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Date:      Sat, 11 Apr 1998 23:24:25 -0500 (CDT)
From:      Frank Pawlak <fpawlak@execpc.com>
To:        jktheowl@bga.com
Cc:        grog@lemis.com, lfloyd@sonic.net, chat@FreeBSD.ORG, supporters@nanyang-computer.com
Subject:   Re: The issue of support
Message-ID:  <199804120424.XAA22223@darkstar.connect.com>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.3.95q.980411214121.256L-100000@barnowl>

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The very point that I tried to make yesterday, but here it is stated
more elegantly.
Frank

On 11 Apr, John Kenagy wrote:
> 
> 
> On Sun, 12 Apr 1998, Greg Lehey wrote:
> 
>> On Sat, 11 April 1998 at  9:02:10 -0700, L. Floyd wrote:
>> > I work for an environmental consulting firm that mainly uses PCs (Win
>> > 3.x and Win95) hooked to an NT server using Banyan.  We have about 1,000
>> > employees nationwide tied together by a WAN.  The other day I was
>> > talking to one of the IS support people about alternative OSs.  I was
>> > astonished (at first) to hear that our Corp IS folks would never
>> > consider using an operating system that is free.  They feel better about
>> > spending money for the product, especially if it has good support.  They
>> > are savy enough or experienced enough to figure out problems on their
>> > own.
>> >
>> > So, in the case of FreeBSD, "support" may invite more corporate users to
>> > consider using it.... perhaps.
>> >
>> > (Of course I did mention that there was massive support via the
>> > Internet, but that didn't fly.)
>> 
>> You may have missed the announcement I sent out yesterday.  I've set
>> up a mailing list to discuss the matter of commercial support at
>> supporters@nanyang-computer.com.  If you want to sign up, send mail to
>> majordomo@nanyang-computer.com with 'subscribe supporters' in the body
>> of the message.
>> 
>> You raise an interesting point: should a commercially supported
>> version of FreeBSD cost money (not much, but enough)?  How about
>> 'FeeBSD'?
>> 
>> Greg
> 
> I think that $ = legitimacy in some mind sets. I had a client that paid
> $250/month retainer for priority attention. We *still* billed them the
> regular rate for service. They also paid about nine thousand dollars for
> comm gear so we could get into their system. They never could get the
> tempo of "post then purge...";-)
> 
> Joking aside, they felt better about getting priority service. If the
> system was down they could not invoice. That meant out of business.
> 
> I think the commercial support alternative is essential for any 
> penetration in the business world. The other ingredient is the vendor.
> "Free" probably means "gone" to a corporation. If the core team,
> or volunteers on the current lists don't want to don suits and ties,
> then some means of certifying a "reseller" needs to exist.
> 
> That does not mean that I can't sell a FreeBSD system or that my
> customers or I can't give it away. I just don't get the Seal of Approval.
> A serialized logo if you will.
> 
> It works like this. I demonstrate suit wearing, pie charting, etc.
> (You can see my mind set... I used to do this!?) I get a seal.
> Corporate types feel good about paying me money for systems. I also
> sell service contract with your World Wide Service, Inc.
> 
> What the corporation is paying for is their lifeblood. They need a
> face to call that night before payroll is to print or the billing
> needs to go out. It isn't the operating system at all. It is the person
> that sold it to them. They need to get to you when they need help.
> 
> You as a provider have to have the means of supporting the customer.
> That means you have to be in business and have an income. Business
> customers are not stupid. They know they must give you money or you
> will not be there to help them when they need it. Free = not there.
> 
> I think, Greg, that your suggestion is a must, in some form.
> 
> OK I'm done. Happy Easter.
> 
> John
> 
> 
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