From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 14 17:21:49 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0858416A4CE for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:21:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rambo.401.cx (rambo.401.cx [80.65.205.166]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 011E843D2D for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:21:48 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from listsub@401.cx) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (rocky [192.168.200.2]) by rambo.401.cx (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1EHLgWk035973; Mon, 14 Feb 2005 18:21:43 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from listsub@401.cx) Message-ID: <4210DE89.5060003@401.cx> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 18:23:21 +0100 From: "Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Astrodog References: <9C4E897FB284BF4DBC9C0DC42FB34617641AD9@mvaexch01.acuson.com> <4210915F.9060602@401.cx> <2fd864e050214085579b3202a@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <2fd864e050214085579b3202a@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0506-1, 2005-02-11), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean cc: Johnson David cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SPAM: Score 4.0: Logo contest, and lessons from the XFree86 d ebacle X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:21:49 -0000 Astrodog wrote: > On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 12:54:07 +0100, Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg > wrote: > >>Johnson David wrote: >> >>>From: Farid Hajji [mailto:farid.hajji@ob.kamp.net] >>> >>> >>>>Remember what happened with the XFree86 project as they choose >>>>to change their license terms without community support? Now >>>>we have X.org and most relevant developers moved there, just >>>>because XFree86's Mgmt failed to address the community's >>>>concerns appropriately. >>> >>> >>>This is completely different from the current controversy. XFree86 had been >>>gaining a reputation for quite a while. The licensing switch was merely "the >>>last straw". The logo issue is very different. Beastie is not going away, as >>>has been mentioned by numerous posts and clarifications. The logo is >>>something new, as FreeBSD does not currently have one (neither does OpenBSD >>>or Linux, BTW). >>> >> >>Linux has no logo? Nor OpenBSD? Really? >>So what is that red hat I see on www.redhat.com? Or the gecko >>looking thing on SuSe? Or the whirl thing on Debian? And the >>blowfish over at www.openbsd.org? Mandrake seems to have a yellow >>star with a blue tail somehow associated to almost everything it >>does? >>If all of the above mentioned isnt logos, then I sure as hell >>dont know what a logo is. >> >>The daemon is to BSD what the penguin is to linux. All of the >>linux distributions have grasped this years ago and created logos >>of their own, used individually or together with the penguin >>without even the slightest problems. But look what happened when >>someone suggested that maybe we should get a logo too. A never >>ending flamefest on every mailinglist! >>We may have better software then the penguin people, but when it >>comes to marketing they beat the shit out of us. >>Lets face it. FreeBSD is so far behind *everything* when it comes >>to marketing its not even funny. >> >>-- >>R > > I would like to point out that Turbo-Linux, BeOS, and OS/2, are all > currently marketed worse than FreeBSD. ;) And afaik, both BeOS and OS/2 are dead. None of them died because of inferior quality or lack of innovation. -- R