From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 16:55:42 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20D0C16A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:55:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.193]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 771AF43D2F for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:55:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from astrodog@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 69so645138wra for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 08:55:41 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=dNtihz7fiFThGO+sXWEtuN6GOehNDepBdfmO2ZqmEaKWbJK0371wnbG0l77pvT5Z4oTEgfer9r69fs2Feedzt03Es/OHbcQkmqg3iZsmbyEriMDrItbVc/FO9r6zr2D4rzcZX+c9XNopM274kWTSlqvgxcPGRMLwYGlZUDRZlOM= Received: by 10.54.32.13 with SMTP id f13mr148666wrf; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 08:55:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.40.69 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 08:55:40 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <2fd864e050214085579b3202a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 08:55:40 -0800 From: Astrodog To: Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg In-Reply-To: <4210915F.9060602@401.cx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <9C4E897FB284BF4DBC9C0DC42FB34617641AD9@mvaexch01.acuson.com> <4210915F.9060602@401.cx> cc: Johnson David cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SPAM: Score 4.0: Logo contest, and lessons from the XFree86 d ebacle X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Astrodog List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:55:42 -0000 On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 12:54:07 +0100, Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg wrote: > Johnson David wrote: > > From: Farid Hajji [mailto:farid.hajji@ob.kamp.net] > > > >>Remember what happened with the XFree86 project as they choose > >>to change their license terms without community support? Now > >>we have X.org and most relevant developers moved there, just > >>because XFree86's Mgmt failed to address the community's > >>concerns appropriately. > > > > > > This is completely different from the current controversy. XFree86 had been > > gaining a reputation for quite a while. The licensing switch was merely "the > > last straw". The logo issue is very different. Beastie is not going away, as > > has been mentioned by numerous posts and clarifications. The logo is > > something new, as FreeBSD does not currently have one (neither does OpenBSD > > or Linux, BTW). > > > > Linux has no logo? Nor OpenBSD? Really? > So what is that red hat I see on www.redhat.com? Or the gecko > looking thing on SuSe? Or the whirl thing on Debian? And the > blowfish over at www.openbsd.org? Mandrake seems to have a yellow > star with a blue tail somehow associated to almost everything it > does? > If all of the above mentioned isnt logos, then I sure as hell > dont know what a logo is. > > The daemon is to BSD what the penguin is to linux. All of the > linux distributions have grasped this years ago and created logos > of their own, used individually or together with the penguin > without even the slightest problems. But look what happened when > someone suggested that maybe we should get a logo too. A never > ending flamefest on every mailinglist! > We may have better software then the penguin people, but when it > comes to marketing they beat the shit out of us. > Lets face it. FreeBSD is so far behind *everything* when it comes > to marketing its not even funny. > > -- > R > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > I would like to point out that Turbo-Linux, BeOS, and OS/2, are all currently marketed worse than FreeBSD. ;)