From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 4 13:22:56 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12B9F16A4CE for ; Wed, 4 May 2005 13:22:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from orb.pobox.com (orb.pobox.com [207.8.226.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA78D43D5D for ; Wed, 4 May 2005 13:22:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from b.candler@pobox.com) Received: from orb (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by orb.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A7D18B7; Wed, 4 May 2005 09:22:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from billdog.local.linnet.org (dsl-212-74-113-65.access.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.113.65]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by orb.sasl.smtp.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 458FC8D; Wed, 4 May 2005 09:22:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brian by billdog.local.linnet.org with local (Exim 4.43 (FreeBSD)) id 1DTJrZ-0000YW-Sy; Wed, 04 May 2005 14:24:29 +0100 Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 14:24:29 +0100 From: Brian Candler To: Bruce M Simpson Message-ID: <20050504132429.GA2105@uk.tiscali.com> References: <6.1.0.6.2.20050427001118.0327cd50@cobalt.antimatter.net> <52515.216.177.243.42.1114586501.localmail@webmail.dnswatch.com> <61359.216.177.243.35.1114722481.localmail@webmail.dnswatch.com> <20050429105416.GA94049@wedge.madpilot.net> <20050502195456.GA1226@uk.tiscali.com> <17015.43023.924186.422635@roam.psg.com> <20050504094000.GA1143@uk.tiscali.com> <20050504113817.GD22956@empiric.icir.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050504113817.GD22956@empiric.icir.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: boot banner project X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 13:22:56 -0000 On Wed, May 04, 2005 at 12:38:18PM +0100, Bruce M Simpson wrote: > On Wed, May 04, 2005 at 10:40:00AM +0100, Brian Candler wrote: > > Now the only essential package to install is a POSIX shell with interactive > > command history - i.e. "bash" - and it looks like /bin/sh has now gained > > that capability too, although sadly not tab-completion. > > tcsh is in the base system and has that capability. Except: (1) it's not enabled by default (you need "set autolist", which I only discovered recently) (2) it's not a POSIX shell. For me, (2) is serious. I don't want to use a different syntax for redirecting I/O, setting environment variables and looping over arguments, just to get tab-completion. I have done quite a lot of teaching of FreeBSD to newbies (both Unix newbies and ex-Linux users). It's a source of frustration that root's shell is different to a normal user's shell, and also that root's shell is not POSIX. Most Linux distributions solve this simply by using bash for both. Now that /bin/sh has command history, I'd definitely vote for that to be made the default shell for root in FreeBSD-6, and then csh can be left to die in peace as it should have done years ago :-) Regards, Brian.