 07:58:11 -0500 (EST) X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello. Not that my PPP is working, but what browser/email client would you recommend and why? I have sendmail and fetch, and I'm donloading pine. I'd like to be able to check various email accounts at a time. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Dec 24 10:17:20 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from uhura.concentric.net (uhura.concentric.net [206.173.118.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 338DD14DF6 for ; Fri, 24 Dec 1999 10:17:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mlduke@concentric.net) Received: from cliff.concentric.net (cliff.concentric.net [206.173.118.90]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id NAA09851; Fri, 24 Dec 1999 13:17:00 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from ts001d16.mer-id.concentric.net (ts001d16.mer-id.concentric.net [206.173.184.28]) by cliff.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id NAA22768; Fri, 24 Dec 1999 13:16:58 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 10:14:19 -0700 (MST) From: mlduke To: m Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Browser In-Reply-To: <19991224125811.12322639CE@zagnut.hotpop.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org fetchmail works fine, Lynx is excellent for browsing sites that you want text only from and Netscape works fine for graphic sites. Duke > Hello. Not that my PPP is working, but what browser/email client would > you recommend and why? I have sendmail and fetch, and I'm donloading > pine. > > I'd like to be able to check various email accounts at a time. > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Dec 24 11:46:16 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from voicenet.com (mail12.voicenet.com [207.103.0.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2B3D615102 for ; Fri, 24 Dec 1999 11:46:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from schwenk@voicenet.com) Received: (qmail 25490 invoked from network); 24 Dec 1999 19:46:12 -0000 Received: from dialpool0846-pri.voicenet.com (HELO voicenet.com) (209.71.86.241) by mail12.voicenet.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 1999 19:46:12 -0000 Message-ID: <3863CED3.103E2B14@voicenet.com> Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 14:51:47 -0500 From: "Peter A. Schwenk" Organization: Schwenk X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Riaan Kruger Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: tun device and tunneling References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The tun device is for user-land PPP to get services from the kernel. While user-land PPP handles the whole of the PPP protocol, it still needs stuff from the kernel. It's not for general network protocol tunneling, if that's what you were thinking. Riaan Kruger wrote: > Does anyone know where I can find more information (except for 'man tun') on > the tun device and how it can be used for tunneling? > ---------------------------------- > E-Mail: Riaan Kruger > Date: 24-Dec-99 > Time: 11:17:21 > ---------------------------------- > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message -- - Peter Schwenk - schwenk@voicenet.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Dec 24 17:30:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9528B15047 for ; Fri, 24 Dec 1999 17:30:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA38244 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sat, 25 Dec 1999 12:30:09 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from sue) Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 12:30:09 +1100 (EST) From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <199912250130.MAA38244@phoenix.welearn.com.au> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Newbies First Aid Kit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit (This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/) FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for help or answer how-to questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-CHARTERS) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected to show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "subscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message. Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org appears on the mailing list. _________________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Dec 25 19:24:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.kersur.net (mail.kersur.net [199.79.199.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B0A9150D1; Sat, 25 Dec 1999 19:24:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bcohen@bpecreative.com) Received: from mojomatic (nas-1-176.boston.navinet.net [216.67.1.176]) by mail.kersur.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA13737; Sat, 25 Dec 1999 22:24:08 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: From: "Bob Cohen" To: "freebsd-questions" , "Free-BSD Newbies Mailing List" Subject: Merry Christmas Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 22:25:16 -0500 Message-ID: <000501bf4f50$d4467af0$0100a8c0@mojomatic> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Merry Christmas all. Thanks to the folks who have answered my questions this year. Bob Cohen b.p.e.Creative Web Design and Production P.O. Box 192 508.384.6054 Sheldonville, MA 02093 bcohen@bpecreative.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message