From owner-freebsd-current Mon Mar 17 23:13:23 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B744237B401 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 23:13:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.soaustin.net (mail.soaustin.net [207.200.4.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FF3A43F93 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 23:13:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: from lonesome.lonesome.com (cs242746-11.austin.rr.com [24.27.46.11]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.soaustin.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BEC814352; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 01:13:17 -0600 (CST) From: Mark Linimon Organization: Lonesome Dove Computing Services To: "Poul-Henning Kamp" Subject: Re: Anyone working on fsck? Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 01:15:59 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <47572.1047968636@critter.freebsd.dk> In-Reply-To: <47572.1047968636@critter.freebsd.dk> Cc: current@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200303180115.59400.linimon@lonesome.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I'll stop as soon as KSE is finished, fair ? I'm very disappointed in this response. Poul, everything else I've read from you to date has been reasonable except for this posting. I would think that you, yourself, should be especially sensitive to criticism of unfinished projects. Things such as KSE, SMP, and GEOM itself are each huge projects that require a great deal of perserverance over a long period of time to reach a state where in not just the majority of cases, but even in all the hard-to-get-to edge cases, the bugs and gotchas are put to rest. Each just affects too many areas of the system, and too many users; and too many changes in various areas of the system are interrelated. The QA involved is difficult enough in and of its own without personal dissention. Unlike the ports (where I generally work), I well understand that it is often difficult to work on kernel problems in isolation from work on other problems. Large undertakings such as these are areas where the "many eyes" development paradigm is stressed to its maximum. These are the areas where cooperation and collegiality are the most needed to overcome the significant intrinsic technical hurdles. And this is exactly the area where I believe you, in the above posting, have let the project down. But it's your personal reputation, not mine, that is at stake here. If this is the way you wish to have yourself represented in public, it's not my problem, but your own. I just wish you had reached for the delete key before sending this post. Mark Linimon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message