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Date:      Mon, 08 Sep 1997 16:00:34 +1000
From:      Mike Smith <mike@smith.net.au>
To:        Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.com>
Cc:        Mike Smith <mike@smith.net.au>, Simon Shapiro <Shimon@i-connect.net>, FreeBSD Chat <chat@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: lousy disk perf. under cpu load (was IDE vs SCSI) 
Message-ID:  <199709080600.QAA01679@word.smith.net.au>
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 08 Sep 1997 15:18:23 %2B0930." <19970908151823.35891@lemis.com> 

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> >>> However, Simon is close; the ESMD spec allows for a data clock of 25MHz
> >>> (the data separator is on the disk, not the controller, IIRC).
> >>
> >> Depends on the drive.
> >
> > What "depends" on the drive? 
> 
> The location of the data separator.  Thinking about it, though, I'm
> not sure I remember correctly.  I was pretty sure we only had one read
> data and one write data line, but I could have been wrong.  Those
> cables were about .75" thick.

No, you're correct.  The ESMD interface looks a lot like the ESDI 
interface (no surprises there, really); there's only one data line in 
each direction, and the separator is on the drive.

> > The ESMD spec lays out the maximum clock rate for the data, and the
> > separator has to be on the drive if you're going to claim to be
> > ESMD.
> 
> Well, I'm not even sure if the 3330 is ESMD.  We called it SMD
> (Storage Module Drive).  What does the E mean?  Extended?  When did it
> come out?

IIRC, SMD maxed out at 10 or 15MHz.  ESMD defined some more commands 
and supported increased data rates; I recall both 20 and 25MHz drives.

> > I've had blood out of similar units on my hands (and blood out of my
> > hands on similar units 8) and I get the distinct impression that
> > multiple-head read activity was the norm.
> 
> They may have been in the environment you're talking about.  They
> weren't at Tandem, and I'd guess that any multi-head stuff didn't come
> until the mid-80s.

Hmm.  I confess that units prior to the late 70's would have been 
destroyed before I was old enough to understand their workings well, 
let alone remember them.

> > Sure.  I think your earlier point about the basic mechanical
> > limitations is quite valid though; there's a basic restriction inherent
> > in having to fling the head assembly around.  Still...
> 
> Sure.  In fact, I'm astounded how much disk drives have improved in
> the last 15 years.  In 1982, Tandem introduced a 540 MB CDC SMD disk
> drive, the disk drive for gluttons.  It was a heap of shit.  It

Heh.  I think this was the ancestor to the 515MB units that I remember 
so fondly.  Did it make "whale noises" as part of its self-test?

> that, we went to little 8" Fujitsus).  Try and find a new production
> disk drive *anywhere* with only 540 MB, 30 ms positioning, 800 kB/sec
> transfer rate nowadays.  By comparison, even the shittiest IDE drives
> are a dream.

Sounds like a Zip drive. 8)

mike





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