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From: Kevin Day <toasty@home.dragondata.com>
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Subject: Re: solid NFS patch #6 avail for -current - need testers files)
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> > 
> > To sum it all up is there any difference between the branches?
> 
> Yes.  We hope that people like you will help us by participating in the 
> testing of potential releases _before_ they go out as releases, not 
> _afterwards_.
> 
> Sitting around doing nothing and then complaining after the fact 
> doesn't help anyone, least of all yourself.
> 

This isn't meant in a bad way, but let me share with you my experiences.

Before 3.0 was released, I said several times "Hey, NFS got a lot worse on
-CURRENT. Is anyone looking at this?" and got several replies of "Duh, this
is -CURRENT. Don't whine about it. If you're trying to use this in a
production environment, you're crazy."

After 3.0 was released, I said "Hey, 3.0 got released, and NFS was still
broken", to which I got "Why didn't you bug us about this before the
release?" and/or "Why didn't you test this before release?"

I understand NFS is a 'special' problem, but for those of us not in the
trenches coding, I think the '3-level' system would be better. -CURRENT for
those who are coding, -BETA for people like me to test things and bring up
what broke, and -RELEASE for everyone else.

I honestly don't know when to bring up things like that, now. :)

Kevin


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