From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Apr 21 18:13:01 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA9DD2B388A for ; Tue, 21 Apr 2020 18:13:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.131]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 496BWH6j3Bz3Jjm for ; Tue, 21 Apr 2020 18:12:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([94.222.27.149]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue011 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MAwoL-1jXFqv1GnJ-00BMZT; Tue, 21 Apr 2020 20:12:44 +0200 Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 20:12:39 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Paul Pathiakis Cc: Robert Huff , FreeBSD , "@lbutlr" Subject: Re: Wayland on FreeBSD Message-Id: <20200421201239.13ba81cb.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <866951718.416132.1587490981371@mail.yahoo.com> References: <5058973.kMyvyFPq5o@amos> <20200421150741.28dd6309.freebsd@edvax.de> <24223.11679.688616.192643@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <866951718.416132.1587490981371@mail.yahoo.com> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:Wfhs4fP9J0fCh7v8KRHcWMIitO/K1e2uNC+OSDr3qX9ZnRk9Xbz OM13pipZfVM0Nj4ep91Ej2uQ2nQOt4eZwvStSOUnuJVwcrjazpscZXm9FlNryD4q7MSwzwN milCqvAFqoBzawqvCOmKOiwrX02aZVWkIcJJhBPO+Tr9kXgPwAysutI8jwg+2YpzA6Ww6xl 9tOcMx2X8hROiz23llf5w== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:JKhOXID6kIk=:ykqjoJ6/qa4djAADSy8hxd QODkZh+oacyfPJ62QrHcqj9HA7VzL/mEmGH3b/G8F274+dc/Unj38L9S38BeI3thZm2ItqfFd ELlWIis318i3aoR5Q61E+tRZKH4sPkq+AIIjb2pGnmXB+ky7o4KPD62eMGXA8KrsnvhUN9Iat e6oB/n5Z8rMeCNgj95emxt3ctc9bKrKE5DMK2ET+ABEwLqjgFiPkd30Jx5UoNHp325+5FGS9V LE45ksp61DS4UJdiB4p/zZCryA+bMD3yslP5RmjEWx8pUezrsL7o0/gAq/C+IaastRv0tDG85 lMYP6yvVKK8LpuL6yJMxwOWeE7kxF1ifK9V7rJ/U4Olyjk3DRJzT2yc+1IO7BeyhdlukhrsS9 w5WyesJ8EwxjAvwrlC9yhVNL6gPDea0olM5J1O998eqlc4LMCx7N9W1EyEyUBYimIzVk07xsC sT9QFcY4l+x3i0XXfVSdFVepDIJLtAv7um7+WSw+8afsW4VqUF+fMCK4yYOndQwGUt+Rkoy+A +IJU70jL04ZjMrysC4ICxOMzEe92FuQGeMMbaAv8kQYtfx1ucu8mOohWLzf22X2WS5oKWio2Q G5bjgV8terhaoTPqfs/cdBlNFakBL40Bs6y9PIuRl1KPeeOgmDckFkX7YWJxPjTytk9YamSv1 Yp4wWwJgcllmjioh12y1H+OnEhQkQQByGUrTPdUY16+OjCDI0twc+yQFtUBMfaxxTI9EHnV8o VLXf02TOBk0p2x66g/NAKvNihRfjlufxceq0oZuyIsa6E5g/ONFkhmggDbJAU1jAHjqmGB+8B s1JGt3jtAkStZt1rCGcrKalNSvfFPZXKldBp1GFCm3ezVKVlb+iMMhrdBSD3LuJtSSD22df X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 496BWH6j3Bz3Jjm X-Spamd-Bar: ++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@edvax.de has no SPF policy when checking 212.227.126.131) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@edvax.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [4.63 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[yahoo.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[149.27.222.94.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.11]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.82)[0.819,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[0.999,0]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[131.126.227.212.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; IP_SCORE(0.41)[ip: (1.21), ipnet: 212.227.0.0/16(-1.20), asn: 8560(2.08), country: DE(-0.02)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 18:13:01 -0000 On Tue, 21 Apr 2020 17:43:01 +0000 (UTC), Paul Pathiakis wrote: > :D=A0 I love it when I see reactions to problems like this on FreeBSD...= . :D Let's just imagine Wayland on FreeBSD + Enlightenment to become a FreeBSD-native (!) desktop environment with GUI integreation for OS configuration and control... :-) Yes, I know, this can (partially) be done with Xfce, Gnome, KDE, Lxde, but more or less, that is fighting Linuxisms and still being stuck with stuff that has been abandoned in Linux world many years ago (think about HAL and DBus). The degree of incompatibility could be increasing if the modern development of desktop environments will concentrate on Linux as the target, and on FreeBSD, you can only get 3/4 of what's technically possible. > Personally, I see a need for an alternative weighing though.=A0 > There are a HUGE amount of apps that make use of X. And if it's not a desktop enviroment being incompatible, it might be one of the targeted applications that relies on an infrastructure that only Linux can provide. > Don't get me wrong, I believe X is archaic and has been patched > constantly to 'enhance' functionality or close security issues > and it should be replaced. Just think about the problematic situation of drivers. If you have been using X before it became X.org, i. e., when it was called XFree86, you probably know that in order to get an ATI graphics card with full 3D support all you needed to install was the ati driver package. Now think about all the moving parts involved on many fronts: OS, X.org, additional driver... > However, all functionality needs to stay intact and I > would think that there could be some type of shim that > allows existing programs to be compiled as they always > have for X and it just translates to Wayland's APIs.=A0 Something similar is possible (or at least has been possible) on Mac OS X where you could run regular X programs if you had X installed (along the graphics system that comes with Mac OS X). --=20 Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...