From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 3 22:58:32 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9FB71065671 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 22:58:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mad@madpilot.net) Received: from megatron.madpilot.net (megatron.madpilot.net [88.149.173.206]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E8F78FC1C for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 22:58:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mad@madpilot.net) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by megatron.madpilot.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED5A3130C3A; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 00:58:30 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at madpilot.net Received: from megatron.madpilot.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (megatron.madpilot.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gEgAkhCFEMcX; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 00:58:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: from anakin.madpilot.net (anakin.madpilot.net [172.24.42.10]) by megatron.madpilot.net (Postfix) with ESMTP; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 00:58:28 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <48BF1694.9010108@madpilot.net> Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 00:58:28 +0200 From: Guido Falsi User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (X11/20080726) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dan Allen References: <35445338-D597-4FE2-996F-DEC7BE986741@airwired.net><48BEEB55.4050406@madpilot.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, Steven Hartland Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.1 Content X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 22:58:32 -0000 Dan Allen wrote: > > On 3 Sep 2008, at 3:11 PM, Steven Hartland wrote: > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Allen" >> >>> I too spend the time. I am thinking that for other people to want >>> to use FreeBSD they want something other than a command prompt. >>> They at least want a web browser out of the box. >> >> For some, but for others like ourselves here we really don't want all >> that bloat. One of the reasons we really like it is its perfect for >> server installs, no crap installed that you don't want :) > > Agreed, but if you go back to earlier versions of FreeBSD they gave you > an install option for just binaries, or binaries + sources, or binaries > + sources + X Windows. Last time I installed from CD (I have made some manual installs from livefs lately because this gives me more options for disk layouts(gjournal/gmirror for example) ) there was an option to install X and other ports. Never used it though. > > I am proposing something similar once again, but this time if would be > enough of X, a small window manager, and Firefox so a basic windowing > environment was able to be installed, from the CD, with a single > choice. I doubt many developers are really browsing the web all day > with lynx. > The choice is there I think, It just requires you to swap CDs. It's of little use to newbies though, you still need to customize rc.conf and other bits. Also, FreeBSD is still a little download compared to other systems. I would not like to download a multiGB distribution when what I need is just base system + sources, to build everything up from there. -- Guido Falsi