From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Sep 9 19:01:30 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45DC6BD4F69 for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2016 19:01:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brandon.wandersee@gmail.com) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (unknown [127.0.1.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A329E87 for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2016 19:01:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brandon.wandersee@gmail.com) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 29932BD4F68; Fri, 9 Sep 2016 19:01:30 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29356BD4F67 for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2016 19:01:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brandon.wandersee@gmail.com) Received: from mail-it0-f51.google.com (mail-it0-f51.google.com [209.85.214.51]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 011BAE86 for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2016 19:01:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brandon.wandersee@gmail.com) Received: by mail-it0-f51.google.com with SMTP id i184so27747117itf.1 for ; Fri, 09 Sep 2016 12:01:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:references:user-agent:from:to:cc:subject :in-reply-to:date:message-id:mime-version; bh=6ySccMRkl5RA1YL9cgwYEpaST66/2XC3VbZ8k+g7b6A=; b=fnkW3fUOzMhN2iTI+HbJR50RWHUhCmqyVlgGzPzleQREr5Phj3783wASZte0ZHsvGp iF6z8DJRhKRKOhyapy7/Cx0pJwcXLrvIV9SDUsGou9mUnKJALKtXgvZMEfGo5OeKYcqZ EgvJpqKqUYYLt1ttJi1oEw3PBWrQMsg6GRbvHTYh69o5D85Tj/fCxo5EEfpN/xaQkEF4 ADAxa0ZkDoKKqBvmfI+neVqYv1Wr8HStpGMHb3KIPo1Si1LYX1VlOP+4N2mouw+hn6cX Zwc+kqF7lsW4NtoWS7YzJuEGOGj/p1V2RBTXmniRoXxykRtrhTphcluibuSoJ/USkVRc fj+Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AE9vXwMkKEyzrPBTNKOU8q2h/ivo+BGlZZfTpGTmoXdvPexTmaRh0zbiW3m282bgNkJhyg== X-Received: by 10.157.60.151 with SMTP id z23mr6998094otc.126.1473447683001; Fri, 09 Sep 2016 12:01:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from WorkBox.Home.gmail.com (174-30-240-135.mpls.qwest.net. [174.30.240.135]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id u185sm2101431itc.3.2016.09.09.12.01.21 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Fri, 09 Sep 2016 12:01:21 -0700 (PDT) References: User-agent: mu4e 0.9.16; emacs 24.5.1 From: Brandon J. Wandersee To: CK Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: X+webkit = Disgraceful In-reply-to: Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2016 14:01:24 -0500 Message-ID: <86lgz0rj7f.fsf@WorkBox.Home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2016 19:01:30 -0000 CK writes: > 250+ MB, 36+ hours of downloading, and I still > can't even view the WWW, graphically. It's just > fucking disgusting. In 1996, I didn't even have > a hard drive that big, and my kernel was about > 1/2 MB, RAM was 16MB, FreeBSD took about 16MB of > disk space, and I could install everything from a > bunch of floppies, and Xwindow + graphical browser > was just a minor addition - maybe a few MB at most. > And guess what? THE WEB DOESN'T LOOK ANY BETTER > TODAY THAN THEN (with the exception of server-side > font control - which - apparently, took a whole new > fucking language to fix (CSS) instead of a trivial > fix to the FONT SIZE attribute specification). I > guess I should say I am no fan of video or residential > high-speed access of the Internet - for without it, > we surely wouldn't have a mess like we have today > (I'd guess it's all porn+entertainment driven). If it makes you feel any better, FreeBSD and X themselves haven't bloated nearly as much over time as GNOME and the web have, so only some of what you've installed is garbage. :P I have to say I'm curious why you're installing GNOME, though, since you've already mentioned surf and certainly sound like a suckless.org evangelist. -- :: Brandon J. Wandersee :: brandon.wandersee@gmail.com :: -------------------------------------------------- :: 'The best design is as little design as possible.' :: --- Dieter Rams ----------------------------------