From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat May 5 20:01:13 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AABFFB885B for ; Sat, 5 May 2018 20:01:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E976077D7D for ; Sat, 5 May 2018 20:01:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id A3B55FB8859; Sat, 5 May 2018 20:01:12 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66A48FB8858 for ; Sat, 5 May 2018 20:01:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from cosmo.uchicago.edu (cosmo.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.71]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1499377C70 for ; Sat, 5 May 2018 20:01:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: by cosmo.uchicago.edu (Postfix, from userid 48) id 80D65CB8D25; Sat, 5 May 2018 15:01:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 177.237.78.100 (SquirrelMail authenticated user valeri) by cosmo.uchicago.edu with HTTP; Sat, 5 May 2018 15:01:05 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <56589.177.237.78.100.1525550465.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: <576B9BAE27C0E4EC5E3A1309@Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local> References: <576B9BAE27C0E4EC5E3A1309@Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local> Date: Sat, 5 May 2018 15:01:05 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Looking for wiki software From: "Valeri Galtsev" To: "Paul Schmehl" Cc: "Chris Hill" , "FreeBSD Questions List" Reply-To: galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8-5.el5.centos.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 May 2018 20:01:13 -0000 On Sat, May 5, 2018 2:30 pm, Paul Schmehl wrote: > --On May 5, 2018 at 6:53:00 AM -0400 Chris Hill > wrote: > >> Hello list, >> >> I'm looking for advice and opinions on wiki software. This would be for >> use by a small business group, probably not more than 25 or so users in >> total. The idea is that each user would contribute material on subjects >> in which he is "expert." Eventually we end up with solid documentation >> of >> our processes and our homegrown software, and then things don't go to >> hell as much the next time someone is nearly killed in an accident. >> >> I have a reasonably decent machine on which to run this, but still it >> would be nice if the solution were, for example, not too heavy on the >> build- and run-dependencies. >> >> Other nice-to-haves: >> >> . Easy user management, ideally with self-signup >> . Use with http server of my choice, i.e. server-agnostic >> . TLS supported >> >> I'd be grateful for any suggestions, or for stories of good or bad >> experiences. > > Unless you have someone to manage it who is very technically astute, I > would NOT recommend mediawiki. It is written by programmers for > programmers, and requires a great deal of commandline work to get it > working right. If your admin can't read code, stay away from mediawiki. > I strongly disagree. Mediawiki is quite simple to set up, web based script does all for you. Also, it is decently secure architectured. And there is absolutely no need to look into the code. I have more than a dozen of mediawiki instances on the servers I maintain. > I haven't used it, but looked at it in some detail, and I would recommend > docuwiki. For the size project you're considering, it's probably ideal. And I disageree again. I do not run docuwiki, but I looked in detail into a couple of docuwiki intallations when I inherited support of couple of servers. I quite disliked what I saw, it looked like a mess to me even though its base is quite trivial, and all your data are in plain files. All in all, security wise to maintain docuwiki is sysadmin's nightmare IMHO. As you can guess, I migrated docuwikis I inherited to mediawikis, even though it required some effort to convince wiki owners. My advise would be: take few minutes more, set up mariadb, mysql or postgresql (the last is what I usually use), install mediawiki, subscribe to mediawiki mail list so you know when there is critical update, which are released occasionally. Valeri > > Paul Schmehl, Retired > As if it wasn't already obvious, my opinions > are my own and not those of my employer. > ******************************************* > "It is as useless to argue with those who have > renounced the use of reason as to administer > medication to the dead." Thomas Jefferson > "There are some ideas so wrong that only a very > intelligent person could believe in them." George Orwell > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++